/vr/ - Retro Games

Remember, never fall for the scart meme!

>>5902652
One in every thread. Nothing to see here, moving on.

>>5902652
You're right though

>>5902654
I would hope there's nothing to see because it's common knowledge at this point that scart is a meme unless you're in a pal region. For a north american using a pvm it makes zero sense.

>>5902667
>Unless you're in a pal region
I was going to have a moan until you mentioned this. Scart is great here, it's nice to be spoiled rotten with a universal RGB standard that's been around since the 70's and is still common today.

>>5902667
Scart is not, and never has been a "meme". But arguing this on 4chan is so pointless I don't know why I'm spending energy even replying.

Play how you want to with whatever video input you have, but plugging your ears and screaming "La la la SCART doesn't exist / it's not good / looks terrible / not worth it" is fucking aggravating and legitimately incorrect.

>>5902652
Fuck off loser. RGB over Scart looks perfect.

>>5902729
>>5902740
you're missing the point retards. the argument is not against rgb, it's against the scart connector being used for pvms by north americans. it doesn't make sense to introduce pointless adapters into the mix when straight bnc cables exist and can be handmade rather easily.

but keep being triggered you fucking morons.

>>5902652
Found the poorfag

>>5902746
The eternal Amerilard flaps his cakehole

>>5902729
Except it is a meme in the USA, as someone who lives in the US and has friends who also use RGB for their consoles.
>>5902740
You're a retard for using SCART if you live in the US because none of your monitors/TV's have it.
>>5902758
Even amerilard can occasionally be right.
Bottom two systems have internal 220uf caps and 75 ohm resistors, and have luma exposed via RCA jacks. This way I can get RGB out through PS2 component cables.
Top two are parts consoles. One is a disc drive donor, the other is a PSU donor.
>That 550x/750x looks like shit REEEE
It's the back of the console. It doesn't matter what it looks like. And it's a 5501.

>>5903193
>none of your monitors/TV's have it.
Mine does, because I added it. And now I can buy nice premade cables for any of my consoles without having to pay out the ass for BNC.

>>5903208
>Mine does, because I added it. And now I can buy nice premade cables for any of my consoles without having to pay out the ass for BNC.
Yeah, how much did that SCART female socket cost you? How much more than four RCA jacks?
How much did your premade cables cost? Including shipping?
How much did your SCART switch cost you?
Also, I don't use BNC because I'm not full retard.

Hows my setup.
Also how easy are RGB mods? I'm fine with composite in for now since the tv is pretty far from my head but the picture is a little fuzzy when I'm up close.

>>5903223
>Yeah, how much did that SCART female socket cost you?
About $1.50.
>How much did your premade cables cost? Including shipping?
About $30 each. Worth it to me to not have to make my own cables.
>How much did your SCART switch cost you?
I don't need one, because I don't swap consoles around constantly. And when I do, it's only one connector to deal with instead of six.

>>5902654
>>5902729
>>5902740
>>5902752
>>5902758
>>5903193
Absolutely atrocious thread so far, keep up the good work boys! Oh yeah, and keep falling for the pvmeme everyone!

S-video master race reporting in.

>>5903276
$1.50 including shipping?

>>5903276
>I have eight consoles
> 8 * 30 = $240
No thanks.
I'd rather even drill holes and put jacks on my consoles than spend that much.

>>5903283
This is the true amerilard
RGB is too elitist and intellectual
>>5903278
>Absolutely atrocious thread so far, keep up the good work boys
Thanks

>>5903341
Sorry, it was $1.76 actually.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/232869426176

>>5903345
I certainly wouldn't, but suit yourself.

>>5903283
This is Chroma leader, is that you Luma leader?

>>5903356
I spent $20 or less to get RGB from all fifteen of my consoles by doing that.
At ~$30 each I could get a used car that runs and drives.

Could anyone help me figure out what might be causing this? I'm getting sick of replacing groups of capacitors and none of them ever really seem to effect it so I can't imagine it's them. I'd imagine this has something to do with deflection right?

>>5903446
What monitor?
And it could be a corrupted EPROM

It's a 14M2MDU. It's worth noting that it almost seems like it's interlacing the two different pictures, although sometimes it seems to calm down and just stay like that.

>>5903454
>>5903461
opps, meant to quote you.

>>5903446
it's going to be on or near the cpu/eprom chips (if it has EPROMs).
It could be a capacitor, but I'd suspect it's related to bank switching or you have a bad EPROM.

>>5903483
Well at least it's something to try. I'm assuming theres no easy way to fix those latter options is there?

>>5902652
I fell for the Extron meme. Better?

/crt/ im pissed.
posted here a while ago with my monitor that was giving me horizontal echos across the screen that made text almost impossible to read. the best piece of advice i got was to recap the neck board. and there were only 30 or so caps, so i got to it.
after recapping LITERALLY NOTHING changed. still the same shitty lines that makes text unreadable. I only replaced the electrolytic ones, could it be some of the other ones that are there? do those fail very often? i just dont know what else could be the issue. there are a lot of adjustments on the neck of the tube, but i heard you need apecial tools for that, and im very wary of messing with them.
is there any forum on the internet that i could get some in depth help with this issue? i really like this monitor and it would look amazing in 1920x1440, i just need to fix this one issue.
any help is appriciated.

hopefully this pic shows the issue better, along with the model number. ive never been able to find a repair manual for this thing, so any place to find obscure crt manuals would be great too.
basically, i know this place doesnt specialize in crt repair, so are there any forums that i can make a thread about this on? if all else fails i can ask the guys on the shmups forum.

>>5903828
Wow, thick and juicy scanlines, just the way they were displayed back in the day. 10/10 on the Memerrific Meter!

>>5903223
Not him, but also added a scart socket to the back. Socket was like $3 and all components to rgb mod counting that were $15, $5 of that was shipping. It's a great solution with a bandridge switcher.

>>5902661
Nice blinds.

>>5903426
The COPE is strong on this one boys.

>>5903808
Have you tried different cables? This could legit be caused by bad cables.

Scart is okay, it is kind of convenient to have everything in one connector. BNC and RCA cables are so easy to make and the jacks are so ubiquitous in A/V equipment that going scart is kind of restricting yourself. Any future crt, console, or equipment acquirement would have to be modified or bandaged with adapters to work with scart.
Making cables is pretty fun and very satisfying.
That being said, I do have a monitor with a scart connector, but mostly because the kiwi guy on here that sells expansion cards didn't have any of the bnc version.
Db25 is the real bitch of a connector.

>>5903776
those bigger ones seem like a pain in the ass, with the way they don't group the inputs together by number, so you need breakout cables that are long as fuck to be able to reach from one input to the next.

Definitely satisfied with my extron though. Just need to put a little time in making your own cables so you're not paying out the ass for all the hookups. Also FUCK PHOENIX CONNECTORS

>>5903193
>You're a retard for using SCART if you live in the US because none of your monitors/TV's have it.
With few exceptions, there need to be components built into RGB cables for proper functionality. SCART heads provide ample room for things like capacitors, sync strippers, etc. And don't even tell me to use a box instead, because SCART fulfills that purpose plus allowing for greater adaptability. I use SCART cables and my own BNC breakouts as well.

>>5903193
>hot gluing an RCA jack to the back of his PSX for sync
>calling someone else a retard

if you're CRT hunting, i got mine free on bulk trash collection day. neighbor had it in her front yard. might be worth it to check your city's schedules.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't send audio signal through one of the h / v channels on a switcher?

>>5902746

Americans can go suck an egg

when it comes to crt aesthetics I really love curved boxes rather than sharp angles

would anyone want one of these prision tvs?

>>5904032
its hard wired in, and i really doubt that its caused by the cable. i tested it, its grounded well and theres no short or restistance between any of the wires. past sdering in a new cable, i don't see how i could test that.

>>5904394
Yeah I think they’re pretty neat

i live next to a college (oregon state university to be specific). is this a good place to pick up a good old crt pc monitor? you think i could ask around some of the building and see if they have any in storage or would that be weird?

>>5904446
Yeah, you should definitely check it out.

>>5902652
This is true for burgers. For PALers it's great.

>>5904436
Wiring a cable is easier than replacing all the caps you have. My money is on the cable, a multimeter doesn't show everything.

>>5904460
>PALer
Is that the same thing as 50Hzer?

https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=2431294

>>5904623
No I am a eurofag, all my consoles are modded NTSC, I plug them with SCART to my PAL tv and they look great

>>5904712
Sorry all the games you played are butchered with lower resolutions and framerates.

>>5903283
Convenient, cheap, common, and >95% of ideal quality. Excellent.

>>5904394
They tend to be very input-limited, otherwise Ive always liked their iMac-ish look

>>5903208
>Pay out the ass for SCART
>Doesn't want to for BNC
lmfao.
Just use component, you would be better off keeping it simple for the same outcome.

>>5905452
fuck I hate phoneposting, I should of just posted it from my computer

>>5905457
It's likely 4chan screwed up the image, not you

>>5887573
>>5887663
how many people here live here in bellingham, I know theres at least one of you. spenser if you're reading this respond to my text

>>5905465
You know my phone's broken. Let's get teriyaki later.

>>5905482
no I didn't know your phone was broken lol where do u wanna go

When will CRTrannies take the xm29 red pill?

>>5904682
>tfw forklift driver and can move those pallets of CRTs very easily

>wanted to get an flashcart so I can play DQ3 on the SNES in english on my CRT
>check prices

>>5904735
It's the Germans that need to apologise, not you.

>>5905712
Go Chinese

>>5903808
>>5904032
>>5904436
>>5904523
It's 90%+ the cable/connectors. Impedance mismatch is causing signal reflection. At the very least thoroughly clean the connectors to remove any oxidisation/corrosion.

t. ex-telecoms engineer

>>5903808
>>5906649
I had the same problem and switching cables was the solution

>>5903808
>the best piece of advice i got was to recap the neck board. and there were only 30 or so caps, so i got to it.
Bad caps are often the cause of problems but they've become a catch-all scapegoat as well. Whoever told you to recap your boards didn't really know how or why it would help resolve your specific problem. If you had asked what it was supposed to accomplish in your case, they wouldn't have been able to tell you.

I got a free Trinitron, is a KV-29FS13 model, big and has both Svideo and Component inputs which is what ive been looking for.

Tried a few games and i noticed some defects on the video signal.

Some wavy lines on the screen, particularly seen when theres a black background.
Purple edges on the screen, curved top and bottom of the screen, and text looks lik it is bleeding.
On average, how expensive is it to replace the full set of cpacitors? i guess i should try by replacing all capacitors on the main board where the video inputs are to see if the wavy lines go away. The other issues must be manually corrected, im not sure if i would be capable of fixing them myself.

>>5906772
Ill post pictures of the actual TV screen at night so you can see it clearly.

>>5906772
Sony Trinitons usually have a "service mode" where you can adjust settings if you have the remote, but you could fuck stuff up if you're not careful.

its something like the Konami code.

>>5906796
Yes i have the remote, ill try to check it tonight but these issues dont look like they can be fixed in the settings. Ive seen these curved and discolored edges on some other TVs and it can only be fixed by opening the TV and readjust the yoke and magnetic rings.

>>5906796
The whole “fucking the TV up in the service menu” meme needs to die. There’s a 99.9% chance (100% if it’s a Sony) you can find the service menu online and default values, as well as descriptions of the settings, are always listed inside it.

speaking about calibrating CRTs... is there any homebrew app i can run on a PS2 that allows me to send a calibratijon pattern to the TV? i used to do that on Wii with 240p test suite, but i dont own a Wii anymore.

>>5906846
Some games include color bars the adjust the brightness. I dunno if there's one with the full color bars.

>>5906846
try mega drive or snes emulator with 240p suite

>>5906846
Get a calibration DVD you muppet.

>>5906896
link me the ISO

I had recently rediscovered /vr/ (used to be a huge game collector but sold before going to college, including my still in shrinkwrap TMNT IV Turtles in Time) and on a whim picked up a cheap large but not too heavy Magnavox to run my Wii through. When I move out of here I'll probably pickup a Trinitron

>>5906972
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html

>>5906842
>printed default values
>useful for anything
>anywhere near as useful as factory settings
Take photos of your original service menu settings, assholes. It takes just a few megabytes and less than a minute not to be a retard.

>>5906972
If there were any iso links, they'd be long dead by now. Just buy the disc, or rip a calibration video from YouTube and burn that to a disc if you want to be a cheapass.

My PVM makes a very loud noise when I turn it on and the degauss runs. Is this normal? I've seen videos of other people's and it doesn't seem nearly as loud as mine. Also, is it supposed to degauss every time I turn it on?

>>5907550
All normal, old TVs and PC monitors were the same way.

any tips on where i could find or buy a crt in new york?

Anyone know a good resource for service manuals that are either cheap or free.

Don't want to pay $15 for a shitty scan that may not even have what I need...

>>5907682
You’re doomed. Nothing good on the east coast.

>>5906649
you sound like you know what youre talking about. im in the middle of replacing the cable because its hardwired in. thanks for the reply.
>>5906750
even if caps werent the problem, i figures it couldnt hurt. they were 20 year old caps after all.

>>5907936
>i figures it couldnt hurt
further enhancing the popularity of the advice, nobody has anything to lose by telling you to do it and they can just ignore your real problem until you have

>>5906649
i tried cleaning the cable, scraped it within an inch of its life and all the pins are shiney, still the echos on the screen. tomorrow im going to begin replacing it with my best quality vga cable, a thick extron one.

>>5908443
Don't forget to clean the connector it plugs into as well.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link after all.

>>5907797

What's the deal with this Panasonic Tau TV? It is a 22 inch and the seller wants 50 dollars

Worth it? It has component on the back and my crt I'm using now is like a 20 inch Mitsubishi with s video

>>5909059
Taus are great, the best of Panasonic's final run of CRT TVs, so they're all flat tubes IIRC. Ask for the model number and look up whether its SVM circuit can be disabled easily. Whether the price is worth it is up to you, nobody else controls your purse strings.

>>5902652
>Remember, never fall for the scart meme!
SCART is the cheapest connector for aftermarket RGB cables and you can get a solid mechanical 6-port SCART switch for $60 shipped that outputs via RCA ports from Otaku Games.

Maybe it was a meme when the cheapest option for getting a switch with more than 3 ports at a time was importing a Bandridge and cleaning up the bad traces inside yourself, but SCART’s gotten a lot more user-friendly outside of PAL-land recently.

>>5909059
The seller is a douche. He was going to throw it out if not sell it to you. Might as well tell him "not interested," then the next day go to his dumpster and lug the thing home.

>>5909087
is there a way to DIY mod a SCART cable to Component?

also, is Component the same as RGB? if not wtf is RGB?

>>5909098
>is there a way to DIY mod a SCART cable to Component?
It requires an active transcoder circuit.
>also, is Component the same as RGB? if not wtf is RGB?
They're different color spaces. RGB is what it sounds like: separate red, green, and blue channels. Component is YPbPr, which are luma and two color difference channels. The color of the RCA jacks is irrelevant.

>>5909098
>is there a way to DIY mod a SCART cable to Component?
You chop the SCART head off and add resistors in the cable to transcode to YPbPr before adding the RCA plugs where your SCART head used to be. That’s essentially the business model that HD Retrovision uses, but if you’re going to be dealing with a lot of cables, you might as well just get a SCART switch and send the output through a $50 transcoder.

See >>5909104 regarding the difference between YPbPr and RGB, though he’s wrong about the active circuit. You need that for going from YPbPr to RGB, passive works just fine the other way around.

>>5909109
>passive works just fine the other way around.
Post your schematic. The most basic circuit I've seen uses three op-amps, most use six.

>>5909118
>Post your schematic. The most basic cuircuit I’ve seen uses three op-amps, most use six.
>https://www.analog.com/en/design-center/reference-designs/circuit-collections/ypbpr-to-rgb-converter.html

A look at the design of literally any HD Retrovision cable for a pre-Component console ought to indicate that passive RGB to YPbPr transcoding is possible. It takes no additional power outside of what already flows with the video output.

>>5909138
That's literally an active circuit, you dunce.
>It takes no additional power outside of what already flows with the video output.
Yes, they use the +5V power supplied by the AV connector, making them active designs. Passive doesn't mean "fits in a cable".

I assemble passive-aggressive transcoders. They'll convert between color spaces alright, but they're always dropping hints that they're qualified enough to do more important jobs.

Any potential issues I may run across attempting to use a model 1 genesis power brick with JP super famicom?

>>5909325
You won't be able to play your Genesis at the same time.

>>5909325
you'll give the snes blast processing which is like crossing the streams. DONT DO IT.

>>5902649
I just bought a 14m4u, I am using it for N64, Playstation 2 and GC. What is the best cable solution? Any links would be much appreciated and used.

From the googling that I did I need a BNC to SCART and then SCART cables for each console?

2 days ago was playing with the settings on my Trinitron, adjusting color and H/V size, configured everything just fine and turn it off, today i tried to play sme games and now sound is completely off on every input, BUT strangely enough, if i enter service mode i can hear sound working on TV RF mode, however, if i press vol+ or - or if i change the video input, sound goes off again.

I realized sound is working because i thought i might have disabled it on service menu without realizing it, but starting the TV on service mode using display+ channel 5+ vol up + power on, i can hear static audio since theres no coaxial cable connected.

What could be the poblem? its a Trinitron kv 27fs13 NTSC. To me it sounds like the main IC got corrupted or something.

>>5909956
Or use BNC cables for each console, though that's arguably more expensive. Either way works.

>>5909957
I'm sure you have read that 95% of the time, service mode isn't worth it. Younger me used to do the same shit. It's so hard to resist playing with settings.

>>5909987
i have the service manual and i only play with settings related to video output. That is unless i made a mistake and changed something else without realizing it.

Strange thing is i can get sound only on TV mode by powering on on service menu, if i try to do that on any video input, theres no sound.

>>5909956
Where are you?in the us, of the consoles you mentioned only the ps2 outputs rgb and the ps2 and gc do component. Component cables are expensive as hell for gc, but you can mod your gc and n64 to do rgb. Those two consoles would use the same cable, and I would recommend making a bnc breakout cable. It's cheap and easy. Otherwise you can buy one for like $50. I like bnc for stuff because emoat high end video equipment is ready for bnc. You can make component cables for the ps2 or buy them and get cheap bnc to rca adapters. Scart is great but literally all of your gear will need cable adapters.

>>5909991
Is there a factory reset?

>>5909974
>>5909996

I'll probably DIY some as I am comfy with that sort of thing but I just want to be sure that what I think I need is right. (RGB - SYNC - AUDIO)

https://retro-access.com/products/playstation-2-luma-bnc-and-rca-cable-pro-coaxial-multicore-for-pvm-monitor-extron

>>5910017
Yeah, that's all you need, with each line being grounded.the Playstation connector is a little tighter so it's kind of a hassle. The cable you posted will work and then you're done.
My main point was that bnc should be the easiest path moving forward. Your broadcast monitor is ready for it.

>>5910037
Nice, there is just so much BS out there about SCART I over complicated it. I live far away from anyone that would know anything about this so you saved me time and money. Thanks.

>>5909998
cant find anything on the manual about factory reset.

>>5910037
Looks like for GC/N64 I'm going to use S-Video for now.

>>5909957
>>5909991
>>5910049

nevermind, just set every seting on service menu to what it was set to in the manual and everything is working fine now.

Anyways, how hard is it to fix convergence on a Trinitron consumer CRT? i have severe color bleeding on the left side, to the point at which text is hard to read, all i need to do is play with the magnetic rings, but ive never done it before.

Well boiz...

The good news: the old CRT works. The bad news...T2 for the Genesis is absolute ass. At least once I get some gud Genesis games they will look snazzy :)

>>5910158
That game was ass on snes too. I never made it past the first (I'm assuming) motorcycle part.

Ive never serviced a CRT, but i know how to solder and check for basic electronics values.

Anyways, im having issues with a Trinitron 29" CRT, specifically geometry, this TV is a flat screen, and the top and bottom edges are somewhat curved to the inside, likeif someone was squeezing the TV right in the middle, i want to replace the capacitors that are related to the geometry but i have zero knowledge in TV rerpair so, the only thing i have is the service manual with details about every component present on every board, with its values and location.

However i dont know which ones could be related to the geometry and video signal. Can anyone give any hint as to which ones i need to replace? i can post the link to the service manual.

>>5910226
This is the manual for the exact model i have.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/919508/Sony-Trinitron-Kv-29fs13.html

Board diagrams start at page 23 and on page 43 theres a list of every capacitor on every board.

>>5910224

The controls are just so easy and the design is just so lazy it's sad.

I played The Lion King which is a much better game but it's hard as balls, I can't get past level 3 yet. And I have Vectorman and the first X-Men that I haven't played yet.

>>5910236

*assy not easy, autocorrect

>>5907682
theres an ebay auction for one right now
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Trinitron-KV-27FV17-27-CRT-TV-Television-RETRO-GAMING-BEAUTIFUL-PICTURE/153590889437?_trkparms=aid%3D777001%26algo%3DDISCO.FEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40719%26meid%3D56705408685944bd8a96e130cec1c652%26pid%3D100651%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dag%26itm%3D153590889437%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2481888&_trksid=p2481888.c100651.m4497&_trkparms=pageci%3Aba7e307d-e0e7-11e9-b0f1-74dbd1807e7b%7Cparentrq%3A7131bd5516d0aa11f0e62a57ff8a4eef%7Ciid%3A1

>>5910389
Shit this is the same model i have here
>>5910226

It looks great, speakers are surprisingly loud and clear, good bass. It has Svideo and component. Didnt know CRTs were that expensive in the US tho, i got mine for free

>>5910395
Unfortunately many people here jack up the prices for CRTs solely because they know others want it for retro gaming. 10 years ago you used to be able to easily find televisions on street corners and front yards.

Digital Foundry hopped on the CRT bandwagon
https://youtu.be/V8BVTHxc4LM

Is it just me or is it a bit irritating to have people now getting into this after a decade ago those same people were looking at us as weirdos obsessed with obsolete technology?

well, i did a whole ass cable swap on the thing and nothing changed. i made sure all of the connectors were shiney, including the one on the neck board. i checked the resistance of the cable and it was 1.2 ohms on all of the connections. im not sure if that changed anything, the new cable was about the same length and it had about the same resistance.
i appriciate the help ive gotten in this thread, is there any more specialized forum i could be pointed to? im inexperienced here, but it obviously isn't the cable, so its either the electronics or the tube is bust.

>>5910513
You need to recap everything a second time. Trust me, I'm an ex-telecoms engineer.

>>5910524
i only did the neck board last time, and i was thinking it might have to do with the power side of things since its a problem on all 3 colors even after recapping the neck board. i suppose i only have so many options.

>>5908708
Its 2019, Google is just there to find shit to sell you. Besides, I've tried already. I thought I'd ask he to see if anyone had any information besides "change duh caps!!", but I guess not.

>>5910545
could try doing the deflection area, that would be the most likely place to look next.

>>5910498
>weirdos obsessed with obsolete technology?
That's still how it looks to most people.

>>5911034
This, going from 10k people in the US to 50k interested people isn't that much of a jump in the scheme of things. If you were one of the 10k then it seems massive.

>>5910875
>Google is just there to find shit to sell you
This is only the second, less important part of the standard internet double-dip. The first is to sell *you* to advertisers.

>>5909956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAi8AVj9GV8&

My caps my caps, it's time to swap my caps

>>5911459
Yeah this is where I figured should use SCART since that's what they recommend but people in the thread here are saying seeking out or making RGBS makes more sense. I don't have many consoles anymore so I think I am going to go that route. Went from collecting for everything to just a few consoles.

>>5903486
Someone might have dumped your EPROM and uploaded it somewhere.
>>5903808
Cable is legit a good suggestion to replace
>>5904026
Thanks, I sleep at night sometimes
>>5904025
Nice expensive scart cables bro
>>5904227
>having a working PSX outputting RGb for next to nothing, with a jack that can easily be removed should I ever build my own proper cable
>>5904394
They would be cool, if they were nicer quality
>>5905457
I have jpegtran installed on my phone in termux so I can fix rotation losslessly on the go
>>5905462
Sort of, but 4chan strips exif data which is a good thing. jpeg can be losslessly rotated at 90 degree intervals, so cameras in phones should do that instead of depending on metadata.
>>5905712
better than PSIO at least last I checked
Or
>earthbound
>>5906846
>using a console to calibrate a TV
actually retarded. You'll never get consistent black levels between consoles.
>>5907550
>is it normal that degauss makes noise on my trinitron
Underage detected.
But yes.
>>5907682
>NY
City or state?
>>5909059
Nice looking set, though I don't love flat tubes.
Panasonic makes/made some great shit though. Also made some of the nicest plasmas I ever saw.
>>5909956
How much work do you want to do?
N64? Use S-video unless you have money and/or soldering skills and an early unit.
PS2? Component cables.
GC? Expensive digital A/V component or RGB adapter, or a Wii.
RCA -> BNC adapters are cheap.
>>5910513
Check the terminating resistors on the board. If any look burned/cooked, replace them.
Have you tried a different VGA source? I've had older graphics cards do this to me when they were the problem.

Pictured: Famicom over RF, because why not. Got another one in the mail today.

>>5912143
>>5910513
Specifically I have an nvidia TNT2 card that made this interference pattern until I recapped it

>>5912143
>Underage detected.
wrong you dumb nigger. I was asking about how loud it is. My shitty JVC when I was younger never made a noise nearly that loud.

Everdrive N8 appears to make a lot more RF noise than my original carts/repros do.
Of course, if I had an actual japanese RF tuner that might have helped matters a bit.
Good thing I am going to AV mod this anyway.

>>5912173
That's because it wasn't a trinitron, nigger.
Are you telling me you _never_ saw a trinitron of any sort power on? I mean, they came with a lot of dell PC's for a while.

>>5912181
No, we never had high end shit when I was younger, refurb PCs from my dad's office, and no Sony TVs/monitors. None of my friends did either. How is someone who's never seen a trinitron before supposed to know something supposedly distinct?

>>5912191
None of your friends had any? Your school had none? Libraries had none?
I mean, not all trinitrons were that expensive.
What third world shithole did you grow up in? Either that or you weren't out of grade school when CRT's died.
Actually, never mind that. My grade school had Dell branded trinitrons on all of the computers in the computer lab in the mid or late 90s.
Also the original imacs (okay, fine, those were a little higher end) all had trinitron tubes and made this noise.

>>5912206
>Also the original imacs (okay, fine, those were a little higher end) all had trinitron tubes
No they fucking didn't. Some of the older all-in-ones had AG monitors but the iMacs were all shadow masks.

>>5912215
I was thinking of the eMac, sorry.
The eMac did have a trinitron.

>>5912206
Just stop replying, you're embarrassing yourself. Not everyone grew up with money in their household. Also, my school in kindergarten had those disgusting imacs G3s if that's any indication of my age, but no I've never heard one power up since they were always on in the computer lab. Definitely not a cold power on.

>>5912220
You didn't even need fucking money in your house
just go out in public and you'd see dozens unless you live in a third world shithole.
Again, there were rooms and rooms full of these things in _indiana_. Not exactly a shining example of wealth.

>>5912223
>just go out in public and you'd see dozens unless you live in a third world shithole.
What situation would you be in in public to turn a monitor on or off and on? Holy shit you're a real fucking autist. Even if I did see one, why would I be doing this?

>>5912230
IDK, a fucking library?
A computer lab?
An information kiosk?
A job?

JVC gang rise up. Spent 3 hours trying to get it working and even though it was tiring, and frustrating it was also extremely rewarding and satisfying to get it running. Now I’m just sitting here with the warm glow or two tubes and just enjoying the super Metroid demo sceeen as I drift off to sleepy land. Comfy af. Man I love this hobby.

>>5912252
Hell yeah JVC/Matsushita/Panasonic are the best.
Not sure why you have trinitrons in that pic though, inferior sets that they are.

>>5912246
>a fucking library?
I don't recall any screens at all at my library until years later. I only went for books anyway the few times I went.
>A job?
Why would I have a job when I was in kindergarten? Are you actually fucking retarded?
>An information kiosk?
Why would I be playing with these turning them on or off in public? I'm not autistic.

How is it so hard for you to accept that someone who asked a question about a trinitron had never seen or operated a trinitron before?

>>5912256
>kindergarten was the last time you saw a CRT
Underage confirmed

>>5912257
>imac g3s
Someone can't fucking read. I think it's time to get your eyes and/or your brain checked, old man. I was in kindergarten in 98.

>>5911001
i wanted to avoid messing with that, messing with live crt stuff is scary, plus i could fuck it up really bad

>>5912143
ive used it with 3 different computers so far, all the same issue. i will check the resistors with a multimeter, but there was nothing wrong with the look of them.

>>5912291
hm, probably isn't a resistor problem either, then..
Does it happen at lower resolutions, too? (try 640x480 or 800x60).

>>5912291
also:
Does it happen if you disconnect one or two of the color signals? It could be that the pattern is only being caused by something on the blue line, for instance.

>>5912294
800x600 sorry.
Also it could be a grounding fault. You could try a different power cable or a different socket.
This is less likely than the other stuff I've mentioned by far though.

>>5912254
Picture quality wise, I find my Trinitron better. The JVC has a more saturated color palette. It’s definitely not as accurate. But I haven’t done any setting changes. Maybe I can adjust color temp. I’m told that RGB on the JVC monitors is as is, no way to change anything. Anyway. It’s under 16” viewable and honestly feels like a 14incher. I much prefer the near total 20” viewable of my Sony, and much prefer the 35” of my Mitsubishi presentation monitor. Need to get that bad boy setup. Next year :)

>>5904020
Well, yeah. That's how it always looked. You never paid attention apparently.

>>5912252
Stealth brag - the post.

>>5912294
>>5912298
ive tested each color signal individually and its on ever color. and yeah it happens on whatever resolution, even stock 1024x768@75hz.

>>5912143
There's no "sort of" when it comes to the idiocy of stripping the orientation exif tag regardless of what cameras should and shouldn't do. They could have implemented selective code that deals with what many phone cameras are *known* to do, but they didn't.

>>5912334
I've not experienced that at all. What phosphors are in your tubes? That matters.
>>5912383
how about 640x480@60hz, though?
At this point recap the entire frikkin board or find another better monitor I guess
>>5912402
Or phones could forget that EXIF tag ever existed and implement rotation sanely

>>5912408
and again I suspect power supply problems at this point.

>>5912408
>Or phones could forget that EXIF tag ever existed and implement rotation sanely
which is clearly under the control of this imageboard, and the reason it displays images properly like any modern desktop image viewer

>>5912416
i have my photo viewer set to ignore EXIF metadata so I can find when I have shitty photos.

>>5912418
so what, anon

>>5912408
yeah, ive tried every resolution option the nvidea software gives me. i would get a new one, but i live in oregon, all the local crts here are snatched up by scalpers and sold as RETRO GAMING MONITORS. i cant find a decent one within a 100 miles from here for less than 100 bucks. i already paid about that much for this one, and that was off of ebay.

>>5912437
Fuck you, recap it all and if it still fails, recap it again.

/crt/ - capacitor replacement thread

What kinda scart cable do I need if I want to play PS2 on my DT-V1710CG?

>>5912883
You don't need scart. Don't fall for the meme.

>>5913112
Yes I do, I only have a scart input board on my tv.

So after years of not having a CRT, I finally got one and yes, I am using a scart RGB cable. It definitely looks (and sounds) better, especially in motion.

>>5913269
Then get a scart cable that uses csync and high quality mini coax conductors.

>>5913305
>not playing the superior PC version

>>5913452
Oh hell no I will argue you to the death. As a kid NFS3 on the PS1 was my life and it's the most important game there is to me. I also had High Stakes on the PC which I still play to this day, even online. But the PS1 versions are better imo, especially High Stakes even if it has framerate issues and the only cockpit view is a low-res one you access through cheat codes.

>>5913451
what do you mean with mini coax conductors?

>>5913465
It means recap your TV

TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY UNITED STATES DOLLARS

>>5913931
Why would anyone want this when extron matrix switchers exist.

>>5913970
>extron matrix switchers
Do they take scart?

>>5913931
>>5913970
Why would anyone want either when I have legs and hands Like Nigga Just Get The Fuck Up And Walk To The TV And Plug In The Fucking Cable Ha Ha Ha Hahahahaha

>>5914152
I take it you’ve never seen the fucking clusterfuck that is the mess of having 8+ consoles each with with their own scart cables. It actually discourages you from switching. Some people have multiple displays as well. Don’t get me wrong, scart is fine for 96% of people, but if you’re at the point where you need a giant scart switcher, you might as well make the switch to an Extron crosspoint.

Also, I would like to know something about the scart switchers that are being sold by some retro sites. But are they actual powered amps? I know that passive solutions actually degrade the signal.

>>5914048
Non.

>>5914048
Of course not, they are professional broadcast-quality equipment.

>>5914184
>>5914157
what cables do I use?

>>5914285
Just use scart unless you have 8 or more consoles and less than 4 displays.

>>5914285
VGA or BNC

Anybody in the pic related area looking for CRTs? I'm looking to downsize.

bvm-1201 - $50
mitsubishi diamond pro 2070sb - $60
pvm-8045q - $80
pvm-8045q - $80

The tube on the bvm is a little tired (slight yellow cast) but the image is fine and it takes RGB. The mitsubishi is a fucking massive PC CRT (20") that takes input up to 1536p but no longer has the focus to actually resolve at that res. Razor sharp scanlines up through 768p though. The lil' pvms are in good condition with pretty late-model tubes (~2003, would need to double check).

I don't want to ship these things and I actually trust you guys more than purely random craigslist weirdos. Reply to this post if you're interested and I'll set up an airmail and a google voice number or whatever, i'm a little paranoid. Willing to take example shots if you tell me a game you want to see.

>>5912252
cute Roll

>>5913931
You know, it's a real damn shame it's so expensive because I think it's a great piece of euipment. I think the auto switching is a great feature. I went with an extron, and even with the extra cost of specialty bnc cables and phoenix adapters, it's cheaper than getting a gscart and scart cables. Extrons are just so much cheaper than the gscart than bnc cables are more expensive than scart cables. Plus, you can pass other types of signals too if you're not doing RGBS. That alone beats being stuck on just scart.

>>5914907
can extron do rgb without bnc? it seems to me scart is half of the bnc right? otherwise the all in one bnc cables are pricey arent they?

Dreamcast VGA doesn't work on my tv. Are these instead a good idea?

>>5914937
Only BNC. But like I said, it's nice if you have stuff in other formats. BNC to RCA adapters are dirt fucking cheap (1 to 2 bucks) so I can use component over that and not spend money on something like a Garo to have everything hooked up to a scart switch that isn't scart. Basically, pick your poison. Expensive cables and flexibility, or expensive switches. If you are only using scart and are only ever planning on using scart, it may make more sense to not go with an extron.

>>5914937
Also, scart breakout boards do exist if say you wanted to get an extron, but already had scart cables and didn't want to spend all the money on new bnc cables for your console. The cost of a scart cable + the breakout board is about the same or slightly higher than just a bnc to whatever multi out cable. Again, it's all dependent on what's best for the kind of setup you want.

What's the ideal Extron switcher to get? Mainly looking to switch component.

I wouldn't say I know fuck all about CRT TVs, but I know close to fuck all. When I was a kid we just bought whatever TV was cheapest at Kmart and that was that.

There's a local older couple who has a Sony KV-36FS16. Looks really nice in pictures, but what are your anons' opinions of it? I know WEGAs are flat-screen and some people say they suck for retro gaming, but why is that? Is it because the curvature and bezel on regular CRTs hides the garbage some games (mainly NES games) render?
They're giving it away for free of course, but I'd need to hire some Mexicans with a pickup truck to transport it for me, as the thing weighs over 200 lbs. without the stand.

Tell me why or why not I should bother with this honkin' beast of a CRT TV. I have no old consoles currently, but I'd like to pick up a SNES, Genesis w/Sega CD and PSX in the near future. I feel like getting a CRT TV would be the obvious first step though, and I'd like something 32 inches or bigger.

>>5915120
>What's the ideal Extron switcher to get? Mainly looking to switch component.
Assuming your display and cables use RCA connectors, a non-Extron component switch with RCA connectors.

>>5915013
>. BNC to RCA
Yeah that's what I have right now. Been looking into getting RGB.

>>5914972
What TV?

I just traded out my 1080p monitor for an older Dell CRT. Colors are pretty fucked on it (especially on the edges, it looks like someone held a magnet up to it. The screen is super yellow, but I still really love it. Talking to another guy on craigslist that has 7 CRTs in his storage

>>5915148
I had a 36” Trinitron and gave it away. It’s just too big to do anything either. Adjusting the convergence was a total pain in the ass and after 5 hours it still was bad.

The absolute largest I could do is 33” and even then it’s too large to move around stairs. I have a 37” Toshiba AF43 and I’m super happy with it.

My advice anon, wait and you’ll find something that’s manageable

>>5915545
It bothers me that your parentheses have no closing parentheses.

It feels like I'm forced to hold my breath.

>>5915727
I fucked up.

>>5915714
Goddamn mobile posting. I meant 27” Toshiba.

Flat screen CRTs are fine for the most part. The complaints come from convergence tuning, it gets difficult to get it near perfect unlike the curved screens.

The other issue with flat glass CRTs are the sets that advertised to be “HDTV” those fuck with the 240p signal, essentially the same as using a new LED/OLED which defeats the whole purpose of seeking out a CRT.

Stick with Sony, Toshiba, JVC sets and you should find a great set for the SNES and Genesis

>>5915530
HDTV

>>5915857
Which one?

>>5915873
Sony KDL 40EX402

>>5915165
Ok what's a good component switch that isn't a piece of noise inducing chinkshit?

>>5916131
not him but basically any component switch will do. The safest bet is to just get an unpowered mechanical switch.

So i was looking online for how to fix my CRT monitor's yellow tint and it looks like i'd have to open it up and do some soldering. Worth it for an old Dell?

HOW? How do you fix a failing blue gun (or any color for that matter)? I'm pretty sure it's a case of bad contact, because when I bitch slap the monitor it fixes itself until it happens again. I'm pretty tired of smacking my CRT to be honest.
I was thinking of opening the CRT and checking the board with the gun base. Maybe there's something there. Pls reply.

>>5916229
>>5915165
But there is no technical reason stopping me from buying a RGBHV Extron and bnc adaptors and using it for component video correct?

>>5916229
>unpowered mechanical switch
With good cables and connectors, a short overall cable run, and low resolutions like 240p to 480p, this works just fine.

>>5916750
>Worth it for an old Dell?
Most CRT PC monitors are worth saving, as long as you don't screw up. Dell specifically often used Sony tubes. I'd flip your question around a bit, are you experienced enough to work on something as nice as a typical Dell monitor? Well-meaning anons who lack experience in electronics repair should cut their teeth on less important/valuable devices, like portable radios.

>>5916751
Bad contact is probably it. Other than the obvious like loose connections, you can look for cold solder joints that could use some simple reflowing.

>>5915545
Congratulations on falling for the new meme of PC CRT monitors! Absolutely memerrific!

>>5916868
I mostly have work in circuits in Guitar Pedals and synthesizers. It looks like the outer siders of the monitor had been messed with by a magnet by a kid and I tried Degaussing to see if that'd work. The model is Dell E773c

>>5916904
I'm getting a nicer swivel stand for my QNIX 1440p, once that gets in I'm going to have it above my CRT. It's a lot comfier and watching cartoons and anime on it is really nice

>>5915545
Gotta buy nearly new pieces or just get a better (((modern emulation set-up)))

Just be patient and you can find a good monitor. IME dealing with multiple half broken displays is a waste of time and money but people do list NOS or near NOS condition pieces almost every month still for near the going rate.

>>5916867
Correct
>>5912443
I'm currently recapping one of my playstations but not because it's video quality is bad or anything. It just randomly stops working after a while and then I have to let it sit for about 45 minutes before it'll read a disc again. Which might have to do with a capacitor discharging.

Makes sense to me anyway, sometimes.

>>5903193
>One is a disc drive donor, the other is a PSU donor.
sad to see them meet this fate with out any attempt at repair. if you need a cd drive buy one from china, they are cheap and plentiful

>>5903283
so good
>>5903353
>RGB is too elitist and intellectual
no you faggot, svideo is so good and we dont have rgb at all, has nothing to do with any of your delusional bullshit and everything to do with availability,,

>>5903808
Recapping things has become a kind of internet "fix all". Part of the "recapping" craze was due to products that were manufactured between 2003 and 2006, because of a bunch of stuff was breaking down because of the infamous "bad capacitor" scandal - resulting from a stolen formula that was missing a key ingredient, whereby capacitors made with that formula soon failed.
That has since been taken care of, yet the "craze" goes on - promoting paranoia about anything with capacitors. It's nonsense of course.

>>5917261
>It's nonsense of course
Tell that to anyone with a Game Gear or Atari Lynx and get laughed off the planet.

>>5917280
>>5917172
I recapped more than I would like to count, and your right, but they are obviously shit as well as the caps for the psone video out. But just to do it for the sake of hoping it will fix it is not the solution, most likely it wont do shit and could easily create more errors or delay troubleshooting GREATLY

>>5917280
>>5917172
I recapped more than I would like to count, and youre right, but they are obviously shit as well as the caps for the psone video out. But just to do it for the sake of hoping it will fix it is not the solution, most likely it wont do shit and could easily create more errors or delay troubleshooting GREATLY

>>5917261
>sad to see them meet this fate with out any attempt at repair.
ripped flex cable.
>if you need a cd drive buy one from china, they are cheap and plentiful
And the chinese drives are on the way. You're quick to assume a lot.
The problem is they're probably on a barge right now so it could be a month or two until I get them and flip the systems. I bought them because I needed things quickly. The PSU replacement is because the later PSU's are more power efficient and run cooler. I have the original PSU swapped into the 900x.
>>5917261
>svideo is so good we don't have rgb at all
As someone who's S-video modded genesis systems they look worse in s-video than RGB. Reds are a little pink for instance.
But it's pretty good and theoretically a good encoder would be able to match RGB 1:1 (at least according to the math).
The only reason Europe got RGB was as a way for captioning systems to more easily inject text. The reason we got S-video was because from one side it was a logical upgrade from NTSC CVBS and from another side because it meshes better with how color is stored on things like (S)-VHS tapes.
>>5917295
Been playing my 1001 for the last three hours now, no problems yet. Might have sussed it.

>>5917295
also my 1001 is far from virgin already. It's kind of my experimental system. my 5501 is the daily driver since it's basically the same components but arranged in a more reliable order.
Also it's a little faster usually because it uses the later GPU revision that uses SGRAM and has better dithering.
Picture taken before the re-cap, so I would be able to refer to it if I forgot polarity or values or something.

>>5917307
hot glue is because I lifted the pins on the encoder and didn't want to break them off. Also to keep the uninsulated leads above the PCB, so glue blobs keep them on stilts.
Did I use too much? Probably. Do I feel ashamed? A little, yeah.

>>5917304
>Might have sussed it
nice job

>>5917312
>nice job
Ty.

>>5917304
>Might have sussed it
nice job

>>5917307
>>5917309
>far from virgin already
GOO! use some prototype board for christ sake.. didnt drakon make this taboo. Whats the mod you got going on there? my bad if you already mentioned it

>>5917317
>didnt drakon make this taboo.
Yeah. I already said I am ashamed.
But still, lifting pins on tiny surface mount components, that bottom blob at the very least is necessary and proper to prevent breaking the legs off the encoder.
And electronics existed before PCB's did. Point to point soldering is an art.

>>5917325
On topic, 1948 Motorola Golden View television

>>5917314
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE THAT LOOKS FUCKING BASED AS HELL.

>>5917332
Why is it based, though?

>>5917337
Looks so fucking good. It's probably not a complicated setup but whatever it is is good, plus a game actually well designed for the specs of the time, and even the menus just look so damn good.

Just went to eBay local listings and threw up in my mouth

>>5917325
>>5917327
>Point to point soldering is an art
lol not its not, its a disaster.

>>5917339
It's the console in >>5917307 (internal capacitors and resistors for the RGB lines), with S-video luma replacing composite on the yellow RCA jack out the back (for sync), connected to a Panasonic BT-H1390YN monitor via a multi-system component cable I bought at gamestop on sale for $20 a few years ago and RCA -> BNC adapters. Sync is on a separate RCA cable running from the yellow jack on the back of the playstation.
Glad you like it. It might be because my 20L5 is worn out/old, but I prefer it to my 20L5.
FWIW my other playstation doesn't have the capacitors internally, or anywhere at all, and RGB looks just as good via this cable on it. I just decided to add the caps since I was already messing around internally.

>>5917369
Maintaining an old british car is both an art and a disaster. Your point?

>>5917372
Cable is intended for use with a PS2/PS3 BTW. It just so happens that PSX outputs RGB on the pins that are used for YPbPr on the later systems in the US.

>>5917317
>What mod you got going on in there?
Multiple things.
1) Pro Micro: PsNee modchip for playing burned CD-R's. PsNee doesn't officially support the Pro Micro because it uses an ATMega32U4, but PsNee was designed for the ATMega328P. I had to tweak the sources a little to make it work on a Pro Micro, but it appears to be doing fine now.
2) Got a drive from a newer PSX (SCPH-9001) in there, lubricated the spindle motor, and now it reads burned discs with zero stuttering/skipping. (note: taiyo yuden CD-R's are all I've tested so far for that claim, and taiyo yudens are widely considered the best kind you can still obtain. No idea how other makes will perform.)
3) The RGB lines on the PSX don't normally have decoupling caps or resistors on them, so I lifted the pins on the encoder (CXA1645), put resistors and caps on, cut the RGB traces at the AV connector, and soldered the new RGB wires down so I can have "better" RGB out via component PS2 cables.
4) At one point I blew out the luma line for S-video (doing something dumber than all the other stuff I've done), so I did exactly what you do to S-video mod a genesis and just soldered to the correct pin on the encoder and ran a resistor and cap back to the rear connector. Did not lift the s-video pin because I was able to cut the trace in front of the leg (On the RGB lines the traces go underneath the encoder chip.) I wired that to both the multi-AV connector and to the yellow RCA jack on the back (which I disconnected from the original composite video line). That gets me a cleaner sync signal than CVBS would typically provide.
5) all of the screw posts are broken because the top half of the case is incredibly brittle, so I have dabs of more hot glue on the bases of the screw posts to hold the shell together. I really wish there were any other way. But it comes apart without too much fuss when I need to work on it, it doesn't appear to be splintering any more, and it holds to normal use pretty well so far.

>>5917421
Oh I also had to replace two of the gears in the 9001 drive with gears from the otherwise terrible 1001 drive, since the gears in the 9001 were stripped. Probably why they sold that console, really.

>>5916867
Sure, you could. It just doesn't make much sense when extrons are more expensive and will require a bunch of additional stuff like a bunch of BNC adapters and phoenix connectors and DIY cables. I use an extron because it's convenient for switching the consoles I have hooked up via RGB, component, and composite. But if I just had component and below, just using a standard consumer component switcher makes more sense.

>>5917436
this.
Any of these things from amazon/ebay/aliexpress/wherever will do the job.

>>5917350
>$99 for a Dell E771
I threw up too. Paid £3 for mine.

Paid $5, specs listed seem alright, anyone got any experience with this monitor?

>>5917582
>anyone got experience?
No, but it doesn't look bad from the manual scan I found.
Shadow mask, I assume?

>>5917304
>theoretically a good encoder would be able to match RGB 1:1 (at least according to the math).
No. S-Video's chroma bandwidth is far too low for that. Maybe you're thinking of YPbPr? That's a theoretically lossless transform, but S-Video isn't, not even close.

>>5917582
looks like a fine pitch, enjoy

>>5917718
Yeah pretty sure it's a Shadow Mask. Will have to check once I get it hooked up.

>>5917718
>>5918118
It will be shadow mask. Flat Square tubes do exhibit curvature in both axes like earlier tube types, but less pronounced. They use a specialised low-expansion alloy called Invar for the mask as the beam is concentrated at the centre of the screen and tends to heat this area more than the peripheries.

If memory serves the technology was invented by Toshiba but wasn't patented like Sony's Trinitron - perhaps by choice or perhaps not possible - so the tube in that Iiyama could be by any of the major players.

Looks like a decent monitor regardless.

>>5917372
Ff9 is gay

>>5918396
I don't know who was the first TV manufacturer to use Invar for their shadow masks but the first I remember actively promoting it was Thomson on the higher-end first run of ProScans. Pretty sure Toshiba didn't invent it, and they may not even have used it earlier than Thomson. The Toshiba materials at the time didn't mention it when I was comparing TVs to buy.

>>5918450
Proscan didn't exist until 1990 but Toshiba was promoting FST tubes back in the mid-80s, at least in Europe. FST requires Invar for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

https://youtu.be/9urXG2TpOio

>>5918476
FST is just a marketing trademark. I don't challenge the premise that Toshiba may have been an early adopter since it is clearly a superior material but I do question whether Invar was really a prerequisite for FST branding.

>>5918520
I trust a New Scientist article from 1985 is credible enough. It names Toshiba as the first to use this technology.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=ZU1attzzKyMC&pg=PA35#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>5918534
Now this is useful information. Some old Toshiba commercial that never mentioned Invar by name certainly wasn't.

>>5902649
14M4U bro from earlier. It got here and USPS dropped it and some how broke the bezel and case.

Picture looks like this. Looks like it just needs a degauss(?) but if anyone can help point me to what i need to do to fix it let me know. Boosted the chroma to show the discoloration better. The purple areas are the issues.

>>5918850

>>5918850
>>5918873
>He had it shipped
I hope you learned an expensive lesson here. Never ship something fragile and heavy.

>>5918950
>Fragile
heh, the fact EVERY tv was shipped at some point means they can't be that fragile.

>>5918983
In the intended packaging

>>5918983
This
>>5918950
He packed it really well, I have shipped kiosks all over the world and have never had an issue (luckily). They somehow punched through the box and then broke the front that had corners made for it and 3" of impact foam. Really beyond me how they did it. Especially since the unit is only 35lb.

Either way, it was insured so I get to keep it and am only down $50. I would like to correct the color so it's usable if anyone has anywhere I should start. Those wands are $20 if anyone that is more knowledgeable thinks that may be the issue. If it's calibration and there is some documentation available they could point me to that would beg great.

>>5918983
In the original packaging, and long before hiring standards slipped to keep up with the massive demand of online delivery.

Can I pass a YPbPr signal through an extron switcher?

>>5919119
If the switcher can pass both RGB and CVBS it should pass YPbPr as well.

>>5919119
Most of them yes

>>5919119
Yes, you can pass any signal through the top three slots of an extron switcher. It's just the sync lines (labeled H and V) that do some weird internal processing voodoo shit that fucks up the signals if they're anything but csync or HV sync. You can also technically switch s-video, but you would need DIY breakout cables that split the chroma and luma lines into separate jacks, like what the commodore 64 has.

However you really shouldn't bother with an extron unless you're also doing RGB. And that's simply because there are cheaper and more convenient methods if you're just doing normal consumer standard signals like composite/s-video/component.

>>5918992
>>5918995
This, and not only that, the shippers were handling high volume for an important client by the pallet, not just a one-off single box shipment for Joe Schmucko who ships 10 items a year.

>>5919271
Thanks, I am mostly doing rgb but for now only have component cables for my ps2. I couldn't get the ps2 to work through the extron but I'll give it a shot again tomorrow.

>>5915545
So, I ended up moving my monitors around and making a second spot dedicated to my crt monitor and I guess after I tilted the monitor a certain way something happened and the yellow tint completely went away and it looks fantastic now

>>5918417
It takes gay to know gay.
>>5918850
>he fell for the ordering a monitor meme
That aside:
Is it the red splotch? Can't really tell what I'm supposed to be looking at. Is that screen supposed to be all blue?
A solid colored screen would be ideal for figuring that out.
Here's a DVD test pattern ISO I made years ago for that. Choose a solid colored screen and take a better pic with a camera you can set exposure time on. (Open Camera on Android with a phone supporting the Camera2 API works if nothing else).
https://mega.nz/#!eoRyBYrY!qUDXCKuvYvUzGCdIFHyaB2tFz6x1LoRK7wMG1mlbs24
It could be a deguass will fix it, but it could also be that the yoke or some of the other convergence related stuff could be knocked loose. Or the speaker could be loose and out of place in the case, which would also do that.
I hope you can make it live.

>>5919467
Just make sure you have the component cables plugged into the first three outputs. And unfortunately playstation RGB cables will not work through an extron unless they have a sync stripper built in, because extrons require csync for whatever dumb reason.

>>5919759
Extrons Are The Best Tool For Any Job: The Post

>>5919762
>Sync On Luma to Avoid Adding an Extra Pin to a Connector is a Good Idea: The Post

Note that when I modded my Playstation I just added a 74LS08 chip "dead bugged" on top of the shielding, pulled csync in from the CXA1645, used the 7400 series chip to buffer it, and replaced the luma line with it

Question, because I didn't fall for the extron meme either: do they work with TTL csync?

>>5919816
Lookin' good.

>>5919827
>>5919816
Tri-dot is patrician tier.

>>5919850
Now I just need a sd2snes so I can play FF5 without faris using fake pirate-talk throughout the entire game.

VGA to HDMI adapter arrived, plugged it into my Switch to see what'd happen. Results are interesting.
First shot taken at 1080p. Annoyingly, this is the closest I can get this particular monitor to 4:3, since the adapter us automatically squashing everything down.

>>5919978
Scaling down to 480p gives some really nice scanlines though. However...

>>5919983
The default geometry makes me want to puke. Fucking chinkshit adapters.

Any of you guys have experience with shielding un-shielded speakers? I have a pair that I really like, but didn't realize they were un-shielded before I bought them. I can't disassemble to get to the drivers because they are sealed (as in actually sealed up, not just non-ported). Are there any solutions that are external? The chest I keep my CRT on isn't wide enough that I can move them far enough away to avoid distortion. Only thing I can think of at this point is to get some speaker stands.

iiyamafag here, got the screen up and running, looks p good

>>5919978
>>5919983
>>5919987
Looks absolutely disgusting, keep us posted!!

>>5919983
>two lines per pixel
Still a decent look, but not the pedantically correct one.
I want to be clear that I still like the aesthetic, though, despite it's pedantic incorrectness.
>>5919987
Is it the adapter? or is it the monitor?
If it's the adapter, you should be able to fix that with a time base corrector; I don't know if they made them for higher resolutions than analogue TV, though, since usually sync signals in VGA were pretty stable already.

>>5920081
Give us a higher resolution photo.
Looks OK from the little I can see, though.

>>5920115
Answered my own thought
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183954235491
Extron SS 200 Sync Stabilizer. RGB, either csync or H/V inputs. You'd just need a VGA -> BNC adapter cable, which I can still buy at local computer stores for projectors and things.
You'd only need one adapter, because it looks like while it only takes BNC inputs it can use BNC or VGA connectors for the output.

>>5920123
Found another option, looks cheaper
https://www.ebay.com/itm/163638073985
Extron RGB 192V.

>>5920117
Best I can do rn, this phone's camera sucks lol

>>5919759
Weird, I was able to use the Playstation rgb cable I made with cvbs just fine.

>>5920161
On an extron? This is just the switch, right? Not an intelligent processor?

>>5920149
Looks _very_ nice and sharp. You found a good one, it would seem (at least to me).
Good job!

>>5920169
Sorry, but I'm not sure. It is an extron system 8 plus.

>>5920179
It's just a switcher. Should handle anything fine.

>>5920184
Cool, thanks. Would I have any issues if I were to switch over to a crosspoint or is that just a switcher too? I got the current switcher for pretty cheap online before running into a dirt cheap crosspoint locally. I'm thinking of picking it up so that I can output to multiple monitors.

>>5920115
>>5920123
Thanks for the tip. Still trying to find the source of the issue, tried the PS3 route and although things seemed okay (actually supporting 4:3 helps), Retroarch had a shit and crashed the system due to the low resolution before I could load anything.
Going to plug it into my PC instead to try and replicate the issue, which would be a far better metric anyway since it's still got a VGA connector on it.

>>5920259
>Retrofart
Think I found the problem.

>>5920259
Are all your devices plugged into and grounded on the same circuit?
It's unlikely but it could be a ground loop issue.
>>5920269
I prefer real HW too, but he has a real CRT so give him some credit and stop being a pretentious dipshit.

>>5920334
I give him props, but I think he should have at least two emulators (or cores, whatever the fuck) when testing things.

>>5918983
Pvms were always shipped in bulk on a pallet from the factories in japan you nimrod. Then they stayed in the distributor warehouse until bought from catalog. Then they shipped out again on a pallet to the customers lot.

>>5920403
Everything is shipped in bulk on pallets

>>5920375
>should have at least two emulators
You do realise that earlier pictures were taken from the NSO emulator on the Switch right? Try to keep up with the rest of the thread instead of getting triggered by a frontend you don't like. I'm just fucking around to see which hdmi devices work and which don't.

And as an update, it's not the adapter that's at fault, it was the console. Not sure what makes the Nintendo Switch such a special boy, but everything else is fine.

>>5918873
Day 2 and we now have horizontal collapse. Got a full refund. Contacting a couple repair places to see if they want to deal with it for 300ish dollars or else I will put the money into a new set. The tube has really low hours and it has 800 TVL RGB like the BVMs so I think it's worth saving.

Can I get a quick rundown on negative sync? I want to get a barco crt projector which can only take negative sync, what sort of issues would I run into? Do standard analog video cards output negative sync?

>>5902649
>>5902661
>>5903828
>>5904712
>>5912252
>>5912334
>>5913305
>>5917241
>>5917314
>>5919708
>>5919816
>>5919850
>>5919978
>>5919983
>>5919987
>>5920334
>>5920568
Looks like absolute shit boys, keep it up!

>>5921034
The shittier it looks, the more soul it has.

This Toshiba is sitting in my parents house. Composite and S-Video inputs. The screen is something like 40 inches. What's it worth? I have a small CRT I already use for vidya.

>>5921086
>What's it worth?
About 10 bucks, same as any other consumer CRT. Add a zero if you plan on selling it to an idiot.

>>5921086
About $0. There are a dozen better ones on my local Craigslist for free right now.

>>5921086
Clean your room you fat slob holy shit.

>>5921086
crts are the latest craze, your old tube tv is worth at least $100 to retro gamers!

>>5921103
>>5921108
Ignore these dudes. I know shit about crt value apart from the odd browse on ebay but I know that for a 40" screen you will get a good price. 40" is RARE for a crt.

>>5921135
I really don't get wanting these huge CRTs unless you are doing some kind of split screen multiplayer. 14-20 that I can carry and put on a desk or table makes sense to me.

viewing distance, viewing distance, viewing distance

>>5921135
Rarity has nothing to do with it. Monetary worth is determined by how many people want something, and how much they're willing to pay. Very few people will want a CRT that big that isn't YPrPb component.

>>5921110
It's a guest room. We're getting ready to move house thus the mess.

I don't know too much about CRTs, wasn't expecting insane amounts of money, maybe 70$ because it's yuge.

I think I stared at a CRT too long, keep seeing lines on any screen I look at and they occasionally appear in my normal vision.
What do guys?

>>5921086
I have one, great set for retro and watching VHS. Not worth much monitarily, maybe $25, but great set with shadow mask SOUL. Does look damn nice, might be a candidate for rgb mod.

>>5921483
Stop using drugs and also don't forget to dialate.

>>5921505
Not joking, also I dont use drugs, unless component gamecube on a trinitron counts as drugs.

>scanlines
>rgb
>scart
>pvm

>>5921034
>I hate all CRT's, just came to a CRT thread to tell you that

>>5920890
run it through a NOT gate IC and a 220uf capacitor on the output of the not gate.

>>5920835
you probably fried a resistor or the horizontal output transistor.

>>5920568
sync stabilizer + no ground loops.

>>5922653
No, just PVMeme RGB shots with hideous scanlines shitting up the picture.

>>5922738
Half of those aren't PVM's or even pro grade monitors, though...
Not pro grade:
>>5904712
>>5913305
>>5919978
>>5919983
>>5919987
>>5920568
Not Sony(r) PVMemes:
>>5902661
>>5917241
>>5917314
>>5919708
>>5919816
>>5919850
>>5903828

>>5923179
quit cumming on your screen or at least clean it off before you take a pic.

>>5922665
No ground loops. If there were, the issue wouldn't be limited to just the Switch, and only when running at 480p. It likely needs a stabiliser, but since it's such an isolated occurrence and there's better options available (like using Higan through pure vga like I was before the adapter), I likely won't bother.

>>5923182
>not humping the sharp corners of your prosumer sets

hiris

>>5923578
Hi

>>5923179
>>5923196
>>5923203
>>5923213
>>5923239
Atrocious.

Hello resolution

>>5923731
>>5923762
Hi. You can go complain here if you’d like >>5898628

>>5923196
>not realizing many pro sets don't have square corners
>not realizing many late non-pro sets have square corners
>he feels the need to suck his own dick and can't even just go somewhere else to do it
>posts three identical pictures two threads in a row
>UUID4 filename itoddler

Is the latest fad to hate on PVMs?

>>5923797
Nah, they've always been a bit of a meme. Now that they're getting so bubbled on ebay it's just a more prevalent opinion.
Free 20L5cunt was doing it years ago.
(had a PVM-20L5 that he got free, but preferred his panasonic tri-dot monitor)
>>5923796
That's likely him, I know he had a monitor like that, too.
How've you been? Thanks for becoming not being a cunt this time around so far. Keep it up.
>>5923203
>>5923213
>>5923239
This guy appears to be a bastard son of his who actually can't come to terms with being a fucking braggart piece of shit with a massive ego.

>>5923191
It would be if the switch were the thing causing the ground loop.

>>5923815
>thanks for becoming not being a cunt
*thanks for not being a cunt.

>>5903274
they aren't easy. you should look for a component TV in your area before you seriously consider an RGB mod.

>>5920161
it's something the crosspoints do. They only take clean sync

>>5914972
all HDMI cables like this for dreamcast are cheaply made and uglier than straight VGA. if this TV you have is your only realistic option for displaying your dreamcast, it will be the easiest way you can, but it will be far from the best quality. i'd at least check craigslist for a PC CRT around you since virtually any will do a better job.

>>5923797
Part of it is sour grapes, but a lot of it is pushback against how redditfags ruined everything and inflated PVM prices up to a ridiculous degree. We're at the point where people are actually paying like 350+ dollarydoos for teeny-sized PVMs, which is just ridiculous. I would personally never get a PVM at the price the things currently go for, and would just stick with a consumer set along with a component converter box. I have a couple monitors and I would not pay the current asking prices for any of them if I were to buy them again now.

They're good, but for the longest time the entire appeal was that they were extremely good picture quality for affordable prices. Wasn't too long ago that they were the cheaper and superior alternative to going Framemeister + HDTV.

>>5923975
It wasn't redditfags. We are equally culpable.
>>5923815
Hiya.
>>5923824
I'll disappear again now then
>>5923934
This, although it's cool if you can get RGB. Not necessarily worthwhile and it depends on your TV having an OSD to hijack, pretty much.

>>5923934
>>5924015
I've been looking for a smaller crt in my area with rgb to no avail, I'll keep looking thought/

>>5924038
also look for old computer monitors (pre-VGA and early VGA).
Third-party monitors (i.e. Philips branded for instance) made for Amigas, the Apple IIgs, and so forth are sometimes affordable and can look nice if they have RGB which they often do. Sometimes you need to do a little legwork to get sync on them, but an LM1881 would get you the vsync you need and you can feed the composite sync directly in as hsync.

Speak for yourself

Video for you.
And for some reason you can't have a webm be 4mb, but you can have a still image be 4mb. Because that makes sense.
I did my best to encode it well. Looked great at 3.7mb.

>>5924287
This video made me hate scanlines

/crt/ forgive me for i am about to sin.
i work nights at a fairly big university, janitor stuff. in the basement of this chemistry building i find about 9 crts in different unused rooms, some flat, most beige, they even have a green phosfor ibm monitor, classic thing. theres one i plan on taking, a viewsonic 17g. god its so fuckin dusty, no ones touched it in years, its just asking to be used. the most the university would do is throw it out, or pay someone to get rid of it. the way i see it, this is a win win for everyone if i take it off their hands.
don't judge me /crt/, you would do the same. i just want that sweet sweet 1920x1440@60hz.

>>5924373
after a little bit of googling im going to take this hp 7550 instead. its newer, so it wont look as weird if i say i picked it up off the side of the road. my only worry is its a flat screen, and i hear those have geometry issues.

>>5924373

I support stealing as many as you can.

>>5924373
>>5924389
They all sound like PC monitors but look up their specs before you do anything you'll regret because that resolution is not easily or commonly achievable

>>5924459
theres a youtube video of a guy taking this monitor well past 1920x1440 at 70hz, i dont know how much i believe it though.

I bought an extron crosspoint 300 that came with 12 inputs in the back and 20 Phoenix connectors and it cost next to fucking nothing. I fucking love this thing

>>5924497
Even if it can sync to something that high, the benefit would mostly be in having a large viewport for games; you wouldn't be able to resolve fine details sharply much beyond the monitor's recommended resolution

Does anyone have a source for Playstation multi out connector/hoods? The guy Ive bought from in the past is out of stock.

>>5924632
enjoy using it with rca and phoenix adapters for your 4 systems! you can also use it as a stand for at least 2 of them.
or maybe your plan is to meme up your own cables just to fit your switcher, hahaha....now that's thinking like a pro!

>>5924878
Anon wtf are you even spouting? I 12 systems. 5 component cable systems and 7 scary RGB systems.

I very much enjoying my new PVM-D14L5A.

Perhaps I should sell off the PVM-14M4A?

>>5925365
Not much reason to keep both

>>5925365
What year is that one from?

Do the HDMI adapters for Dreamcast work good? VGA doesn't work on my HDTV and it seems to be 50/50 compability with them.

>>5925958
you should just get a vga>hdmi adapter like the hdfury and an actual vga dreamcast cable. all the dreamcast vga>hdmi cables are the same thing just absolute bargain bin shit.

>>5926034
>hdfury
That's going the other direction; They'd need some sort of ADC(Which those HDMI adapters are), not a DAC.

>>5926163
Hi kya
Not seen you in a while
>>5924846
Kind of? The SCPH-1160 is good for that kind of thing. Fully populated plug.

>>5925898
That'd be around 2000-2004 is my guess.
Same bezel style as my 20L5.
>>5924318
Good, thin scanlines aren't good. i only can use my 20L5 for 480p.

just remembered the ps3 does 480p RGsB, gonna watch anime with that see how it is

>>5924373
Please find some way to get me that IBM monitor.
Which one is it?
I have an IBM 3161 terminal in need of a new monitor because the original is dead and it doubles as a power supply. it also scans at 26khz instead of a normal frequency.

Even if it's not for my terminal I'd love the tube. Also the 3196 and 3192 used the same type monitor as the 3161/3163.

>>5924373
>>5926605
Pic of one of my tubes when it worked

>>5926607
Note that that's from some other IBM machine originally because the 3161's documentation (which I have) states that it was only available with a green tube.

>>5926612
Oh and also you can see the burn-in from whatever machine it was originally used on's status bar.

>>5926605
nah man, it had the name of the university spray painted across the side of it, i may be a thief but im not stupid. pic related. i should have gotten a picture of it while it was on. beauty.
i ended up taking the 7550. it can run at 1600x1200@65hz. i want to go higher but im having some issues with my graphics card. lovely tube.

>>5902649
I can't buy a CRT currently but is it possible to get CRT Royale to work with PCSX2?

>>5903278
What's wrong with PVMs?

New to CRT gaming. Found this on FB marketplace and playing NES and Wii emulators on it

This is from this morning, Wii doing 240p SNES composite...girlfriend can’t stand the white noise unfortunately

I was going to get a crt, but judging by this thread, they seem to cause mental illness.

>>5917261
>Recapping things has become a kind of internet "fix all".
well if capacitors only have a life span of about 20 years, then anything before 2000 is about to fail.

>>5927110
good take-away, now be good and go away

>>5927136
that doesn't mean recapping fixes every problem
you're supposed to change the oil after certain varying amounts of driving and wear you put on your car too, but that's not going to fix every engine problem and is not appropriate advice for all of them

I bought this NTSC signal generator for another project, but I was wondering can I use it on my CRT to adjust and optimize it? It has composite and RF outputs

>>5926838
does retroarch support ps2 yet?

>>5927230
You can but something like a Wii with 240p suite would be a bit better having a better grid size reference, linearity circles and gradient bars.

>>5927294
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=240p_test_suite

thats pretty neat actually. too bad I dont have a Wii. Mightve been better to buy a Wii than this NTSC generator for my other project lol