/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5890295

>>5890295
Save states are beyond the pale.

>>5890295
It's a tough call, one change may make a lot of people happy and others grumpy. One thing that most can agree on is graphics, if you change the artstyle completely you lose the original charm completely.
As for gameplay changes if you remove tedium most players will be grateful however if you mess with the original challenge or difficulty you risk upsetting everyone.
Beyond any sort of changes you can introduce to a game one thing that all devs shit the bed on is not having a choice in any of the changed aspects, which results in drastically varied experiences and thusly a different game altogether.

>>5890336
What gives old game the Soul? I would say it is the Love a dev put in his Product. Nowadays games are only made to make money. In the old era of video game development, devs worked on their products not to make money, or at least it wasn't their first thought when they started.
When you put love into a product, you put a part of your soul into it. People can feel it, see it sometimes. Everything from the art down to gameplay was made for a reason like this and when you now remake those old games, you take away a part of the soul that was put in. Almost all new games look and feel the same now because the so called quality of life changes are always the same. Only focused on that one specific group of gamers.

What a casual gamer would call Quality of Life is basicly nothing else than a Better for You to play. The You in this case is only based on that one group of gamers who only can enjoy a game when these things are in.

>>5890350
Soul is a very subjective thing, I would say that all games hold certain aspects to it that you might call the spirit of a game.
All games are made to make money, sometimes games chase them so much they impose on the potential that the product has.
Love is another subjective concept, all video games are a passion project with certain artistic liberties and timeless aspects.
Enjoying a game all lies in the eye of the beholder, I'm sure you agree, one game might be fore some but not for others. Quality of life to me implies respecting the audience, not making them feel stupid or stressed unnecessarily, not to say games shouldn't be challenging but that the difficulty in a game shouldn't come from faulty game design. I'm sure you'll agree that a camera that gets stuck behind objects, or various glitches and bugs are problems that need to be patched out and looked into during play testing. However the grind of a gameplay loop is often the hotly debated topic, where one person sees an immersive experience another sees busy work..
In order to create art that stands the test of time all the mechanics of the game needs to work cohesively, the gameplay must call players back to it from time to time due to its merits and its lack of imitation. Lots of games that were amazing for their time lose its returning audience over the years because bits and pieces of it are replicated elsewhere utilizing modern technologies.
The simplest answer is that the Soul of a video game is something each and every gamer projects and imbues into a product, ultimately it's the players and the passion they feel about games that drives them to talk them up and garner more players like them to give them a go, sharing their experiences and memories with one another.

>>5890371
>all video games are a passion project
This definitely isn't true

>>5890371
you are wrong on so many levels.

>>5890380>>5890375
pity, there's really no reason to talk about this topic lol

>>5890371
>>5890408
anon, are you ok?
Different people have different opinions, as you said yourself: very subjective thing
So calm down your faggy tits when anons do not agree with you.

>>5890295
The original Link’s Awakening was a masterpiece but honestly he was already too easy. I didn’t remember how boss fight were so easy when I was a kid but they are, they have not enough life.

Save everywhere started it all, and it became worse when emulation did this too with save state.
It got too easy, there was no more challange when going into a boss fight or looting and leveleing around.
You just would save and booom thats it.
Back in my oool' days ~BOOOMRER GRHHMMPF~ we had to ask ourself when ever we found a save point or an INN
>Do i have enough time to keep playing?
>should i go to that cave overthere?
>do i have enough mana and shit?
and when i had to stop i would just say
>I CANT
>THE GAME NEEDS ME NOW

Hey I'm American

Mobil games was a bad idea

>>5890414
that's irony in a nut shell you're agreeing by disagreeing
>reading comprehension: sub par

>>5890295
Any Quality of life improvements will break retro games. That's why they are retro in the first place. To enjoy all the faults and how horrible they are. Everything after is Soul less Millennial shit.

>>5890527
Gas companies always make the worst retro games.

>>5890295
For me it's when they add maps showing you where items can be found. Fuck Metroid Zero Mission.

>>5890371
This is a whole lot of words to say very little. Although I do really like and agree with your last sentence. It also explains why you so often see immediate backlash to the idea of remakes. Nostalgic people feel that the new version of a game no longer has a connection to their past, or is a distorted version of that connection, therefore they react with hostility.

>>5890535
Reminder that 4th and 5th gen are also largely millennial shit. Do you think someone who was 8 years old in '95 isn't a textbook millennial?

Reminder that quality of life improvements were being implemented in retro remakes of retro games in the '90's as well. See: Saving in SMB3, menu improvements in Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei, etc.

>>5890649
Some fancy wording for just saying that the boomers only like old games because of muh-nostalgia.
Actually, right here we see the oppostion, where one anon tries to change the viewpoint by going full spiritual schizoid
>>5890371
than another anon dosn't agree here
>>5890375
which brings out a very hostil behavior here
>>5890408

on the other hand, this is a good point
>>5890653
>Reminder that quality of life improvements were being implemented in retro remakes of retro games in the '90's as well. See: Saving in SMB3
yes, the community who loves the old games seems to know what kind of Quality improvements should go in! And this is strange to see that AAA studios seems to fail.
Also, how much of Quality of life is ok? The way the community does or the way the AAA studio does? I would say, AAA studios know jackshit and have no soul because they are too much focused on money.

>>5890835
You sound like a communist. AAA studios and remakes for the lowest common denominator are pure capitalism, deal with it.

>>5890841
wtf

AAA Studios are so god damn deteched to the auddience because they focused to heavy on the minorities.
The kind of Quality of Life Impro's they bring to the table are basicly, Cheats and big Mobil buttons and at best an easy mode where you can enjoy the story in cinema mode.
Fuck the FF8 Remasterd version.

>>5890841
you cleary didn't read anons post

>>5890538
what do you mean by 'Gas'?

>>5890371
I love it when people go full autism when discussing soul.

>>5891762
you're just a retard

If the larger version of this graph is to be believed, the game does in fact target 60FPS, but the Switch can't hold it.

>>5891801
This feels like blatant false advertising to me because all the trailers look fluid
>>5890295
It's a fuckin hard to draw a line between a convenience tweak and a big modification that hurts the games original spirit. I'm a big fan of adding simple things like maps and hotkeys for spells, extra save slots you know, shit that would make the game a deluxe version if the devs had the time for it.

>>5891834
They can't just cap the game at 30FPS, either, the speed of certain things is tied to framerate.

>>5891801
Thats because its a shitty soulless unreal engine cash grab. Jewtendo will probably fix the framerate with a patch lazy fucks.

>>5891851
Is it really made with Unreal? I thought Nintendo used their own in-house engines. People on /v/ claimed that they "could feel the Unreal" in Mario Odyssey, much like how they "could feel the Unity" in Cuphead, so I'm having my doubts on in-house engines.

>>5890295

Soul is pushing the envelope beyond what's possible. A great looking retro game has much more soul than if that game, exactly the same, was released on a much more advanced system.

>>5892541
>inverted triforce removed
hmmmmm, what did the deep state not like about that?