/vr/ - Retro Games

Don't fall for the scart meme.

>>5876340
Is that some kind of bot that just posts automatically when it recognizes a CRT thread?

>>5876348
just someone with no life

>>5876360
Is that a slot mask?
Looks really, really nice compared to 90% of slot masks I see. My Apple II monitor's the only one that I really like that I've got.
Random pic of two monochrome tubes mid-swap.

My crt seems to have distortion in the upper right hand corner of the set. Say for example, there's a straight line coming from the bottom, it will veer to the right once it reaches that corner. What is this problem called? how do I fix it?

>>5876402
It's often not fixable, this is often a problem caused by slightly cheaper/less effective beam control circuitry. It happens in that corner because the beam has just been pulled all the way back up

>>5876418
>>5876402
Could be scan velocity modulation, which may or may not be disable-able in a service menu or via some arcane I2C bus messages.

>>5876330
What makes this "Thread 2?"

>>5876453
Only that I also created the last one, and the format for "electric boogaloo" requires being preceded by the number 2.
It's absurd and stupid; don't worry about it.

>>5876453
Second thread to feature ff ix.

>>5876463
First pic in last thread was FF7 though

>>5876462
No worries, fren. Brought to you by Postinator II: Judgment Day.

Thrift shop find; big ol 19" flat-front SyncMaster. Seems to work okay. Bit on the heavy side.

>>5876469
nvm then, I think it was another thread

This cool guy is selling a big Trinitron near me. How should I proceed to take the tv and not die?

>>5876494
Looks like an okay enough dude, talk some sports with him or something, idk

>>5876491
this thing? >>5875183
Yeah they borrowed one of my pics.
>>5876489
Clean your leather; take some pride in your car.

I fell for the BVM meme guys.

>>5876549
Good job
Now an hero; you have no reason to live

>>5876549
Nice

Now you’re playing with power®

>>5876559
Jesus we're going to have to deal with this faggot for the next six months now

>>5876494
When you meet him for the first time, greet him with an elaborate handshake sequence. He'll know how to keep it going, don't worry about it. It's like dancing, he'll take the lead. Your hands will just fall into place and it will look really cool to everyone watching. End it with a hug, and he'll surely give you a good deal.

How much scanline is too much scanline?

>>5876687
Personal preference really. If it looks good to you, roll with it.

>>5876559
Dust off the base of that Launch figure asshole

>>5876340
Shop Smart
Shop S cart

>>5876687
>>5876697
An eloquently inoffensive centrist view! Fantastic! The more memes fallen for, the better I say!

>>5876549
Based retard

what's the best video connection for a Wii?

How does 240p + linedoubler + VGA monitor look and feel?

>>5876348
>>5876360
>>5876549
>photos of a screen
learn to use a capture card grampa

>>5876494
Why would you feel that way? You sound like an enormous vagina or a possible racist.

looking forward to cap card guy up there getting serious replies

Would a PCB of sorts be necessary to make a SCART to BNC cable with this:
https://console5.com/store/scart-plug-21-pin-male-cable-connector-clamshell.html
and an existing RGB BNC to BNC cable?

>>5876858
Looks and feels like playing in ZSNES on my old Windows 98 PC, except without the glitches and slowdown.

>>5876929

>>5876898
What would you need a PCB for?

>>5876898
wouldn't you want a female scart plug? or are you trying to hook up something with a scart output to a bnc device?

>>5876898
What exactly are you trying to make? If you have SCART cables for your consoles, you want to get a female scart head and solder that to a cut-up BNC cable. If you're the anon from last thread wanting to use his BNC console cables in a transcoder, then you'd want that male SCART head. Also keep in mind you'd want female BNCs on the cable in the case of the latter, but I don't know if those exist so you'd just want female-female BNC connectors

>>5876687
based fellow thiccbro
what monitor is it anon?

I saw someone talking about those 5 inch coby tv's. So are they any good?

>>5876964

Someone redpill me on this
>>5877049

>>5876559
>that Lunch figure

>>5876340
Why not? Scart is an easy way to get pre made RGB hookups and all you need is one scart to bnc (or your hookups) adapter. Sure, it's an extra step, but unless you're up to making or paying for custom cables, it's a legit non meme option.

That said, everyone using bnc should make their own cables by cutting monoprice ones in half. They are legit well made and shielded.

>>5876964
gas all multiformat users

>>5877339
ALL CONSOLES TO 5BNC AND PHEONIX AUDIO CONNECTORS ALL STRAIGHT INTO A 248 EXTRON MATRIX SWITCHER

>>5877340
Is this BVMD24E1WU?
Looks sexy as fuck.

How does it look from a distance?
Mind sharing a pic?

>>5876402
If it's a flat screen, this is common and as far as I know it's not really fixable.

>>5876489
I have one with original box. Using it on an xp build. Good monitor, definitely worth it.

>>5877349
It's a 20l5 which I've replaced with a 20F1U and I dunno how to take pics from farther back, always looks like shit if I do

>>5876858
Looks pretty different than a standard set but it might be closer to a BVM. However, I haven't ever used a BVM so I'm not sure.

>>5877346
Literally me. Phoenix adapters are a fucking pain in the ass though, but after making all the cabling it's worth it in the end to have an all-in-one switcher.

Worst part was that the 5-pin phoenix connectors I bought were too thick on the sides to fit them side-by-side. Had to spend a bunch of time whittling the sides down with a razor blade and sanding drill bit.

>>5876961
Something that'll work with one of these. I intended to retrofit one end of a composite sync BNC to BNC cable with a male SCART head. I also didn't plan on bothering with audio, since I'd have it hooked up to an external solution.

>>5876845
This is a retarded mindset and you know it.

>If they are not on my side or the other, they have to be in the middle.

Stop with the middle school bullshit of thinking everything has to be on a side or have chosen a path. Liking what you like, when it doesn't abide by either major choice doesn't even make you anything.

>>5876549
I hope you're not using snes to adjust your bvm, it's output is brighter than most systems.

>>5877636
Using any console to calibrate your display is retarded.

>>5877642
Very true, but I guess if you only used one console it might make sense to calibrate to it. What is the best other than some obscure signal generator? One of those test pattern DVDs?

>>5876964
Some random free PC monitor and an OSSC. >>5876929
is the same monitor but with the scanline setting turned off.

Left: Soul
Right: Souless

>>5876330
Hey, /vr/ my trinitron has a jiggle in its picture. Anybody else have issues like this? The funny thing is, the menu and words on screen are all fine. Is this more of a clean the pins on my connector, because it does it for rf and a/v.

>>5877851
This meme needs to die and YOU need to walk face first into a table saw.

>>5876687
>How much scanline is too much scanline?
That little scanline.

>>5878282
picture please kthnx
>>5877851
FTFY again
>>5878296
Please follow this anon's advice

left: soulless
right: soul

Stop soul posting you fucking niggers

>>5878497
Nah

left: soul
right: soulless

>>5878508
back of the bus bitch

>>5876856
S video

RF thru a sony trinitron,

>>5878681
That's a dude
>>5878676
DRO doesn't do that picture any favors.
>>5878710
Wow your penis is so big
>>5878704
lol

>>5878676
>flat screen
you got those reversed

in the process of recapping my crt's neckboard. my assumption is that this is a non polar electrolytic cap, but the board has a plus sign on the underside. could i replace this with a mylar or polyester cap, or should i stick with np electrolytic?

>>5879028
fuck, forgot pic.

>>5879028
and pic or board

>>5878854
FF9 sucks

>>5879102
>ff9 sucks
No u
>>5879040
>>5879028
>>5879043
If it marks the polarity on the board you could try a polar cap. I would be safe and use a nonpolar one, though.
If you try a polarized cap and it blows up, it isn't _likely_ to cause permanent damage to everything else. But it shouldn't blow up if you use the orientation the silkscreen suggests.
You are correct, that is probably a nonpolar cap you're holding.

>>5879028
and mylar/poly might be ok, but remember that at high frequencies or temperatures polyester behaves somewhat badly.
I'd stick to electrolytic. nonpolar if possible.

>>5879142
any idea what chemistry i should use? non polar electrolytic caps are expensive, can i use mylar or polyester or ceramic?

>>5879160
I just said.
>>5879153

I'd use a polarized electrolytic and follow the markings on the board, if you really can't be bothered to spend a few bucks on your CRT.

>>5879165
appologies, thanks for the tip.

>>5879165
>>5879160
And ceramic _might_ work OK there. But just make sure whatever you used is rated for >=100V and is capable of operating at at least 16khz (rounding up).

>>5879169
>>5879168
Just remember: they likely picked a nonpolar electrolytic because it was better suited for the job than anything you've just thrown out there. If they thought they should be able to get away with cheaper they likely would have done so. If anything looks wrong with your picture, that'd be the first thing I'd go back to.

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to connect my PC to an RGB pro monitor (15khz). I need to figure out how to combine horizontal and vertical sync to csync. I'm not worried about the difference between 31khz and 15khz, just the sync difference. I'm not seeing much info on this, but is it possible to just use a Y-cable to combine H+V into csync, just like combining left and right audio channels into mono? When making an adapter cable, can I just solder the csync line to both the H and V lines on the VGA side and call it a day?

This is going to be for use with crt_emudriver. The guide I saw doesn't discuss cabling and hookups, unfortunately.

I dont know anything about technology. what crt should I buy? I just want to plug in and play

>>5879628
OR them together with a 74ls32 or similar.
Your monitor will likely sync to TTL just fine.

>>5879632
if you know nothing you should learn
We don't even know your price point.

>>5879753

300$

>>5879757
type RGB monitor on ebay and find a $300 one that works

>>5879763

thank you.

>>5879764
make sure it's s-video and composite only. if you get an rgb one it'll probably be too complicated to set up.

https://www.analogue.co/dac/
>New digital to analog converter
Thoughts?

>>5879793

yeah I think Ill stick to composite I looked at the back of one of them and I dont know where anything goes

>>5879807
>Other Features
>NTSC & PAL
>RGB Composite Switch
>RGB Seperate Synch
>RGB Synch on Green
Nice attention to detail over there. Somebody help them.

>>5879628
There are extron units that do this. Extron 109xi did it for me, I paid under $20 shipped for mine.

>>5879813
This should help.

>>5879880
This should also help

>>5879807
You're a retard
>Reference Quality on a CRT & PVM.
>PVM's are somehow not CRT's
>gold plated I/O
>We engineered DAC completely from the ground up
>for the most discerning enthusiast
So it's basically them preying on stupid people with money to burn. What's new?

>>5879880
Is that a 1944Q?
Looks a lot like one I used to have.

>>5879807
You can buy an entire SNES and Genesis for that price. What the hell?

>>5879927
Their target market is retards with more money than sense.

>>5879908

what do those do? and where do I put them?

>>5879807
I'm tempted, I've wanted a high-quality converter like this for a while.

>>5879807
Analogue is cancer, a raspberry pie can do everything a supernt can do times fucking 10

>>5880064
For what? This thing only works with Analogue consoles.

>>5880074
Obviously considering they’re both emulators.

>>5879880
Hey idiot, might wanna check those plugs again. You’re supposed to put all three on the same row. You don’t even get sound like that.

>>5880095
Ah, nevermind then. I guess I didn't read closely enough. I want someone to make a purpose-built DAC like that for SD CRT connectivity.
Is a Tendak my best bet?

>>5880064
There are plenty of high quality converters that cost less. All they have is apple-esque marketing and a shiny website.

Engineers can make great products and not care about web design; remember that. If you care about the look of a website/the case a product is in more than the product itself you get Apple.

>>5880119
Kek, you forgot to never forget.

>>5880138
people make rgbhv to ypbpr transcoders which is all you need to hook a pc up to a component capable tv.

>>5880138
I've been using one of these with my OSSC, PS4, and HDMI-only laptop, and it works pretty well: https://www.amazon.com/Portta-Converter-Component-Optical-Support/dp/B00KW6BXRG/

>>5880143
>Engineers can make great products and not care about web design
I get that, but the impression I have of HDMI to analog video converters is that they're all the same cheap, Chinese devices rebranded by different companies.
>>5880168
I have a good one of those (the SB-2840), but that's not all you need. Not all video cards will output 15.6kHz analog video (or analog video at all, nowadays). I can get it to the right color space, but having the right scan rate is a different problem altogether.
>>5880178
Does it allow you to select 240p (or similar) resolutions when you connect it via the HDMI port on your laptop?

>>5880189
>Does it allow you to select 240p (or similar) resolutions when you connect it via the HDMI port on your laptop?
Not directly, but I haven't looked into forcing it. Dunno if that's even possible with Intel graphics. It does work with 240p (passthrough) output from the OSSC, so I assume it would also work with a PC if you had the right drivers or whatever.

>>5880189
Chinese products are not necessarily bad (although they could be).
A quality digital to analogue adapter should NOT cost $70-$80 to make en masse. They just use FPGA's because theirs is not en masse.

>>5880119
I think he's demo-ing what RCA to BNC adapters look like. Would have said something otherwise.
>>5879984
Plug one end into the BNC plugs on your monitor, and then connect your RCA composite video or whatever to that.

>>5880242
So do you know of a good device that does what I'm looking for, or no?

>>5880260
IDK, are you looking for an HDMI to VGA converter?
Here's something that looks promising, and also $30 cheaper.
https://www.siig.com/av-products/converters/hdmi-to/hdmi-to-vga/aluminum-hdmi-to-vga-adapter-converter-with-audio.html

It's not a scaler; their scaler is much more expensive https://www.siig.com/av-products/converters/hdmi-to/hdmi-to-vga/hdmi-to-vga-audio-scaler-converter.html

>>5880272
That was a low effort search btw. There are likely cheaper ones that will do the same thing. Siig has treated me well in the past though.

Analog is 3 years late but hey, at least they actually followed through with one of their promises: analog output from the Super and mega NT. I think this device is meant for someone who’s already part of the analog ecosystem ie. has at least a super nt and a mega nt. The thing is, if they if they already have a PVM, why in the holy mother or hell would they not own a origInal snes or genny? Theyve just had a crt they’re holding on to for all these years? And why market this to pvm users exclusively? I just don’t get it. Better off buying a rgb modded snes mini of the blocky aesthetic of the original snes isn’t to your liking.

>>5880189
Any geforce card with analog out will do 15khz no issue. It's only radeons which wont do it without custom drivers.

>>5880272
>>5880278
No, that's not quite what I'm looking for. I'm looking for an all-in one HDMI to analog + video downscaler device. I want to feed it HDMI from a computer, and get 15.6Hz, 240p RGB (or YPbPr) output.
I know there are conflicts between HDMI and SD video, but HDMI theoretically supports any arbitrary resolution (but I don't think it does a lower refresh rate than 30Hz), so I feel like such a device ought to exist.
As far as I know, such a device does not exist, and the only solution I'm aware of is to combine an HDMI to VGA converter with an Extron (or similar) scaler. Analogue's new device seems to do exactly that, if it does indeed just take the regular HDMI output of their reproduction consoles and output SD RGB. Maybe they're accomplishing it with internal trickery, though. Maybe their consoles will require a firmware update that lets them recognize the Analogue DAC and then send some purpose-designed signal over the HDMI interface that can be perfectly interpreted into SD RGB analog video.
I'd probably be better off just emailing Analogue and asking them if it's exclusively functional with their consoles. If they say yes, then I'm probably right about it not being a regular HDMI signal.

>>5880314
>The thing is, if they if they already have a PVM, why in the holy mother or hell would they not own a origInal snes or genny? Theyve just had a crt they’re holding on to for all these years? And why market this to pvm users exclusively?
Because stupid people like the kinds that have CRT's and still buy an Analogue (tm) console are the kinds that think the only good CRT's are PVM's.
This is clearly not the case (see >>5878494 ), but good luck telling that to someone who also probably uses Apple products.
>Better off buying a rgb modded snes mini of the blocky aesthetic of the original snes isn’t to your liking.
Or buy a super famicom. Either way.
>>5880324
>downscaler
Where the fuck on that analogue page does it even MENTION downscaling? Or the word scale? Or the word resolution?
>I want to feed it HDMI from a computer, and get 15.6Hz, 240p RGB (or YPbPr) output.
*15.6KHz
And how do you want to accomplish that? Ignoring every other line? Averaging each pair of lines together? There are lots of ways to "downscale." The best way to get 15.6Khz video is to have a device that can output it (probably running a Linux kernel).
https://github.com/TiBeN/15khz-arcade-pkg/blob/master/doc/15khz-package-documentation.md has some details if you don't want to figure out anything for yourself.
For nvidia cards, I've also made the binary official nvidia drivers work at 640x240, and just scaled 2:1 in retroarch or similar to make it display normally on a crt.
Or just use the real fucking consoles

>>5880347
p.s. my nvidia example is to show that the github page is slightly inaccurate on what is possible, but all the information it does give is good if you are trying to accomplish things the way they did.

>>5880324
>Analogue's new device seems to do exactly that, if it does indeed just take the regular HDMI output of their reproduction consoles and output SD RGB.
That's because their consoles can be made to digitally output video at ~15.6KHz horizontal scan rates.
>Maybe they're accomplishing it with internal trickery, though.
No, you're just ignorant of how HDMI and DVI-D work. Nothing about it inherently makes HDMI incapable of working at 240p. I've talked with kevtris about this on nesdev (he did the HDMI NES mod and was involved in the original Analogue NT. He might also be involved in these newer ones but I'm not sure) about this.

>>5880347
Go back discord please miss(mister)

>>5880381
Nah I use IRC.
Discord is evil and for retarded gaymur normies

>>5880386
Nice roleplay, irc is dead

>>5877339
>but unless you're up to making or paying for custom cables, it's a legit non meme option.
Is there a source for bare AV connector plugs for consoles? I've searched from aliexpress and ebay, but can only find premade cables which are either absolute shit, overpriced or both. Some of the connectors on those can be dismantled but some are molded and it seems to be a gamble which ones you happen to get. I'd rather build my own cables as I've got hundreds of meters of multicore coax.

>>5880442
https://console5.com/store/parts/proprietary-av-plugs.html

>>5880423
Says someone who is never on efnet's dev channels
>>5880442
Which console in particular?

>>5880448
>$2.59 connector
>$15.56 postage
Why are the shipping costs from US so high nowadays? 10 years ago you could actually think of buying something but that's just crazy.

>>5880454
$4 for a padded mailer for me. Try living in a better country.

>>5880459
I rather take RGB input in any consumer set made since early 80's.

>>5880463
That's gotta leave a mark…
But I'd rather have 60hz from any TV made since 1941 and from any console ever sold

>>5880562
>>5880463
(but I am mad jelly that you got some MSX2 computers)

>>5880454
That seems high, but don't expect some sort of international shipping to ever be cheap. That said, I try to minimize the hurt from postage costs by planning things out and buying a bunch of parts for various upcoming projects all at once.

>>5880314
Yeah, but that goes for everything about the FPGA consoles in general. Either play on the real thing or just emulate. I don't see the purpose of buying expensive boutique FPGA consoles. And inb4 some "muh accuracy" shit, you damn well know that doesn't actually matter, especially for most of these older 3rd/4th gen consoles. Which actually makes their focus all the more odd IMO. I'd think it'd be more worthwhile to make FPGA clones of N64 and Saturn due to how hit-or-miss emulation on those can be.

>>5879750
>>5879876
So I just went for it and put the horizontal and vertical sync lines together, and I get a proper picture on my PVM.
What exactly is the purpose of the components you guys mentioned if just combining the lines works fine? Or am I missing something?

>>5880682
That would take actual effort and development and wouldn't print money like the older stuff.

>>5880562
Almost any TV will sync to 60Hz just fine and even adding NTSC color decoding is usually quite trivial if it doesn't already exist and the system cannot output RGB.

>>5880674
It used to be far cheaper. I bought a lots of stuff from US about a decade ago and the shipping costs were very reasonable back then.

>>5880682
Also I should note that there are a few instances of FPGAs delivering a fairly worthwhile product. The CD add-on replacers for PCE and Genesis seem good, albeit a little pricey, but they're definitely something I'd consider before delving into trying to get all the shit set up for a proper PCE CD setup, or getting a working Sega CD that's already going to cost an arm and a leg anyway.

Nes via composite, mitsubishi tv

wew lad, at last I can play sanic mania in native 240p on a CRT.

>>5880690
It's mainly because you're connecting two low impedance outputs together and that can potentially damage gear over time since it will be driving a lot more current than it's supposed to.
You should really sum them using two resistors, at the very least.

But if it works and you're OK with it, power to you.
If anything breaks (and it may not break) it will likely be the console/graphics card rather than the PVM.
>>5880705
My (model 2) Sega CD was $60 in 2015, and it came with a Model 1 Genesis that I sold off to bring it down to ~$20.

>>5881273
and it's worth noting that sega cd has no copy protection. It does have region locking, which can be bypassed by loading a foreign Mega CD Bios off a flash cart.

>>5881273
Thanks, I appreciate the info. This sort of electrical engineering knowledge is something I have no clue about. However I do know that my Extron's ADSP function brings any voltages higher than TTL-level down to that, so that would be the simplest fix anyway since I plan on incorporating this PC into my old game setup for emulators, mame, throwback games like sonic mania and AM2R, etc.

Also it appears that it's just my BVM that handles this ghetto way of H+V=Csync 100% properly. I daisy chained the output to my panasonic PVM and I was getting bent warping at the very top of the image. Most of it was cut offf by overscan, but it's still evidence that everything is not correct.

But after doing some more investigation, turns out csync can be forced to output through the Hsync line anyway. I couldn't get it to work earlier, but I finally got that right. So I just desoldered the Vsync line from my DIY'd cable and now it's all good.

>>5881324
Glad you figured it out.
>panasonic PVM
You do realize that PVM refers to the part numbers used by Sony monitors, right?
Just call it a Panasonic monitor, please.
I know it's a petty thing to get annoyed by, but I guess it triggers my autism or something.

>pic
Wish I could kill these cunts already.

>>5881324
Might be solvable on the panasonic by switching off termination, or by switching the orders of the monitors in the daisy chain and turning off termination on the panasonic.
Mine has switches for that, at least.

>>5881324
and FWIW my panasonic monitor and my PVM both sync to TTL signals just fine. I run csync from my genesis through a 74LS08 to buffer its open-collector sync signal.

any recommendations for crt computer monitors? there's never much discussion about them

Are ththe any 5 inch tvs with either scart, bnc or s-video?

>>5881494
Most are good
Giving any particular model number will instantly make that PC monitor become a meme worth 1,000x what it should actually cost.
So just find a nice one and say it's the best ever. PC monitors are usually made to much tighter tolerances than TV's.

>>5881523
>naming plug types instead of signal types
BNC often carries composite video, so yes.

>>5881527
brightness was cranked a little high there, unfortunately
It's hard to compensate for my camera sensor fast enough for cutscenes.

>>5881524
"I know what I've got" syndrome.
>"they aren't making any more of these"

>>5877576
No need for a PCB, can be wired directly.

Buy my shit.

>>5880454
Because USPS spends so much on handling packages coming into US that they "have to" raise prices going out.

>>5881527
So BNC can have more kind of signals like scart?

>>5881418
No, I will continue to use PVM as a generic term. "panasonic monitor" is too generic and doesn't give enough information on what display type I'm talking about, or whether I'm talking about a standard def device or a PC monitor. But everyone knows exactly what I mean if I say Panasonic PVM.

>>5881807
BNC is just a connector. It's no different than an standard RCA connector except with a locking mechanism. Any type of signal that can be sent over RCA can be sent over BNC

>>5881875
>doesn't give enough information on what display type I'm talking about, or whether I'm talking about a standard def device or a PC monitor. But everyone knows exactly what I mean if I say Panasonic PVM.
Except based on *context*, it is clear that we are talking about a standard definition monitor.
Stop being retarded on purpose so you can keep being wrong.

>>5881807
Kill yourself.

>>5881892
stop being autistic about this. I also call non-bandaid-brand adhesive bandages bandaids. I even call brand X gelatin desert jello.

>>5881908
That's a little different though because pro SDTV monitors existed before Sony started making them. Conrac was an early manufacturer, for instance, and is where the SMPTE-C phosphor name came from. (C for Conrac).

>>5881916
doesn't matter. PVM is an easy catch-all name for, well, professional video monitors. It gets used as a catch-all whether you like it or not.

>>5881935
OK. You're wrong, but OK

On my CRT monitor, the color red is blurry for me (red text), but others are fine. Why?

Got a 1987 RGB ikegami that works fine except for the contrast control on the front which does nothing. Any idea how to fix it?

>>5882412
Pic

>>5876330
Enjoy your radiation

>>5882431
Harmful levels of radiation from CRTs wasn't a thing since the early 80s. Stop repeating false claims and retarded memes.

>>5882445
earlier than that even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_Control_for_Health_and_Safety_Act_of_1968

>>5882416
Your photography skills could use some work.
If that's a phone picture, consider using OpenCamera, enabling the Camera2 API, and then adjusting exposure settings manually.
That said, that should be a good monitor. Nice job.
>>5882412
>Any idea how to fix it?
Maybe take out the front control panel, or show us what the mechanism of the potentiometer looks like. Also, give us a service manual and/or a name of the particular model.

>>5882331
1) degauss.
2) recap your neckboard.
3) recap your deflection circuitry (might need to find a service manual or just recap everything if you don't know how to identify deflection circuitry).
Also could just be that your video cable is bad and the red line is picking up interference.
PC monitor or TV monitor?

>>5882613
>>5882412
One thing to try might be just working the knob back and forth repeatedly for a few minutes. That can scrape corrosion off the potentiometer, if nothing else is wrong with it.

what good is a CRT with RGB?

>>5882860
It's good for displaying things in RGB.

>>5882860
component I mean, not RGB

>>5882860
It's good for displaying things in component.

>>5882990
but games that benefit from component work well on modern tvs

>>5883002
What a profoundly ignorant thing to say.

>>5883010
i c

>>5882613
>Also, give us a service manual and/or a name of the particular model.
Ikegami tm14-16r

>>5883002
That doesn't even make any sense. component has nothing to do with resolution. 240p on component is going to be handled bv a TV no better or worse than composite at 240p.

Well I'm officially a moron. I made my first bnc rgb cable and spent 2 hours resoldering and checking continuity on the cable because the picture was tinted pink. It was in component mode. All I had to do was fucking switch it.

hey /vr/, I don't ever go on here or know jack shit about CRTs but I thought I'd ask since you guys seem knowledgeable on the topic
when I was visiting my father he had a ton of old computer related shit he was throwing out, among it was a sony trinitron multiscan g400 19" monitor that I ended up asking if I could take off him so I did, just got home and set it up
Is this a good monitor? looking online it looks like the MSRP was $1000~ USD back in 1999 so I assume it's great but I've also heard something about not all crts actually being good for gaming purposes, even high end ones. been using it for the last hour or two to play symphony of the night and it looks incredible though

>>5883364
Sounds like trash, I'll take it off your hands for you though.

>>5883364
That's a really good monitor. I have one from the same line (rebadged for Silicon Graphics) and it's nice. It's not the "right" kind for retro gaming on real consoles (though it can be made to work pretty ideally with other expensive purpose-made AV equipment, like line doublers). For emulation it's just fine (though emulation isn't my preferred way to play).
If you're happy with how it looks, that's great. You should go enjoy your monitor and get away from here before you end up like me with 11 different CRTs and tons of weird cables and connectors and transcoders and switchers.

>>5883442
What's the best way to set it up for emulation? Just plug and play like I'm doing now? Or do people twiddle around with emulator presets?

This game is so weird and pretty.

>>5883356
That's OK, it was your first time.

Took me about an hour to figure out that I was still getting colors on my PS1's yellow RCA jack after hooking luma to it and cutting the trace because the jack had a separate ground from the multi-AV port.

>/CRT/ General

I think the RGB from my SCPH-1001 (PU-8 main board) is blurrier than from my 5501 (PU-18). Not sure if it's just capacitors, or something deeper. Can't find many people who say the 1001 looks worse, so I am suspecting that my board has dying caps or something.
In any case, as of today I now have two working PSX's. And the yellowed one (1001) even has a matching yellowed memory card.
Never mind that the 1001 is held together with hot glue because the screw posts have all shattered.

>ordered a remote for the 20" trinitron i picked up a few weeks ago so i can fix the awful tilting the picture has
>just checked and it hasnt even shipped yet
hold me bros, will i ever get to be part of the crt master race?

>>5883743
It's okay. took two weeks for an amiga floppy drive to ship from one state away. You aren't alone in the struggle.

Also you can probably get into a service menu with a universal remote. I've had luck with them.

>>5883724
Odd; I thought most people said the 1001 looked "cleaner?"

I've always thought s-video and such are better on the later units, but I don't know why RGB would be so much worse.
Apparently, some PU-8's have an earlier, very different GPU revision than all later ones. Does the GPU output analogue RGB? or is it put through a separate DAC somewhere?

>>5883745
yeah im honestly about to put a bag of fuck it on it and just walk to the dollar store and pick up a universal remote with a display button and do it that way. not the aesthetic i wanted but playing on an hdtv just isnt fun. wife thought i was crazy grabbing that box tv, when i showed her how much they go for she was very suprised, even more so when i showed her chrono trigger on the crt vs the hd tv. the tilt kills it though, makes me feel nauseous.

>>5876559
>>5877669
>>5878676
>>5882416
>>5883724
Soundcucks.

>>5876863
Defeats the point of a CRT thread if you can't see it on a CRT.

Any CRT's that are smaller than 10 inch and have a scart or S-video?

>>5884053
yes.

>>5879880
I cringe when I see this pic.
How could I have been so dumb?!

Any potential hazards to putting this 2002 Magnavox mc132dmg01 on its side for vertical games? I'm mostly concerned about how the tube is being supported and if rotation would put too much stress on it, as well as any ventilation issues.

hey, cap card guy finally got someone
>>5884194
only if you put it on a wire rack with at least 6" of air beneath it, and possibly a fan pointing at it
take pics when you're done

>>5884194
IDK, maybe show us how it's built instead of a retarded photo of the outside
We don't know everything about every stupid generic TV ever made

>>5883929
Cuckcuck.

>>5883929
What a worthless human. Poor B8 M8.

>>5884183
Meh, it's all good we all start somewhere, think of all the joy and giggles it spawned.

>>5884396
It doesn't bother me that so many anons had a laugh at my expense,
I deserved it after all.
Still cringe, lol.

>>5879918
It's a 2044qm.

>>5883724
>>5883752
I think that only applies to composite encoding.

>>5884159
Do you know any specific models/brands?

>>5881698
The reason USPS has to raise prices so often and so much is because they're required to follow a bunch of expensive federal employee requirements (not all of them, since they aren't actually federal employees) for their enormous army of postal workers, but they have to pay for it all themselves without federal/tax funding. All while competing against smaller shipping companies that don't have to deliver standard letters, catalogs, and postcards for pennies, or follow any of those same employee requirements. It's a wonder how USPS is still often the cheapest and most reliable shipping option up to a certain weight and size. Their only luxury is not owning and maintaining their own fleet of aircraft, only land vehicles.

>>5881418
>>5881875
>>5881908
>>5881935
Probably better to standardize on "pro monitor" while we still can, the way it's still common to say "presentation monitor" instead of Megaview. Being smarter about it now can prevent a Kleenex situation. It's not too late, the hobby is full of ignorant people already so let's manage this right.

>>5881878
>It's no different than an standard RCA connector except with a locking mechanism.
It's impedance-matched, so it's better at preventing certain artifacts caused by mismatch, especially in the cases of long runs of cable and intermediate switching/splitting/daisy-chained devices.

>>5884661
They're called broadcast or production monitor, which is what I think the B and P stand for in BVM and PVM, respectively.
Searching by using production and/or broadcast monitor usually turns up better results. People that use PVM/BVM in ads for non Sony monitors probably know what the market has become.

>>5883235
so then why bother?

>>5883515
What game is this?
And this >>5883724

>>5883743
I had to throw mine out because it was filthy from the previous owner

CRT is a manufactured meme made by corporate overlords so you emulate old games with shitty distortions.

>>5879807
As with anything analogue makes, I really want it, but not for that price.

>>5884860
how do they benefit from that?

>>5884897
They will sell you Super Mario Bros. for NES again for just $5

>>5884661
>Probably better to standardize on "pro monitor" while we still can, the way it's still common to say "presentation monitor" instead of Megaview. Being smarter about it now can prevent a Kleenex situation. It's not too late, the hobby is full of ignorant people already so let's manage this right.
/argument
I think you've perfectly phrased what I could not.
>>5884437
>I think that only applies to composite encoding.
It's more prevalent there but it can matter for any kind of analogue signal.
>>5884707
There are old computer monitors that are at least as good as a "broadcast or production" monitor, though. They're called monitors because they are better than TV's.
Also I've been to TV stations (years ago when they still used tubes) that didn't have any "BVM" monitors at all despite using mostly Sony equipment, only "PVM's". It's a marketing differentiation, nothing more.
>>5884786
>and this >>5883724
That's FF 9. I have no idea what the first one you asked about is, though. I'm also curious. guessing a final fantasy.
>>5884860
>CRT is a manufactured meme made by corporate overlords so you emulate old games with shitty distortions.
Lol, if that's the case then why don't any corporations make color CRT monitors anymore?
>>5884904
But they don't. No one makes official NES cartridges for the original hardware anymore, and the new systems suck for playing on a CRT. You can't even use Wii VC anymore, which was probably the last system that would do 240p that was "official."

>>5884786
Chrono Cross

>>5884908
>Power PR enters the Board
>LOOK AT ALL MY ARGUMENTS
>THEY ARE ALL BETTER THAN YOURS
>But they don't. No one makes official NES cartridges for the original hardware anymore
>I WILL JUST AVOID THE FACT THAT NINTENDO ACTUALLY SOLD HIS OLD ROM GAMES ON THE NINTENDO SHOP

>>5876330
yeah those envelope-pushing prerendered 3D graphics from the late 90s were definitely made to be viewed on 30-year old TVs

>>5884941
Whatever, it has the scan line effect. Fuck you. Let me enjoy things.

>>5884935
>I WILL JUST AVOID THE FACT THAT NINTENDO ACTUALLY SOLD HIS OLD ROM GAMES ON THE NINTENDO SHOP
Nintendo isn't a "he," it's an "it."
And I also mentioned that they did sell their titles on Wii virtual console for a while. But they haven't since Gamespy shut down years ago. Wii was the last system that would even output analogue 240p, and it's EOL.
>LOOK AT ALL MY ARGUMENTS
>THEY ARE ALL BETTER THAN YOURS
Well yeah, mine are better than yours because they make sense and have a basis in reality. I'll treat any future replies to this from you as trolling because I suspect that's all this is already.

>>5884996
great cointelpro
just wait
they will sell it to you again

>>5885027
I only buy physical media

I built my first rgb cable and want to build another for my Nintendo consoles. Which consoles need 220uf capacitors on the rgb lines?

Looking to build a new (modern) computer. Currently my CRT monitor only has VGA input. No modern video cards have analog output.

What's the best way for me to get my CRT working with a new video card if my only input option is VGA?

>>5885124
SNES and any others built to SNES specifications.

>>5884824
If you can open a remote control without making the seams look like they were gnawed at by rats (assuming you have to do a bit of prying and not just a simple unscrewing), their internal components and casings are very easy to clean thoroughly. Just about the only thing you have to be careful with is rubbing out printed button labels, especially if you use a solvent cleaner.

>>5885159
980ti still has analag output, otherwise some of the new ryzen motherboard still have vga out

>>5885159
If you have a GPU that does DVI, you can see if it can output an analogue signal, or if it's just digital-only. If it can output analogue, it's the same signal as VGA and you just need an adapter so your standard d-sub VGA cable can hook up.
Otherwise you can get some sort of DAC. I think there are lots of HDMI-to-VGA converters, but I haven't dabbled.

oh my god, this thread is so fucking funny for all the wrong reasons. are people really so young that they dont know anything about RCA connections let alone how to connect them?

let people waste their money, in the future it will be cheaper for people already invested in this hobby.

>>5885458
shut up, it's harder than you think

>>5885458
They just don't want to spend more than they have to and are afraid they're buying the wrong things.

>>5885558
lol no

What would you all suspect to be the point of failure in a circa 2000 PC monitor that starts up with very distorted picture and makes ticking sounds that gradually increase in intensity and correspond to a worsening of the picture stability?

>>5886465
integrated Taliban explosive

So ivd been using composite video for sync. How would csync be different? Is the difference that while I can use either as a sync, I wouldn't be able to use csync to display video?

>>5886708
Some monitors require csync. Also, if you're using shitty unshielded cables, composite video can cause visible interference in the other signals. If composite video works for you and you're not getting interference, there's no reason to bother with csync.

>>5886716
Thanks. I don't see any noticeable interference. The cable I'm using is communication cable made up of 5 mini coaxial cables, but since I needed 6 conductors (r, g, b, audio l, audio r, and sync), I used a single yellow rca cable and routed it along side the communication cable. The actual rgb lines should be very well shielded but the composite cable is about as shielded as any normal rca cable would be.

>>5886729
That should be perfectly fine.

>>5885269
they're only useful for APUs

If I don't have much money to spend (<£100) am I likely to be able to get anything that's actually going to be noticeably better than a modern IPS monitor?

The only things I can find in my local area are very cheap 12'' korean tv's, I can't find any JVC's or Sony's or the other brands that are mentioned in the sticky?

>>5886810
>£
Surely you can find some random cheap TV with RGB SCART input? I wouldn't worry that much about brands to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8BVTHxc4LM
get ready for the crt fad

>>5886825
The CRT fad has been going on for years already. John's late to the party.

>>5886825
More like monitor fad.

>>5886825
I took a look at his twitter and it’s full of people saying they picked one up thanks to his video/tweets. So yeah, it’s the new meme to fall for. Good luck getting one for cheap on craigslist in the future, faggots!

>>5886708
when I used composite video for sync on a genesis, it worked but the screen would shift to the side slightly on dark screens
I had to use an lm1881 to strip the sync, basically composite video contains csync within it

>>5887323
Yeah I'll do csync on the next cable. Does the csync line need to be grounded?

Posted last thread but was away from home for a while. Finally back to post some pics of the CRT I picked up in action

>>5887573
Really happy with how it looks on the snes mini via hdmi. Maybe that's cheating but fuck it. Gamecube with s-video is really nice as well

>>5887573
You did take the test of the tng takes, right anon?

>>5887581
No I hoped the dude would come back to retrieve the rest... I'll never know what happened to the rest of that set

>>5887573
>>5887580
Here's a close-up I guess. All the pics I take of it running seem really oversaturated

>>5876330
damn bros idk what to do. pvm is showing this bright red image. i tried factory resetting, changing to different cables, switching between component and rgb format, hitting the side of the crt. nothing helps.

I've got a KV-20FS100, setup colors in service menu, via component. Composite has such a washed out green compared to component and is oversharp, is this normal? Didn't touch any Y/C settings.

>>5887573
Fffff hahaha I live there, I was eyeing that one, the alley by the beer garden...
Congrats, I've got a 20" I found down lettered streets a year ago

>>5887591
What format? Composite tends to have a wash of fuzzy blue when the set is tuned to the component ins. At least in my shitty experience.

>>5887632
>hitting the side of the crt
jesus christ

>>5884761
Component gets a nicer looking signal to the TV than composite.

>>5887668
Just from the pictures my phone is taking, in person the colors are really vivid

>>5886825
They've been shilling PVM monitors for years to rag on shitty CRT filters, this is nothing new.

I use pic related to connect a CRT Emudriver card to my PVM 1354Q via component. Would I see any improvement by finding a way to connect the videocard VGA to the RGB inputs in the PVM

>>5887580
Make sure it's not defaulting to vivid. I have a similar set but unfortunately the hdmi doesn't work. These retards parrot HD crt bad, but they are fucking amazing sets, literally the culmination of crt tech. You can do other things besides retro gaming, DVD, blueray, Netflix, modern gaming, hook a pc to it, etc. Great sets, enjoy it! I'm on the lookout for another local one but they don't pop up much as shitty projection tvs were the norm around here at that time period.

>>5888294
No improvement as long as you have it properly set up. But before buying that transcoder, sticking to RGB would have been the more straightforward option since your display already has the inputs.

>>5887671
Sounds dumb, but if it helps, you know you have a loose connection or cold/cracked solder joint somewhere.

>>5887653
What did you use to decide the values?

Does "open" on a pinout mean no connection? Does anyone here have any experience wiring up a db25 connector?
I'd like to make a db25 to breakout bnc cable/adapter. If I'm reading this right, and I'm probably not, having pin 2 in low state makes it so I can use line a/b for audio input. Which would be greay beacaise I could get stereo. Leaving it in high state gives me audio through pin 13 only, making it mono. How do I give it less than 0.4v? I think all I need is:
Pin 2- low state (how?)
Pin 3- composite for sync
Pin 4- blue
Pin 5- green
Pin 6- red
Pin 9- high state, open(no connection?)
Pin 10- high state, 5V
Pin 12- high state, 5V
Pin 13 - audio, maybe
Pin15-24 - ground
How retarded am I?

>>5888294
VGA is RGB. All you need is a VGA-BNC breakout cable. CRT_emudriver lets you force your GPU to output CSYNC as well, so you just plug in the H-sync line and leave the V-sync line dangling. I made my own breakout cable and it works like a charm.

>>5888407
"open" is "not connected" yeah, it mean by default it is pulled up (high state) to 5v by an internal resistor.
to put it to low state you connect it to ground

>>5888414
Very cool, thanks. The only other question I think I have is the bit that says "negative polarity" on pin 3. I'm not really sure what that means in that case.

Is there a proper way to connect a modded psclassic to an European crt (with rgb scart) ?

>>5888431
negative polarity is the sync type.
15khz is nearly always negative so it's not a problem.
Although the monitor might require pure sync ? If it's the case and your console doesn't provide that sync you need an additional sync stripping circuit.

>>5888446
I just looked and the monitor does require a pure sync, which sucks because I wired the console cable up to be cvbs, and I hot glued the absolute ass out of the inside of the hood after confirming it worked on a different monitor. I guess I can get sync stripper, it should fit in the massive db25 hood. So I would keep my console cable the same, cvbs, and put a sync stripper in the hood before it gets to the monitor.
Would I have to wire up subsequent cables as cvbs also, or can I run a pure sync through a sync stripper without any issues?

>>5888376
I actually bought the transcoder way before the PVM, it was for use with a Philips CRT because SCART was never a thing here in Brazil.

>>5888294
You could well seen an improvement. A lot of those cheap transcoders reduce sharpness or mess with the colors. Even the Shinybow one that everyone recommends is not perfect: https://imgur.com/a/TIkUg3s

>>5888583
Can confirm. I have a generic CSY2100 clone that I bought back before I was able to acquire a PVM for use with my consumer set. Did its job well enough, although I would have to open the thing up and adjust the potentiometers inside (and there's no actual documentation so I just had to fiddle around and try to figure things out) to try to get the right color balance.
Not sure why this is necessary. You'd think the transcoding from RGB to YPbPr color space would be purely mathematical with no need to subjectively tweak things to look right, but whatever.

scannlines is a shitty manufactured industry meme

>>5888956
Reminder that CRT monitors are superior to CRT televisions in every single way, and that scanlines/composite noise

PC always wins.

>>5888956
Reminder that CRT monitors are superior to CRT televisions in every single way, and that scanlines/composite noise is indeed a meme.

PC always wins.

>>5888956
I've seen a lot of people say scanlines add to the detail so I made sure that I got a high tvl tv for my first one (never had one before, I'm only 18) cause I want to play games the way they were envisioned in the creators mind. so I got a 20l5 and use it for 240p pretty much exclusively, sometimes 480i too. Looks amazing, don't regret it at all. :)

So I recently picked up a 40in Mutsubishi CRT from a lady on offerup for $20. Would this be considered a good setup for a retro room? I feel like the colors are a bit off so I'm going to spend some time tweaking them, but other than tha everything works perfectly

>>5889447
Reminder that my monitor will actually work with a light gun and that amigas are better than PC compatibles

>>5889449
>people say scanlines add to detail
They don't.
>I got a 20L5, it uses 240p almost exclusively, I don't regret it
So what you are saying is, you fell for the 20L5 meme and are additionally actually retarded. I own a 20L5 myself and can't stand 240p on it.

the "scanlines" are a side-effect rather than a cause of sharpness. I can only bear to play on a nice RGB screen when I'm too far away to really notice the scan line effect.
(at such a distance that my camera has trouble taking a good photo with this lens.)

>>5888405
240p test suite Genesis version, used the color bars and tuned to equal gradation, intensity, and made sure grey was grey. Then did color/tint with SMPTE bars and blue only. Everything component looks great. Composite not so hot. The thing sadly doesn't have s-video so I can't nail it to the composite decoder or color demodulator...I've been meaning to solder one in though, FS100s all have the leads, they just left the physical port out of the smaller ones fffffs

>>5889824
>using a console with a limited color palette to calibrate your CRT
fucking tards

SMPTE bars for everything, and adjust brightness as necessary for black levels on a per-console basis.

>>5889449
>he didn’t fall for the 900TVL BVM meme

>>5889883
Wow, your BVM-penis is so big.
And that's not even _remotely_ a /vr/ game, by the way.
>he fell for the "buying a remote instead of an RS-485 interface" meme
https://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J

>>5889904
ff9 is gay

Please help guys, I have a 29 inch Black Sony Trinitron from the 90's with a wavy image problem like in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAeJRuXzJao

Sometimes it works great but it always come back after a few minutes or hours. What is the possible cause and how can I fix it?

>>5889824
The service manual should have default values in them, which are basically as close to standard as you can get without real instruments to measure. Try those.

>>5889830
Genesis is fully capable of displaying all the primary/secondary colors displayed by a SMPTE test image. It's not like a Nintendo where it's not capable of producing colors like yellow.

The real problem with using older consoles for calibration is their weird nonstandard resolutions. For instance, if you use the SNES version of 240p test suite to set your geometry, it's going to be off for everything else.
Really wish Artemio would port the test suite to more platforms. In particular, common things like PS1 and PS2 would help immensely.

>>5890274
I think the Wii is the best candidate. The PS1 has weirdness when switching between games and render resolutions. Crash, FF7, Harmful Park, Cotton 100%, Umihara Kawase Shun SE, Finger Flashing and Korokoro Post Nin all used different display settings and it became annoying to manage them. I don't think PS1 is consistent enough.

Got this free, bulk trash day.
Fucker was heavy, think I'm on my way to a hernia.

Sony wega trinition or something. KV-20FS120.

>>5890587
Forgot the pic

>>5890590
Pray your geometry isn't completely fucked.

>>5890597
it seems okay when i tested it earlier w/Super Metroid.

>>5890587
>20"
>heavy
Work out, anon.

Also, lucky find. I picked up a lovely JVC 27" on collection day not long ago. Your guys even left the corner tape on for as long as they owned it. Remote?

>>5890725
Not him, but the issue with bigger CRTs isn't necessarily the weight, but the size/shape and most importantly the weight distribution. I can deadlift lmao5plate but carrying a 20" PVM cube was still a struggle.

>>5890817
I considered that quite well, given my own armspan and experiences. But even to me 27"/200lbs. is the limit of a solo CRT pickup. That TV is less than 60lbs. and only 20" diagonal. I could probably still do a 15 minute mile carrying it. As for weight distribution specifically, glass to chest every time.

>>5890828
I'm just saying that strength only goes so far when you get to the point where physics and leverages make it basically impossible. I do agree that a 20" consumer set is light, however. Back in my city apartment I carried a 20" trinitron a little over a mile when I saw it on the curb walking back from class.

carrying with the glass facing you can be risky though. It's optimal in terms of leverages, but you have to be careful if any part of your clothing is going to scratch the glass screen. I kinda fucked up a CRT's screen that way because it was rubbing against the button of my jeans.

>>5890840
I was specifically talking about anon's new 20FS120 and his hernia comment.

>I kinda fucked up a CRT's screen that way because it was rubbing against the button of my jeans.
I use towels and tape to cover the screen and front panel/bezel. I keep them in the trunk. If the TV hasn't already been allowed to scrape a sidewalk, I wrap the underside with towels too.

>>5890274
Or just make a test pattern DVD
>>5890725
My 20" CRT is 70 lbs and as awkward as it is heavy. Most consumer sets are lighter though.

>>5890725
no remote. didnt know to look for one, but i got a few old androids with IR blasters that work well with it.

i guess i could call her up. it was actually from my next door neighbor

>>5891079
If you want to go full completionist and your neighbor doesn't have it anymore, download the manual and look up the part number for the remote to pick up used on ebay

Halp I just bought a pvm off eBay and I'm getting this seperation. Am I boned or what?

>>5891332
Great now it made a scary sound and shut off and is displaying a red light up top

>>5891332
>falling for the PVMeme
There's your first mistake.
>shipping a CRT
There's your second.

I'd open it up and see if the neck board got dislodged or something.

>>5891332
>>5891334
>memebay
Poor guy.
Return it. It's fucked. Tell him to properly package his shit.
>>5891346
It's possible to ship a heavy CRT and have it arrive intact, but it requires careful packing.
>>5891334
Describe the scary sound.
Also do what >>5891346 suggested if you don't want to cut your losses.
It looks like you might have a deflection yoke that got unseated on the tube neck.

>>5891332
thanks doc

>>5891332
>buying a pvm
Lel

>>5891062
>70 lbs is heavy
Slow down

>>5889904
>FF9
Come play 8 with the big boys

>>5891369
got me

>>5891346
Freight is the only way I'd recommend shipping. Used uShip and one provider blanket wrapped and secured my monitor in the front seat. But you pay for what you get, it costs a lot.

>>5891423
Luckily I've never had a shipped CRT break on me, but if it didn't, aren't you 100% covered by ebay's guarantee? I imagine that means a full refund if its borked. Seller pays return shipping, but I imagine many wouldn't even want to bother with the additional cost of shipping back a broken monitor, meaning you potentially get a free (broken) monitor that you might be able to fix with some soldering or whatnot.

>>5891391
Reminder that FF5 is the best FF.
FF9 is a nice balance.

>>5891427
Yeah you'd be covered but it's amazing how many people destroy great CRTs by trying to have them shipped through UPS, don't know how to fix them, and end up sending them to be recycled

>>5891386
not everyone has time for the gym, nor the desire to be fit beyond the basics of "not being fat."

>>5891526
Sup Jared.

>>5891646
Never heard of him
Is he a youtuber? I don't watch those.
If he agrees with me he must be an OK guy though.

>>5891653
YouTuber, but goes as far back as the Screwattack days. Earlier this year this wife accused him of being a cheat, and at the same time a bunch of Tumblr kids called him a pedo. His nudes were leaked too.
A month ago he release a 40 minute response that btfo every accusation. This nigga kept his receipts.
Apart from sending his dick to fans, he seems a pretty neat guy.

>>5891680
Interesting.
I'd have to do more research to verify what I was just told, but based on purely what you've said he does sound neat.

>>5891628

>>5891628
being able to lift at least 100lbs should be a goal for everyone.

>>5891628
It is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.

>>5891628
I'm fat and btfo your strength, imagine being satisfied to be weaker than I am

How do computer monitors compare to PVMs? I've been thinking of just buying a CRT monitor and running emulators with it.

What's the best monitor to get in the 25"+ range?

>>5891960
>What's the best monitor to get in the 25"+ range?
A CRT HDTV anywhere from 27-40" that will give you 480p (real or scaled), 720p (probably scaled) and 1080i (probably real)

>>5891960
Way sharper than most PVMs. More comparable to BVMs, and 240p looks just as bad.

>>5891848
What if you go through all that work and then realize you're actually a woman? Then it would be more work to undo everything rather than going from something closer to in between.

>>5891992
what games do you speedrun, anon

>>5891992
Tell that to Bruce Jenner.

>>5891971
BVMs don't reach those high PC resolutions

>>5891717

>>5892045
But as far as line count goes, it should be comparable

>>5891967
The problem I have with consumer CRT HDTVs is that while they have a higher vertical resolution, they typically still have a low TVL count. So when displaying high-res content like 1080i, this results in a weird effect where the entire screen has vertical "scanline" (they're not actually scanlines but the low line count and high vertical resolution make it look that way)

>>5891960
Apples to oranges. You're comparing 240p 60hz monitors with 1440p, 144hz ones. I highly recommend one, but not for retro games as you don't get any scanlines due to the higher resolution.

>>5892478
>no scanlines is a problem
OK, but you're wrong
>>5892086
pic

>>5892386
Exactly how close do you sit to these things anyway?

>>5892570
>you don't play 2 feet away from a 52" TV

mitsubishi diamondtron 2070 with 240p custom resolution

>>5892841
Looks good, what's the actual resolution/refresh rate?

>>5892859

320x240 120hz
since it's a pc monitor it can't actually do 240p60hz, only 115-160hz at this resolution. i figure 120 would be good for emulating 60 fps games.

had to mess with the custom res timing. auto would set it to 640x480, all the other settings (GTF, CVT, etc) look like this.

>>5892841
wait you have scan lines and alpha blending on at the same time neo geo? or is that diagonal edge detection?

you shoudlnt have bilinear filtering (which contains alpha blending but has a little more) because they never paid for the licensing on that code. it was a hard no from snk

>>5892891

i only had a few minutes to run the thing before it crapped out on me (gonna figure out how to fix/get it fixed today). i was just doing some quick tests to see how it looked, so this is actually just a screenshot of metal slug 2. might even be a jpg. once i get it fixed i'll take pictures of actual games running.

>>5892891
nevermind, the screenshot was a png, but my phone took a jpg of the monitor.

>>5876559
Are you using swiss to output at 240p? I wish there was something as easy for PS2

>>5876559
What is the monitor?

What is the best way to convert an HDMI signal to a/v, and why?

randomly searched for "trinitron" on local ad site and got like 50+ offers, most for $15 or so. Wish I knew anything about CRTs to fish out the good ones or just avoid the really bad ones

>>5893489
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>5893491
I sent the guy a private message but some fag already alerted him to it possibly being worth big bucks.
The guys seemed open to giving it up. I offered to swing by on my way home from work. He's probably frantically googling right now but if he let's me have it or wants less than $50 or so, I'll take it from him.

Eh, it's just a 20n5U. I actually have one of those in storage. 500tvl and svideo only but can be modified for rgb relatively easily.

>These Sony Trinitrons are the best of all PVMs

>>5893687
Yeah, that triggered me nearly as badly as cutting a hole into it.

>>5893658
>can be modified for rgb relatively easily.
I've heard this a lot, but I don't think I've ever seen an example of one of these non-RGB PVMs being modded for RGB.

>>5893724
Me neither actually. I started getting ready to mod mine but then a different rgb monitor fell in my lap so I just kind of stopped. I compared the schematics with the rgb model and it's basically just adding the panel mount bnc jacks and wire them to the board, a switch, and I think there's like a resistor to be removed.
People modify consumer sets all the time and it can't be any more difficult than that.

>>5893738
>People modify consumer sets all the time and it can't be any more difficult than that.
Probably. I'm curious if there's any internal differences between the N5U models and the security ones.

>>5893740
If I remember correctly all of the N models had the same schematics with stuff like
>*not populated in N6U
So I'm pretty sure they have the same boards

Smashfags ruin everything

>>5893786
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/d6l1kg/sony_pvm_20n5u/

lmao, gettin dabbed on by redditfags

>>5893786
>>5893807
>composite/s-video only
kek trash, i spent less for a 20" full RGB PVM.

>>5893807
>>5893813
lel, I spoke to him for a bit and tried d to explain that the appeal is high tvl count and rgb functionality. I also told him that its not really uncommon to get them for free in los angeles and that the ones on CL and offerup for more money have been there for months. It's funny how quickly someone can go from scrapping it to gouging

>>5893876
I tried, boys.

>>5893876
the CRT community is not even gate kept, the arcade community is 10x worse in all ways.

>>5893876
It’s too late. The ship has sailed.

After successfully making an rgb cable for my Playstation I tried making an rgb cable for my snes and I'm having a bit of trouble, I can't get it to work. I put 220uf caps in the rgb lines and a 330ohm resistor on the csync line.
Ive checked the pins to make sure nothing is jumped that shouldn't be and everything looks fine.
The caps are polarized the correct way and still working.
The screen does not display anything distinguishable and just jumps constantly. It isn't like it's missing a sync and the snes image comes through but jumps, no clear image comes through. There's also an auditory buzz.
Any ideas? My next step was just remove all the caps and resistor and try it straight.

>>5893929
Join the discord, there’s a link on crtgaming leddit. Then ask there. I always see people discussing cable shit there.

>>5893929
What do you use sync with the playstation?

>>5893943
I used cvbs on the Playstation cable

>>5893954
Are you using an original snes or the smaller version?

>>5893943
Touching the grounded bnc housings to each other triggers a buzz.

>>5893963
I'm using an original snes.

>>5893970
Have you tried using cvbs or luma as sync?

>>5893979
I'll give it a shot. I think I might have fucked my ground up somehow..? I tried removing all of the video lines and just plugging in just the sound connectors and neither of them are doing anything. I got worried that I'm clinically retarded and might have gotten the entire pinout flipped, so I tried each of the individual lines in the sound input. To check if the fucking red line was pumping sound instead of red, but no. No combination of cables have me anything but buzz. I'll give it another shot tomorrow.

>>5893993
Some TVs mute sound if no video signal is detected.
You can use a multimeter to check for shorts or open lines.

>>5894001
Damn, I thought I was being clever. Is there any reason that I should not use both grounds? The snes pinout has pins 5 and 6 as grounds. Should I jump them together?

>>5894024
I think they are connected together inside the console anyway.
Post a picture of the inside of your snes connector if you can.

>>5894032
I can tomorrow. The camera on my phone is broken so I can only take pictures with the front camera, which makes for really shitty pictures. Thanks though.

>>5893478
NVM. Turns out raspberry pis have a combined av in the 3.5mm jack. Which is cool.

>>5894090
Sounds the same as a camcorder minijack cable then, which is also what the official PSone LCD uses for secondary input.

Is using a framemister on a HD CRT like the Sony xbr retarded? Would it be the best of both worlds or a retarded compromise?

>>5894212
Depends on what your goals are, I guess. It's not going to look anything like an SD CRT.

>>5894125
Apparently is.

>>5893876
MUH SEKRIT CLUB

>>5876856
Scart.
Component adds 480p but blurs the picture in a way other connections don't.

>>5877851
>filename

>>5892570
in my case, it's a 36" HD CRT I'm talking about. So I actually can notice the low TVL count

>>5894513
I have multiple 34" and kept one of my 36", and my question stands.

>>5894090
Just remember the audio output is mega drive II-tier bullshit.

what's the consensus on samsung's syncmasters, like 957DF for example

>>5894845
I have one, and I think it's in a bit of an odd spot. It's not amazing for DOS games due to the fine pitch (but better than no CRT of course). It's not ideal for newer games either as it only does 1600x1200@75hz, which is usable depending on how sensitive you are to flicker, but 85hz is far superior. It can do 1024x768@120hz if that's your thing though.
I've heard people bitch about the dynaflat tube, but I don't mind it.

I would recommend getting a better specced 19" or a 21" for later games and an older, courser pitch monitor for DOS games.

>>5894924
hm yea that is unfortunate now that you mention it.
Shame though, not sure if I can find anything better specced and most of those that are being sold locally are like $10 at most

>>5894506
That's not true. Picture quality is pretty much the same and scart can't do 480p.

>>5894042
>>5894032
I cut the fucking cable and started again. I left the leads long to give myself more room to work with. Looks a mess but there are no jumps where there shouldn't be. Audio and video grounds are separate, I know it shouldn't matter but fuck it. The exposed wires are a little long which means they'll pop out of the connector a bit but I'll cover it.

Like I said. It's messy, but it should fucking work. The melts are from reworking a few times.

Whatever. I won't know if it works until I get home.

>>5894506
>Scart
That's like answering with "RCA".

And you're confusing two issues. Wii's component isn't blurrier than its rgb, it's blurrier than GameCube's excellent component.

>>5894254
I just want to get the biggest CRT possible. It would be cool to run some hd xbox/ps2 stuff, but that's not as important imo

>>5895272
Did anyone ever successfully reverse engineer and copy a gamecube cable?

>>5895272
>it's blurrier than GameCube's mediocre component.
Fixed. The official component cable isn't that great and the GameCube still had subsampled chroma, so the difference between that and a late-model Wii isn't that dramatic.

>>5895304
Yes.

>>5895314
>Yes.
Got a link by any chance? All I found was an assembler games thread that derails into an hdmi mod.

>>5895321
https://insurrectionindustries.com/product/carbycomponent/
They just posted pictures of the finalized packaging on Twitter so they should be available soon. There's also EON's thing if you feel like spending more money and also getting HDMI.

>>5895314
the difference is noticeable enough to keep a gc around for its games esp. 480p and play wii games with a wii u's hdmi on a current tv, maybe for lower than 480p you're seeing no difference

>>5895343
Thanks, that's still a bit rich for my blood.