Why do you hate shmups so much, /vr/?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 30 14:50:26 2019 No.5918310 [Reply] [Original]

Why do you hate shmups so much, /vr/?

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 14:52:41 2019 No.5918316

>>5918310
I don't. And I think the hate is heavily exaggerated. There might not be a ton of people interested in them, particularly on a deep level, but few people actually hate them. Not like they're the only games you can't have big discussion about on /vr/ either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 14:54:15 2019 No.5918323 No one cares about shmups enough to hate them. Shmupfags sure won't shut up about RPGs tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 14:54:54 2019 No.5918324 >>5918310 Can't say as I do, you sure you're not conflating one or two loud people as representing a mass?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 14:55:25 2019 No.5918327 File: 45 KB, 606x449, xiga.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918310 What are your favorite shmups, OP?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 14:56:38 2019 No.5918332 >>5918310 What the fuck is a shmup. Stop making up words

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 14:57:25 2019 No.5918335 >>5918332 Shoot 'em up. Shmup is a perfectly cromulent term.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:00:50 2019 No.5918339 >>5918323 this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:08:49 2019 No.5918352 Because most of them have no story and 1 hit deaths are fucking stupid ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:15:01 2019 No.5918367 >>5918327 I can get to him without dying, but can't beat Xiga yet. I'm not good enough at building my level so I have to survive the fight longer (can't damage him). Cool boss, someday I'll get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:16:36 2019 No.5918373 File: 467 KB, 1024x683, seething lane.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918323 >>5918339

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:21:04 2019 No.5918387 Jarpigs BTFO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:21:32 2019 No.5918389 >>5918387 How do you figure?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:22:03 2019 No.5918392 File: 465 KB, 1688x3000, jarpig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918387

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:26:33 2019 No.5918405 >>5918387 baste!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:27:06 2019 No.5918407 File: 100 KB, 531x359, 1569871626823.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918405 and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:27:41 2019 No.5918410 >>5918335 No. It is fucking retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:36:31 2019 No.5918418 >>5918373 What is all that fucking shit on the wall around the sign? For the love of fuck, clean up your shithole, limey bastards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:41:58 2019 No.5918426 I'm not that good at them. But I still love Aero Fighters, Gradius, Salamander, and TwinBee.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 15:50:27 2019 No.5918442

>>5918426
Nice. I like Radiant Silvergun, Gradius/Parodius, and DonPachi/DoDonPachi. There's a lot of others, but those are some favorites that came to mind. I don't 1CC them all and I'm not an incredible player or anything, but I shmups are nice sometimes. I want to try TwinBee games more sometimes, I've only played them briefly.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 16:30:14 2019 No.5918531

>>5918310
/vr/ is such a slow board that it's really easy for targeted shitposting since it isn't like threads 404 after like 10 minutes of no posts like on /v/. So shitposting can last for days, and it makes appear more magnified than it really is. There is no real split in the jrpg/shmup players outside of the few shitposters here on /vr/. In fact, I find it interesting there aren't 2hu posters in these shmup threads on /vr/ that would very likely also be fans of jrpgs. I guess they all stay on /jp/ and /v/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:11:40 2019 No.5918606 Is Zanac x Zanac any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:22:07 2019 No.5918619 >>5918531 because 2hu isn't retro >b-but muh pc98 nobody likes those ones

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:26:14 2019 No.5918627 >>5918619 Yeah but not a single Reimu post ever? She is never going to make it into smash, yet that doesn't stop Reimu posters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:30:34 2019 No.5918630 I'm over 30 and I've been playing more shmups lately than I have previously. It's pure gameplay, none of that faggy movie shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:37:48 2019 No.5918648 >>5918310 I don’t now stop making this thread over and over, there’s still another identical one still active.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:53:37 2019 No.5918670 >>5918606 It's meh, like all Compile shumps desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 17:55:28 2019 No.5918675 >>5918531 >/vr/ is such a slow board that it's really easy for targeted shitposting since it isn't like threads 404 after like 10 minutes of no posts like on /v/. ah, so that's why nobody shitposts on /v/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:22:07 2019 No.5918736 >>5918619 ...I like those ones. Granted, I've only played them. Was trying out a ton of games on a PC-98 emulator and found them that way. 1CC'd Lotus Land Story and messed around with the others for a while.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:26:11 2019 No.5918743 >>5918310 I love them but I'm terrible at them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:29:47 2019 No.5918751 I love how /shmup/ changed their tactics. Victim complex won't help you here either, niggers. Fuck you and your shitty dead genre.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:42:23 2019 No.5918771 >>5918751 oy vey, the jarpigs are catching on!

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 18:57:21 2019 No.5918792

>>5918531
>I find it interesting there aren't 2hu posters in these shmup threads on /vr/

that's because 2hu is literally too hard to understand for some people
like Ikaruga and Silvergun, kiwi shmup shmucks are literally too braindead to play anything that doesn't support relentless credit feeding in MAME
this is a fact

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:02:06 2019 No.5918795 File: 100 KB, 768x672, parodius_select.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who do you play as in Parodius? For me, it's Pentarou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:04:21 2019 No.5918802 >>5918792 are there any good shmups besides ikaruga

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:04:26 2019 No.5918803 >>5918310 >Why do you hate shmups so much, /vr/? Only N64fags hate them because their shitty console never got any

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:06:30 2019 No.5918805 >>5918803 based.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:10:15 2019 No.5918814

>>5918675
The following sentence was important to the idea I was getting at
>So shitposting can last for days, and it makes appear more magnified than it really is.
I used to wonder why /vr/ autosages threads after they been up for so many days, but I get it now. Most anons can't let anything go, and two anons could bump a thread arguing over the same thing for weeks.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:12:16 2019 No.5918817

I feel sorry for shmup players
they suffer from the same illness speedrunners have "I must repeat this over and over for 200 hours until I shave off one second" "I must repeat this over and over for 200 hours until I get an extra 100 points"

no wonder shmup discussion is awful, just look at ADGQ, do you think those are well adjusted individuals?
you play a platformer, you reach the end and conquer the challenge, then you move on with your life, by comparison shmup players will tirelessly work towards some 3 billion high score they will never ever break because there will always be some asian dude with more time on their hands than they could possibly muster

and in the end your highscore is just as meaningless as your world record any%, all it gives you is some bragging rights with your fellow circle of broken people

It's time to let go boys, shmups are literally shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:16:30 2019 No.5918826 >>5918817 They're fun to play though, and it's satisfying progressing a bit more than your last attempt or getting a higher score. You don't need to go for world records to enjoy them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:17:09 2019 No.5918828 shmup trannies on suicide watch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:19:53 2019 No.5918831 Because they haven't played Space Tripper yet or are too soi brained for non rpgs/action adventure games

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:21:40 2019 No.5918835 >>5918831 Is Space Tripper just a meme or do you actually like it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e0bQM3KGiU Looks pretty boring to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:23:22 2019 No.5918837 >>5918817 Not everyone is a hardcore scorefag . Spend 15 hours.to 1cc and just move.on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:25:51 2019 No.5918843 >>5918835 It's not good I just bring it up because it lacks the usual shit people here complain about and because it has a special place in my heart being the first shmup I got really into when I was younger

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:26:17 2019 No.5918845 >>5918828 *jarpigs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:27:22 2019 No.5918847 >>5918837 Or play a game with your buddy for a couple of weeks or a month and see who can get the best score

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:32:46 2019 No.5918854 >>5918352 now THIS is a honest /vr/ poster >>5918817 not all shmup players are scorefag autists, that'd be like saying that all Mario fans are speedbummers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:33:50 2019 No.5918856 >>5918854 Even most scorefags aren't autists, same as how not everyone who goes fast in Sonic and Megaman X is on HRT

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:34:53 2019 No.5918859 File: 1.95 MB, 167x230, scared dog.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918856 Are you sure about that tho

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:34:55 2019 No.5918860

>>5918843
That makes sense. I can't remember my first shmup, maybe Gradius. One of the first I remember getting into though was Sky Shark on the NES. Not the best, but I still have a soft spot for it. Later I tried out DonPachi at a movie theater and it inspired me to play more of them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:38:49 2019 No.5918872 [DELETED]

>>5918310
They'll give you a bunch of dumb excuses like all of them being too hard (which is dead wrong, you have tons of super easy shmups to choose from).
The real reason is that they lack a narrative focus and progression systems, while also not being a nostalgic genre for most here. That's why /vr/ is only filled with RPGs and the best selling non-RPGs for /vr/ systems like Mario stuff. Arcade games are quite universally disliked here for this reason.
Essentially, /vr/ has too many modern gamers only playing stuff that resembles new mainstream releases the most.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:41:16 2019 No.5918874 >>5918872 >this amount of mental gymnastics

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:41:43 2019 No.5918875 >>5918814 Yes, your original post was quite clear in its meaning, on a second read. I am so very drunk right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:43:08 2019 No.5918879 >>5918872 >Arcade games are quite universally disliked here That's basically bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:43:11 2019 No.5918880 File: 28 KB, 405x205, copeclassic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918872 absolutely redpilled, for some reason they feel ashamed of this and don't want to be honest about it nor it being exposed. >>5918874 seething jarpig detected.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:44:13 2019 No.5918882 >>5918879 Except for a small minority it's totally true. It's undeniable, just check the catalog.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:46:13 2019 No.5918885

>>5918882
Not talking about them as much as you'd like doesn't mean people dislike them. And the catalog has a fair number of arcade game threads up right now. Of course more popular and nostalgic games will be talked about more, but that doesn't mean less popular games are disliked. Ignored might be a more appropriate word, but even that's not entirely accurate.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:46:57 2019 No.5918891 [DELETED]

>>5918860
It wasn't the first for me since I played a ton of NES ones as a kid, but it was the first that I really got into and was determined to beat. Dodonpachi sold me on the genre years later when I was dicking around with MAME, never had any arcades nearby sadly, only lan places

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:48:17 2019 No.5918896 >>5918885 This is all semantics and you know it. You know exactly what I meant. Maybe ignored is better wording but it doesn't matter, let's not get autistic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:50:10 2019 No.5918902 >>5918872 >Games that require skill and dedication are quite universally disliked here You're right about that, but you'd think the PCB collectors would get along with all the CRT fags here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:50:11 2019 No.5918903 >>5918879 It's not bullshit as far as playing the games is concerned, when the threads are about name dropping, coming up with silly genre names or sick grabs everyone loves em

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:53:41 2019 No.5918912

Because its bad, and its fans are even worse.
>spend years angry that his bad genre is dead and no one cares
>diminishing returns set in and /vr/ doesn't even bother getting angry at shmup retards anymore
>after years of pointless tantrums, begs /vr/ to be accepted
KEK, is there anything more pathetic than shmup fans?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:53:41 2019 No.5918913 >>5918902 Thing is they don't require that, you can play them casually, or easy ones. But they don't because they lack the elements of what they play games for: story focus, progression systems and nostalgia. There really is no other explanation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:55:01 2019 No.5918915 File: 22 KB, 307x343, soy noi.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918912 Why is it bad tho when you get the rare drop How right am I

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 19:56:51 2019 No.5918921 >>5918795 I like the -itsus because of Yu-Gi-Oh

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:00:30 2019 No.5918928

>>5918896
I just don't think it's that bad, you still see occasional threads that get a decent number of replies. It's natural that more popular games that everybody played and feel nostalgic towards will get more attention, but I don't know what you can do about that. More obscure games are harder to talk about because less people have played them. I could make a Poy Poy thread and it wouldn't get many replies either.
>let's not get autistic
No promises.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:04:48 2019 No.5918934 >>5918928 You don't notice a problem because you haven't looked deeply enough, read this guy's post >>5918903

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:10:12 2019 No.5918941

>>5918903
>>5918934
>when the threads are about name dropping, coming up with silly genre names or sick grabs everyone loves em
If you're talking about the quality of the discussion, I think this is true for almost every game though. It's inevitable that people will talk about that stuff because more people can participate. I guess other genres have more surface level things to talk about (story, characters, events, etc.), so they get bigger threads. Even the popular games don't usually have very in-depth discussions about gameplay in my experience.

Have to rush out the door so this post is probably poorly written, but whatever, posting it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:11:17 2019 No.5918943

>>5918903
>coming up with silly genre names
I made a bmup thread with this meme thinking that would keep it bumped long enough to start some organic bmup discussion, but it just ended with some faggot hawking his sick NES bmup grabs.
>or sick grabs everyone loves em
I made a thread on this yesterday asking why so many /vr/ guys are addicted to buying shit over playing, and it got deleted. I wonder why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:14:33 2019 No.5918947 >>5918943 lmao fucking exposed

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:22:05 2019 No.5918957 [DELETED]

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>>5918941
um, sweetie...
>>5912209
try to find a single arcade thread from /vr/'s history that goes this indepth with a single game, with so many people contributing in detail
and this happens ALL THE TIME
do you know why? because this board plays RPGs but not arcade games. woah

no fightcade threads but you get this
>>5915160
REALLY makes you think

stop deluding yourself because to us it's super obvious what's truly going on

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:38:34 2019 No.5918993 are you here clast? if so, please justify why u like burning fight more than mutation nation. thx. -anon

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:40:59 2019 No.5918997

>>5918310
I absolutely love them and hate that we can never talk about them here anymore because the progress systems mongoloid keeps saying the exact same shit over and over, even making a second shitty "why don't you like this?" thread after his first one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:43:33 2019 No.5919007 >>5918997 Believe it or not I was going to leave it at that for now (bump limit under 4 days for /vr/ is ridiculous) but someone else made this thread. I guess I'm not alone in bothered by this situation, or maybe he finds it fun to bait jarpigs.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:43:56 2019 No.5919008

>>5918310
Good games when they are light hearted and not pretentious crap. Especially in the 16 or 8-bit era. The fanbase on the other hand is fucking top tier autism, the classic etilist speedrunner-esque fags that pretend they are hardcore because they enjoy shitty chore games that you are obligated to replay to get good at it.

>DUDE LE IKARUGAA XDD

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:44:36 2019 No.5919014 >>5918997 >>5919007 in being bothered* What do you like btw? What are you playing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:45:48 2019 No.5919019 >>5919008 Ikaruga is actually a very divisive game among actual shmup players so this really shows that you know very little about them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:47:28 2019 No.5919027

Retardo got banned from shmupforums so there is an increase in animosity and schizophrenia posting on /vr/ . He thinks jrpgs killed shmups and now he's getting revenge and fighting a shmup crusade against casual gamers. Ironically he's the biggest shmup casual there is who barely even plays, can't score anything and is more of a chatter and gosipper than player...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:50:20 2019 No.5919039 >>5919008 Why do people diss shmups for requiring replay/practice to get good at when literally every challenging or competitive game is the same?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:51:42 2019 No.5919046 File: 22 KB, 320x224, Fantasy Zone.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this one is awroight

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:53:17 2019 No.5919050 >>5918891 If it wasn't for Cave I wouldn't have stuck with shmups for very long. Thankfully they exist and made the genre what it is.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 20:56:56 2019 No.5919058 [DELETED]

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>>5919027
I'm reading bro, nice fanfic.
Playing casually is fine btw as well as enjoying any genre. Playing more dedicatedly is too, unless you go to unhealthy, unsustainable extremes.
Can't deny that RPGs made arcadey games disappear from mainstream releases though.
This really is just about exposing that fact to people that have a hard time swallowing that for some reason.
However when I made the previous thread I just wanted to have fun discussing why so many dislike shmups (I don't really have an issue if people dislike them, but it's fun to discuss and I want people to be honest about it too), and also show some that think that shmups are appealing but that they're just not exposed enough the truth: that they're mostly unappealing.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:06:28 2019 No.5919072 [DELETED]

>>5919058
this, they get upset at the mere fact that this truth is exposed
>you play rpgs and not arcade games
it's really the crux of all this shitstorm
now why they get so defensive over this is beyond me. why not be fine and upfront with what you like. they're insecure af instead.
if they acted like that there would be no debate at all...
meanwhile shmup fans that aren't into rpgs have no issues admitting that. really, why is that? why this shame from jarpigs?
it's funny that this is something that has to be exposed at all

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:14:51 2019 No.5919090
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>>5919027
>Retardo got banned from shmupforums
>tfw chum challenged ricky to post the logs thinking he was bluffing, then started wigging out when ricky confirmed he would
pure farm kino tbqh.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:17:18 2019 No.5919095 [DELETED]

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>>5919072
Exactly. It's really amusing coming back from time to time to get under their skin with this. It's something I noticed quickly when I started posting.
They ALWAYS get worked up, it's amazing. I mean my thread just asked why few liked shmups even though they're a staple of /vr/ times and they got intensely mad instantly.
Truth is I have RPG fans IRL and they aren't like this. At first I couldn't believe people this pussy could exist but oh man was I wrong.

With my friends:

>Hey, how come you only play RPGs? What about say shmups.
>I enjoy the lore and levelling up. Shmup don't have that so they bore me. I see why you like them though, it's cool.

with /vr/ fags:

>Hey, how come you only play RPGs? What about say shmups.
>How can you say that REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MOOOOOOODS

>>5919090

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:28:30 2019 No.5919110 [DELETED]

>>5919095
I bet they're into pretending something they're not for e-cred, being anonymous protects you from being asked directly about proof of anything. There's a reason they're so afraid of so called doxing aka just asking what they play and being identifyable from that.
>look at my collection! I'm into retro games! (brb playing FFVI for the 20th time)
So the board itself being exposed threatens their collective illusion that they've created to feel a part of something.
Meanwhile arcade playes have no issues with identity. Enough said, you can guess the rest from that lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:32:00 2019 No.5919115 File: 134 KB, 984x629, tb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919110 Damn, that was a good way to put it. I'd say they won't recover from this but they always have something to cope with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:34:44 2019 No.5919117 >>5918335 No its not. No one called them shmups back in the day. Its cringy hipster lingo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:37:42 2019 No.5919121 >>5919117 Yes we called them shoot em ups. "shmups" is just that all smashed together because people are lazy.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:38:12 2019 No.5919123 [DELETED]

>>5919117
Check this site that's been up since 1997 (/vr/ times)
http://www.shmups.com/
And shut the hell up ignorant fag.
Besides, who cares, it's just a name, if you get what it is by reading it that's its purpose. Fucking autists I swear.

People way back called them shooters, but as FPS became huge in the 90's other terms began to pop up to differentiate them. Shoot 'em up was the most popular one, but that's kinda long so for typing purposes specially it was shorted to shmup.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:40:05 2019 No.5919128 >>5919123 GO FUCK YOURSELF 97

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:40:09 2019 No.5919129 >>5919123 shortened to shmups*

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:41:12 2019 No.5919130 >>5919128 seething because he got schooled lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:44:59 2019 No.5919134 >>5919130 No one called them shmups in 97 because of one retarded website. Are you fucking dense or what hipster face?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:46:52 2019 No.5919140 >>5919134 IRL it was most likely they called them shoot 'em ups, or shooters if the person was old fashioned. Online though, the shortened shmup version was common for obvious reasons. Go sperg out somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:50:08 2019 No.5919147 >>5919140 >most likely i already told you to go fuck yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:50:42 2019 No.5919148 >>5919014 Xevious 3DG and Arrangement, and other stuff on the PS1 Namco Museums like Ordyne and the Galaga series. I'm trying to work on getting the Sol towers more frequently in Xevious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:52:13 2019 No.5919150 File: 98 KB, 250x367, SilentFluffyBluefintuna-size_restricted.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919147

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:53:39 2019 No.5919158 >>5919150 AND DONT FORGET TO COMB YOUR FILTHY HIPSTER BEARD, FAGGOT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:53:45 2019 No.5919159 >>5919148 Are you the same Xevious 3D/G player from a year ago on shmupg? Fun times. How do you deal with the luck elements?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:57:19 2019 No.5919169 >>5919159 Nah, I haven't played it that much, just trying to clear the third stage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 21:58:10 2019 No.5919170 >>5918957 Of course RPGs are more popular here, I wasn't trying to dispute that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:09:00 2019 No.5919187 >>5919170 For some reason jarpigs refuse to admit this which is beyond hilarious.

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:09:47 2019 No.5919191 [DELETED]

>>5919159
That's me, though I didn't play the game in more than 6 months. I haven't found a way to deal with the black balls, the flying saucers can be quick killed when they're off screen besides some instances, but the black balls are pure hell and the stage 4 and 5 bosses can suck some major ass. Maybe a better player can figure out something more consistent with the curvy lasers or something but I couldn't do it
>>5919169
Prepare for assrape once you reach stage 4

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:12:35 2019 No.5919195 File: 22 KB, 121x165, NOTCH.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919191 >I haven't found a way to deal with the black balls

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:22:12 2019 No.5919210 >>5918410 >>5919117 >a stupid sounding genre >hipster lingo Nah you retard, STG's the cringy hipster lingo and shoot em up is the head up the ass anti fun faggot term of choice

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:29:35 2019 No.5919220 File: 89 KB, 1280x720, stg weekly staff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919210 more like cringy weeb hipster for STG but yeah spot on otherwise

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:40:45 2019 No.5919241 What's a game with an easy, but enjoyable, scoring system? Something that gives you bonuses like extra lives for scoring well would be nice too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:43:22 2019 No.5919242 >>5919241 Loads of 80's arcades. Omega Fighter if you want an example.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:44:43 2019 No.5919247 File: 106 KB, 1000x541, borat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919095 reminds me of bananamatic the coping closet jarpig that pretends to not play monster cunter for hundreds of hours

Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:45:18 2019 No.5919248 [DELETED]

>>5919241
Hyper Duel, the scoring is just killing every enemy in the stages, not dying and milking containers in stage 5. You also get a special bonus for keeping your helper ships/mechs alive but I wouldn't recommend worrying about that until you can already get all the bonuses because their AI is suicidal and stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:54:54 2019 No.5919263 File: 59 KB, 680x977, TOP JUST.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919247 that goes online telling people that playing games too much is bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 30 22:55:57 2019 No.5919267 >>5919263 tbf he's not wrong but lmao at the hypocrisy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 00:17:37 2019 No.5919342 Everyone who's posted so far in this thread or cares even a tiny little bit about its contents has attained a level of faggotry I never knew was possible and can barely comprehend. Reevaluate your lives and/or consider suicide.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 00:43:16 2019 No.5919390 >>5919342 Lead by example you silly homo

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 00:49:53 2019 No.5919407 Last week, while out on a gay date, I saw a guy playing Raiden with crossed arms so the right hand was on the stick. Do any of you do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 04:14:51 2019 No.5919654 >>5918310 I don't, I'm just fucking bad at them, so I don't wanna play them much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 04:21:13 2019 No.5919667 >>5919654 Have you tried easy shmups?

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 04:21:39 2019 No.5919668

No one called shooting games "shmups" during the 80s and 90s. In the west shooters were the unloved genre anyway. It was extremely rare to see the latest vertical or horizontal shooter drawing a crowd in arcades. It wasn't until the 2000's that people ONLINE called them shmups. Most likely inspired by that retarded website. Even STG is a more legitimate term since it has been widely used by japanese publications at the time. So what if STG tickles your hipster sensibilities? Go cringe yourself into a coma, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 04:29:36 2019 No.5919674 File: 29 KB, 375x500, obsessed for women.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919668 Still at it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 04:32:13 2019 No.5919678 >>5919654 you realize you need to play to become less bad right?

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 04:33:17 2019 No.5919679 [DELETED]

>getting assblasted cause people say shmup
LOL nobody of note cares whether you call them shmups, shooters, shoot em ups or STGs. There is no end to this type of autism on /vr/, what kinda boring fuck spends time fighting against a commonly accepted genre name

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 04:57:02 2019 No.5919712 >>5919679 Gotta hate on shmup fans somehow that's the only way /vr/ can discuss the genre. A jarpig vent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 05:07:37 2019 No.5919725 >>5919679 He's probably the belt scrolled guy (weeb)

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 05:18:18 2019 No.5919729
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>>5919668
I bet you're one of those faggot weebs who cries whenever people use the term metroidvania instead of whatever dumb japanese term you pathetic losers use. People are just gonna keep calling it what they want and there's no amount of ass pains on your end will change that. How does that feel?

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 05:20:14 2019 No.5919730

>>5919667
I'd be interested in trying some, can you give any examples? I kinda like Salamander/Life Force, and S.C.A.T/Action In New York, though obviously I'm not very good at them.

>>5919678
I do realize that, but I think part of it is that for fast gameplay involving lots of dodging, I'm just way more suited for things where I can move three dimensionally, like Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, etc, and some 3rd person games, and I do pretty well in those, not a pro, but I would call myself a moderate.

Rise Of The Triad was a game that leaned very heavily on arcade shmup ideas, and was an FPS, and I took to that game very strongly, I wish there were more games like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 05:21:24 2019 No.5919735 >>5919729 Why are you like this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 05:25:35 2019 No.5919739 >>5919730 Fire Shark MD port is very easy but still fun

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 05:57:01 2019 No.5919778

Been playing two, and I haven't had good experiences. The one I committed to is extremely repetitive, way too hard to master, forces hypertapping, claw gripping and unreasonable endurance. Basically it's harmful to play it, and the game is, despite being addictive, poorly made.

They're not the kind of games worth wasting your life on. They're work without pay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 06:02:13 2019 No.5919794 >>5919778 Pick a shmup for you, there's easier and more relaxed stuff out there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 06:14:06 2019 No.5919814 >>5919794 I stumbled upon Einhander from a /v/ infographic from like 6 years ago, and that one is really good with sweet artstyle. The controls are busted bc you have to claw, but you can remap in emu so it's fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 06:22:14 2019 No.5919824 >>5919814 Don't shit on the genre if you barely know it and happened to pick a bad one for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 06:39:15 2019 No.5919835 >>5919824 There's nothing to know about, fool. Titles like skykid, xevious... whatever. Arcade high scores taking infinite hours to master. It's a genre full of autism, but little substance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 06:44:54 2019 No.5919839 >>5918310 >Why do you hate shmups so much, /vr/? Anytime you repeat stale memes the troll wins. Let them die and think for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:02:23 2019 No.5919851 >>5919835 Substance being what, frolicking in the forest adventure and deep emotional story?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:09:26 2019 No.5919860 >>5919851 t. seething shmuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:18:34 2019 No.5919869 >>5919851 Design that goes beyond dodging lazily placed projectiles all over the place. The complexities of a fighting game go so far beyond any shmup can offer and yet shmups are equal time sinks because of high score padding autism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:19:39 2019 No.5919871 >>5919869 You mean like scoring routes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:27:49 2019 No.5919884 >>5919871 Without that shmups wouldn't even be worth playing due to complete mindlessness. Still lazy game design with padded replayability. Highscore chasing is autism.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:31:50 2019 No.5919892
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>>5919884
>>5919869
Sticking 'autism' at the end of a sentence isn't an argument.

>Design that goes beyond dodging lazily placed projectiles all over the place.
I think Futari God Mode has like 2000+ bullets on screen at times flowing in intricate patterns that actually have solutions and can be beat by humans. I always found it amazing how they didn't accidentally make impossible patterns in bullet hells that only AI's could solve. (actually that might be the case for Inbachi sdoj)

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:32:10 2019 No.5919894 [DELETED]

>>5919884
Survival still requires plenty of strategy, memorization, dexterity and concentration. Nothing autistic about playing for score unless you make it autistic, but that applies to anything really, people even turn casual genres RPG's into an obsession

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:39:38 2019 No.5919904

>>5919869
>infinite hours to master
>>5919869
>The complexities of a fighting game go so far beyond any shmup can offer

If shmups take infinite hours to master how can fighting games offer more complexity or depth?

have you ever watched an annotated replay of a shmup detailing what's going on and the strats being used?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs66j3WBshc&

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:40:55 2019 No.5919908 >>5919860 >shmuck Are you the same autist from ages ago? The fuck are you still doing in these threads anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:42:53 2019 No.5919910 Imagine actually believing colorful patterns made in a day by some jap equals substance. Only shmup grindmonkeys could be this deluded. How is it possible to miss the point so badly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:44:21 2019 No.5919912 >>5919910 Each pattern's a different challenge or set of challenges that are deliberately designed by the developers, obviously it's substance what else would it be?

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:46:24 2019 No.5919914

>>5919884
The core mechanics being simple isn't a bad thing. There's a lot of depth with routing, and depending on the game just playing for survival is interesting on its own.

>>5919892
> I always found it amazing how they didn't accidentally make impossible patterns in bullet hells that only AI's could solve.
I've always been impressed with this too. Designing a good shmup in general is a lot more complicated than it might seem. I remember messing around with programming one years ago and realized how difficult it was to make fair but also fun and interesting enemy/bullet patterns.

>>5919839
Jarpig sounds funny and all, but it's kind of sad that every thread now has to have people accusing each other of hating shmups or others baiting shmup fans. I assume it's just a meme to act hostile and most people aren't that serious about it, but it gets old. It seems like there's a decent number of fans here, and they could probably have a decent discussion amongst themselves if they wanted. Even this thread has a fair amount of good discussion, even if it's mostly recommendation. I guess the people here that would want to talk more about them mostly go to other places to do it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 07:58:36 2019 No.5919924 >>5919914 >discussion from pedophile "strategy" space shooter fans You cannot possibly be serious.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:09:09 2019 No.5919934

>>5919904
>If shmups take infinite hours to master how can fighting games offer more complexity or depth?
Not him, but that's an interesting question to think about. You can spend a lifetime improving at any game with sufficient depth, but some games are more complex than others. Like Go is more complicated than Chess, at least in the sense that it's harder to write AI for playing, but you can play either one forever and they're interesting in different ways.

Besides having more possible actions, I'd say even simple fighting games are more complex to master because you have a human opponent. Trying to figure out all the intricacies of reading another person's mind probably gives more complexity/depth than any single player game even though you can spend forever with a lot of shmups.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:19:29 2019 No.5919940

>>5919910
I think those are illusions of complexity when we are dealing with human subjects. In terms of human players both Chess and Go will be equally mind-numbingly complex and offer infinite replayability, the skill ceiling being asymptotic in both cases, never being reached by any one person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:21:08 2019 No.5919941 File: 8 KB, 210x240, images.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919910 >substance You mean leveling up a toon and saving the princess?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:24:12 2019 No.5919945 >>5919941 I'm enjoying your seething rage from realizing mario is peak design compared to shmups

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:27:03 2019 No.5919947 >>5919945 Mario isn't even challenging platforming you fucking sped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:28:46 2019 No.5919949 File: 826 KB, 480x360, 1539359688019.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919945

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:29:31 2019 No.5919950 >>5919947 More intellectually stimulating than your whole genre, pedo

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:30:33 2019 No.5919952 >>5919267 It's less hypocrisy and more "don't turn out like me, kids".

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:30:48 2019 No.5919956 >>5919950 I'm not a shmupfan, so miss me with that weak projection.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:32:25 2019 No.5919957 File: 121 KB, 639x405, hitler deer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5919342 >>5919390 "Be the change you want to see in the world." ~ Adolf Hitler

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:32:48 2019 No.5919958 >>5919956 >seething shmuptranny deflecting you're not fooling anyone, bucko

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:34:09 2019 No.5919959 >>5919950 what games do you play? what are you playing now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:36:27 2019 No.5919961 >>5919959 battletoads

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:37:33 2019 No.5919963 >>5919959 Let's Meow Meow Do You Like Horny Bunnies? Tomba

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:38:37 2019 No.5919967 >>5919963 he wasn't even asking you, sad

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:39:24 2019 No.5919970 >>5919967 1v1 me in Tomba, see what happens

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:40:18 2019 No.5919971 >shmup threads don't get shitposted by seething rpgcu-

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:40:46 2019 No.5919972 >>5919970 i used to have one of those psx demo cds and i played tomba on it, but then forgot what the game was. it was a good feeling rediscovering that game, but i lost interest in the game

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:44:04 2019 No.5919975 >>5919958 Maybe one day your parents will finally give you the validation and love you were always neglected. But they never will.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:44:16 2019 No.5919976 >>5919972 It's a fun game. I first played it on that demo disc too.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:45:27 2019 No.5919980
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>>5919961
What shmups have you cleared?
why are you making all these weird arguments against shmups, saying they are too simple and not intellectual? they make no sense.

People who actually play the genre can critique it properly, but people like you just make frivolous arguments that expose your lack of understanding. Did you get assblasted by a shmup in particular? Was it a bullet hell? MMmmmmm?? or a classic shmup?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:45:54 2019 No.5919981 >>5919976 that game and kula world and yeah sth eerie about the atmosphere in tomba, it was comfy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:47:17 2019 No.5919984 >>5919980 battletoads

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:48:11 2019 No.5919985 >>5919980 There's some spiteful faggots who flock to shmup thread to shit on the genre. It's interesting though that shmup fans don't do this, and show absolutely no interest in threads dedicated to lesser genres. Wonder why.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:51:25 2019 No.5919986 >>5919985 don't boss around people anonymously then maybe you won't get shat on your shmup 'tism pedo tranny, ironic that its not good shmup fans but pedophile touhou faggots getting the most butthurt

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:53:26 2019 No.5919989 >>5919986 >boss around What did he mean by this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:55:26 2019 No.5919991 >>5919989 check discord

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:57:58 2019 No.5919994 >>5919991 >discord I don't use that cuck shit so going to have to elaborate buddy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:58:06 2019 No.5919996 >>5919986 where did the shmup touch you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 08:59:09 2019 No.5919997 >>5919994 too bad because you come off like the most humongous discord shmup tranny

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:00:12 2019 No.5919998 I do wonder what "boss around" is supposed to mean. Sounds like the anon's got an abusive relationship with some touhoutard on discord and comes here to vent or someshit lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:01:42 2019 No.5920002 >>5919986 Wow, this is a good post, you're really making /vr/ a better place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:02:20 2019 No.5920004 >>5919998 >lmao back to your tranny discord, you're not fooling anyone

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:02:22 2019 No.5920005 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8TWRxTVPE& Time to do some runs. What music do you guys listen to when shmuping?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:03:53 2019 No.5920007 >>5920005 I always just listen to the game music. I like hearing the sound effects and stuff too, so playing other music makes it hard for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:05:23 2019 No.5920008 >>5920005 seriously why is it so easy to imagine you weeb shmup faggots, you're like cardboard cutouts im not kidding

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:07:27 2019 No.5920009 >>5919997 >>5920004 Why are you avoiding answering a simple question? Can't stop "bossing you around" if I don't know what the fuck it's meant to mean

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:08:08 2019 No.5920012 >>5920009 check discord

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:09:17 2019 No.5920013 >>5920005 Game music unless it's Psikyo, in that case I stick on some fusion or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:14:34 2019 No.5920024 >>5920012 Well shit lad, if you're going to dodge a simple question with some gay discord redirect shit, how am I or anyone else supposed to stop "bossing you around" whatever the fuck that means. Keep shitposting I suppose

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:16:09 2019 No.5920026 >>5918310 I used to love them. They're just so repetitive, they hold nothing of value to me anymore. I'll play a new one every year or two, but it's more out of habit than anything else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:16:14 2019 No.5920027 >>5920024 can't do it with this kind of reverse psychology

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:18:58 2019 No.5920031 >>5918310 >Shmupfags ask why people dislike shmups. >Refuse to accept any reasons that aren't 100% objective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:20:15 2019 No.5920035 >>5920031 this is what triggered me desu fucking shmup trannies

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:21:14 2019 No.5920037 >>5920005 The music in the game.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:21:37 2019 No.5920039

>>5920026
try different shmups.
They don't really feel repetitive when you are working towards goals and trying to solve stages/bosses/routes. When things click and you figure them out they are really rewarding. There's always something new to do in them, new goals to set.
There is a lot of grinding involved but it's not mindless like farming shit in an rpg, you have to be on your toes and constantly thinking how to make situations easier, more efficient and less risky.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:24:00 2019 No.5920043

>>5920031
I think the reasons need to make some sense, that's all. Saying shmups are too simple and not intellectual doesn't make any sense for anyone who has put time in the genre and knows how demanding they are.

It's like someone playing fighting games for a minute and reducing the genre to just "memorizing long combos" and "button mashing"

They have no idea what they are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:24:06 2019 No.5920045 >>5920039 >farming shit in an rpg retard spotted, go on and tell me farming in WoW doesn't require strategy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:25:00 2019 No.5920047 >>5920031 Do you want to make a single post and drop outta the thread with no discussion?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:25:24 2019 No.5920048 >>5920043 >thought out genre with frame tested combos and a meta and human element vs >colorful tranny bullets shmupniggers are truly pathetic

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:26:15 2019 No.5920051 >>5920045 >>5920048 The funny thing is that this is the same faggot lmao

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:26:48 2019 No.5920054

>>5920045
>go on and tell me farming in WoW doesn't require strategy
I would run my bots nightly, farming tons of gold and materials and also PvPing for honor points. lmao. Not much strategy needed to setup a loop and click "run" before going to bed. Just don't be obvious about it and you won't get banned. I think I got one account banned in like 5 years of farming.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:30:04 2019 No.5920060 >>5920054 >cheating Case in point

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:31:11 2019 No.5920062 File: 94 KB, 555x550, what am i dewing with my life.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918872 >Arcade games are quite universally disliked here for this reason. Holy fuck, you complete goddamn bullshitter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:35:28 2019 No.5920070 File: 15 KB, 236x303, disgusting.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920045 >tell me farming in WoW doesn't require strategy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:41:09 2019 No.5920086 >>5920043 Here's one: The catharsis of overcoming the challenge of shmups isn't worth the time you have to spend.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:42:36 2019 No.5920090

>>5918913
I don't play Doom or Quake for nostalgia, or for the story, rather for the gameplay (as well as atmosphere), as well as the challenge, to fight monster encounters which truly test what I can do.
There's no progression system, only what you can do as a player, and the tools available to you in a map or episode (be that through items or the environment).

I don't get much into shootemups because I never seem to improve at them, and thus never enjoy the gameplay (maybe I have some sort of brain problem).
I used to kinda like JRPGs a bunch as I was younger, but I found I mostly grew out of them, because the gameplay really didn't entertain me, and the stories and characters I think are seldom very good.

I guess they just aren't a genre for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:43:15 2019 No.5920093 >>5920086 that's fine if you don't enjoy the learning process and only seek the high of the reward. I like both though, the learning process and the reward of attaining goals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:46:47 2019 No.5920098 >>5920093 Calling it "only seeking the high of the rewards" isn't fair since there are games that require just as much engagement but are much more popular. But I guess calling the learning process not fun for most is a valid take on it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:47:18 2019 No.5920103

>>5920090
>I don't get much into shootemups because I never seem to improve at them, and thus never enjoy the gameplay (maybe I have some sort of brain problem).
probably a visual problem not knowing where to look and how to identify patterns. once you understand how to look for negative space then gaps and path-finding become easier to notice and enter, and once you understand what kind of pattern youre dealing with the right way to react makes a lot more sense.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:48:58 2019 No.5920108

>>5920098
>Calling it "only seeking the high of the rewards" isn't fair since there are games that require just as much engagement but are much more popular.
So? Im just referring to shmups, if you only enjoy the "winning" aspect then of course you won't like the genre, since you're going to be failing a lot more than winning. If you don't see the fun in tinkering with the games and problem solving then it's best to look for something else.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:49:04 2019 No.5920109

>>5920039
I understand the appeal and I've played a bunch of them. But, while there is always something to do in them, it's no longer appealing to "work towards" those goals, because I've done so so many times.
Speaking of RPGs, what I'm feeling is akin to someone being sick of RPGs and you would be saying that there are new and different RPGs and you can always try to do skill playthroughs where you restrict yourself and stuff, but I simply don't enjoy the process anymore. I know exactly what I am aiming for and have achieved it before and so I know the time and effort isn't worth the goal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:56:13 2019 No.5920126 >>5920109 so now you play monster hunter?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 09:58:38 2019 No.5920134 >>5920126 I played 3G and enjoyed it, but why do you make that assumption?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:00:53 2019 No.5920137 >>5920134 inside joke, a big dick Shmup player recently quit the genre and is mostly playing monster hunter now

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:09:06 2019 No.5920153 shmups are fun, pure gameplay, don't overstay their welcome and offer a truly satisfying challenge. on the plus side they are usually visually interesting or downright beautiful and have great music. i'm a fan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:10:58 2019 No.5920158 File: 82 KB, 1086x615, saved.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918531 >>5918619 >>5918792

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:19:37 2019 No.5920175 >>5920158 Touhoufags are also borderline pedo with their taste for little girls.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:21:24 2019 No.5920182

I almost play rpgs only but I wish to try. Where do I start with shmups? I've little to no experience, just "finished" Gradius on emulator, played Twinbee, arrived at Ikaruga's fourth stage with five credits (in co-op) and finished Heavy Weapon and Sine Mora iirc. Nothing much more. I don't want to destroy world records or do 1credit runs, just to have fun shooting planes or aliens or whatever

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:32:50 2019 No.5920220 >>5920175 If you don't like lolis, you're honestly a secondary and you don't belong on 4chan.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:48:24 2019 No.5920253

>>5920103
>probably a visual problem not knowing where to look and how to identify patterns
Thing is I do it fine in Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, etc, I use lots of mobility, cover, and infighting (in the games where it's a feature).

I guess maybe it's the fixed third person perspective and not being able to see the actual forward which my frontal lobe disagrees with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:56:12 2019 No.5920264 >>5920182 Dodonpachi Batsugun Armed Police Batrider Gradius Gaiden G Darius Deathsmiles Tatsujin Metal Black Sengoku Ace Mushi Futari Original Dodonpachi Daioujou [black label]

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:56:57 2019 No.5920267 >>5920220 I'm glad I'm not you, holy shit dude. Get help.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:57:34 2019 No.5920268

>>5920253
>I guess maybe it's the fixed third person perspective and not being able to see the actual forward which my frontal lobe disagrees with.

Shmup visuals are totally different than FPS visuals, there's little to no transfer of skill. You just need more exposure to the genre, I doubt you have a brain issue, unless you've put in a hundred+ hours in a shmup and still can't make any progress.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 10:59:20 2019 No.5920271 >>5920043 Space ship shooter fags use the same deconstructivist philosophy towards other genres all the time your all fucking lashing out because you belong to a cult following that isn't popular or relevant anymore

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 11:22:53 2019 No.5920310

>>5920271
>your all fucking lashing out
How many shmup communities have you been to? besides the threads on 4ch? The ones who yell 'jarpig' over and over and are few and far between and usually get banned from most shmup forums/discords/etc. They also use sockpoppet accounts to make their opinions even louder, i.e Retardo, he even did that on /shmupg/ so his seething posts would get deleted along with dozens of his sock puppet posts, lmao.

>because you belong to a cult following that isn't popular or relevant anymore
This is what keeps shmups pure in a way, so we don't get bloated cinematic experiences like other genres or casualizing features.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 11:37:10 2019 No.5920339 >>5920310 >This is what keeps shmups pure in a way, so we don't get bloated cinematic experiences like other genres or casualizing features. >All genres are cinematic third-person action games

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 11:42:31 2019 No.5920349

>>5920310
Ugh will you shut the Fuck up with the muh pure gameplay? moving spirte in a pattern to avoid being hit by dot is not a complex thing that's why it's a dime a dozen genre because there so easy and cheap to produce do you have any idea the amount of code foresight and vision it takes to make Mario jump and feel the way he does, I mean really process that the joy of motion that one feels in those games. But please stay in your cult don't let others infect your pure undiluted games maybe then you'll all shit the Fuck up about dodonpoc no one gives shit so we can have more nuanced talk about games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 11:43:59 2019 No.5920358 >>5920264 based and shmuppilled

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:03:12 2019 No.5920420

>>5920339
>>All genres are cinematic third-person action games
why did you ignore the other qualifier in the sentence: "casualizing features" ? it's obvious modern gaming is getting easier, dumbed down and pandering to the lowest common denominator of gamer; also let's not forget gatcha monetization features, dlc schemes, loot boxes, libshit propaganda and other modern 'improvements' -- shmups being unpopular is a blessing in many ways.

>>5920349
>incoherent gibberish

>>5920358
right on

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:13:26 2019 No.5920439 >>5920267 >>>/reddit/ >>>/facebook/ Normalfags do not belong here.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:15:12 2019 No.5920447

>>5920349
>Mario
>joy of motion

People jerk off about this so hard, but what's the point when the games never take advantage of it? All the moves you can do in 3D Mario are barely utilized for interesting challenges, Odyssey for example never offers truly challenging levels that require mastering the hat. People get so excited about Nintendo doing this basic concept well, and just ignore that the level design never gets involved enough to match this "joy of motion".

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:17:16 2019 No.5920453 >>5920447 At least there's romhacks.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:29:24 2019 No.5920483

>>5920447
That's true with Odyssey and others. Even though the level design is really good overall, it's mostly easy and never pushes you much. But for 3D platformers, I can't think of much that even tries to have interesting platforming compared to 3D Mario.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:30:54 2019 No.5920485

>>5920447
Its about how you play it, you could essentially make any game an arcade game if you put in arcade type rules and limitations, I haven't played Mario Odyssey so I can't speak to that but the later levels that your forced to unlock by collecting stars in galaxy and 3d world especially the last fucking level are hard.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:39:24 2019 No.5920498

>>5920453
>>5920483
These are both me. Just pointing out that I'm not >>5920349. Not trying to make this into an attack on shmups, that would be stupid.

>People jerk off about this so hard, but what's the point when the games never take advantage of it?
I think making the basic act of moving around fun is neglected too much in a lot of games. Seems obvious, but if you're going to be running and jumping for the entire game those actions should feel satisfying. Even if it's disappointing when a game doesn't use the physics/movement options to their fullest, getting the feeling of motion right still adds a ton to a game.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:42:54 2019 No.5920506

>>5920447
Set your own rules if you want I do it when I play games all the time. I love forcing myself to do the rolling tumble jump diagonally across platforms in 3d world just because it feels good and its faster and its harder to pull off. This is why Mario speed runners exist push yourself to the absolute fucking limit if you want to or dont.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:43:30 2019 No.5920508 >>5920420 So why do you want them to be popular and force shmups on /vr/ then? You should be glad that they are niche and an anti-pleb filter.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:51:51 2019 No.5920529

>>5920447
>Easy games can't be enjoyable
When developing mario 64 they spend a lot of time just making movement by itself enjoyable. If moving isn't fun, then making challenges based around it isn't.
But if the opposite is true then at least moving though them is cathartic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:55:33 2019 No.5920536 >>5920529 I just don't see how moving in 64 is so much more magical than Crash or Spyro or anything else. People seem to be acting like just moving around the castle is some unprecedented thrilling experience.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:55:35 2019 No.5920537 [DELETED]

>>5920349
Mario's joy of motion's shit though, games like Umihara Kawase and N++ got it beat not to mention the levels are empty piss easy crap anyway. I don't know where you get this cult shit from you just sound dumb desu. Get a load of the Umi threads for some "nuanced talk" lmfao

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:57:40 2019 No.5920541 [DELETED]

>>5920529
Dumb meme parroted by eceleb watching /v/ tards, a game's movement is only as strong as its level design no one's but ultra-autists is going to have fun running around empty rooms and games with boring movement like GnG are elevated by good level design

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:57:58 2019 No.5920543 >>5920536 Momentum and a surprisingly large moveset is part of it. There is a lot you can do to optimize how you interact with the environment. Crash has the depth of a puddle in comparison. No opinion on Spyro.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 12:58:21 2019 No.5920545

>>5920420
Wow guess what shump fag Im an elitist to when it comes simulation games and have thee exact same thoughts, so by all means stop talking about your dime a dozen easily made shit tier genre lest casuals gain interest in it and pervert its pure gameplay

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:00:30 2019 No.5920548 >>5920541 There is a difference between levels not being challenging enough and having everything be a flat surface you dip >GnG >Good level design Pick 1

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:00:36 2019 No.5920549 >>5920543 Again, what's the point of the moveset if it's never truly useful? What if a fighting game character had 10 special moves, but only one was actually helpful for winning the match?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:02:27 2019 No.5920550 >>5920548 Not much of a difference both are dull trash that make a game unenjoyable to play and yeah GnG has good level design the fuck are you retarded

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:03:06 2019 No.5920553

>>5920541
There's more to it than just the level design. But I'd say Mario games have excellent level design too. Less challenging doesn't always mean worse. And games like GnG or Castlevania have good, satisfying movement too, even if it's less free than Mario games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:03:43 2019 No.5920554 >>5920536 That's probably why you enjoy shumps

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:04:06 2019 No.5920556 >>5920553 Less challenging means less deep/engaging so worse. GnG and CV movement is clunky and simplistic, do you even have any standards besides "I like it so its gud!"

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:04:36 2019 No.5920557

>>5920549
There are very few moves in 64 that aren't useful. I have not played the game in a while but the only ones I can think if are crawling (useless) and backflip/ceiling hang which are used mostly as crutches if a player can't handle more difficult moves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:04:50 2019 No.5920558 File: 24 KB, 480x360, sponge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920549 It's useful for jumping around and having fun. It's like you can't see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:06:30 2019 No.5920560 >>5920556 >Less challenging means less deep/engaging so worse. False. You can artificially make any game almost impossible without increasing depth .

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:08:20 2019 No.5920563 [DELETED]

>>5920560
More challenge does not mean more depth, but less challenge always means less depth since challenge is a multiplier, a baseline condition necessary for depth to even emerge. Otherwise all you have is breadth, a bunch of options you can use at your own leisure like it's some kinda autistic sandbox rather than an actual game

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:08:58 2019 No.5920565 >>5920558 It's silly when anons somehow only think games are rewarding if they increase the size of their e-peen, moment-to-moment enjoyment be damned.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:09:18 2019 No.5920567 >>5920556 Clunky and simplistic, but on purpose and with the right amount of speed and jumping physics, etc. You can easily have a game like CV or GnG where you move too fast or too slow, or jump too floaty, and it will make it way less enjoyable.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:10:14 2019 No.5920569 [DELETED]

>>5920565
Moment to moment gameplay means nothing if it's not contextualized by challenge lol, what you're saying is that you can come up with your own self imposed shit to make the games less of an empty waste of time but desu that's not for me I come to games for a structured GAME not a sandbox, can get my creativity other via other means

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:11:22 2019 No.5920571 >>5920563 Again, you can easily use the options given to you to complete levels faster, smoother and in a more stylish way. There is enjoyment to get gud at something for the sake of getting gud at it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:12:30 2019 No.5920572 [DELETED]

>>5920567
Too fast, too slow or too floaty for what? You can't even speak about these concepts without looking at the surrounding game elements ie level/encounter design. Besides Castlevania/GnG games all have different jump speeds and floatiness but that's pretty much a non element when deciding if you like the games or not while the level design absolutely is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:13:41 2019 No.5920576 >>5920571 >there's enjoyment in being a speed tranny coming up with your own challenges because the game's too poorly designed to entertain you Pass anon but you do you

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:15:05 2019 No.5920579 >>5920569 >you can come up with your own self imposed shit to make the games less of an empty waste of time All games are an empty waste of time.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:17:43 2019 No.5920585

>>5920572
Yeah, the movement has to match the level design obviously. But you could take the same levels and encounters, then ruin the game by changing the physics. There's also other factors like animations and sound effects that change how it feels to move your character around, or when the camera scrolls.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:18:22 2019 No.5920586 >>5920536 Then were probably not observing reality in the same way either, in the same way NPCs have no inner monologue our brains are viewing reality in completely different but ultimately just as valid ways

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:20:03 2019 No.5920590 [DELETED]

>>5920585
Then the problem would still be that those encounters are poorly designed to fit the controls rather than the controls themselves being poor. And GnG/CV movement's pretty much silent so you can't even apply the game feel argument there. I know you watched some ecelebs and think you're a game design pro but honestly you just come off as a giant fag

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:22:11 2019 No.5920597 File: 968 KB, 366x206, gorilla dance.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920590

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:22:42 2019 No.5920598 >>5920576 Real life doesnt force you to do anything either faggot if you can't discipline yourself your a failure and should kys

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:25:33 2019 No.5920605 >>5920598 LMAO this dumbass thinks he's disciplined cause he's fucking around in Mario, is that how you justify your speedrunning and hrt?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:26:23 2019 No.5920609 >>5920605 dude, you're shitposting on /vr/ in the middle of the day on a weekday

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:27:28 2019 No.5920612 >>5920609 It's not midday here you dumb burger, way to out yourself loser cunt

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:28:48 2019 No.5920615 File: 73 KB, 741x568, math.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920609 he seems like a poorly adjusted guy overall kinda pathetic really

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:29:58 2019 No.5920619 >>5920569 Why do you need an arcade game to force hard rules and dish out punishment if that's what your looking for? Maybe the way a person plays a game is just as or is equally as important as its inherent design

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:30:26 2019 No.5920621 >>5920615 Giving each other moral support after getting btfo? How sweet

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:31:02 2019 No.5920623 >>5920621 Get a job

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:32:14 2019 No.5920628 >>5920623 Have sex

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:32:33 2019 No.5920629 >>5920628 dilate

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:35:51 2019 No.5920635 [DELETED]

>>5920619
>why do you need a game to be designed around the playstyle you like????
I dunno maybe cause I'm not a retard who wastes his time trying to shoehorn arbitrary playstyles into babymode nintendo shit, back to your speedrunning general or where ever you came from gaylord
>>5920623
I have a job, you're the one posting midday retard lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:36:39 2019 No.5920636 File: 191 KB, 409x409, neet.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920635 Yeah, because I'm retired already

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:37:31 2019 No.5920638 File: 359 KB, 858x821, amazon wagie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920635 >I have a job, you're the one posting midday retard lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:38:03 2019 No.5920640 >>5920636 >anti shumps >Mario fan >NEET Can't say I'm surprised

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:38:49 2019 No.5920645 >>5920640 Who said I was anti-shmups?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:39:21 2019 No.5920647 >>5920645 I did, got a problem with that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:39:59 2019 No.5920651 >>5920647 As a matter of fact I do, I thought it was very rude.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:40:05 2019 No.5920652 >>5920635 When did Nintendo become for babies officially the GameCube? Or was it n64?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:41:39 2019 No.5920657 >>5920652 That stereotype technically goes back to the SNES having stricter content restrictions than Genesis. But GameCube more than N64.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:54:28 2019 No.5920681 >>5920635 wiggle your spirte and dodge the lasers in repetition faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:57:52 2019 No.5920691 >>5920652 With n64 nintendo was at least still trying to make good arcade-style games, e.g. F-Zero X, Wave Race 64, 1080, Star Fox 64, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 13:59:26 2019 No.5920697 File: 518 KB, 900x505, 1560436695279.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920691 >No more f-zero

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:00:20 2019 No.5920702 >>5920691 F-Zero GX > F-Zero X though

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:01:29 2019 No.5920704 >>5920702 Granted it was developed by Amusement Vision

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:02:32 2019 No.5920706 >>5920702 Yeah but GX was outsourced. The last time Nintendo tried to make one themselves was over 20 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:03:32 2019 No.5920708 >>5920702 GX is pretty much a Sega game borrowing Nintendo's IP, in every way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:05:44 2019 No.5920713 >>5920537 >N++ lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:08:43 2019 No.5920717 >>5920713 Plebs dismiss it because of its flash origins and graphics, patricians look past that and see the finest most polished momentum based platformer around with a supreme sense of weight

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:10:02 2019 No.5920718 >>5920691 Gamecube had 1080° Avalanche and Wave Race Blue Storm.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:10:53 2019 No.5920720

>>5920635
A lot of people conflate difficulty with fun I'm sure there's games you enjoy that aren't difficult but when you think or criticise them difficulty slips your mind what you really mean is that the game isn't stimulating you or that you just dont like it which is fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:12:35 2019 No.5920721 >>5920717 Platformers are a bit unique in how the enjoyment comes mostly from the movement. I know it's supposed to be some kind of masterpiece but as soon as I touch the controls it just feel wrong on every level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:14:48 2019 No.5920727 >>5920720 He seems hostile to the idea of anyone enjoying games that don't fit his criteria. Like if you said you like to play both JRPGs and shmups, he'd probably call you a liar or shit on you for not exclusively playing challenging games.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:16:13 2019 No.5920732 [DELETED]

>>5920720
All shitposting aside difficulty's conflated with fun because it's a very important component of fun. Even when you play easy games you're almost certainly going to be aiming for goals that add challenge to the gameplay. These self imposed challenges are very varied and can be separated into different tiers, some flow naturally from the game mechanics and incentive structures and are usually called implicit goals, some are more arbitrary or even run counter to the game design. But make no mistake, as far as gameplay-centered games are concerned fun cannot exist without challenge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:18:30 2019 No.5920737 >>5920718 Those weren't as good as the N64 versions. Oh, and Namco fucked up Starfox on the Cube.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:19:22 2019 No.5920739 >>5920721 N++ has some of the most fun movement out of any platformer, it just takes some getting used to

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:21:33 2019 No.5920745 File: 21 KB, 200x200, Platformers with tank controls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920739 I have gotten used to way worse. N++ is just too revolting to me. Hopefully I can get over it someday.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:22:39 2019 No.5920747 File: 114 KB, 640x360, bunny must die.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920745 Bunny Must Die is cool

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:23:22 2019 No.5920750 File: 427 KB, 546x407, jarpig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920727 If you can't post your scores, you're a filthy lying jarpig.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:23:54 2019 No.5920751 >>5920747 >Parrying lethal spike traps It really is. But the controls are not user friendly in the slightest.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:25:52 2019 No.5920756

>>5920750
Even if he has shit scores, he can still enjoy the games. I thought people were saying in this threads it's ok to enjoy shmups casually and play easier shmups? If someone plays multiple genres a lot, they'll probably have less impressive clear lists and score than someone playing shmups exclusively, but that doesn't mean they don't like them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:26:45 2019 No.5920759 >>5920745 Difference is the controls in that game are just shit in specific ways for no reason, while in N++ they're initially uncomfortable because of the deep, challenging physics

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:32:00 2019 No.5920765 >>5919952 Tru

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:36:58 2019 No.5920776 >>5920062 Just read this thread and check the catalog. Can't deny that most don't care for them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:38:13 2019 No.5920781 >>5920090 Finally a reasonable, non-seething answer. Funnily enough, it didn't come from a jarpig. Learn, faggots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:38:31 2019 No.5920782 >>5920776 Some countries didn't even have an arcade scene to begin with. It's a lot easier to discuss games you play at home.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:38:56 2019 No.5920783 >>5920781 stop being a retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:41:03 2019 No.5920785 >>5920776 Where do you go personally to discuss arcade games?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:41:36 2019 No.5920786 >>5920310 >sockpoppet accounts that was Cee bro

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:43:32 2019 No.5920793 [DELETED]

>>5920782
It's always bugged me that this fact didn't lead to an explosion of arcade appreciation where people would mass discover what are essentially superior versions of the types of games they loved as kids at home, games they completely missed out on due to no arcades nearby but which are now easily available due to emulation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:44:03 2019 No.5920797 >>5920508 different people

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:46:12 2019 No.5920803 File: 1.53 MB, 931x767, 1542825588893-2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920548

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:46:52 2019 No.5920808

>>5920793
I'm sure a ton of people from those countries did play stuff on emulators later and appreciate them. But I think most people move on to the latest games and don't look back besides maybe the types of games they played growing up, if not just revisiting the specific games they liked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:47:34 2019 No.5920809 >>5920782 There's no arcade scene to speak of around here, didn't grow up with any, but I still desire some arcade fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:47:36 2019 No.5920810 >>5920803 why doesn't the second on the right have an npc face?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:51:43 2019 No.5920818 >>5920756 again, you're not talking to the same person with the same opinions. shmups aren't a safe space however, it's true that usually those comments are said by people that play RPGs 100 times more than shmups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:51:46 2019 No.5920819 Should I play Soukyuugurentai or Kyuukyoku Tiger II next lads

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:52:50 2019 No.5920825 >>5920818 Maybe so, but playing casually doesn't mean they "hate shmups." Nothing wrong with liking RPGs and maybe playing a few shmups for survival on the side.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:53:19 2019 No.5920826 >>5920785 Sadly, nowhere. At best with personal friends. It's this dire. >>5920793 no nostalgic attachment for boomers, nor e-celeb praising for zoomers is huge unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:54:24 2019 No.5920828 >>5920819 The former is a more solid game but the latter is a more relaxed experience that's still fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:55:50 2019 No.5920829 >>5920825 it gets old when you get many like this on shmup communities and they can barely contribute, and even prefer defending RPGs to talk about shmups. it has happened believe it or not, that killed shmupg.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:55:57 2019 No.5920830

>>5920826
So the problem is deeper than just /vr/. You like arcade games, but you're not out there talking about them online all the time. This applies to a lot of people. Part of it is numbers, but I think a lot of people just don't care to talk about them on forums for whatever reason.
>>5920819
Soukyuugurentai

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:57:20 2019 No.5920837 What's funny is that shmups are my favorite genre precisely because of their 8-way movement. Just that is inherently fun to me, and it's hard for me not to enjoy a shmup even a bit for a while, it has to be really terrible for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:58:29 2019 No.5920839 >>5920830 yeah no shit it's way deeper than just /vr/, it's the same everywhere. /vr/ has a particular hateboner for them though

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 14:59:35 2019 No.5920841 [DELETED]

>>5920837
Well I hope the people posting about movement are just doing low effort shitposting and don't actually believe it. It gives you perfect control and feedback at the sacrifice of movement dynamics, but those are made up for with the game design and scoring. It's also not easy to nail movement in a shmup, it's easy to fuck it up and make the ships move too fast or too slow, or make the difference between the various ship modes too small or too great. With genres like this, the small details are everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:01:59 2019 No.5920845 >>5920839 /vr/ is at worst indifferent towards shmups /vr/ however does have a hateboner for shmupfags with a victim complex

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:02:36 2019 No.5920846

>>5920829
>>5920830
>can barely contribute
Is one reason because there's so many different games? Even if everybody on a board plays shmups, odds are you're playing a different game, so it's hard to talk about much besides what game you're playing and posting your scores maybe. Maybe people will care and try to beat your score in that game, but it's not easy to have an in-depth discussion about anything. You complain about people defending RPGs (because people attack them instead of talking about shmups), but on the other side there's a lot of complaining instead of talking about games too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:05:12 2019 No.5920852 >>5920841 I was posting about how I like Mario movement and agree with all this. I think it was just one guy complaining about shmup movement, might've been shitposting, not sure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:08:13 2019 No.5920859 >>5920845 this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:08:26 2019 No.5920861 >>5920220 Baste

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:15:27 2019 No.5920873 what happened?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:17:01 2019 No.5920876 >>5920845 and the hateboner is there because jrpgfags can't handle having their shitty genre getting dabbed on

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:18:33 2019 No.5920878 >>5920876 The whole thing is really one sided, it's not jrpgfriends that are seething. Just one or two so-called shmup fans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:18:44 2019 No.5920879 >>5920873 Just trannyjanny abusing xir powers again. Don't like JRPGs? Enjoy your 30 day ban and having all your posts wiped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 15:28:49 2019 No.5920901 >>5920879 Seems like it was about 3d platformers so good fuck him for not thinking their the best which they are

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 16:03:36 2019 No.5920960 File: 85 KB, 267x200, +_defd7045c7e658ba39fc220183041d69.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920873 This. The amount of deleted posts is confusing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:11:22 2019 No.5921073 File: 26 KB, 300x300, 2sad4u.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >beat em up thread died while I was at work

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:12:35 2019 No.5921074 >>5920220 kraut pls.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:13:04 2019 No.5921076 >>5920960 >>5920873 probably someone got banned. when you get banned, all your posts get deleted automatically.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:14:10 2019 No.5921081 File: 71 KB, 800x1200, lmao 2 plate.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5920349 >do you have any idea the amount of code foresight and vision it takes to make Mario jump and feel the way he does

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:17:52 2019 No.5921089 >>5921076 No, that only happens when the mod is extra seething. The tranny jarpig mods always do this to ricky (or people they think are ricky. I've been banned by a mod thinking I was him when I was on a fucking American IP).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:18:18 2019 No.5921090 >>5921074 >>>/instagram/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:20:09 2019 No.5921094 >>5921089 I don't know who the fuck are you talking about. /vg/ people, I assume?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:42:36 2019 No.5921129 >>5921081 Nintendo is for children

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:44:01 2019 No.5921134 >>5918310 cuz they are for faggots. thats why.

Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:44:42 2019 No.5921136

>>5921129
Edutainment games are for children (which are more predominantly on PC, which also happens to be the platform with the most adult-oriented (sex) games)
Nintendo games are video games for all ages. Like Pac-Man, Space Invaders, etc. Stuff you pick up and play intuitively.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 17:56:07 2019 No.5921167 >>5921136 And here we have an example of the "Nintendo-manchild in denial who refuses to grow up" specimen in his natural habitat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 18:36:15 2019 No.5921242 And here I though the console war shitshow was contained in /v/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 19:10:05 2019 No.5921283 >>5921242 Consolewar faggotry has infested /vr/ for quite some time now. It's unfortunate, but some people are unable to be completely insufferable pieces of shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 23:07:26 2019 No.5921723 File: 285 KB, 480x480, Torus Trooper.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918310 Nobody hates them. They're awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 23:24:00 2019 No.5921750 File: 3.48 MB, 1519x1519, Recca.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BEST SHMUP EVER COMING THROUGH

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 23:51:29 2019 No.5921806 Should I play Dodonpachi or Daioujou? What are the differences? >>5918335 The smallest 1cc embiggens the noblest shmupper

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 1 23:52:30 2019 No.5921807 >Tfw can't even beat RSG on saturn mode

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 00:07:48 2019 No.5921827 >>5921750 This is the least corpulent video game I have ever played. Mindless eye rape for shmup trannies on the spectrum. Play only if you want to foster mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 02:16:55 2019 No.5921937 Because they all have terrible music. Prove me wrong please.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 06:10:28 2019 No.5922181 >>5921827 >>5921750 You're not kidding. Physically painful to watch. >>5921937 https://youtu.be/K-PZixk0UgQ https://youtu.be/oTQIiIKummw https://youtu.be/IOSRTILzl1s And the entire 2hu OST to name a few. Genre may suck balls but the music is great.

Anonymous Wed Oct 2 07:13:43 2019 No.5922267

>>5921937
>>5922181
>shitting on shmups with weak bait
Your entire gaming and music opinions are thus invalid.

But just to make you look foolish:

Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi - Darkened (Boss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro5i_h9_G8g

Dodonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou OST- Saikou (Colorful Rainbow) (Stage 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798wg4Y6_AA

Battle Garegga - Stab and Stomp!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q01VRTyO5Yk

Cho Ren Sha 68k OST - Infinity... (STAGE 4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaIjLUsH2yI

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 07:39:44 2019 No.5922302 >massive deleted posts now this is what I call the old shumps thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 07:44:00 2019 No.5922306 >>5921806 ddp pure dodging doj a bit easier because you have i-frame & bullets cancel from hyper activation etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 08:02:42 2019 No.5922332 >>5922306 >doj a bit easier because you have i-frame & bullets cancel from hyper activation etc doj is harder 1cc than ddp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 09:17:35 2019 No.5922419 >>5921806 if you are a beginner I'd recommend Batsugun (original) or even special edition instead. They are great for all levels of skill, from new to superplayer. DDP and DOJ are notoriously difficult after the mid-game sections.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 09:43:13 2019 No.5922449 >>5922302 yeah I'm thinkin we're back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 10:06:21 2019 No.5922487 Anyone post Gate Of Thunder yet? It has a sick soundtrack. https://youtu.be/kwOfahTC8fg https://youtu.be/7fxmX_6xGGE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 10:30:34 2019 No.5922525 >>5918795 Mike my good man, Pentarou is also solid

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 10:37:39 2019 No.5922531 they're not really that fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 13:38:46 2019 No.5922861 >>5921807 saturn mode is a chore, takes longer to level up your ship. just play the arcade mode.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 16:01:09 2019 No.5923150 retardo where'd ya go?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 16:13:01 2019 No.5923164 >>5923150 he's banned

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 16:21:42 2019 No.5923186 >>5918310 Why don't you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 2 16:31:15 2019 No.5923208 File: 150 KB, 900x678, cursed nagoshi image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5923164 >seriously implying he actually bothers to sit out the tranny jannys' bans

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 06:11:36 2019 No.5924486 >>5923208 theyve banned his entire area for some months

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 06:19:43 2019 No.5924493 >>5923150 >>5924486

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 06:27:57 2019 No.5924504 >>5923150 On discord seething about jrpgs and mame while never actually playing any arcade games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 06:33:43 2019 No.5924512 Who is retardo?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 07:03:15 2019 No.5924538 >>5924512 legendary slayer of the jarpigs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 07:48:33 2019 No.5924571 >>5924512 guy who killed shmupg by turning every discussion into a jarpig debate or e-celeb gossip debate or raging about trannies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 07:52:29 2019 No.5924578 >>5918630 whats the point of stating how old you are? or rather, that youre older than 30?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 07:52:37 2019 No.5924579 >>5924512 He was SynthRicardo on the shmup forums, a lazy troll, but he got arrested recently and doesnt' post anymore. Here he is during an actual interrogation https://twitter.com/MarlonVids/status/1179483233764941824

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 07:53:31 2019 No.5924581 >>5918802 sokyugourentai is the best shoot em up

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 10:37:47 2019 No.5924812 >>5921937 fuck me this is the hardest bait i've ever seen

Anonymous Thu Oct 3 11:10:30 2019 No.5924871 [DELETED]

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>>5924579
>>5924571
>Complain about JRPGs
>Get sent to jail
So is the incessant arguing just anons memeing?
Feels bad though. Shmupfags deserve a proper place for discussion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 11:23:31 2019 No.5924896 >>5924871 >criticizing jarpigs is now illegal in the european union and classified as hate speech retardo was right bros...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 11:55:26 2019 No.5924963 File: 7 KB, 304x356, sakura3.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5924896 >spouts degeneracy >gets gassed Nothing of value was lost.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 14:17:20 2019 No.5925278 >>5924896 retardo is never right

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 14:19:27 2019 No.5925287 File: 8 KB, 303x259, mussolini_ok.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5925278 t. assmad jarpig

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 16:44:03 2019 No.5925581 >>5925278 *always

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 19:19:02 2019 No.5925987 >>5924578 Because he's a 14 year old desperately trying to fit in

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 20:57:19 2019 No.5926149 What style of shmup is similar to Soukyugurentai?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 3 21:11:49 2019 No.5926170 >>5926149 Lock-on shmups? There's the Ray series, Crimzon Clover, Panzer Dragoon...

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 13:19:52 2019 No.5927443 test

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 13:37:47 2019 No.5927485 >>5927443 You passed!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 13:58:30 2019 No.5927515 >>5926170 panzer dragoon's not a shmup.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 13:59:27 2019 No.5927521 >>5927515 getting kraut shmupg flashbacks

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 14:02:52 2019 No.5927531 >>5927515 it's a shmup in 3D, like starfox and sin & punishment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 14:22:22 2019 No.5927578 >>5924812 I didn't think anyone would answer me if I asked directly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:17:52 2019 No.5927975 >>5922332 In terms of 2all difficulty it would be DOJ>DDP>DOJBL

Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:27:50 2019 No.5927990
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>>5918327
I own a Saturn, and I got myself all hyped to find a copy of Radiant Silvergun just like any red-blooded Saturn owner. Then I played it through on an emulator just to see what I was missing.

I really didn't care for it. The weapon system is cool, but the enemies and level aesthetics are just nothing to me. They're like something out of any other generic shmup. At least now I can save myself a few hundred dollars.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:47:35 2019 No.5928015 >>5927990 >muh aesthetics OP confirmed for fag.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:50:22 2019 No.5928018 >>5928015 I'd rather play a game I naturally enjoy over forcing myself to enjoy one I don't take to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:51:01 2019 No.5928019 >>5927990 I think people exaggerated how great it was for a while because it's Treasure and expensive. I love the game, but wouldn't pay hundreds for a copy of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 17:59:47 2019 No.5928032 >>5927990 The music is really cool imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwdN2WwbOFs

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 4 18:16:22 2019 No.5928062 >>5928019 Yeah I'm feeling like it's the shmup equivalent of Earthbound; a respectable but not mind-blowing example of it's genre with a good pedigree that got blown out of proportion due to YouTube popularity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:44:47 2019 No.5928703 File: 38 KB, 300x420, n64_bangai-o_jpn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918803 ???

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 01:58:07 2019 No.5928715 >>5928703 if it doesn't autoscroll, it's not a shmup.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:43:21 2019 No.5928779 >>5928715 you're thinking belt shooters

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:46:03 2019 No.5928783 I have a mild mental disability which gives me "below average processing speed" meaning I can't do sports/reaction time/anything hand/eye coordination related. It's a shame, because I love the art for shmups, I'm just too retarded for them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 02:59:42 2019 No.5928794 >>5928783 Ask the Retroarch guys to put that runahead stuff in your brain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 03:05:12 2019 No.5928796 >>5928783 Maybe if you play more memory based shmups you'd be fine. Something like R-Type might work for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 03:13:34 2019 No.5928808 >>5928783 There's R-Type Tactics a turn based strategy game

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 03:38:18 2019 No.5928825 >>5918803 they got a star soldier episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewq7LGsz_9A

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 12:20:02 2019 No.5929513 >>5928703 Puzzle game. >>5928825 Well it looks like total dogshit, but I guess it does count as one shmup.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 12:27:05 2019 No.5929529 >>5920845 >>5920859 well looks like the tranny jannies got him and your SAFE SPACE is secure. now we can get back to talking about the Ikaruga OST in peace.

Anonymous Sat Oct 5 12:31:02 2019 No.5929542

>>5928783
let your eyes go out of focus. your problem is you have bad peripheral. you focus on what you look at and your bran isnt filtering shit properly probably. after you do this for a while you can stop doing it as you should be aware of everything thats in front of you. basically if im right when you play your eyes move around instead of looking at the middle of the screen. in shumps everything is patterns. if you move your point of focus by looking around it disorients your sense of whats in front of you for a split second because everything will be offset. you probably run into shots fired alot on bosses

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 13:48:47 2019 No.5929740 File: 25 KB, 320x304, bastard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5929529

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 15:33:45 2019 No.5929969 File: 12 KB, 296x320, Ismayonnaiseaninstrumentpatrick.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5918803 Is Star Fox 64 a shmup?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 15:42:14 2019 No.5929975 >>5929969 yes, a 3D shmup. it's too easy though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 20:20:48 2019 No.5930508 >>5918332 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 23:31:47 2019 No.5930830 >>5929975 post your world record if it's so easy

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 5 23:42:02 2019 No.5930847 >>5930830 to boring, i only go for WRs in hardcore games like doj.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 00:42:36 2019 No.5930965 >>>/vg/268121495

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 04:20:47 2019 No.5931213 >>5918310 >get hit once because the game shat 10000 projectiles everywhere >die >now have no powerups so the death is just a game ender

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 6 04:26:19 2019 No.5931219 File: 479 KB, 480x457, bee.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5931213 #1 don't get hit, get gud #2 being very hard to recover from is more for classic shmups, not bullet hells that shoot tons of bullets.

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