/vr/ - Retro Games

FF9>FF6>FF8>FF4>FF7>FF10

Could care less about the others

I only have one thing to say regarding this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oam7ttk5RzA

Loved FF9.

For me it was FF9>FF7>FF8>FF10>Dogshit>FFX-2

The best FF

FF5>FF3>FF1>FF6>FF9>FF7>FF4>Don't give a fuck about the rest.

>>589201
Hey, it actually looks pretty nice considering the low-res background.

>>589201
>>589201
I always wondered who Bobby Corwen was...

>>589147

nigga plz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_nFdq12kw

>>589085
Great game, but the trance system sucks.

I love FF9!

FF6 > FF9 > FFT > FFL3 > FF4 > FF12 > FF1 > FF7 > FF5

>>589221
I guess it's referring to Boco (from FFV)

>>589235
They made it kinda of useless on purpose, because the previous limit systems were so easy to abuse (especially VIII's holy shit). I really didn't mind it.

I enjoyed FFIX a lot when I was younger, but as time goes on I seem to not like it as much. Most of the characters are shit, and the battles are SO SLOW HOLY FUCK. I still enjoy the game, but just not anywhere near as much as I did when I was younger. My taste in FF games seems to have changed a lot over the years.

FFV = FFVII = FFXII IZJS > FFVI > XIII = IX > IV > X = I > III > II = XIII

7 > 6 > 8 > 10 > 9

I'd like it more if it was better paced and the battles went faster. Love the cast and the plot has charm.

Top Tier: 6 and 7
Great tier: 5 and 9
Good tier: 4 and 3
Okay tier: 10 and 12
Shit tier: 2 and 13
MMO's aren't my thing tier: 11 and 14

V, VI, and VII are my favorites. IV, IX, and X are second-tier. Can't say I've been impressed with the rest (tho I haven't played XII yet). Tactics is amazing too

I like IX purely from it's soundtrack. There are a lot of aspects of the game I don't really enjoy but the soundtrack makes up for it.

It's probably my favorite, but Kuja sucked as a villain.

Had the best charm, art, music, and atmosphere out of the entire series though. The localization team also did a great job.

Gets shit on a lot because it didn't have the 2serios4u atmosphere and plot of FFVII and FFVIII. The characters and setting were a lot more lighthearted, so it put off people who grew up with the two previous installments.

>>589378
>the battles are SO SLOW HOLY FUCK
Agreed. I read that FFIX really pushed the PSX to it's limits, and they had to sacrifice some speed to keep it running consistently.

>>589407

B-but Anon, y-you forgot 1 and 8

>>589104
So you have a little room to care about the others?

I dislike FF9 compared to most other FFs, and here's two reasons:

Characters. The goals of most of the characters are obscure or one-dimensional - and some (Quina, Amarant, Eiko IIRC) are almost Chrono Cross-like in their irrelevance to the plot.

Battles. The worst battles since FF3. Slow, repetitive, limited customization, grindy, just a chore all around. Good lord were FF9's battles a pain in the ass.

The settings were nice sometimes, and the skill system wasn't a total failure, but it really felt like a step back for the genre to be screwing around with trying to transplant the battle system of a game developed 10 years prior.

>>589781
>Quina
>irrelevant
pick one

>>589605
Personally I think Kuja was ok as a villain. Not Kefka tier of course, but I liked his destruction of Terra in response to his mortality and final scene with Zidane. But that's just me, and I'm a sucker for cosmic temper-tantrums.
Everything else you said, I agree with 100%.

>>589652
Not that guy, but I'd put 1 at Good Tier. Haven't played 8 yet, so I'm not at liberty to judge.

>>589781
Eiko is important to the plot as she's a summer like Dagger. She has some importance in disc 3. Quina is sort of irrelevant plot wise; I didn't like her originally but if you get her blue magic she becomes super helpful, even if her reason for joining is just to see the world. Armarant doesn't really have a point. He has a scene at Ispen that finally makes him stop being a dick, but only the surface of his story is really explored.

I absolutely love FF9. It's one of my favorite games of all time. The characters were charming, the whole world really brought the fantasy alive, the story was pretty engaging, and I enjoyed the battle system.

Also, Quina was a fucking beast.

>>589605
Yeah, it is really light hearted compared to 8 and 7, I'd agree. But most of the older games had light hearted moments so I can see why they made it like that. I feel bad if someone doesn't play this game cause the plot isn't "super serious." Kuja is sort of lame, but I liked his flair and way of doing things. Kind of like a mix of Adel and Sephiroth.

It's objectively a really lousy game with some really stupid design choices. Really poor pacing and the absolutely stupid ability level-up system being the biggest offenders.

However, subjectively speaking, it's my favorite Final Fantasy games and one of my favorite games ever.

Charm goes a long way.

>>589085
This is my favorite as well. I fucking HATE quina though. Worst FF character ever. I wish they would have made a fucking bad ass blue mage. Like a fucking REAL blue mage that would have been iconic.

>>589881
>Worst FF character ever

That's not Kimhari.

FF9 had the ultimate bro squad.

Vivi and Steiner

Never before had there been a duo that fucked up so many bosses and got so many bitches.

I don't know shit about this game so tell me

Mechanically what did it have over FF7 and FFT?

>>589881
At least as a fighter she was competent, broken even. But good GOD, it was annoying whittling down health and eating enemies just to learn their moves. I preferred the system of "get hit by a certain move, learn that move".

>>589951
That was probably the worst thing about her, aside from her general personality.

But god did I love just sticking her in the back, throwing blue magic at the enemy, and using dat random damage. Shit payed off way more than it probably should have.

>All these people hating Quina

I liked him/her, he/she was a refreshing character to me. I occasionally like having a big, dumb, strong retard in my RPG's. I always named him/her HORDOR in my game.

>>589942
FFT is a completely different beast.

FF9 is very much like FF4 in that the combat skills a character has available are not customizable. Zidane will always be the only thief, Eiko/Garnet the only summoners, Vivi the only black mage, etc. Some people like this, others don't.

Meanwhile in FF7, the characters are customizable by their materia (magic and skills). Cloud can be set up exactly the same as Tifa, combat-wise, if you choose to make it so.

>>589104
>Never even playing V
Do you even FF?

FF9 was a great sendoff to the PS1 era that I thoroughly enjoyed. I just wish it would keep being enjoyable after that.

>>589983
>FFT is a completely different beast.
This. In fact, that's probably why FFT's sequels kinda sucked.

>>589983
I see what you're saying about character specialization I don't think Tifa and Cloud are that similar. Tifa's horrible stats, counterintuitive UW, and unimpressive limit breaks set them apart nicely.

>>589781
>>589856

I really don't get the complaints about the battle system. I thought the speed was fine, even though the animation seemed choppy, almost like the framerate was low.

As for customization, I actually prefer FF9's system. In games like 6, 7, and 8 (and Chrono Cross), every character becomes a jack-of-all-trades, and there's nothing that makes them unique in combat. In FF9, everyone has their own class and abilities, and contributes something unique to the party. I think a lot of JRPGs had lost sight of that concept at the time. It may be simple, but sometimes it's nice not to have to put so much effort into fine-tuning your characters.

Of course, this is just my preference, so feel free to disagree.

>>590028
You're right, the framerate is low, but that isn't what does it for me. It's largely because of just how long it takes for battles to start (Somewhere close to 20-25 seconds) and the general speed of them to begin with; even on the highest speed setting, those ATB bars crawl, even near the end of the game.

Also there's other dumb things like stealing never ever working during boss fights meaning Zidane is pretty much dedicated to attempting to steal for every single turn if you want the weapons with really good abilities earlier. Just dumb shit like that gets on my nerves.

But like I said, for all its faults, it's still by far my favorite in the series, even with its shortcomings in terms of character development and story. It feels rushed, but as if they gave it everything they got while they could.

>>590028
I actually agree with you on that. Having designated classes and abilities for each character really added a team building aspect to the game. It offered plenty of options for making a cohesive team that can work to your playstyle.

Never cared for FFIX. Didn't like the characters, didn't like the world, didn't like the gameplay. Had some sweet music though and Garland was boss.

>>590028
Even with auto-haste (which is pretty much a requirement), the atb meters were pretty slow to fill up. Once you add in the long intro/outro animations, it starts to get a little cumbersome.

It didn't bother me too much, but if you go from IX to the earlier games, it's pretty shocking how much quicker they are.

>>589328
> BObby COrwen

Holy shit.

>>590093

>>590075
>Garland was boss

He was pretty boss.

FFIX would have been a lot better if he was the main villain instead since he had a sympathetic agenda instead of Kuja's angsty "I'ma gonna die, bawww." Either that or make Kuja a girl because seriously, no man should look like that.

That said, this is my favorite FF.

>>590097
I just timed it on a Youtube video. The battle entrance time from screen change to a full ATB meter was 17 seconds.

If you fight 200 battles throughout the game, you're spending nearly 1 full hour just viewing the battle entrance animation.

>>590160
You fight a lot more than 200 battles.

>>590070
>Also there's other dumb things like stealing never ever working during boss fights meaning Zidane is pretty much dedicated to attempting to steal for every single turn if you want the weapons with really good abilities earlier. Just dumb shit like that gets on my nerves.

Absolutely love the game, but stealing rare items in Final Fantasy is what always kills me. OCD goes into maximum overdrive. Had the same problem with Locke in 6 and the Steal Materia in 7. Battles went on 10-15 minutes longer than they needed too. Am I just unlucky?

>>590070
> that pic
On an unrelated note, Freya is my favorite character. Strong female character with a tragic backstory who can slam into the damage cap repeatedly. With an awesome outfit to boot.

>>590162

awwww so cute

>>589951
I'm not talking about the mechanics of the character, I'm talking about the fucking character. Quina was a fucking AWFUL character in terms of the game fiction. Give me a fucking badass blue mage with his own personality who slaughters enemies with their own abilities.

>>590257
You sound edgy as fuck.

Quina fit the world perfectly/

>>590261
how was that edgy? Because I want a bad ass character? Not some shitty he she who fucking eats frogs and attacks with a spork? Please.

>>590257

I'm pretty sure grimdark and emofaggotry were things they were trying to AVOID in this installment.

>>590279

>>590279
Are you dissing the battle spork?

>>590279
It's like you missed the whole purpose of the game. Final Fantasy IX wasn't some grimdark fantasy work where you slay your enemies and feast on their hearts for courage. It was a bright, colorful fantasy world meant to be lighthearted. Maybe you should go back to FF7 and 8 since you seem to like emo shit like that.

>>590275
This was the PERFECT opportunity. They had an awesome knight, a badass thief, very mysterious back mage, Amarant who doesn't give a fuck about anything, stiener bro tier character, adorable Eiko, and Garnet who played the roguish princess. Then fucking Quina fat piece of shit who ate stuff to learn techniques. God damn it was awful.

It's my favorite mostly because it returns the medieval setting that I adore. I understand most people's sentiment that the setting has been done to death, but for me it just works. It's also the only game where I can at least stand every character, nobody is that annoying. Amarant is pretty much just there and not of much note but he's not annoying. I also found Eiko to be less annoying than everyone claims she is. Sure she's basically just a plot device + filler with all her crush bullshit but I didn't mind it that much.

Also has my favorite OST by far. Recently learned Loss of Me on guitar. Easy but fun.

9<4<6<12<8<10<7<10-2<13

>>590261

But why Quina? Why's Quina one of the eight who will save the world?

>>590301
No, no it wasn't. If they tried to put a "badass blue mage who slaughters his enemies", it would have brought everything down because it would have been so terribly out of place.

Get your head out of your ass man.

>>590308
Why Yuffie?

>>590317

Optional.

>>589976
It's HODOR... and how old are you dude?

It was the first Final Fantasy I played, and it's still my favourite. I absolutely adore everything about it.

>>590308
Quina is roped into the whole deal simply because she chose to tag along with Zidane. She's not a deep character, she's pretty simplistic, which is nice compared to everyone else. She tagged along with Zidane to explore the culinary world that laid beyond her homeland, and with it became a part of the fight to save the world.

Do you want her to have some retarded story like her real father is a terribly evil chef who devours the souls of creatures and is hell bent on devouring every soul on the planet, so she is the only one who has the mysterious power of cooking shit that is needed to defeat him, but her edgy brother with long-as-fuck hair who disappeared when they were children on a quest for power is trying to steal their father's soul so he can become the supreme being and rule the universe?

No, that shit's stupid.

>>590319
Wasn't Quina also optional? I mean, he's ridiculously easy to get, and right on your path anyway, but I seem to remember it's actually possible to completely ignore getting him throughout the game.

>>590316

You want something out of place? Fucking Amarant was out of place. He could have been a literal blue mage, but no, we get Useless McFuckstick personified. Worse than Quina by miles. Should have axed him completely from the game and stuck Loyalty Rat in his place on the game cover. We already had a thief/ninja, and his name was Zidane, goddammit.

>>590351
Yes.

>>590348

They could still do an endearing and charming character without making them a mindless frog. Quina was just the embodiment of laziness.

>>590353
I can agree with you on that. He was pretty good in battle, but overall he was the worst character of the entire game and didn't fit the world at all.

>>590351
Optional to a point, but he's forced into the party around the second disk or so.

>>590365

yea, a lot of people think you can skip quina, but you can't

>>590361
What you think is laziness, I see as a portrayal of the world's "country bumpkin" type. As evident by the others of her kind, they're not particularly bright or intelligent race, but Quina was particularly slow because she was a country bumpkin. She grew up in the marsh. She doesn't know anything outside of the marsh. She doesn't know anything other than her marsh's frogs. So of course she acts like a child chasing food whenever she's brought to a new place with new experiences.

She was a fine character, she had her quirks and she deserved her place in the game just as much as any other character.

IX it's a decent game, but every time i think of it i am reminded of that fucking stupid final boss.

the setting was nice, but the story was dumb and tetra master was terrible compared to triple triad

I really like IX. It's not my favorite (VI), but it's really lighthearted and I love that once in a while.

>>590385

funny, because FF IX is objectively the best game out of the series so far

IX was the first Playstation Final Fantasy game I ever saw.

It fucking blew me away.

>>590397

>funny, because FF IX is objectively the best game out of the series so far

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

>>590383

That's really a stretch m8.

>>590397
> objectively

strong amateur trolling

>>590404
I don't think so bro. It's pretty obvious in her story and experiences. Maybe you just didn't comprehend that m8.

>>590408

i think you think i think it means something other than it does

>>590385

I always found Tetra much more fun to be honest. Sure, it doesn't have nearly the reward of Triple Triad, but it was still pretty fun to play.

I'm a sucker for card games though.

>>590409

has the highest metacritic score
squaresoft said it was their ideal of what a FF game should be

> not objectively the best

keep wishing, faggots

>>590419

>>590419

Well you said something that was the complete opposite of the truth, so I just figured you had your vocabulary wrong and you weren't a complete fucking idiot.

Vivi is my favorite character out of every Final Fantasy game.

Black Mage masterrace watch out scrubs

>>590416

"Country bumpkin" could actually work. What we got was a mindless frog that constantly killed the mood. They could've had a naive and fun simpleton, but a character with actual thoughts and feelings requires effort, which Square wasn't willing to do for the token blue mage.

>>590427
I used to find Tetra master pretty frustrating and worthless until the last time I played through IX and I took the time to read up on the details of how the game works and it's a pretty complicated game that is pretty fun when you know what you're doing.

>>590438

>has the highest metacritic score

Metacritic does not decide what is objectively the best.

>squaresoft said it was their ideal of what a FF game should be

Death of the Author. Apply it.

God damn, all the Quina hate up in here

>>590454
Wod of God. Apply it.

>>590435
I think what's going on here is you're trying to justify your hate for a character by repeating yourself. Like I said, she's not particularly deep, but you're being unreasonable with your hate for her by simply saying she killed it all for you. Just because you didn't like her didn't mean she wasn't a good character.

>tfw no playable Lani

>>590458
>Sakamoto says Other M is his best game. Nobody can now argue with it because it's objective.
>The man behind Metroid Prime said he hates every game he's ever made. Despite only making successful titles, we're not allowed to like his work.
>George Lucas loves the prequel trilogy and constantly edits the old ones because he finds them weaker and imperfect. We're supposed to like the prequels more than the classics now.

You're a fucking moron.

>>590454

you're wrong, but keep believing whatever you want through nostalgia goggles

>>590397
>what he said
"I thought it was decent, didn't like the boss
>what you said
OBJECTIVELY THE BEST HURR

>>590460

You made an argument, saying that everything she did was because she was a quality character and all of her actions and mannerisms reflected that. I deconstructed your argument by pointing out that even a simpleton can be a "deep" character and how that would be, but that Quina had no versatility as a character and was just comedic relief done poorly to fill the eighth slot. And now you're brushing off my argument, saying that I'm just saying that because I believe what I say?

To expand, even a "funny" character can have moments of sentimentality. But Quina had jack shit. There was a stretch of the game where Quina was absent, and I didn't feel any feeling of emptiness in the game where I may have had someone like Steiner or Freiya been the absent one.

Let me explain what objective means in FF9's terms.

It's really poorly designed. What ideas are in the game are very, very good, but they're really badly implimented. It's a very ambiguous title and, yes, it's been said by the staff that it's their vision of what Final Fantasy truly is, but it only goes halfway.

It's got the slowest paced battle system of the entire series and it's nice that they brought back the things like Tetra Master were a half-assed effort that have no bearing on the game whatsoever aside from a section where you're absolutely forced to play it, unlike 8's Triple Triad where it had incredible bearing on the game all the while being completely optional. Even though I never cared for either card game, to deny that 9's card game is more well implimented in the game is ridiculous. The whole game has a lot of crap like this. Mechanic-wise it just feels like they thought of ideas that might work but didn't think it through fully that they wouldn't be enjoyable. Things like they slower paced battle system, the stealing system being so poorly designed that you need to dedicate the main character of the game to doing the same thing in every single boss fight, the game outright dropping character stories midway through the game and -never- giving proper closure, despite the fact that every other game in the series answers most questions you might have about what happened to a character.

FF9 is bad. Like, really bad. But, and this is a big but, it's good on every subjective level that makes a video game enjoyable, in my opinion (And that's okay if you don't feel the same, because the things I like about FF9 are purely subjective). Yes, by the numbers FF9 is a lousy game, but I love the characters, I love the world, I love the music, and I love the aesthetics. That's what keeps me coming back to the game and that's why it's my favorite.

shh no more arguing, this isn't /v/
how about something awesome to talk about instead. A remake of this game would be fantastic. I'm going to keep hoping we get one.

>>590507
Do you really think Squeenix could do it justice now? It sounds like a great idea, but they would probably completely butcher it.

>>590507

I'd rather have a spinoff where we follow the Tantalus, or the events before IX. Too bad that will never happen.

>>590510
I should also add that objectivity really doesn't matter in a JRPG like it does in, say, an action game. You can crawl through a lousy JRPG but if you're enjoying it for the story and characters, it's a great time. Subjective qualities are generally what carries JRPGs and, to me, FF9 is proof of this.

Also oh shit I forgot my Freya picture.

>>590520
Final Fantasy IX: now for iOS.

Now with microtransactions!

Kill a tough boss? Share it with your friends on Facebook and get a gamebreaking item!

>>590507
I doubt we ever will see a remake and I also hope we don't.

It seems really unnecessary, and S-E would only do more harm than good.

>>590348
I laughed so hard at this. This made me really appreciate Quina, thanks anon.

>>590534
I CAN DREAM CAN'T I???

>>590541
Sometimes dead is better, Anon.

Sometimes dead is better.

>>590519
This would be neat. I'd love to get more backstory, flesh out the rest of Tantalus as characters, maybe go into how Freya and Zidane knew eachother, etc.

>>590493
No, I brush your arguement off as trying to use your hate for her as a way of making her out to be a bad character. You repeat over and over again that she's nothing but a mindless frog, when you fail to acknowledge what's behind the behavior and pass any explanation off as a stretch that can't possibly be what's actually behind it.

Like I said, Quina's race isn't particularly intelligent, as they've referenced in the game itself. On top of that, while you may not see it, Quina most certainly fits the country bumpkin archtype. She's extremely naive and unaware of what's beyond her small marsh. Couple that with her race's lack of intelligence leads to a fairly simplistic mindset that comes with her role as a chef. You simply write that off as bad writing for her character, rather than acknowledging the settings and background she comes from within the game.

And I wouldn't say she serves as comedic relief, rather she serves as a lighter side of the entire story. When every other character's story deals with heavy subjects like death, loyalty, and revenge, do you really want the light hearted character who comes from a pretty simple life to have an incredibly deep and painful story?

Finally, while you didn't feel Quina's absence as a problem throughout the game, I did. I felt myself worried about what happened to her. When burmecia was destroyed, I was terrified that Quina went with it. I found myself missing her because she was an important part of my team, so you can argue that bit as subjective since we both obviously have different feelings about her absence.

>>590541
Dream DLC is $9.99 and available only for the PS4 edition of the game

I love FF IX, the only other that even comes close is VI, but it's hard to get as much emotional depth out of sprites.

IX had brilliant characters, compared to VII and VIII. The main character is optimistic, silly, and outgoing, and the princess is the dark and reserved one. Especially between Zidane, Dagger, and Vivi, you get a sense that the characters are genuinely three-dimensional, and you can feel tangibly how they relate with each other and how that evolves through the game.

I love having actual unique characters (no soul swapping VII/VIII style), but there's still a lot of customization to be done with them. Plus by having multiple parallel storylines going most of the game it forces you to adapt to the different characters skills, which also greatly strengthens their characterization.

I loved the setting, too. I guess it's pretty classic fantasy, but it felt like there was enough steampunk in there to make it feel fresh. All of the cities on the first continent seemed unique and fascinating. Terra and the Iifa tree are great settings also.

Kuja was a pretty good villain, better than Sephiroth anyhow. The last-last boss was all kinds of dumb, I don't think anyone could argue otherwise. But the ending was so good. Made me cry.

>>590550
Not the same guy, but my problem with Quina wasn't that she didn't have a sad story. I enjoyed the idea of a simple, no-bullshit fun character.

The thing is that she almost has NO interaction with the rest of the cast. She says like 2 things to Vivi over the course of the game, has 1 scene with Quina and Zidane sometimes complains about her. She never comments on current events, never gets involved with the banter like the rest of the cast, and really feels disconnected from the rest of the party.

I found myself having a problem caring about a character who 90% of their dialogue and interactions can be summarized as "Where's the food?" It's not impossible to make a charming, lighter character while keeping them involved with anything around them.

>>590550

>Like I said, Quina's race isn't particularly intelligent, as they've referenced in the game itself.
>Couple that with her race's lack of intelligence
>rather than acknowledging the settings and background she comes from within the game.

Does having backstory and lore to explain his characteristics make him an excusable character?

>>590478
>want to get Lani in the party so badly
>get Amarant instead

fuck man

>>590570
You say "excusable" when there's no need. Quina doesn't need an excuse to deserve her rightful place in the game. She's fleshed out, she's got her reasons and her backstory for why she is the way she is.

>>590567
>*has one scene with Eiko
Fuck, sorry about that

>>590570

>him

>>590579
They refer to Quina as s/he in the game.
"Him" is just as good as anything else.

>>590579

Was comparing Quina to the character in the pic.

>Quina
>she
>he
>her
>him
>it
>s/he

Quina was the first genderfluid video game character.

>>590567
On the contrary, I felt she was still a part of the cast and was intertwined with the other characters just fine. She wasn't as close to the others and was viewed as weird by the cast, but she provides insight on other characters stories by sharing her own experiences. In a sense, she was a support character for the supporting characters, but still a part of the group.

>>590594

Like when?

It's late and I need to go to bed, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.

Quina: More to her than meets the eye

>>590605
That's one way to put it.

>>590591
check your privilege

>BAWWWW FF9'S CAST WAS LARGELY IRRELEVANT TO THE STORY
>FUCK YES FF6 SO GOOD OH MY GOD MY DIIIIIIICK

Ya'll niggas....

>>590657
At least FF6's characters have closure.

The way FF9 deals with its character development is as if you saw Rachel for the first time in FF6 with Locke and she is never mentioned in the story again until the ending. You're never told why she became the way she did, she's just in a coma for no reason and you have to deal with it.

>>590657
Have you read the thread? Most posts I saw mentioning FF6 were saying that FF9 was either their favorite, or 2nd fave.

I like FF6 the best, but FF9 is my 2nd favorite FF. There were many things about FF9 that annoyed me, and no, I didn't mind the battle time. The hot cold minigame BS, that fucking Red Light Green Light minigame on disc 3, Zorn and Thorn.... Still, I love the world they created, and I try to play through it at least once every other year.

>>590704
>The hot cold minigame BS

Hot and cold fucking ruled.

>>589085

Fucking fantastic game.

Best soundtrack in the main series, and best ending.

Loading times never bothered me, but I'm ungodly patient or something--I never even noticed the slowdown in the FFT PSP port until someone pointed it out to me.

>>590716
>>589085
Best ending indeed. It was the only Final Fantasy I can think of off the top of my head that had an unabashedly HAPPY ending. Everyone got their happy thing. Even Vivi. It pleases me greatly.

>>590220
Steiner here. Rusty was just a great guy all around. He was honest, faithful to a fault, and when he got past the surface of everyone's personality became a fast friend. That and the fact that he was just a beast in combat helped. Fuck Excalibur though.

>>590541
I wish the Q-Gears project got further, since I would've loved to improve some of the game assets.

>>590541
DREAMS ARE WHAT FINAL FANTASY IX IS ALL ABOUT! FOLLOW YOUR DREAMS ANON! RIDE YOUR DREAMS INTO THE SUNSET ON A CLOUD OF HOPE AND GLORY! VIVI HIGHLY SUGGESTS IT!

>>590759
>Best ending indeed. It was the only Final Fantasy I can think of off the top of my head that had an unabashedly HAPPY ending. Everyone got their happy thing. Even Vivi. It pleases me greatly.

Didn't they all die when Terra and Gaia merged?

>>590818
I WILL!!! I WILL CONTINUE TO DREAM OF A BRIGHT FUTURE WHERE THERE IS A POLISHED REMAKE OF FFIX IN HD AND SQUARESOFT IS COMPETENT AGAIN! THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING IN ME, VIVI!! I WILL NEVER FORGET YOU

also
>riding on a Cloud into the sunset
heh

>>590902
That was left up in the air, but the common consensus is that since the Iifa tree died, they won't merge. I'd spoiler that, but y'know, I never bothered to figure out how to do that.

>>590657
>We're only discussing that with Quina
>The only people who even mentioned FF6 were listing it alongside 9 as amazing games
>Even if someone did say that, the only character as one-dimensional as Quina were the optional ones like Gogo and Umaro anyway.

>>590982
Don't forget Gau and Relm.

>>590989
Relm and Gau had optional sidequest shit that gave even them more depth than Quina's character.
Not a LOT of depth, but Quina is arguably one of the most shallow party members in the series.

I'm conflicted on FFIX.

On one hand I love the universe and would love another game set in it. Maybe a not a prequel/sequel to FFIX per say but I feel like that universe has more to offer.

On the other hand modern SE would have to make it.

I feel the idea with Quina not being 'deep' for some of you. Then again, look this thing in the face. It eats things that are trying to kill you. You punch a bear almost to death, and this thing wanders up and eats it whole. And has a big grin on its face, like it's nothing. Don't sleep.

Quina felt to me like Poo does in Earthbound, the 'third wheel' as it were- imagine she speaks a different language entirely, and only knows passing Common.
If all you speak is English with broken Nippon, and these japs around you are going ching chong? HANBAGAA? YU HANBAGAA?! Now imagine you meet someone who speaks fucking english. Holy shit, you're not some dimwit retard, you just didn't get any chance to connect with the rest of the insular, xenophobic group.
Quina doesn't really connect with the group because he doesn't understand the inner complexities of what's going on, and doesn't really care, either. He's learning about her craft, eating new things, and going on an adventure. Save.. world? Safe world? Ooh,

Plus there's nothing forcing you to use Quina unless you like blue mages. 8 and 9 are the only ones that have even mildly usable blue mages, and in 8 using blue magic is retarded thanks to junctions. Strago comes in too late and 7 is a buffet.

I like the character, s/he feels odd and slightly uncomfortable and that makes part of the world for me. That said, s/he really should have just been a completely optional character, as in skippable.

>>590902
>66
>happy ending
his mist battery fails before the ending sequence

>>591107
He managed to create "children" somehow, and he came to terms with his existence completely. Nothing was left incomplete in what he knew his life would be. He was happy when he passed.

>>591208
fulfilled, at peace, and happy

These do not all mean the same thing.

>>589219
Is it possible to have custom textures in PS1 games?

>>591098
>That said, s/he really should have just been a completely optional character, as in skippable
For the longest time I actually though s/he was.
S/he meets all the criteria and has so little connection to the rest of the game that I figured you didn't actually need Quina to get to Fossil Roo.

>>590591

>>591619

>>589987

>>591645
Nope.

>>591645
>moon cart
Nobody is jelly.

>>591650
moon cart?

pic related, my only SFC game, so I have nothing to compare it to

>>591645
Is FF9 rare in America?

>>591659
It's all moon runes, therefore unplayable to the vast majority of non moon dwellers.

>>591723
Not to my knowledge
I'm pretty sure you can get a totally new copy for only 15 bucks on Amazon

>late to the party for a FFIX discussion ;__;

well, i just recently finished this game, and while i don't think it was really bad objectively, i agree with several of (>>590510 >>590521)'s points on the matter, and completely agree with his comments about subjectivity being the driving factor in FF games and jrpgs in general. i absolutely love games with good characters, good story, good music and great atmosphere, and FFIX had that in spades. it should come as no surprise that my other favorite FF games are IV and V. amazing games, in spite of any flaws they might have objectively.

wish i had been here for the bulk of the discussion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmqHOP_pRBs

>This fucking scene
Fucking hedgehog pies man.

FF Crystal Chronicles > FF Main series

>>589976
It took a long time for me to appreciate Quina. When I was younger I couldn't stand it/him/her but now I totally want Quina on my team. Plus I'm fond of blue mages.

>>590510
>>590521

Man, they should totally remake FF9 and tweak some of the objective parts to be better.

Wouldn't take much. Use improved technology to erase the load time on battles, speed up the frame rate a bit, replace Tetra Master with Triple Triad (but with all the card faces from FF9, natch) and have it able to do trade-ins with cards like you could in FF8. Just a bunch of little common sense hindsight tweaks could make the game so much better, and it would still hold up great today.

>>590783
Actually, Steiner was probably my second favorite. He was always in my party, right alongside Freya, because I just found him funny and endearing (the guy was a bit of a doofus, but had a good heart), and he was, like you said, a beast in a fight. With his Shock attack, he was the only character who could semi-reliably hit the cap without some kind of gimmick like Freya, Quina, or Zidane used.

In the end, my party always consisted of Freya, Steiner, Eiko, Zidane, and they were ridiculously effective.

>>589935
In a perfect world, I wanted it to be Freya, Steiner, Vivi, Zidane, but I needed someone to heal.

FF5>FF3>FF1>FF2>FF4>FF7>FF6>FF9>FF8>FFX>FFXII>FFXIII

>>592520
Holy shit what are you doing

Top tier: 6 and 7
Nearly-Top tier: 5 and 9
Great tier: 4
Good tier: 10 and 12
Meh tier: 1, 8 and 3
Shit tier: 2 and 13

>>592541
>Holy shit what are you doing
opinions

I'm really a sucker for FF5, FF3 is like the beta FF5.

>>592556
Also FF3 and 5 expands on the FF1 concept, so that's my obvious choice for third place. FF2 is really underrated, I love the spell and stat system, I liked it a lot.

The rest was kinda made up, aside from 8, X, 12 and 13 which I don't really like they're pretty much equal to me.

>>592541
Looking at it, it seems like he's a real sucker for class selection and character customizing.

Which makes me surprised that FF4 isn't lower on that list, since that's got like zero customability, whereas FF6 is pretty variable once you get the Magicite.

ff9 also my fucking favorite, vivi is a fucking man

>>592564
12 was a return to form though.

I still say the only people that don't like 12 are the people that haven't played it and the people that got too accustomed to Nomura's anime style. It was FF tactics the movie.

>>592564
I was mostly curious about 1 and 2, since I'm assuming we're using the NES versions and they were broken as shit.

2 in particular, since while the stat system was a great idea it fell on its fucking face when it came to executing it.

Also, 4 being so high while 6/7 are middle/lower middle, when you seem to really like customization.

>>592579
Well it's not like I think it's a bad game, I actually didn't play it throughly yet, it's just that it's kinda out of place. You know, all that stuff about it being the renamed vagrant story 2. But yeah I think it's better than X or 13.

>>592579

I remember coming to a halt beside one of the teleporter moogles in Dalmasca and just staring at it for like seven minutes, because I couldn't get over how adorable it was.

>>592590
The only real fault I can find is the audio compression but at the same time I can understand why they did it. It's worth playing through thoroughly as once you get to the point where you absolutely cannot win fights without every gambit unlocked the combat mechanics really shine.

>>592583
Well, let's see - I played mostly all versions of FF1 and FF2 out there, I actually liked the NES versions more. FF1 is pretty hard, FF2 wasn't that much hard, but then I'm that kind of guy who Grinds like fuck until I'm overpowered.

4... I just really like the overall feel of it. I'm not a fan of FF6, honestly. I didn't like it that much.

>>592594
Ivalice had the best moogles.

>>592601
Yeah, I can imagined why they compressed the audio, I heard there's so much stuff in that game.

Well I'll just go ahead and play it.

>>592579
I liked the world and the plot but the combat bored me out of my skull. It was the worst parts of MMO combat and FF combat combined.

>>592601
The only fight in the entire game I couldn't win on my own was Yiazmat.

12 was good though, can't say I really loved it like 7, 8 or 10. It totally had its strong points and there was more than enough side stuff to do to keep you occupied. The last boss is laughable since he's beatable at a very low level.

9 > 6 > T > 8 > 10 > 4 > 7

Call me out on my obvious ignorance.

>>596895
Well you haven't played 5, for one. So you're the most ignorant of all.

>>596905

1, 5, and 12 I've played more than halfway through. 1 and 5 got too challenging and I wasn't willing to grind forever to beat a boss. 12 just went on for way too long and I was outgrowing the genre.

>>596927

Where in 5 did you give up? It's often considered one of the easiest games in the series.

>>596943

Been a loooong time. It was at a...tower? Either Gilgamesh or Exdeath was there? I don't know