/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5912454
Sucked me in*
I'm not bipolar

>>5912454
>but its fucking beautiful man.
>It all just sucked.

>>5912454
I'm all for a CC thread, but I'm getting mixed signals from you, broheim:
>its fucking beautiful man.
>The music, the atmosphere, the world, the characters. It all just sucked.

>>5912457
well, I love the game but it has pacing issues, you'll get huge plot dumps near the end and try to make sense of them
but it's nowhere near as bad as xenogears

>>5912463
also go the fuck away before you get spoilered

>>5912461
>>5912460
It sucked me in, as in totally immersed me in this world. I forgot two words somehow.

Also fuck dwarves

>>5912467
I've already been spoiled since I got into this game through other people. But it was so long ago I dont rememeber but wouldn't be mad if I did. And I dont know what the fuck is happening most of the time already anyways.

>>5912461
Is there a rom hack that makes kid call everyone cunts

>>5912454
>Can we have a motherfucking Chrono Cross thread?
Sure, but can we get some Radical Dreamers love too? I see those two games as twins, basically. They complement each other in a way, especially if you played CC and wanted more scenes with Kid or wasn't satisfied with the non-explanation of what happened to Magus.

inb4 someone says its a remake even though according to CC itself it's not

>>5912468
Yeah, sorry about that. I should've updated the thread before ribbing you about it. Anyway, fuck yeah to a Chrono Cross thread, it's really underrated in the pantheon of 32-bit RPGs.

>>5912454
>Who was your favourite party members?
1. Kid
2. Harle
3. There's way too many fucking characters in the game for me to decide on a third favorite

>>5912470
Sadly no, but IIRC Radical Dreamers has a little more of Kid swearing like a sailor.

>>5912454
>Favorite
Fargo
Norris
Glenn
Leena
Leah
Sneff
Kid
Those are the ones I used the most if I'm remembering right.

>>5912493

>>5912481
I actually played both Chrono Trigger and Radical Dreamers when I was 13 or 14 around the same time and I'm only playing Cross now.

>>5912487
Did you switch frequently? The way stars work mean I can switch pretty muh any time right? I noticed minor star increases I'm hoping they aren't important. I keep cycling through because I'm too indecisive.

Also when is the best time to fight Mega Starky? Is it easynif you fight him as soon as possible?

>>5912512
Sweet. Well I think you're really going to love CC, Anon. The OST, even though some of it borrows from RD, is Yasunori Mitsuda's greatest work, in my opinion.

There is one tiny RD reference later in the game, hope you don't miss it.

>>5912514
I switched frequently, yeah, and I don't think there's any harm in it battlewise. It just gets frustrating from a story standpoint that there's so many characters that you always feel like you're missing out unique dialogue. Although I suppose if you're playing on an emulator it makes it easier to save and reload to see whether a particular dialogue tree plays out differently.

Re: your second question, I'll let someone who's played it more recently/has a better memory than me answer that, I have no idea.

>>5912454
chrono cross sucks. the ost is great in some parts but the main battle theme is terrible on the play station and is too chaotic for higher quality sound. even the RD version is much better. CC fails critically where an RPG shouldn't. There are only a few characters that have actual substance in their story, the link between CC and CT is an easter egg, element system with 'field effect' was horse shit and didn't make for a good "EX" in combat. the fact that damage scales like shit as you level up leaves you feeling empty as you progress and youre trying to figure out what makes the game 'good' or why you're even playing it. its funner to walk around in the game then it is to actually do things and progress, and thats a problem. the 3d models are fantastic and the character VISUAL DESIGN is incredible but lacking in every other department. One day I'll smash my copy with a hammer and blend it into a nice goop, mix it with some diesal and pour it in my car's gas tank, cause its not doin' much else for my life.

>>5912551
I don't know how I can agree with you on so many points and not even think its close to sucking. Kato dropped the ball in many ways, but it's not *terrible* by any means. Still...
>but the main battle theme is terrible on the play station and is too chaotic for higher quality sound
This, this, this, this.

>>5912468
You had it right the first time

The first one was very overrated anyway

A new Orchestral arrangement recently came out I haven't mentioned in these threads. It has some great tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqEXi6yKq5M&list=PLq9z3GmD3R9OPsJvmwZaqudb_fflQsvYe&index=2

>>5912763
holy crap i'm getting this. thanks for the heads up. CCross is my fav vgm of all times.

>>5912786
The Trigger album has some good tracks especially Corridors of Time / Schala's Theme

>>5912790
>>5912790
you hear the recent suikoden 2 orchestral album?

it was a kickstarter that finally dropped less than a year ago. it's pretty darn cool.

but yeah i'm trying to figure out if i want to get just chrono cross or drop for the box set with trigger in it as well.

>>5912813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9TZ31OITdI

>>5912813
Box set also includes a piano duo album but it's nothing special. Flac rips are on nyaa if you find it too expensive.

CC is also going to get a concert series like the Xenogears concert like last year so look forward to that.

>>5912818
yeah i'll snag the flac rips for sure. still, when it's my favorite vgm i feel like i should throw down the dinero.

>>5912454
I need to replay it. But I had a problem with 440 characters... and the parallel universes. In CT there was no such a thing. Everything was only one thing.

I don't know, I need to replay it.

>>5912454
Wish they would have done more double techs and triple techs. Also kind of weird that Serge and Kid don't get a double tech, but I guess not very many people did.

>>5912813
Is there anywhere to download the orchestra versions?

I think the gimmick of having 45 playable characters really detracted from the game's selling points.

>>5913420
It makes more sense if you consider it a spinoff set in the same universe rather than a direct sequel. That'd why they called it Cross and not Trigger 2. Im a fan of monster games so I really enjoyed the large amount if characters. Especially Pip who is basically a Pokemon or Digimon

Speaking of which https://www.glitterberri.com/chrono-cross/event-team/

>>5913621
I see what you mean. Yeah.

CT has a plot hole with Marle disappearing, but that was probably an oversight of the developers.

>>5912454
>the characters
They're shitty, there's absolutely no characterisation in the writing.

>>5913621
>rather than a direct sequel
Yeah it isn't. It's a remake of Radical Dreamers, same director and all.

>>5913926
>It's a remake of Radical Dreamers
Well only parts of it are similar, mainly the setting of the mansion and the character names. Serge isn't silent in Radical Dreamers and has known Kid for a little while. He's also a musician. Magil is actually Magus. It seems he knows Kid is Schala and has been with her for longer than Serge.The got rid of the Magus connection entirely in Chrono Cross, unfortunately. Where they ended up going with the Frozen Tear, Lynx, and everything else is drastically different. And it ends at the mansion.

>>5913924
imagine having such shitty taste that you actually say/believe this garbage

>>5912454
bro fist op. this guy gets it.

fav party members?

Grobyc, Guile, and lets go with Glenn

>>5912551
t. seething

>>5913617
The gimmick woulda worked better were there
1) more unique dialogue
2) actual motivations for them to join the team, not "lol yoo gaiz lük fahn! lemme cum wiff yoo!!! <3"
3) more double and triple techs
4) characters can "cross" from the start of NG+ because they're essentially stored in the DBT now that Serge has deleted/merged the timelines, so they'd technically be available whenevs

>>5914095
Double and triple techs that inexplicably don't exist:
Nikki, Marcy and Fargo
Nikki, Marcy and Irenes
Irenes and Korcha
Korcha, Macha and Mel (who I rename 'Sencha' to keep with the tea theme; korcha is what Japs call western tea, macha is that green tea powder, orcha is green tea leaves and... Mel? Fuck that. She's Sencha to me and always will be).
Sneff and Sprigg
Kid, Mel and Fargo
Marcy, Zoah and Karsh
Glenn and Riddel
Riddel and Viper
Viper and any two Devas
Any two Devas
Norris and Orcha
Orhla and Doc
Harle and Lynx
Leena and Poshul
Funguy, Turnip and NeoFio
etc etc etc

Glenn and Karsh

>>5914127
Yup, Karsh and Glenn as well.
And Radius, Viper and Zappa, too.

Why didn't they add the robot girl they were gonna originally have in the game? She woulda been hella dope. And why did they make the ninja character a robot?

isnt the music wonderful op? i'd share my favorite track but i dont want to spoil anything for you

>>5912763
Does anyone know where I can download this? Or what Nyaa it's on? After the first nyaa died I never know what one is what.

>>5913995
I'm not sure how many I missed but so far, Razzly, Guile, Pip and Kid. I really like the Luchadore and Skelly but I havent used them very much yet and I need to use them once I swap back or whatever happens. Since I swapped to Lynx probably Van but I cant decide yet.

What was with the beta Harle colours? Is it possible she was straight up based on Harle Quinn from Batman? Because she is Lynx'sidekick.

>>5913636
Wait who the fuck is Zoah supposed to be then?

>“We might not be able to talk about the official game now, but there’s a secret under Zoah’s iron mask. It’s said that his face was once injured in war and now he hides the wound with an iron mask, but in reality he’s wearing it so as not to reveal his identity. Zoah‘s role was to be that of the prince of a certain country, secretly watching over the protagonists’ doings from the beginning. If you had chosen the forest route (Slash Route) when it came time to infiltrate the Viper Room, you ought to have been able to see an event shedding light on Zoah‘s true identity.“

>>5912454
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnBWY7D_X7Q

>>5914525
>Is it possible she was straight up based on Harle Quinn from Batman?
Yes. And it seems that's why they changed her.

>>5914659
Wait hold the fuck up is Lynx batman except with cats

>>5914792
Catman . Maybe.

Backgrounds at Chronopolis are just insane

Best location setting I've seen in any RPG. A technological city suffering armageddon, frozen in time. Stupid good

>>5912525
I would kill to have sex with this girl dressed like that

>>5914557
We only encounter one-two princes here before this (now go ahead now).
One is Janus/Jaki. This one is unlikely because Guile/Alf/Arf/Magil was originally meant to be Janus/Jaki but that thread was cut.
The other is Crono himself. He marries the princess, does he not? So a prince he becomes. This, however, would be a poor choice for multiple reasons.
So it's a mystery altogether.

Holy shit I just got on the Cruise Ship and the Chinese magician is so fucking Chinese he might as well by saying ching ching bing bong

>>5912454
Holy cow the chara design its pure shit

>>5914942
Yeah, Chronopolis was great. It being such a unique location helped make it feel worth all the effort it took getting there too.

>>5916657
Looks like deviantart

>>5916657
The only shit taste in here is your taste.

>>5912454
this game is shit compared to chrono trigger.

its clearly a totally different game but they shoehorned chrono trigger concepts in like a BBW ramming its way into the ass of a 100lb white boy.

absolutely disgusting.I WILL SAY: Kid and Marle are 9/10 characters and the music is 10/10 even better than Chrono Trigger (which is unbelievable).

Also this game has the #1 greatest opening screen of all time.

>>5916897
>it wuz nev0r ment t'be a chrono gaym, dey j00st shoohornd it in thar
Except no. It started off as a Chrono game. It was made as a Chrono game. And it ended as a Chrono grame. It's a fucking Chrono game, Trigger Nigger.

>>5913983
funny accents =/= characterisation

>>5917224
NANI tsukuyoumi kicks your whore of a waifu's ass.

>>5917224
>funny eyes =/=

>>5917197
Not that anon, but I'm not sure if it's true, because Akira wasn't involved. And the time travel mechanics doesn't follow the Trigger concepts.

I don't know anon.

>>5912454
Glenn and Pip every time, all the time, bar none, save nothing.

I never needed another party. They shit on everything in that game so well.

>>5918251
Masato Kato was the story planner and script writer of Chrono Trigger. A year later he wrote the visual novel Radical Dreamers which was literally and always intended to be a side story to Chrono Trigger. Kid was always Schala. Guile was always Magus although thst connection was cut because they didnt have time in Cross and the Frozen Flame was always a piece of Lavos. Kato wanted to do the story justice so he remade it as Chrono Cross. It's so stupid that people still think it was the opposite.

>>5919165
Also it wasnt just that the basic plot with Porre and Lucca were all in RD

I replayed the game a few month ago and was curious if anyone could answer any of the following questions for me:
What is the Dragon's Tear and what power is it supposed to have? It just seems to do random stuff as demanded by the plot. By extension what does the Chrono Cross actually do?
Why does Leena's father try to kill you at the dead sea?
Why are Leena's father and Lynx each only in one dimension? Shouldn't they exist in both? Why are they in different dimensions from each other?
What does Fate even want? Why doesn't Lynx kill Serge or any of his friends after stealing his body? It seems like he only needs Serge's body to get the Frozen Flame.
If timelines that are changed because of time travel are banished to a limbo realm why does Kid saving Serge's life with time travel result in two parallel timelines instead of having the timeline where he died erased and sent to non-existence.
Why does erasing Lavos from a possible future with time travel somehow make it fuse with Schala and become stronger? Shouldn't it just not exist anymore?

>>5919165
So Radical Dreamers is not canon?

Cross is canon?

If Kid is Schala why her hair is blonde?

Also, why not hiring Akira again?

>>5919471
Because he costs a fuck ton of money because hes famous AF

>>5919471
It's implied in Chronopolis that Radical Dreamers I'd a canon alternate timeline, but it's not canon to Cross.

Which also implies there are multiple paralell timelines.


I dont know but I actually really like the guy they got to do Cross. He did tons of classic anime and especially fantasy anime like Record of Lodoss War, and Escaflowne. He did the new 2199 Yamato designs and a lot more I'm forgetting. It seemed like a fitting choice.

>>5919542
Chrono Trigger implied that if you changed the past you'd change the future.

So, which one is it?

I don't know, It's better to leave Cross out.

I promised I would play Chrono Cross before the end of the year. I wanted to play it when I was a preteen and I also was obsessed with plunging my Sexcalibur into Kid's moist sheath.

>>5919471
If Janus is Magus, why are his ears round as a kid but pointed as an adult? Why is his skin white-people-coloured as a kid but grey as an adult? Why does Melchior not remember meeting Crono et al after you meet him in 12000BC and talk to him again in 1000AD? Akshully, how did he even wind up in 1000AD if he would've been imprisoned in the Island of Woe were it not for you going to 12000BC and springing him from his cell in the first place?
Because fuck you, that's why.

>>5920180
How about we leave your smooth brain out of this thread. Guess what happens when you change the future? You make another timeline. This has been a scifi trope for decades jesus christ. It's also the entire point of the game.

I think I mostly used Fargo/Riddel last time I played. Honestly, there are a lot of equally viable parties in this game, even though people usually make it out like you NEED Glenn for a max-power party. I prefer to take a thief and a hybrid character like Starky who hits hard with attacks and spells so you can just nuke with them and then build their turn back up with the other two. Sprigg is also both good and fun.

Then there's just characters I've never used in all my time. Couldn't tell you a thing about how Sneff is in combat for example.

>>5920998
They are plotholes, max. They're common in any media and in this case everything is self contained in the same art.

Cross is another game, thus it must follow the principles of the original game. Not even the artwork matches. Not the universe rules, not the music. Nothing matches the original. That's certainly an alternative game of the series, but not at all a continuation.

>>5921021
>Guess what happens when you change the future? You make another timeline
Not in Chrono Trigger.

>>5921075
Why is Terra's hair aqua but then blonde?

>>5921106
wow anon, that's a not an argument.

Here's Schala:

>>5921114
>>5921106
Here's kid.

Not even her behavior is the same.

>>5921114
>>5921115

>>5921114
I wanna know: why is Terra's hair blue/green in FF6 but blonde in cutscenes and Dissidia?

>>5921075
>the same artist fucking up his own character designs and backstory
>"Plotholes!!!"
>different artist redesigning a character as he likes
>"BLASPHEMY!!!"
lol

>>5921121
>>5921123
>>5921123
Is pic related you, anon?

But okay, I'll humor (you).

Terra's hair is different, because the sprite is a REPRESENTATION of an idealized concept created by the artists.

So, in the CONCEPT ART, Terra's hair is yellow-green, but in game it's green, because that's how, in the development of the game, that was the best way to REPRESENT her.

Just like Link's purple/pink hair in ALttP is a representation of the CONCEPT ART Link, which had a brown/blonde hair.

In Kid's CONCEPT ART, she has a BLOND hair, not blueish/purple, like in the original Trigger.

Not only that, but her personality also changed.

The differences between Trigger and Cross are just too much to ignore. Other concept artists, different concept arts for the "same characters", characters with changed names, different gameplay, different rules in time travel, different world building. It's a different game, with a different direction, with a different feeling.

They don't form a cohesive story, it actually introduces a bunch of plotholes to the original. It's an alternative game, that's it. It's not a continuation of Trigger. It'll never be. It's a CROSS. X. Something like a "what if" scenario.

>>5921121
>>5921123
>>5921123
Is pic related you, anon?

But okay, I'll humor (you).

Terra's hair is different, because the sprite is a REPRESENTATION of an idealized concept created by the artists.

So, in the CONCEPT ART, Terra's hair is yellow-green, but in game it's green, because that's how, in the development of the game, that was the best way to REPRESENT her.

Just like Link's purple/pink hair in ALttP is a representation of the CONCEPT ART Link, which had a brown/blonde hair.

In Kid's CONCEPT ART, she has a BLOND hair, not blueish/purple, like in the original Trigger.

Not only that, but her personality also changed.

The differences between Trigger and Cross are just too much to ignore. Other concept artists, different concept arts for the "same characters", characters with changed names, different gameplay, different rules in time travel, different world building. It's a different game, with a different direction, with a different feeling.

They don't form a cohesive story, it actually introduces a bunch of plotholes to the original. It's an alternative game, that's it. It's not a continuation of Trigger. It'll never be. It's a CROSS. X. Something like a "what if" scenario.

>>5921153
tl;dr
Try again.

>>5921275
>I'm merely pretending

>>5921284
>i'm okay with the same character drawn by the same artist looking totally different but angry that two different characters drawn by two different artists look totally different
are you having your monthlies, sweetheart? only pussy problems could possibly make a woman this irrational

>>5921407
Chrono Trigger is unfinished, specially the Zeal part. So addressing your """points""":
1- Yes, I consider that they're the same character because... THEY'RE IN THE SAME GAME.

2- Magus could have gone through some kind of transformation, we barely explore his and his sister story. That part was left open, but not on purpose. The game is even lacking the blue pyramid dungeon. The game was so "closed" that the only thing that could have explored was the fate of Schala.

3- The game went through some iterations, so there're plotholes, specially in the time travel mechanic where Marle disappear. But in general there's no "fate". You can change your future by changing your past. That's the whole point of the game.

4- >but angry that two different characters drawn by two different artists look totally different
Reading interpretation. But you're only pretending, right? right? I hope so.

>>5921468
tl:dr
Try again.

>>5921469
>The time I spend on 4chan is too valuable to be spent reading its posts

>>5921469
Thise are my last (you), (you)'ve already made (you)rself a fool and proved everyone of it.

Good bye.

>>5921469
These are my last (you), (you)'ve already made (you)rself a fool and proved everyone of it.

Good bye.

>>5921482
Gonna go reapply your Monostat? Or are ya a Vagistat sorta girl, princess?

>>5921114
She becomes a real life woman at the end.

It's dreams bitch I aint gotta explain shit.

>>5921075
>>5920180

Can you actually explain yourself?

I never played this as a kid but I watched a Let's Play of it recently, shortly after watching Let's Plays of Suikoden 1 and 2. It is a bit like Suikoden in that it has too many characters in it. It is unlike Suikoden in that most of its characters are unbelievable, shallow, and irritating. Also I think the person who drew their faces had not actually seen a human face before, but had only heard faces described. This isn't a big step down from Akira Toriyama who has clearly seen humans but just isn't good at drawing them; but it's still a step down. Akira's characters are weird-looking but at least they're cute and charming. Serge's dopey blank face annoys me the most for some reason, even though he's far from the ugliest character. He looks like he could never have a single thought or concern about anything. Also some of the menus look horribly ugly for some reason. How can you mess up a menu??

Also this convoluted tangled-timelines plot is just unacceptable in a game that features Skelly, Funguy, and other such joke characters. I am not going to think through all the complicated plot threads of this series if the author didn't even care enough to actually get Magus in there for real instead of having to wimp out and turn him into random nobody Guile or whatever, or enough to filter out all those goofy joke characters.

Anyway it seemed like a very substantial game that had a lot of care put into it and I can sort of see how a lot of people love it, but it definitely is not for me. Sorry for pooping in your thread OP.