/vr/ - Retro Games

This is very impressive. This should bring us one step closer to a complete open source rewrite of Super Mario 64. The only problem with this is that it suffers from the same legal issue ROMs do.

>>5907895
>mfw I found out about a N64 news website in 2019
My soul rejoices.

>>5907895
>unofficial
Cease and desist from Nintendo in 3... 2...

>>5907907
>legal issue

There is no issue as long as it gets put out everywhere, then it can never be fully taken down.

>>5908305
making it easier to break a law doesnt mean that law is void

I always like Mario 64, something about the levels being up in the sky was really cool because I really like surrealist art

>>5907907
Aren't reverse engineering projects legal?

>>5907920
really don't understand why these projects are still being announced before they are finished and the files are distributed.
am2r showed how it's done, damnit.

Lemme guess, it's going to run on modern PCs and not be an actual Windows 9x game that runs on a Pentium/Pentium II to be period authentic.

What's the fucking point of announcing these games?

I mean seriously why they don't finish and release the game on the same day?,they just want attention to get the C&D?

This is so fucking retarded

>>5908958
Probably has to do with motivation. Having people cheer you on might make development easier when times are rough.

>>5908959
:/ are you mad the newest version of gzdoom wont run on old hardware too?

>>5908959
you can do it yourself, it's open source

>>5908958
are you actually fucking retarded or are you just misinformed? the first am2r post was back in 2008. I still remember regularly checking it for updates.

>>5908995
It sounds to me like he didn't even mean to officially announce it. He just made a thread about it on Reddit to get some feedback and news sites picked it up.

>>5907895
itd be a lot cooler if it was ported to psp or android or something. pc? who gives a shit

>>5909593
People who don't have a console.

>>5908760
Yeah. The issue is when the product is monetized or causes the original creators to lose money. In Nintendos case they will argue that a fan project is causing them to lose money and shut it down.

kek, I want to see PS1 and Sega Saturn ports

>>5908748
Is that concept art?

>>5909886
I think its just a painting someone made, I want a copy

>>5908959
The code itself should be fairly lightweight, it was written in the 90's so it should run on a lot of weaker systems. However the implementation and use of renderers to make porting easier is what will screw things up. There's zero, zilch, nada reason to write optimized code anymore, people have consoles strong enough to run any game and PC versions have settings to adjust.

>>5907895
So long, gay bowser!

>>5907895
I want a PlayStation port. Super Mario 64 is already playable on PC.

Running it in an N64 ""emulator"" already is basically a PC port, thanks to HLE.

>>5907895
"Shut it down."

have they found any new secrets in the code?

>>5910208
This. I'd be more interested in ports to other consoles rather than PC, especially those without N64 emulators. Super Mario 64 on the PlayStation would be even more cool.

Dreamcast version when?

>>5909794
They don't have to argue anything about losing money, the entire game is copyright from start to finish. The Mario image, Mario voice, Mushroom kingdom, Mario's distinct movement might even be copyrightable.
>>5910208
>>5910387
Playstation couldn't handle anything like Super Mario 64, PS2 more like. Even then, the N64 is a very unique system using all kinds of techniques like hardware compression, instantaneous cartridge-streaming and so on. If you're writing a game for multiple systems from scratch it one thing, trying to pull apart all the clever hacks and manipulations they had for the N64 is quite another. I'm very skeptical they will ever port it to PC, "working on a PC port of Mario 64"... we could all do that for the next five minutes, doesn't mean it'll ever happen.

>>5909794
>The issue is when the product is monetized
This is totally false. It matters not if your project is monetized or not. If I make a game with Mario in it and give it away for free, I'm getting sued just the same as if I charged money for it.

>>5907895
It already got a PC port when UltraHLE was released.

But why. Most people won't notice the difference between this and an emulator.

>>5911204

People will make HD texture packs and remixed music and maybe even models from newer Mario games like Mario Sunshine.

>>5911204
A PC base is way, WAY easier to make mods for than the N64 version.

>>5910969
nshitty4babby coping hard.

>>5911265
People already make texture packs for the game.
>>5911294
>Implying like the source-code is anymore than the decompiled rom with values gotten from romhacking filled in.

>>5910969
>I'm very skeptical they will ever port it to PC

did you miss the part where it's literally running totally fine on a logic level, right now, as we type? they just need to finish the video/audio handlers, the bones are already off and running

>>5911204
If you have the source code and assets then the sky's the limit as to how they can be altered/amended. It's not just about rendering polygon edges at native resolution.

>>5908760
>>5909794
It is legal to reverse engineer. Distribution or advertisement in any form (including footage on YouTube), however, is copyright infringement. The code is owned by Nintendo. Mario is owned by Nintendo. Nintendo has not given anyone the right to distribute Super Mario 64 or use Mario's name or image. Under U.S. law, this is plainly illegal. What I was talking about, which is a gray area, is that this brings us one step closer to a clean room designed re-implementation of Super Mario 64, which would not use the name Super Mario 64 or images from Super Mario 64 anywhere in its distribution, and does not contain game assets from Super Mario 64. A great example of exactly what I'm talking about is URDE: "re-implementation for games by Retro Studios." Nowhere does it say Metroid. Another example is OpenXCOM which does use the XCOM name and images in its advertising, which is probably not good, but they have not been pursued by Firaxis.
>>5908305
The law is still there.

>>5911534

but anon.. we want to scream like retards that we can already emulate it! reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>5909881