/vr/ - Retro Games

Reminder that D4 will be 1st person view

>making another general thread after the last one got moved

At least you didn't call it a general this time.

Been a while. Sup fags. Gonna jump into the game and see if my burnout is gone. New bowzon I think.

So... Tal's Rasha's Guardianship, Azurewrath, and Adjudication? Let's see...

>>5903973
FUCC

>>5903973
So colorful, it must be christmas.

So, this happened yesterday...

>>5904081
And this happened today.

>>5904082
Tomorrow we make Last Wish.

>tfw second of this and not a first of what >>5903973 got

noooooo ;_;

>>5904542
Yeah, I was like you until I got it. Now only Caduceus and Paragon remain from sets.

Today I got jack shit!

>>5906416
based

>>5906421
Well, still 4 more hours of today.

i got griswold head and body on the same Ancient Tunnels run, two days ago.
havent gotten anything since though.

>buy Diablo 1 on GOG
>install and make character
>oh shit this is good
>die
>get sent back to main menu, character is gone for good
Was it always like this? I played the PSX version before and I don't think it had permadeath.

>>5904542
Dude...

>>5907428
Did you forget to save your game?

>got a heap of characters around the early-mid lvl 80s
>they've all completed Hell, use a few of them to farm various areas
>decide I wanna try lvl one to 93 or 95
>look up diablo 2 exp guides/tutorials/videos online
>half all say "lol just liek leech players 8 Hell Baal runs from lv40+"
>the other half assume you're lv98 already and trying to get to lv99
guess I'll just keep farming lv85 areas/Chaos/Baal forever then was thinking some autistic mofos out there would've done more calculated shit like... mob types or mob density for maximum exp/hour, rather than just "lmao leech baal runs"

>>5908116
You won't farm forever. 95 is a two weeks farming lvl 85 areas.
>>5908074
It's lvl 94 Amazon, and I'm hundred runs or so from 95. Doing CS and WSK clears, throw in some pit and ancient tunnels.

>>5908074
Fuck you. You're the same dude that keeps getting griffon's too. Fucking bitch.

>>5907428
>click 1000000 times
>good

>>5908504
I'll keep you posted.

>>5908107
I, uh, thought it auto saved. It's been a while.

damn, /vr/ is so fast now

>>5910421
/v/ kiddies have cottoned on. This board is doomed.

Also, I found Griswolds Redemption last night. Yay me

>>5910486
So Sorc, Barb and Necro sets are viable. Are there any use for others? I'd like to play builds based on class sets.

I know Aldur's suck. Watched some video where guy spend fortune to make it work decent in Hell. What for Mavinas and Griswolds?

So anyone able to explain how "Defense vs missiles" works?
I see it on a lot of decent gear but to me only +50 or +200 def vs missiles seems stupid, pointless and doesn't do anything.
Is it like "Damage Reduced by X" where it LOOKS bad but when decently stacked up it's actually pretty effective under the hood?
I feel like archers and ranged attackers in Diablo 2 literally never miss.

>>5910521
I've seen Mavina's used in Hybrid bow/javelin amazon builds and i've heard Gris can be useful for a smiter build.
I never thought of Aldur's sucking though, prob just depends how you play druid. I use the Aldur's boots on a lot of classes because of the huge fire res it gives.
I feel like, if anything, Trang's set for Necro is the one that gets ripped off because people only generally use the hands for the FCR and ignore the rest.

FUCK

>>5910981
YES

>>5910982
>>5910981
Fuck off lucky faggot...

>>5910981
>>5910982
Something fishy about you.

should I download Blizzards version of Diablo 2 or just pirate a copy online? Whats the best version for singleplayer?

>>5911525
they're all the same.
the only reason you'd want a legit version of Diablo 2 from the blizzard website is if you wanted to play on bot.net
just pirate a copy, patch it to 1.13c and install the plugy stash mod.

>log in
>magic find for 40min
>find basically nothing
>have never found a rune higher than Pul in the 20 years playing this game either
>get burnt out
>"i guess I'll play something else"
>log off
>look at my desktop
>check facebook, youtube, 4chan
>log back into Diablo 2 20min later
>repeat forever
FUCK

>>5912041
Quitters get nothing. If you can't farm at least 6 hours straight then you may aswell not bother desu familia

>>5912064
i usually go until I get either nothing but blues for 10 runs in a row, or I die from some bullshit like those nearly-invisible mini ooga-booga dudes that one-shot you for no reason.
not to mention Gloams.
Fuck Gloams

Also I've done probably 100 or 200 LK runs at this point and havent got anything other than 1 skiller grand charm and a couple of Lem runes.

>>5912041
>have never found a rune higher than Pul in the 20 years playing this game either

You should kill yourself desu.

>>5912178
Skip dolls and gloams. But seriously if you wanna find stuff you gotta be prepared to put the time in because all it is. Luck will only get you some of the way. You want a ber rune and a wraith has 1 in a million chance of dropping it, be prepared to kill a million of them, at least.

>>5912178
Max your lightning res and put on either wisp projector or tgods. Gloams cant do shit. As for pygmy dudes, I forgot what they do since I decoy/lighning fury them before they can get close.
>>5911514
Seethe. Stop watching d2 youtubers, its reason why you cant get shit.

>>5912041
>have never found a rune higher than Pul in the 20 years playing this game either
So you're saying you spent the last 20 years playing this game incredibly inefficiently. You're retarded and don't deserve anything higher than a fucking El Rune.

>>5912041
Play 1.13 and get high runes plenty. I play for 5 months and managed to build all popular runewords. Only thing left is BotD and only because I miss second Cham or Zod.

>>5912315
>its reason why you cant get shit

Or maybe he doens't use dropmods like you.

my resistances suck. Also - playing unmodded SP, so no anni/torch/infinity.

Feels good to finally make bramble though. +50% poison damage bumps my plague javelin to 36k with barb shouts.

also, I feel like I've collected enough gear to start making a fireclaws/maul druid.

>>5913484
>unmodded sp
based

>>5913734
thank you. I have a second computer, though, so at least i can move gear between my chars (which is how my level 1 druid already has a stash full of gear, including IK maul, 6 shael phase blade, jalal, dracul, enigma, coh, SS, sandstorm treks, and raven, before setting foot outside the rogue encampment - i really should start playing him, but I was busy farming cows and chaos sanctuary with my javazon).

>>5908504
he uses a drop mod

Good morning /vr/ietnam!

>>5914731
Good morning, dropmod user!

>>5914787
git gud

>>5914814
Nigger don't make me pull out my pindlezerker. I will literally poopsock pindle for 24 hours and shit on your fake drops.

>>5914861
stay buttmad jelly

>>5914872
>jelly of fake drops
nah

>>5915037
juicy white hot seethe

>>5915037
>>5915084
>arguing over a 20 year old game on a Mongolian throat singing forum

Well done, gents. Can we get back on topic now? Like, what is your favourite build to play. Doesn't need to be a cookie-cutter, blowing through players 8 infinity whatever, as long as you have fun playing it.

>>5901967 is there any way to get plug wire to work with median XL?

>>5908116
The optimal thing to do for leveling is highly character-specific. Also, the reason that there isn't much written about what to do before level 98 is that getting to 95, although it takes quite a long time, is a drop in the bucket. Indeed, at level 96 you're less than 10% of the way there.

So what we're being asked to believe here is that a person, in only a few hours of gameplay, found two jahs, a CoA, tal's armor (twice!), and a whole bunch of other crap.

I'm not buying it, especially since the guy's response is "lol farm more". My ssf 95 javazon has found zero jahs in her existence, and you expect me to believe you found two in a few hours (plus all the other crap) and that you think that that's normal?

Nope.

>>5915084
Whatever helps you sleep at night, dropmod user.

>>5902124
>implying DOOM isn't doing the exact same shit

>>5901967
Lots of good memories with this game. It's slightly an inspiration for a Godot adventure game I am working on. The monastery in act 1 really fascinated me. I'd never heard the word "cloister" before it got me to look it up.

>>5915608
>>5915751
all this salt while you could farm instead. i'll keep you posted when third griffon drops, be sure.

OH SHIT

>>5915972
Will the +1 skill add to my mercs auras?

Wtf man. I guess you can believe that other guy now.

>>5916004

>>5915608
Nah it's a drop mod. As if it wasn't already obvious, the set ammy / tal plate / unique phase drop all at once was icing on the cake, just ignore it

>>5915608
You're either playing wrong version or unlucky as fuck.

>>5915608
>>5916261
rofl it's impossible to cope harder than this i love it!

here, have my latest drop. why can't i hold all these griswold's valors (already have 4)?

>>5915978
Yes, + to all skills does boost, as far as I'm aware.
Even like.. the + fire skills sword on a Fire Act 3 merc will boost as far as I'm aware.

>>5916323
Yeah thanks, but I looked it up myself in the meanwhile. Apparently it only works on the mercs own aura, not any he gets through items.
Good enough for me, I was looking for a mery armor anyway.

>>5916530
why not eth bug a kraken shell or something and throw a smoke or stone runeword in there?

>>5915127
Energy Shield Sorc is my favorite. Screw vitality.

Check out my sick drops guys (disclaimer: I am not using a drop mod, unlike the other guy. Screenshot depicts real drops).

>>5915972
You may want to avoid using the widescreen mod as it a) forces you to play an outdated patch version where the rune drop rates aren't very good and b) breaks the AI by allowing you to attack enemies before they "see" you.

>>5915898
I'm not salty. It's remedial to cheat at Diablo 2; if I wanted to do it I would. However, it takes all of the fun out of the game.

Is it possible your drops are legit? Sure. Stranger things have certainly happened. But the game is nearly 20 years old and we have plenty of data, so we can say with certainty that there are only a couple of possibilities here:

1. You're on a run of extraordinary luck, the likes of which have seldom been seen, or
2. You're using modified drops.

Now, since you're a douchebag and you're acting like these results are typical for you, the odds are pretty good that it's the latter.

>>5916270
I mean it depends on how you do it but your typical level 95 character can expect to see exactly 0 HR drops outside of LK. It's relatively unusual to see two jahs by 95 and it's extremely unusual to see two jahs within hours of each other.

>>5916270
>not winning the lottery
>unlucky

pick one. Even with very high MF the odds for finding some stuff are super low. I'm not buying those drops either.

>>5916616
>I mean it depends on how you do it but your typical level 95 character can expect to see exactly 0 HR drops outside of LK. It's relatively unusual to see two jahs by 95 and it's extremely unusual to see two jahs within hours of each other.


I've been playing my javazon since december 2016, and though I have something like 3 enigmas now (on my druid, barb, and ass), and enough runes to make 2 more, the highest i've seen drop was a sur - the rest I got by farming the countess, and cows (for gems), and cubing everything, until I got enough to make the runewords I wanted.

I've had my sharre of good luck too, like dropping a Titan's on my very first NM Mef kill, or getting a perfect bramble roll on my second try (and the first one wasn't bad either at 44%).

I still haven't found any skillers, only dropped a second ravenfrost a few days ago, etc.

Showing off his "great drops" when he's clearly using a mod to make that happen is super-lame.

I'm level 95 and I've found
1 cham
1 sur
1 Lo
4 ohm
5 vex
2 gul

No LK

Rate me lucky/10

>>5916634
You've found zero skillers and you have three enigmas? Wow.

I have zero enigmas (I at one point had the runes to make one but made coh/other stuff instead; I'm on hc) but probably fifty skillers. Maybe more.

>>5916652
If you've spent a lot of time at trav, chaos or hell cows I'd say you're not especially lucky, but if you've been focused on leveling (or low-volume mf, like act bosses) then that starts to look luckier.

Overall though I'd say that's an above average yield for a 95 character that's never been to LK. I've done probably thousands of LK runs (but no other rune-heavy area) and my totals are, I think...

1 Cham
2 Sur
2 Lo
2 Ohm
1 Vex
3 Gul

All of those, except the cham and one of the ohms, were from LK. The vex was from a clickable, however, so even though it was from LK that was just sort of a happy accident.

>>5916671
if you spend a lot of time farming the countess (and cubing the runes), like 2 years on, and off, then you'd have more runes than charms.

Also took me a hell of a time to find +3java 20 ias gloves (bought from Anya).

>>5916712
I've only really farmed hell Andy, meph, pindle, the pit and AT. A little bit of hell cows.

Only 1000 LK runs and you got all that, nice. It definitely pays doing LK. I'm just not a fan personally, I'd rather spend my time chasing tyraels, dweb, mang songs etc. Running around popping chests for countless hours seems pretty soul destroying imo

>>5916756
No, not one thousand. Thousands. I wasn't counting, but I'd guess based on how long I did it for that I did around 4000 runs total.

LK is a slog, but my gear was quite poor and because I'm playing hardcore I didn't want to take any chances. While I had okay resists, I was not dr% capped and I was making a lot of gear sacrifices to achieve my resists. I also had no CTA, which of course made a huge difference.

I did LK long enough to get the runes to make a CoH and a CTA. It was mind-numbing. I completely understand people who do not like LK; I don't like it either, and now that my gear is decent I'll probably avoid it until I make the push for 99 (as I'll definitely need infinity to do that). Even then, I'm hoping to source at least one of the bers from somewhere other than LK because doing LK long enough to get two bers is a tall fucking order.

>>5916746
For sure. I probably got half of my skillers from LK, actually.

I was very lucky in that it didn't take me long to get 3/20s. It was one of the first good pieces of gear that I was able to obtain.

Titan's, on the other hand...

>>5916613
i've been experimenting with putting a point in Energy Shield lately because I heard the shield stops you from getting FHR/FBR locked when teleporting through dangerous areas

>>5916878
ES' relationship to hitstun is not complicated. In fact, it doesn't affect whether you go into hitstun at all except in that it reduces incoming damage.

There are basically two ways to get stunned in Diablo 2. The first way is by taking more than 1/12 of your health at once in damage. The second is by a skill (think urdars).

ES helps you with the first kind of stun because it reduces your incoming damage (the mana you lose doesn't count as "damage" here). However, it doesn't help you at all with the second kind of stun. This is important because if you're using CTA chances are you're not super concerned with the first kind of stun anyway since most enemies aren't going to hit you hard enough to crack the 1/12th threshold.

In short, you still need FHR for teleporting, even with ES.

>>5916616
No wonder your drops suck shit when you sport all max res on a fucking javazon. What is your mf, like 2%? Try 300 like I do.

Good morning /vr/ietnam!

>>5917124

not him, but still bullshit. 300 MF or not, those drops still have lottery-winning odds. An item that has a 0.0001% chance to drop, with 300MF will have a 0.0004% chance to drop. You could do a thousand runs and not see any, and you'd have us believe, that you're getting a high end drop every couple of hours.

>all these tards crying about some faggot either botting or being lucky
Who gives a fuck? It's really not THAT hard to get things if you're dedicated enough. I completed the entire grail including runewords solo in less than two years, with a build not suited to farming at all. There were many times I dropped a lot of exceptionally rare items within a short timeframe, runes especially.

>>5917202

it's not that it's difficult to get stuff if you're dedicated - hell, I got ~10 high-end runewords (enigma, coh, coa, bramble, hoto) "just" by farming hell countess + cows (for gems), though it took me over 2 years (figure 20-30 countess runs takes a couple of hours, yielding 40-60 runes, about a 3rd of that will be useful for cubing, ending up with ~5 "decent" runes after a day's work. Keep it up for a couple of weeks, and you'll start getting good runes, and after a couple of months, you'll be making runewords).

The main hurdle, when running the countess (even without enigma, to tele around the place like a madman, a run is only a 5-6 minutes, even slowing down to pop some elite packs) is getting regular (non-flawless) gems, since all the monsters tend to drop flawless ones, and the runes you tend to get from the countess usually require regular gems to cube (the useful ones, anyway), or even flawed gems. Fortunately, the cow level is a good source for that.

That's not the point. Main point here, is this faggot using a dropmod, and coming on here with his attention whoring "look at my awesome drops" shit. And if those drops aren't legit (which they arent), they aren't awesome at all.

>>5917208
Then just ignore him and stop replying. If they're fake and he gets no attention, he will go away. If they're real then he'll keep posting for a while.

anyway, here's my plague javazon. Pretty fun to play. Doesn't have the sheer, obliterating power of a full LF javazon, but in single player, without infinity, pore builds that focus on a single damage type are not really viable, since elemental immunity is rampant on hell difficulty.

Pros:
+ plague javelin only has 1 synergy, and requires 41 points to complete, including 1 prequisite skill, leaving you free to chose your backup plan - either CS/LF, or bows.
+ hybrid build doesn't get stuck on lightning-immune monsters
+ doesn't spam javelins like LF does, which is a godsend if you don't have replenishing javelins (like Titan's), and easier on mana.
+bramble is a lot easier to make, than enigma
+can get 35k+ damage with plague javelins easily. Cows drop in one javeling, just gotta wait for them to fall.

Cons:
- there are still double immune monsters - notably burning souls, which spawn in worldstone keep/throne, making baalruns a chore
- no enigma, so no teleport - have to run everywhere.

Still - even with fewer LF synergies, you can drop pindle without a fuss, and can pop a few LFs to take down lots of cows, and CS kills Diablo easy. Chaos Sanctuary in general is an easy farm, since storm casters get 1-shot by plague javelins (including the grand vizier and his pack) - only venom lord boss is of any concern, and not much at that.

>>5917230
also, forgot to add, that while bramble is indeed easier than enigma (RalOhmSurEth vs JahIthBer), the +%poison skill is a random value (25-50%), and getting a perfect one is a crapshoot, while you only ned to make enigma once, and you're good.

And you still may want enigma, for the +MF if you're running pindle, since he's poison-immune by default.

Is this a good base? What rw should I make?

>Trying Median XL
>Fucking ton of new recipes and things
I feel like first days of playing D2, shame the servers sometimes get laggy.

First hi-rune in 500 runs

>>5916574
I don't even have proper MF gear yet, my highest rune is a Lem.

>>5916616
>You may want to avoid using the widescreen mod as it a) forces you to play an outdated patch version
I'd play 1.13d anyway because of PlugY, or is there some well known PlugY for 1.14 that eluded me like that basemod?
>b) breaks the AI by allowing you to attack enemies before they "see" you
That's fine, I don't abuse it and there are enemies that shoot me to bits before I see them.

>>5917823
Second Mary, missing only Seraph to finish jewelry.

>>5915898
>y-you're just mad b-because I have a drop mod

nah

well I just had a string of drops - 3 uniques, and 2 greens in back to back cow runs - too bad they were all shit, only tal rasha's face was worth noting at all.

That, and I nearly gave myself a heart attack when I nearly killed the cow king.

>>5918174
Play PlugY, no worries about Cow King.

>>5918239
i play unmodded - that also means no ladder runewords

>>5918286
cringe

>>5918286
Thug life.

>>5918318
>>5918320

awwww, the poor little dropmod user is butthurt, how freaking cute.

This and Halaberd in same run, nice.

>>5918342
big yikes

>>5917873
that's what I'm saying, smoke, stone, treachery, duress are all great low lvl runeword body armors for a merc, or even for yourself.

>>5915523

Median XL Sigma is incompatible with PlugY and D2SE now.

>>5918370
fake, and gay

Alright let's roll for 50.

>>5918482
Not great not terrible.

>>5918485
Daym wrong ones, the new ones are worse.

>>5918491

>>5918609
Two facets few runs apart

>>5917124
So I only play hardcore. That means that I have to run max light and cold res so that with tgod's and raven frost I'm basically immune to lightning and cold. I also have to use SS because not running capped dr% means you're asking to die to a berserker/amp. I run 200 mf, which is reasonable because of a) the serious diminishing returns on mf and b) the fact that I have most of the uniques that I need. My fire and poison res being high are just sort of a happy accident, although I think it's a good idea to run 50+% fire res anyway.

Again, the more you post the more it becomes evident to anyone with experience that your drops are bullshit. 300 mf is actually pretty low, particularly on softcore, where 500+ is typical for grailers.

Also, you should use a might merc, not holy freeze. Holy freeze is for when you have bad gear.

>>5918753
>Also, you should use a might merc, not holy freeze. Holy freeze is for when you have bad gear.

are you seriously expecting that faggot to know what he's doing? I don't know what's more sad - that he's showing off his fake "awesome drops", or that he thinks we wouldn't notice.

>>5918784
I mean he's also using enigma on a javazon, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

>>5918786
eh, it's not that bad for pindle. I use bramble, because the +50% poison damage is worth a lot more than +2 skills, but pindle is poison immune, so might as well get the mf. Same with Diablo - I only use CS to make the kill, and he hardly gets a chance to strike back, so using CoH there would be kinda pointless.

Plus, the tele does come in handy sometimes to skip a bunch of running.

>>5918804
What makes enigma a bad idea on javazons is their low base cast speed. If you're playing softcore and you're using spirit then I think there's at least an argument for using enigma, but on hardcore it's almost certainly not worth it.

For pindle? You should never use enigma, unless for some reason you are flush with enigmas.

>>5917202
The only legitimate documented runeword grailer took a very long time. The sheer number of jahs required - a rune not obtainable from LK - makes it considerably more difficult to do than a regular grailer, which itself would require a pretty persistent effort to complete in two years.

In short, you either played the game a lot in that two year span or you, like a distressing number of posters in this thread, are full of shit.

>>5918809
well, I do play softcore, and I like the MF on enigma. Also FRW makes running pindle a bit faster, and as already mentioned - bramble does fuck all for killing pindle, since i can't use plague javelins, but he dies easy enough to LF - that's the legit reason to use enigma/MF shield, since stormshield (which I normally use) doesn't help with killing pindle either. Anyway, did a few travincal runs.

4/4 lightning (I'd have preferred poison, obviously), but hey - it's still decent enough. Dropped off the chaff, not even one of the named ones.

>>5918868
My point isn't really that enigma is a bad idea for Pindle, Really, it's probably about as useful for Pindle as Peace is, which is much easier to make.

>>5918881
a bit more, because of MF.

Back-to-back trav runs. First a lightning facet, now this. Worse than the one I had on my druid though (only 35% CB, vs 38% I already had).

Just finished normal of my unholy paladin buff/summon on Median XL, enjoying it so far. Need to get more +resist gear before I go very far in nightmare. Anyone else enjoying XL?

Playing for the first time, I picked druid. Is there any specific weapon type I should go for, I see other classes have unique weapons but I don't see any for druid yet. Am I free to just use whatever I feel like, there doesn't seem to be any skills that affect weapon type in the skill trees.

>>5918753
Resists, other than light, are unnecessary, you are wasting space. Swap Tardgod with Arach and Wisp (you get fcr plus mf).

Javazon can't die even if you tele into berserk/amp with zero block so swap Stormsuck (which I'm totally sure you got legit) with Spirit so you get more fcr and don't have to cope like this >>5918786 poor peasant. Enigma and decent tele at 80fcr (wisp, griffon, spirit) is godsent.

Also
>playing hc without holy freeze

Might aura for what??? So you can... jab better? Kek.

>b) the fact that I have most of the uniques that I need.
And you got them how exactly? You used drop mod, just like I do.

As for mf, pause your senile mumbling. I could go 1000 but 300 is optimal with rest of the setup for killing speed and gains. It is basic knowledge. And you literally mentioned "serious" diminishing returns literally few sentences back so I blame it on old age and forgive you.

>>5918784
Don't reply to yourself, it's embarrassing.

>>5918804
Sure, you use Bramble, and you got +50% poison skill damage. Top luck. What? You rerolled it? That's sure a lot of Surs and Ohms used. Oh wait, you copied save file technique? Nice. Be sure to get buttmad over imagined scenarios of someone dropmodding on 30 year old game to post on Mongolian death worm taming forum.

>>5919324
It's something of a hobby of mine to deconstruct wrong posts. So, here goes.

Resists: Cold res is the second most important form of resistance. This is largely because of the danger of cold enchanted stacking with conviction in unpleasant ways. While that's pretty rare, it's common enough that no self-respecting hardcore player is going to advocate for anything less than max res. As I'll go into below, it's also very easy to hit max cold res incidentally on a javazon, so it's not like you're sacrificing anything. You also need some source of cbf, and since raven frost is the easiest way to get it you're pretty much locked in there too (added bonus: Makes max block much easier).

Nobody is going to play a javazon on hardcore without max block because it so vastly decreases your chances of dying to physical damage, which is the most dangerous form of damage. Similarly, it's important for max block builds to cap dr% (since they have less vit). Accordingly, stormshield isn't really optional on hardcore. Don't believe me? Watch how expensive an ss gets when the ladder resets. Berserkers (the champion type, not to be confused with frenzytaurs) can do quadruple digit damage in one hit with amp/might, even with dr%. Ain't nobody going to take that chance if they don't have to.

Act 2 Merc Aura: You use might when you have good gear because your kill speed becomes so fast that you don't need the CC. Might increases your (and your merc's) physical damage even on LF, which increases your return from leech. Also, yes, if you do have to jab it speeds things up.

>>5919324
I did mention that i got lucky with bramble, and got it on the second try (first one was 44%). And no - without copying files (and i used that first bramble for a good while).
Sometimes you get lucky.

Thanks for admitting your lame drops aren't legit though.

>>5919417
Cont'd

Where I got my stuff: My character's history is actually pretty well-documented as I'm a part of a couple of SP communities. I had completely dreadful gear for a very long time until I got a tgod's off of hell Eldritch (who I ran thousands of times because my gear was too poor to do anything else - I got from 85 to 92 on Eldritch alone). After that, I rerolled my map until I got a good DoH 2 map (pic related) and then I did meph thousands of times. SS is not particularly rare, by the way, and I think I got it off of Meph in my first thousand runs. I switched to pits/baal after my gear improved with a brief period of doing nothing but LK to get the runes to make a CoH and a CTA. In all, I did nothing but meph for the better part of a year and LK for about two weeks.

Is it possible that I'm still cheating? Sure, but I have a lot more credibility here than you do. For starters, even though my character is two years old the only TC87 unique that I've gotten is Crown of Ages (off of a hellspawn in WSK 2), and you've apparently found more Tal's armors this week than I've found in those two years. Also, a lot of my gear has very low rolls: My titan's are 153/9, my shako is one defense off of the lowest possible (99), and my mara's is the worst possible. I got a good roll off of Trav's (the only other item I found from Eldritch, really) and my Tgod's is okay but on all of the places where it counts my rolls have been rather poor. I've found one facet, and it was a 4/3 poison. In short, if I'm cheating, you certainly couldn't tell from my items.

Teleport on Amazons: Nobody does this, and for good reason. You need 68% FCR to get to the Sorceress BASE casting speed, which is still way too slow to really be safe on /p8. Because you basically have to use SS it's impossible to achieve 68% - let alone an actually reasonable casting speed - without significant gear sacrifices.

>>5919428
Cont'd

I'd just like to add that the other reason engima is bad on amazons is that it's completely pointless.

In SP, you can just reroll your maps until you get ones that don't require teleporting (My WSK 2 requires one teleport, for which I use an amulet, and my WSK 3 requires zero). There are some parts of the game, like 3/5 seals Chaos, that are always going to be faster with teleport, but because of the horrible base casting speed of amazons you're not really saving any time by teleporting. You're just better off going somewhere else.

In MP, amazons are pretty much restricted to doing areas that don't require teleport (pits is a good one) because her casting speed is so bad. Yes, you *could* teleport baal or whatever, but you'd be so much better off just doing it on a sorc or barb due to the inherent inefficiency.

>>5919428
I'm not the anon you're arguing with but 2 years and you've only found 1 tc87? You mustn't be playing much or? My character is barely 3 months old and I've found 10 of them. No drop mods, but I have played everyday for around 6 hours on average.

>>5918962
Is a nice fresh air, doing Pala too.

>>5919445
I don't play too much, no.

Playing this character as solo self-found was a deliberate attempt to not rush things. I've played this game to death - I've played every major patch version extensively and made countless fully geared characters of all varieties (I think this is my sixth 95+ hardcore javazon) - so now I'm taking my foot off the gas.

Mostly when I play now I do /p8 pits or I fuck around and clear areas people don't usually do. Because of my low mf (200) I don't really find much, and because I'm 95 it gives me about 300k experience. But I'm not trying to be efficient by any stretch of the imagination.

>>5919457
Ok fair enough, I'm not dissing or anything. I just find that quite remarkable, 2 years and 1 tc87, ouch.

>>5919463
I hope to find my griff's by 2030.

>>5919465
kek

>>5919435
Well i'd still argue that enigma is useful on a zon for doing pindle - you run to the portal faster, and mf is good, since you don't need a whole lot to drop pindle with LF.

That said - i don't use enigma on my zon, because by the time i had the runes for it i had a bramble already (44% on 1st roll, 50% on the second - i almost didn't make that one, because the chances of improving on a 44 roll were slim - pulled the trigger a couple of days ago and got a 50, yay!). I've had some luck with drops - like getting titans off of nightmare mef on 1st kill, bu i've found only 1 4/4 light facet (and not until yesterday), and zero skillers. I guess not making infinity means i had extra bers to make two more enigmas for my other chars though...

>>5919324
>Resists, other than light, are unnecessary
*gets one-shot by a frost nova from a dying Cold Enchanted mob*
*gets one-shot by a fire-breathing demon in Chaos Sanc*
*poison constantly keeping health at 1hp because*

>>5918809
>In short, you either played the game a lot in that two year span
I was a neet for like 6 years, spent two years of that no life grinding D2. At least 5 hours a day, every day and very often more. I'm not proud of it, but my life is in a better place now.

>>5919561
Good for you - you should be proud of a runeword grail in any case since they're virtually unheard of.

I swear Tal Rasha's amulet was the rarest item in the game

Anyone have the novels in epub format? I got all novels in PDF but its terrible on kindle, even with convertion.

Any good private servers? i'm tired of bnet.

>>5919727
Nah, try Biggin's Bonnet.

Only Sacred bois remain.

please be eth please be eth please be eth

>>5920173
I have 4-5 of those and one tal's ammy. Try dropmodding harder.

>>5920283
fuck, 4th one and again solid as a rock

>>5920284
Yeah, sure you do. Cope harder.

>>5920178
>>5920283
>>5920285

There are easier ways to masturbate, you know, because that's all this is at this point - you might as well use a char edit or something that makes it rain uniques, and just enjoy pretending you have a good char.

>autistically spamming your drop mod images all day long

This is what NM LK farming does to people.

>>5919549
>gets one-shot by a frost nova from a dying Cold Enchanted mob

I don't buy that. Pic related is what I got right now.

>>5920309
So 500 health drop at kill on top of 3000 with bozos hitting me around.

>>5920313
And these are resists I run with.

>>5920315
on /players3 of course.

>>5919549
>*gets one-shot by a fire-breathing demon in Chaos Sanc*

This one is also false. Only fire problem I have is with Wave 3 hydras but it's avoidable. Poison isn't even a threat so i won't comment that.

Too bad the set is shit.

>>5920376
I never bothered to research Natalya's set, is it any good?

>>5920401
At least I can dual wield which is sexy.

>>5920336
>throne of destruction is now chaos sanctuary

mmmkay.
You'll change your tune if you happen to be under amp damage when the frost nova hits and you're doing players 8

>guys is literally spamming his drop mod images and replying and talking to himself

how sad

...The guy trying to give me advice thinks it's a good idea to run -2 cold res on hardcore.

...Huh.

Also, softcore amazons should use razortail. Try it and thank me later.

>>5920409
Miniscule difference. I stand by my point that Javazon is impossible to kill easily and tough as nails even with shit stats like mine and no block whatsoever.
>players8
Top meme. No wonder you can't get shit but Amn runes and great helms.

>>5920445
>razortail

Sported it for some time and realized it has no major effect. With plus skills I have enough pierce. +skill, FCR from arach beats it by million leagues. There is absolutely no debate.

>Looking for a good thread to speak about Diablo 2
>oh look /vr/ has some
>is a thread where an autist keep spamming default game modded with a drop mod
How is that this thread isn't deleted already or something?

>>5920457
yes, there is no debate. 100% pierce is so many light years ahead of 67% pierce it's not even in the same galaxy. And the fuck are you using fcr for? CtA every ~60 seconds?

>>5912178
>200 LK runs
LMAO

>>5920457
For anyone else reading this, the reason softcore amazons should use razortail is that pierce chance inexplicably gives increasing returns when it comes to calculating your chance to pierce targets past the first. Unlike most other stats, the more pierce you have the more it makes sense to try to get more pierce until you hit the cap (100).

I'm not going to go into too much detail into how it works, but basically while having 95% chance to pierce versus 100% chance to pierce only marginally increases your odds of piercing once, it nearly quadruples your odds of piercing the max number of times (four). The importance of Razortail on javazons has been pretty extensively tested, but it's not complicated: Pierce makes multiple lightning furies proc from a single throw, which means even a single extra pierce on average results in a massive damage increase.

In a backwards kind of way you are right that there is no debate about which of arach or razortail is better for a softcore amazon. Indeed, since tgod's exists arach isn't really even in the conversation.

>>5920482
I'm just waiting for someone else to post something to talk about. In the meantime, I'm just going to keep pointing out the things that he's saying that are wrong for the sake of anyone else reading this thread.

>>5920446
You're talking to multiple people. Also, since it only takes one death on hardcore to delete my character, it's not a risk I'm willing to take. As with your opinions on razortail, the things you're saying are so obviously based on a lack of knowledge that I'm not sure why you're bothering to say them at all.

>>5920487
I used it to tele like a pro with nigma while you noobs lag behind in river of flame platforms not getting anything killed because merc is still stuck at hadriel, conviction is therefore not proccd and players8 rewards you with eth rune after spending a minute killing grotesque wyrms who actually shouldn't drop anything but you dropmod like me so they drop chams but you're chronically unlucky so you just get eth.

git gud bro.

>>5920504
tgod is ok if you don't have wisp i'll give you that, but otherwise it's borderline charsi food. my killing speed didn't decrease by swapping razorcrap with arach, actually it increased since i can hit decent fcr so i'm unbeatable with ninja teleportation (nothing personal kid). 80 or 100 pierce is such secondary or even tertiary thing to a java.

>>5920515
>>5920532
This is some real Poe's law shit right here.

>>5920535
it is. please continue your extensive psychological evaluation instead of farming and getting drops. that diadem could've dropped already. like it did to me. two times. look at it.

>>5920547
Again, I'm wholly not jealous of someone who cheats at a SP game. If I wanted to cheat I would. Besides, I'm shitposting on the clock; can't quite get away with playing Diablo 2 though.

Besides, since you've made so many nonsensical itemization choices I wouldn't even choose your gear over mine. Spirit over SS? Arach over either of the two legitimate javazon choices? Wisp projector for some reason? Do you even have 3/20s or have you also rejected the conventional wisdom on those?

From where I'm sitting, griff's (and the eth titan's but this is a marginal difference that is entirely offset by the fact that you don't use might) is actually the only aspect of your gear that's better than mine. This is especially funny in light of the fact that you cheated for it on softcore and I got my gear legit on hardcore. You'd think it'd be me shitting up this thread with my bragging posts but no: It is, inexplicably, you.

I recently completed Diablo 1 as the Warrior and now I am playing Diablo 2 as the Druid with emphasis on elemental skills. I love the magma boulder spell.

I had tried out Diablo 2 briefly as a kid in the 90s so this is a chance to actually complete it and to play the expansion.

>>5920581
stormshit doesn't do anything for me except what I already have on enigma (dr). spirit for fcr and fhr and +skills, 20 ias crafted gloves with mf, life leech and cb, arach as mentioned for easy cruising and holy freeze cuz might does absolutely nothing worthwhile except helps me stab grand vizier 0.03 second faster which i don't care since i'm lightning fast anway.

getting drops, getting (yous) weltering in copes. I'm having a blast. your own insecurity got the best of you. but I still support you when you get your first griffon and get back to me in crying shame.

>>5920608
Diablo 2 is a completely different ball game compared to its predecessor. They're both great but for completely different reasons. Enjoy it.

>>5920614
I feel like I should probably mention that unless both your other ring and your amulet give you FCR that you are running a large amount of superfluous FCR too since the relevant breakpoints are 68 and 99.

Why use eth titan's if you don't care about physical damage?

If you use might you can use 3/20s and still end up way ahead on leech (cb is irrelevant and mf is nice to have but not as nice as +1 skill).

I'm not insecure, I'm procrastinating! I do hope you stop posting in this thread though because I feel like the odds of it getting deleted with you shitting it up are pretty high.

>>5920515
>I used it to tele like a pro
>with an amazon

wew, lad.

>no conviction from merc
in unmodded SP. can you read, bro?

>>5920532
>i can hit decent fcr

there's no such thing as decent fcr on an amazon - you need 68% to get from a glacial 19, to the base casting speed of a sorc, who does, and if you can manage 152% fcr, this will allow you to be 1 frame SLOWER than a 37% fcr sorc.

And again - what's the point of showing off your lamedrops? Would you go to a racing site and brag about how good your lap times are if you skip half the track?

>>5920614
I think you meant to say you'll cry even harder when he gets a legit drop that you had to cheat in order to get.

>>5920608
well, boulder is fun, but fissure kills faster. EZ way of running a druid:
1-5 firestorm, take boulder at level 6 for the knockback, then keep pumping firestorm to 10, take fissure at 12, and put all points there until you max it.

There's a pretty good HC speedrun Llama did (until he got gibbed by hell ancients) running fissure, then switching to wind druid.

I'm leveling up a druid with fisure, but the endgame for me is fire claws/maul, but that's because I got a stash full of high end gear from 2 years of playing my amazon, before I even started the druid.

>>5920409
When did they change amp damage to increase cold damage?

>>5920680
sorry, brain fart. meant lower resist that mages cast in CS.

What does /vr/ think of mods like Median and Path of Diablo? and Beelzebub

>>5920742
Just so you know, this has been out of the game for a little while.

>>5920675
Fissure is a fire-and-forget speedrun strategy, like using fire traps on an assassin. It's not recommended for people who are just trying to play the game normally. Indeed, most of the speedrun builds are inappropriate for playing the game the usual way (see: Necromancer build with no summons or CE).

>>5920309
>>5920313
>3k HP
ah you're a HoTo/CTA fag
most of us dont have fancy rare-rune high end gear, my dude. when you only have 800~1k HP that frost nova straight up 1 shots you if you dont have any cold resist.

>>5920976
I mean, I have CTA and I still wouldn't run anything less than max cold res in hell. The unbugged version of the nova hits for 500. You're just asking to be shredded by an LECE with resists like that.

This ladder I dropped:

4 vex
5 Ohm
5 Lo
4 Sur
1 Ber
5 Jah
2 Cham
1 Zod

But finding items has been terrible. I found a mae-songs but that's trash. Getting pretty burnt out on east ladder. The strangest thing is that I haven't found a skulders yet, and I've been looking for it since the first week (I won't even use it anymore, but I just want it). Also how can I find like 15 gore riders, but only ONE war travelers?

On another note, I did find a 15ias/30ED jewel and a 15ias/34ED jewel (still have this one). Those are both more rare than any unique in the game...

>>5920857
Fissure is also a synergy skill for a firemaul druid. And fun in its own right, especially when you are running players 5 to level up quickly as you go

>>5920857
fissure's great in Normal and most of Nightmare but it drops off, kind of like Fire Traps do on Assassin.
Best part of it is Mana per kill works on Fissure, so slap 2 or 3 Tir runes into a slotted weapon or helm and you never have to worry about mana the whole way, until you respec in mid-late Nightmare.

Thinking of getting into Hardcore on the side as something to help me "git gud" at the game.
What's the best, safest, tankiest character/build for hardcore?
Would it be an overtanked Hammerdin? overtanked Summonmancer? Javazon?
Apart from max block max resists, what else can I do to ensure my safety in hardcore?

>>5921259
By far the easiest class to play on hardcore is a necromancer because they don't need to directly engage with the things they're killing. From there, the difficulty of the other classes really depends on your playstyle. Sorcs are just as dominant on hardcore as they are on softcore but if you're not careful with how you teleport you could end up dead very quickly. When picking a class, just keep in mind that any single element class is going to have a much harder time on hardcore than they will on softcore (at least until you get very good gear) because it's much more difficult to breeze past enemies you don't want to kill when you're untwinked and dying means losing your character.

Other than the things you mentioned (note that you don't want max block on a sorc or, barbs most of the time but you will for everyone else), the main advice I can give you for hardcore is to read what the boss pack does before you start swinging. The most common way to die is by death explosion. You should be especially wary on nightmare, as the fire enchanted death explosion bug was fixed on hell but not nightmare so on nm it does hundreds of damage more than it's supposed to.

It's also generally just a good idea to proceed with caution in hardcore. You're going to want to overlevel before you transition between difficulties, particularly between nightmare and hell. The level of danger increases drastically in hell and it may be quite some time before it's safe for you to proceed. Act 2 hell in particular is a pretty normal place for people to get stuck.

All in all, just be cautious. Hardcore is mostly about mindset and about never putting yourself in a position where your character might die. I've been playing hardcore for most of the game's lifespan and I haven't lost a character in years.

For what it's worth, I think hardcore is way more fun than softcore and once you get into it it's hard to go back.

>>5921259
The safest hardcore character and build for hardcore is Summonmancer. Max raise skeleton and mastery, 1 point in clay/iron golem, summon resists, mages, revives. 1 point amp damage, 1 point decrepify. Max CE, 1 point bone armor, the rest of your points in bone wall/prison.
Stats str for gear, dex for max block, rest in vit, none in ene.
For gear you can use whatever you want but the safest setup with decent clear speed and can run everything in the game IMO is, Shako helm, enigma, trang oul gloves, heart of the oak, crafted necro ammy with 15% fcr, dwarf star, raven frost, thunder gods, homonculus, war travs/ rare tri res boots with fhr. Enough resist charms in your inventory to hit max resists (you could even over max for conviction packs), fhr, life, mf. You won't die.

>>5921412
I agree with most of this although I don't think you strictly need the integer absorb from tgod's on a necromancer. I'd consider using arach if you have it, particularly if you'e using enigma.

Granted, this is all very pie-in-the-sky. Chances are it's going to be years before you get gear like this (unless you're on bnet and then it will be more like minutes).

>>5921259
If you know a thing or two about obtaining Cruel weaponry and have a lot of patience, you can probably also run with a Concbarb or even Berserker; the latter compensates for the 0 Defense by spamming crowd control around him, and all Barbs have a shitload of defensives because maxing out at least Battle Orders and getting a pip in all the +defense stuff is downright mandatory. That, and Iron Maiden got nerfed, so going melee isn't the worst, although it will still be tedious at times.

If you want to try out melee in untwinked hardcore, you are probably best served with a Holy Freezelot.

what's the end-game/goal of Diablo and Diablo 2?

>>5921463
Yeah it's personal preference. I don't rate arach myself and I can hit the 75% fcr breakpoint without it. I've thought about wisp projector, dungos and ravenfrost combo instead then maybe hotspurs for the extra tankiness against fire but eh. You end up with pretty much the same result with a bit of dr and no nice boots.

>>5921493

in D1 it's killing Diablo on Hell difficulty, plus getting top end gear:
warrior:
royal circlet
civerb's cudgel
king's sword of haste
awesome plate
obsidian ring/amulet of the zodiac
gold ring/amulet of perfection

rogue:
royal circlet
emerald bow of swiftness
awesome plate
obsidian ring/amulet of the zodiac
gold ring/amulet of perfection
dragon's ring/amulet of wizardry (for mini-mage)

sorceror:
thinking cap (+hidden shrine)
naj's light plate
dreamflange/arch-angel's staff of wizardry/arch-angel's staff of apocalypse
bountiful staff of apocalypse
civerb's cudgel
dragon's ring/amulet of wizardry
stat shield (for use with DF/CC)


In D2, i'd say being able to solo anything on players 8 is an endgame goal. That, and stuff like collecting all the uniques in the game (known as Holy Grail).


Also - reaching max level (50 in d1, 99 in d2).

>>5921278
>You're going to want to overlevel before you transition between difficulties
any rough recommendation for what lvl you should be before each act/difficulty?
when I see people play on youtube/twitch they're always killing Hell Baal at like lv25 and my face is always pic related.
normally when I get a softcore character to Hell it can be anywhere between lv55 or lv80 depending on what /players I had it on and whether I rushed it or not.
Lately I try to enter Nightmare at around lv35~40.

>>5921998
Nightmare really depends on the build. Normal baal gives a level a run on /p8 up until around 44; I'd go somewhere around there. You can certainly go much earlier but if you're trying to play it safe that's a good place to switch. You'll be overleveled until act 2 or so.

Going to hell depends a lot more on gear than it does on level. If you've been on /p8 this whole time you're going to finish nightmare around 75, which is a sufficient level to go to hell if you have the right gear. You probably don't, however, and I'd recommend not really going through hell until you have >50 light and cold res, >0 fire res and some decent defensive stats (i.e. max block if that's character appropriate).

If you're playing SP, if your gear isn't completely terrible you can roll a fast hell Andy map and run her a bunch of times until you start getting a decent gear base. Hell Meph is much better and faster if you can make it that far, but he's also considerably more dangerous. Avoid the level 85 areas until your gear's a bit better because they're much worse than act bosses for producing common-but-useful uniques.

welll, at least it dropped, but only +2. Bummer.

It's been years since I've played this. What class/build should I start with to start the MF train?

ok, i just need to vent. This just happened to me moments ago. P8 cows.

What's wrong with this picture, anyone?

>>5923237
You can MF with a lot of characters, but if you want something simple and dirt cheap you could try a Barbarian running Berserk and drop some points into Find Item once you get a decent enough level. 49% hork chance is plenty with 16 points in it, only drop more on it if you've nothing better to spend them on.

Gear, from ideal / most expensive to cheapest:
'Grief' phase blade > 'Oath' Balrog blade > 'The Vile Husk'
(offhand) 6x Ist phase blade > 2 Ist Ali Baba > Gull dagger
Shako > IK Helm + 2 perf topaz (with boots) > 3 socket helm with 3 perf topaz
Enigma > Skullders > 4 socket body with 4 per topaz
Ghoulhide > Chance Guards > Gravepalm
War Travelers > IK Boots (with helm) Gore Riders > whatever
String of ears > Goldwrap > whatever

Would work just fine for Pindle, with the pit requiring a little above the bare minimum level of gear if you want it to be worth the time. IK stuff probably rated better than I'm placing them on that chart, but whatever suits you.

>>5923316

Thank you based anon.

>>5923313
You're not using dropmod to get 3 jah runes?

>>5923345
>not using a dropmod

I said what's WRONG here. And no - i'm not using a dropmod. Got a vex on the previous cow level, and here, after FINALLY finding a razortail, it turned out to be a cruel joke, and rolled eth.

>>5923345
There's two guys with Javazons I believe, it's the other one who dropmods.

>>5923316
>>5923342
Oh right it completely slipped my mind, but I'd suggest at least a handful of points into Howl.

Go find Pindle or a unique mob pack in the pit > howl the whites away > beat down the named mob > Item Find on the corpse > grab anything nice and move on to the next one. Easy stuff.

>>5923390

yep. the dropmod user has a pure LF java i think. Mine is a plague/LF hybrid, and running on unmodded SP.

And i'm still salty AF about that eth razortail.

>>5923496
Eth razortail is fine. Durability damage is not equally distributed, and it will take very long for a belt to break - long enough for you to find another one.

>>5921948
I have an Archangel’s Staff of Nova for my sorc, cracks me up.

>>5923635
I'm using it to farm cows, but damn was it disappointing...

uppyoursh mr dropmod.

i also use a dropmod desu guys, it's not the end of the world, although i don't post my drops on here because it's not really much of an accomplishment when the odds are significantly further in your favor. I don't have time to play a lot and i still want to 'collect' all of the items, just at a faster pace than normally because i don't play more than 1-2 hours of diablo a week. good luck to you vanilla grail runners.

on another note, i usually play a few horror-themed games every october if i can find time and i've never played the original diablo.think it would be a good pick? people seem to praise the atmosphere and all.

>>5924610
Play it hardcore with some decent headphones on. Should be spoopy.

>>5924610

it's not the use of a dropmod, desu - it's the fact that the asshole comes on here, to show off his "awesome drops", expecting people to be jealous, or impressed.

Why is it always some autistic fucker in this thread. I remember once there was a guy claiming skeleton summoner was a weak build.

Anyway, has anyone tried diablo 1 mods like the the hell, the hell 2 or beelzebub? Looking for some opinions, because beelzebub looks a lot like D2 in the endgame and there isn't much available online about the hell.

>>5923237
Don't listen to retards and make a blizz sorck. Also play SP and get plugy.

Which would you pick for a pure MF summoner? I can't decide.

>>5925243

Viper Trample. At some percentage, the effectiveness of MF drops off drastically. But poison resist, 30% run/walk speed, and extra gold are more helpful than an extra 9%

You have a wand/amulet with teleport charges right?

>>5923461

What's the most effective/quickest-to-clear barb build for normal?

>>5924838
it's people pretending to be retarded/angry about stuff, but hey at least it bumps the thread and creates conversation as opposed to *bump* every few posts to keep the thread alive.

>>5925269
unironically shouting things to death or throwing explosive/poison potions.

>>5924838
Hey, lagmaster used to be a legit strategy.

Why is MXL made by twelve years old?
All the skills are changed to be 12~ rotation fest buffs and spamming one skill alone (because if you choose a tree they lock the other) and nearly all the skills doesn't have sense or they are shit.

>>5926856
Learn English, retard.

>>5927108
Neck yourself mongrel

>>5927118
Stay mad subhuman.

How do you kill Diablo as a necromancer on Normal difficulty?

I get an army of skeletons and skeleton mages and a golem,and one spray of that pink lightning and they are all wiped out.

>>5927187
Go grind until you get Decrepify and a revive (or more, depending on your + skills) and you should have max skeleton mastery.

>>5927187
Clay golem+decrepify to slow him right down. Also a point in summon resist as well as max skele mastery like >>5927205 said

FUCK OFF WHY ISN'T IT UNIQUE

Anyone here know much about classic pre-lod diablo? I really enjoyed beating hell on my sorc in the latest patch and wanna come back to give it another shot. Some of the later patches affected classic heavily such as synergies and balancing however.

Question is, what would be the "best" patch to play pre-expac diablo 2 on? 1.09? I'd want the most balanced one where each class is usable. Amazon in the latest patch for example is played by nearly no one on the ladder last I checked

>>5927187
clay golem
some source of cold damage (maybe a single skel magi)
act 2 merc with Defiance, and if you're lucky a +slow% polearm
if you're REALLY having trouble, grind exp to lv30 and get Decrepify.

respec and take points out of skel magi. they're basically useless.
you wanna have 1 point into skeleton mastery for every 2 points into skeletons.
make sure you have a point into summon resist.
revives are OK, specifically for bosses but they kinda suck until you have high lvl runeword armor that allows you to teleport.

>>5927635
1.08 (i think) had WAY different stats on a lot of uniques, which might be fun to play with.

>>5927710
>respec and take points out of skel magi. they're basically useless.
Hard disagree, with max skele mage you can take on even uber Tristram.
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=14682417

>>5927730
ah fair enough, but in my experience they do basically no damage and are paper thin. i stopped using them because I felt like 20 skillpoints elsewhere was more useful.
not to mention because they're ranged attackers they had a tendency to block doorways a lot which used to give me the shits.

>>5927741
They're more for the cold and poison status conditions, the cold / poison at high levels lasts practically forever. The magic damage does something at least though and helps for phys immunes and whatever else.

Having Enigma helps it massively, but yeah.

>>5927187
Have you tried leading a bunch of enemies to the spot where you summ9n diablo, and killing them there before you summon him?
You should be able to figure out what to do with the corpses.

>>5927713
I've looked around the patch notes and mostly found changes to affixes and the usual skill balancing, not much mentioned about uniques. So far 1.10 seems to be the biggest change for pre-LOD d2 so I guess any patch before that should be okay

>>5927769
>phys immunes
i just use Amp Damage, removes phys immunity though still takes a little while to kill Possessed Ghosts and the like.
>Enigma
yeah if I had that I'd prob consider Magi and Revives as viable again.

>>5927803
yeah i looked again and yeah, 1.10 is when most shit changed.
i say play like 1.09 or 1.08 maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGA5WwfIo4k

>>5927830
Mostly LOD uniques so no biggie. Time to start up a bowzon and get comf-
>Akara does not sell mana pots in 1.09

>>5927730
The reason magi are useful in uber tristram is because the poison from the mages essentially prevents the absurd life regeneration that ubers would normally get. They are otherwise almost completely worthless and not worth much more than the single point you need to invest in them to get revives.

>>5927635
The last patch to be released before the expansion came out was 1.06. If you want the genuine classic-as-classic experience, that is probably the best one to play. The class balance in 1.06 is not bad, but amazons are pretty useless.

The only other pre-x expansion that a lot of people play is 1.00. 1.00 is VERY broken (run the cow king for guaranteed uniques! Get boots with >150% resists on them! 3% to gamble a unique and the gamble prices don't change as you level up!) but it's interesting if you'd really like to know what the game was like in its original form. By 1.06 a lot of the extremely odd stuff was patched out, but some of it still remains (like any unique ring that drops being a soj if you have mh and nagel in your inventory).

In short, if you want the most playable and balanced permutation of pre-x Diablo 2, play 1.06. If you want to see some real fucked up shit, play 1.00.

>>5928026
Hey - i still remember my 1.00 thornadin. Shit was crazy, yo.

For those that don't know - in 1.00, thorns had a crazy interaction with summons/hirelings. Basically, the %reflected damage for npcs was calculated, and applued, before the original attack hit. If it was high enough 800+% usually was) to kill yhe monster, it would die, and the merc/converted monster would not take damage.

Picture cows walking up to the merc, and just dropping dead en masse.

>>5928039
Conversion + thorns allowed you to PK other players without hostiling them because in 1.00 the game doesn't check nearly as often as it does now to see whether you're supposed to have the aura or not. So you convert a mob, put thorns on it and then watch chaos ensue when conversion ends.

Based Fire Eye dropping my first unique of this playthrough. Decided for a more casual run of classic with 1.09 and then probably try out 1.00 sometime later. Having a blast so far, never really played bowzons before

Ayy, my first BK ring ever.

is there some trick to finding the 2nd level entrance in the kurast sewers? I fucking hate this area so much

>>5930149
Stick to the outer wall and follow it until you find the entrance. Might take half a minute, might take half the map.

>>5930362
Don't forget that if you piss off the gods of act 3 the sewers can spawn on the inner ring, making it take the entire map to find. Fortunately this is about as rare as getting a Spider Forest and Great Marsh with only side connections to the Flayer Jungle.

>>5930149
For me whenever I was looking for it in my games and paying attention, it was always to the south-south east next to the outer limit of the level.

>blizzard installer automatically sends d2 to the latest patch
Any way to revert to 1.13d or am I seriously gonna have to pirate a game I've owned for the past 10+ years?

>>5920856

I am playing Path of Diablo now. It seems good.

I tried Median XL and found it to be some kind of fast-paced shmup version of Diablo, which is very much not what I want. I am more of a turn-based gamer than a shmup fan. I want smarter enemies, not faster ones. Also the graphical changes generally turned me off somewhat. But it's clearly such a substantial mod that it deserves a far deeper look than I gave it - from somebody who's into that sort of game, I mean. (Personally, I suspect that it's just fundamentally foolish to try to add more frantic action to a game that already has a somewhat clumsy control scheme.)

>>5931096
https://mega.nz/#F!VIth1DKQ!Q42bVsCGQZ4UhoGjqvHxGw

As an action RPG game why Diablo II is more replayable than any other game in the latest 20 years?

>>5931812
see >>5927108

Look at this chubbyboi!

What are the improvements of Path of Diablo vs any other mod out?

>>5931872
>more viable builds
>more viable items
>corruptions are fun and add another layer to gearing
>can inspect other players
>there's an armory
>a good trading website
>ladder resets
>splash jewels to make melee attacks do aoe damage

And then there's a whole bunch of negatives I'm too lazy to list. Overall it's only worth experiencing for one ladder reset. After that it gets cancer, and SP plugy is way better anyways. Besides, you can mod any features you want yourself.

>>5932021
Then I will continue playing Eastern Sun and Aftermath

>>5932026
Those don't even feel like Diablo though. You might as well give path of reddit a try. They also have a nice launcher and loot filter.

>>5932031
They are harder (Aftermath mechanics are cool but they smoke shit altering the mobs/Exp) and ES keeps nearly all the original skills. Maybe can give a if PoR supports D2SE, don't want to fuck my install

>>5932039
You can just make a separate installation with their launcher.

>1.13 classic CS ranges from extreme suffering at best to borderline impossible at worst due to immunities
oh so that's why I stopped playing that 73 sorc

>>5932454
Just get decent equipment for your merc and have him solo it.

>>5932714
baka

>>5931813
Nothing wrong with my post idiot.

A Barb with Find Treasure could be a good MFinder?

>>5933674
>>5934049
Don't you dudes have your own russia/china chan or something?

>>5934057
乁(ツ゚)ㄏ

I miss aussiebro.

>>5934049
Look up the Pitzerker/Pindlezerker

>>5934125
Have no fear, I'm aussiebro is here. I drop in every now and then.

>guided arrow with pierce re-enabled and high velocity
I love how easy it is to make skills more retarded

>>5934645
So what's your grail progress?