/vr/ - Retro Games

Tamamoball disappeared but i dont think its dead. Just need people to do the last 3 rooms

>>5879543
your dick is dead. working on earraping music and trying to figure out the documentation up to this point

who's doing the programming? we got almost all the rooms and tiles so how do we wrap it up together?

>>5879575
my dick is fine thank you

It's extremely close to being finished, I think if the lead ghosts on us we could still put it together.

>>5880181
weve had two (2) different leads in the entirety of the project well be fine

Three rooms left, dude. We're very very close to the end.

>>5879543
I've been waiting for the last rooms to be made but there's been no progress on them, so I might just make the rooms myself if nobody shows interest soon.
Also, I fixed the game so that you have to be on a ladder to transition upwards, so rooms where you jump near the ceiling aren't as terrible.
https://github.com/Tamamoball/Zniggy
We still need some music, people were working on that in the last thread. Also a titlescreen, and maybe some death sounds. I encourage as many people as possible to record some kind of death phrase, I can probably fit a lot of them in.
This project will be finished in some "playable" form, just a matter of how much extra we want to put in after the rooms are done.

>>5880373
Almost forgot the room list.

>no thread for like, 2 days
>zniggy is dead!!
Geez, calm down
/vr/ isn't that fast

I'll do more levels if no one else will, but I've already done so many (most of which are shit) that I want to give /vr/ at least a few more days.

>>5880479
>I'll do more levels if no one else will, but I've already done so many (most of which are shit)


this is how I feel too and I only did 5 of them

>>5880373
Cool thanks dude, I just gave it a quick try and it seems to work well. Attribute clash between zniggy and the ground is basically fixed too versus the last build I tried. It's still possible to temporarily znigg off the top of the screen e.g. top left of Rave Ocean, but you don't actually change rooms anymore so whatever, that and the brief attribute flash when zniggy lands are both "features".

>I've been waiting for the last rooms to be made
Slightly more documentation would probably help? I looked at ZniggED briefly, and it wasn't clear to me how to get it to reuse existing tiles from the tilemap as we apparently need to now.

I'd also be interested to know what you think of the idea (which I posted a few threads back but I seriously doubt it was an original thought) of adapting MM / JSW's jumping and falling sound effect code from the disassemblies out there? I'm not a spectrum coder and only have some limited familiarity with x86 asm so maybe this is harder than I think for some reason, but it seems like it ought to be possible.
https://github.com/WHumphreys/Manic-Miner-Source-Code/blob/master/ManicMiner.asm

>>5880373
Also you can still jump above the top right room City Park and wrap around to the bottom right room Purple Skein, arguably that's a useful feature though

>project started three months ago
Well if we finish in the next 2-3 weeks we'll have gotten it done about in the time it took the average Spectrum game back in the day to be completed.

>>5879543
oh shit. Is this still going on?

>>5880641
The jumping sound should be doable, might be a bit different since I probably can't adapt it 1-to-1, but I'll be able to at least make something similar.

I remember someone trying to play the game, and the snake stage had tiles located in the wrong spots. Perhaps the image to game tool is broken?

>>5881039
Awesome, yeah I wasn't proposing that we copy it exactly, just the basic logic of the routine for rising / falling pitch SFX of some kind to match jumping / falling.
> JSW version: https://skoolkit.ca/disassemblies/jet_set_willy/asm/36307.html#36323

>>5881312
Yeah room 38 has all the gems lower than they appear on the room image, resulting in one being impossible to collect since it's inside a snake.

How do I contribute to this?

>>5882272
Main code: https://github.com/Tamamoball/Zniggy
Compiler: pasmo.exe, part of https://sourceforge.net/projects/zdevstudio/
Compile commandline: pasmo --tapbas --alocal zniggy.asm zniggy.tap
(make sure Data.asm is in the same dir)

We currently need the remaining rooms to be created with ZniggED:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/tengwtlsqbxi7pz/ZniggED.zip/file

ZniggED source:
https://framadrop.org/r/deMfJHoVm3#3SCkraga+eg4/yXyl+FDolG2+w/9cLUPFWQWqgSftoU=

However as I mentioned in >>5880641 we probably also need to re-use tiles other anons have defined in the tilemap >>5880373 at this stage, so we don't exceed the maximum, and it's not clear to me how to go about doing that in ZniggED unless we're expected to carefully re-create them in the GUI a pixel at a time ...

>>5882720
I could do 42, assuming someone explains how to reuse tiles

>>5882725
*49

>>5882725
>>5882726
Cool, another thing is that I don't know how the images output by ZniggED end up encoded as actual room data in Data.asm. If this part relies on a super-sekrit tool that only Tamamoball has, that's not exactly conducive to playtesting. Also as you can see from those defs or just playing the game most rooms currently lack monsters, which will need to be addressed at some point.

>>5882720
And actually that pasmo.exe link I suggested is outdated, instead use http://pasmo.speccy.org/#down which matches the mediafire version in the first zniggy prototype

So from what I understand we have to use the existing tileset for the three rooms that are left?
How about completely phoning them in, just a single vertical and horizontal line or a swastika, some real filler bullshit.

>>5882801
I mean looking at >>5880373 it *appears* we have ~14 tiles left so maybe it's not that important at this point with only 4 rooms left to make, it's just something that keeps getting mentioned in these threads and ZniggED itself.

>>5882801
I don't think that's a good idea for 32, since it's so interconnected to the tiles around it.Plus, anons have generally done a pretty good job at making the maps connect.

>>5882801
An easymode room idea I had was a giant Zniggy, as a homage to JSW2's "Hero Worship"

>>5882831
You could probably stick it in 16, as long as the ladders matched up with what's below it.

I tried to throw something together that would connect the rooms around 49. I mostly used recycled tiles aside from the two (which are used for a hazard that can easily be replaced with a generic enemy if need be). What do I do with the two level files?

>>5883036
This is what I came up with. I think I did it right.

>>5883036
>What do I do with the two level files?

I guess just post them in this thread?

>>5879543
More like Znigger, like fuck black ppl right game devs?? sm muthafuckin hf

>>5883140
They're in bmp. Do I convert them or what?

What room is left?

>>5883197
32 and 16, although I've done a version of 32 in case nobody else does.

Let's hope I formatted this correctly.

I think I did this right.

>>5883264
I also did 32, but someone else can do it if they really want to.

>>5883264
>>5883275
Based and znigpilled

>>5883275
I like the purple tiles

znump

Is someone doing the last tile or do I have to?

>>5887126
Do it anon, finish the job

I think I got all of the suggestions in there: Giant Zniggy statue. Vertical lines. Swastika.

Hopefully it's not too complex of a screen. And I'm not 100% sure Zniggy can make these jumps, but I guess it can be tweaked if he can't.

HAHAHAHAH ZNIGGERS HAHAHAHAHAH
Z N I G G E R S HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>5887868
that's beautiful and has to be implemented in the final game

>>5887868
great now I can't show this game to my friends

>>5888804
have sex and change friends

>>5888804
Why not? Surely you're not friends with bigots who would have a problem with a sacred Buddhist symbol.

>>5888804
It's facing the right and is aligned straight, it's a typical manji (generally symbolizing good fortune, luck, and strength), not a neetsock swastika.

I'm fucking excited, please finish this game soon, anons!
Take off every znig

>>5888804
do we have enough tile memory left for obligatory sexualized loli?

>>5889057
Which one in that case?

>>5883264
>>5883275
>>5887868
Excellent work.
The final rooms are in, so we're in the final stretch. Just a few more things we need:
A nice design for the status bar
Title screen, we can use the design from the previous thread
Some 1-2 second deaths sounds/phrases, the more people who contribute the better
Title screen music, I'll need it transcribed to be able to put it in game.

As for myself, first thing I have planned is to compress the room data further, then add in all the enemies that are missing in the rooms. After that, I'll fix the movement controls, add in whatever is missing and we should be ready to playtest and release.
>>5888804
I thought that went out the window with the goatse room.

>>5889180
goatse and the dick rooms won't get you #canceled but a swastika will, even backward

>>5889180
>Title screen music, I'll need it transcribed to be able to put it in game.

Transcribed to note/pitch and length in (milli)seconds or something?

>>5889206
Yeah, so you could just put it into sheet music. Really any format works, just as long as I can read it.

>>5889180
I'm amazed that a bunch of shitposters on /vr/ managed to put together such a coherent map.

>>5889330
Amongst all the assholes, there's some people who really do have interests here and who care.

>>5889330
*znigposters

>>5889450
Zniggerlovers.

ok so the game ends when you get all the gems right? what happens if then

>>5889472
The game ends.

>>5889472
There's an ending screen in the top-left, supposedly.

>>5889180

I mad a final change to Room 40 to make things more playable. As it is, you can't go from east to west due to the enemy paths and placement.

And thanks for sticking around until the end.

>>5889721
If you're going to tweak this map, can you change the top-middle to better link with the map above it? IE bring the ladder down from the top and raise the two squares to the right of it. Right now it's kind of weird.

>>5889740

Done.

>>5887868
I don't know if you intended it that way, but that's backward from the nazi swastika

>>5889180
this is beautiful

>>5889472
>>5889490
>>5889531
I think the ending text should have some kind of dark plot twist like zniggy's collecting all the gems and putting them in one place making them open portal to hell making zniggy a slave to satan for eternity

otherwise I strongly suggest the ending to be in total engrish as a tribute to all existing engrish endings.

>>5890307
it should be as underwhelming and disappointing as possible. don't make it anything as eventful as that.

>>5890243
>>5889192
Both the clockwise and anti-clockwise swastika can be non-Nazi and appear in a bunch of Jap games in that context, it's not definitively Nazi unless it's canted 45 degrees as well. But yeah SJW cancel culture is so ridiculous these days that it's a little risky regardless.

>>5890243
Nobody said anything about nazis. It's just a swastika.

and it's far easier to fit in that tiny space than the nazi version

>>5890307
>dark plot twist

That's more or less how JSW2 ends, you get forced to walk towards the toilet as per JSW but then end up in the Central Cavern that's the first level from the previous game Manic Miner. What this means isn't explained but the devs had a vague idea that Willy was trapped in a looping nightmare.

https://youtu.be/-MJQ7p3BkG8?t=588

>>5890896
Fugg, wrong link
https://youtu.be/D2-f0PaTTr8?t=338

>>5890869
Let them stomp and scream all they want. What exactly are they going to cancel? It's a 4chan project made by anonymous contributors. Besides, it's called "Zniggy" for fuck's sake, it was doomed from the beginning.

>>5890938
What's wrong with Zniggy?

>>5890307
>engrish
we're not parodying Japanese games here

>>5890974
Nothing. The question you should be asking is "what will retarded SJWs think is wrong with the name 'Zniggy'?" And the answer to that should be pretty obvious.

>>5890974
It offends the british minority

You guys think anyone will even pay attention to a ZX Spectrum homebrew in 2019?

>>5890938
>>5890869
>>5889192
>implying zniggy will be played by more than say 100 people closely related to the board

>>5890982
This is a game made in the 80's, they won't bother.

>>5890982
I actually don't really think of that word
Instead I think of the chiefly British words "Snigger" and "Niggling" which aren't heard much in American English for obvious reasons

This shit which is not retro is still here, but my thread about VR in the 90's is deleted.

Mods = jews

>>5890982
It's a fucking in-joke for retro gaming enthusiasts about how ZX Spectrum games were shit, it's not going to be on the fucking radar for pinkhairs, they don't keep up with micro computer homebrews, in fact they don't know what a micro computer IS.

>>5890995
free market buddy, no one cares about your fucking virtual boy but there's a huge hype and demand for Zniggy which is absolutely retro so shove off you wanker

>>5890995
lmao zniggy is retro

>>5890995
Cry about it, you fucking bitch.

The game is so abstract that you could make any justification you want for a swastika being in there and it would make sense.

>>5890393
YES!! YOU GOT EM ALL

ZNIGGY WENT HOME FOR TEA

AND SHAGGED HIS WIFE MS. ZNIG

the source code of this game should be dropped on various forums, like a c64 or nes dev forum so that they could port the game if they want to, maybe even drop the code somewhere on 2ch and see if the japs would do something with it. zniggy could become the homebrew equivalent of doom, ported to every console under the sun.

>>5891807
it's on github. AFAIK zniggy wouldn't be too hard to port to any other Z80-based computer, but a C64 port would need to be completely rewritten.

>>5891814
So what do we do with a C64 version, ironically make it as good as we can as part of the joke?

>>5891815
"good C64" is really fucking good, there are weird european nerds who have been at it for decades and they know all the tricks. A port would be funny though

>>5891820
Well yeah, because the C64 could actually do quite a lot, and the ZX couldn't really do too much, and was very low budget oriented, the latter parts which are the entire joke with Zniggy.

Maybe making a good version would ruin the original joke though.

>>5891815
An atari2600 "port" that has fuck-all to do with the original game and only has like four screens, full of weird objects that nobody can identify.

>>5891815

No idea except that the graphics should be cut down to 160x200 without being redrawn for that classic Spectrum-to-C64 look.

>>5891841
That just makes me sad.

>>5891841
>Rare kept wanking themselves in games like Killer Instinct and Banjo-Tooie over THIS.

>>5890393
Just make it a black screen that says
TO BE CONTINUED IN ZNIGGY 2!

>>5888804
It was crowd sourced from an anonymous image board by someone that isn't you and isn't even an actual swastika. You're friends must have logs lodged deep into their descending colons if they'd judge you for that, and you likely do too.
Just pretend you didn't know, I guess, you purple haired winged faggot.

>>5890992
Americans truly are cucked socially and racially obsessed. I'm one of them, unfortunately.
>say "niggardly"
>angry glances
>say "he went ape shit"
>angry glances
I can at least understand the first, due to ignorance; but if someone tangentially referring to primates causes your mind immediately think of black people, aren't you the racist?

Anyways, I'm off topic. Please let Zniggy get finished. I want to experience the best eurojank 4chan has to offer.

>>5888808
change sex and have friends

>>5890981
Yeah, let's leave that for the MSX port.

>>5889215
What do you think of using one of the AY format tracks that were posted two threads back?
https://archived.moe/vr/thread/5824407/#5846831

>>5892687
Like I said before I want Unknown01.ay to be a theme song but it sounds too good for zniggy

>>5892835
>it sounds too good for zniggy
That is true. It's great, and if it's an original published unsigned for the Speccy just like that, the composer deserves huge respect. The most zniggy track for my money is
>Unknowns00.ay (track 3) https://files.catbox.moe/jok7d5.mp3

>>5892687
Do we have a random public domain song that plays when you first start the game? ZX Spectrum platformers loved that for god-only-knows what reason (like Auf Wiedersehen Monty playing God Save the Queen on the first screen for some reason).

>>5891918
I agree, best way to end it.

>>5891804
YOU WON A GAME
GOOD PLAYING

>>5891918
O'RIGHT GUV'NA
TA FOR PLAYIN
SEE YA IN ZNIGGY III: COCK & BOLLOCKS DAIBOUKEN

>>5891804
YOU THE BIG ZNIG

>>5891804
censor "shagged", similar to how Jet Set Willy 2 had to censor "shit" to "$#!+" in the ending

YOU ARE NUMBER ONE
CONGRATULATION

>>5892976
Not obnoxious enough. Should be more like:

YOU WON A GOOD GAME

>>5893306
really should be smarmy and self-aggrandizing like this for authenticity

making videogames tends to give one a certain feeling of ego and self-importance. We don't really see it from the Japanese because of their cultural value of humility

>>5891804
>ZNIGGY WENT HOME FOR TEA

Possibly A CORNED BEEF SANDWICH in homage to the best speccy game, Advanced Lawnmower Simulator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inn4S_6LO0o

>>5891830
The C64 is definitely more powerful for games due to having stuff like hardware sprites and no attribute clash, but even so there are some pretty nice speccy demos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX6D4pLqsxY
https://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?platform%5B0%5D=ZX+Spectrum&order=views

>>5892835
It wasn't unusual for the intro chiptune to be the best part of a micro game though, many would say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcgruWlXnQ is an example. If zniggy was being rushed out by an actual 80's publisher and they found these tunes laying around for free, obviously they'd just use the "best" one.

>>5893496
>We don't really see it from the Japanese because of their cultural value of humility

It's mostly because Japanese developers are for the most part drones, they've been ordered and shuffled around to complete a certain project and then they move on. The programmers, artists, or composers don't get their recognition, the charismatic idea guy like Kojima is the one who gets showered with praise.

I don't play these games; I'm never going to play this game, and yet I still wish all of you the best. Fucking keep it up.

>>5880373
Second tile and 3rd from bottom, 2nd from left tiles are almost identical.

>>5892965
I vote for Rule Britannia

I've better compressed the room data saving around 8kb, but Jesus Christ is everything I've written so far disgusting. Never before have I written self-modifying code out of laziness.
>>5882754
I'll release the tool I use to create the room and sound data for posterity's sake after I clean them up.

>>5888885
Move znig (x4)
you know what you doing
take off every znig

move znig (x4?)
for great justice
take off every znig

>>5894604
>Never before have I written self-modifying code out of laziness.
Can you feel the authenticity levels rising?

>>5893496

It seemed inspired by the irreverent messages you get in cracktros, which weren't a thing in Japan (or anywhere but europ)

>>5895128
oh yeah. the crack intro with some stupid /vr/ bulslhit monologue would be great. I saw tons of these on my yuropoor C64 games

Do you guys still need music? I could bang out some stuff this weekend. Just tell me what specifically you're looking for.

>>5895635
Do a rendition of Rule Britannia like >>5894475 said

>>5895128
Could the ZedEx do a screen like this, or is the weaving green bar too much for that?

>>5896020
The Speccy could not display more than one color in the same block, so yeah, that's completely impossible.

>>5896032
Jeez, it really is an underpowered machine. I'm sure even the NES could have some sort of weird backround tile trick to render two "backgrounds" and scroll them up and down.

>>5896035
The NES was made for video games, computers generally weren't.

>>5896020

It could do these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itLwax6SPUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7G44DaaeHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vspomIIAOuM

A fake cracktro would be cool as long as we kept it easy for programming anon to add.

>>5896020
>>5896032
>>5896035
Nah it can absolutely do that kind of thing as >>5896526 points out, it "just" requires crazy programming tricks that sync to RAM timings / screen refresh, use CRT phosphor persistence to blend interleaved frames, and (ab)use the ULA in weird ways. IMO the speccy demoscene is one of the most impressive, because you're starting with a machine that Clive Sinclair basically intended to just do business applications with text and simple block colours (even though it doesn't have an actual text mode either) and making it do shit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1o_Tr8jq3I

>>5895998
How? In what format? Give me the actual details of what you want. Do you want a tracker module? Do you want an mp3? Do you want it to be completely authentic?

>>5897978
I'm not a music guy, so I can't say anything about formats or anything, but quality-wise it should sound along the lines of Manic Miner's rendition of Hall of the Mountain King:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUK_Wa9cHTY

>>5898325
What he's trying to ask is how music(or sound in general) works on the speccy. Obviously an mp3 won't work. Might need to be a collaboration between a music guy and a guy that can translate that to code.

>>5898325
thats inspector gadget wdym

>>5896526
>>5896695
New question: of all these cracktros, which one is the most "Zniggy"?

>>5898360
No, I can make whatever they want, regardless of format. I just want to know specifically what file format they want, so I don't spend 10 hours making something in some obscure, god-forsaken Spectrum format that turns out to be obsolete.

>>5880373
I am creatively dead, but have an OK mic and if there's some phases I'd record some.

>>5895635
If music is done per section a nazi-themed something is needed.

>>5899939
Frequency/timing table would be enough

>>5899939
If you can just make something in midi format or sheet music that would be good enough, as long as it's easy to read/transcribe. We can probably have around 3 sound channels running, so designed it around that.

zniggy....you are ... our only hope.. aaah...
*znigs*

>>5900976
How about "Erika"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAzVYCs4BMY

zniki