/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
-Currently looking for mappers, testers, and anyone else who can help.
-Project Discord server: https://discord.gg/BBPnHM8

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Current release, final unless bugs are spotted
-https://mega.nz/#!znJVlAiJ!CfsIcjb1Z_hDcesCaUKOkCcRJlgUhLmf49T6RVYCbUU

=== NEWS ===

[9-9]ZeroMaster completed MAP07 of Plutonia on UV Pacifist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MnFyHjgJgk

[9-5] Could You Would You in a Box released
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yh5xig7vrvobnqh/Could%20You%20Would%20You%20In%20A%20Box.zip?dl=1

[9-3] Doom4 Vanilla updated to 1.1, MS-DOS version released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-new-v11-ms-dos-edition/

[9-1] Colorful Hell update
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1117225#p1117225

[9-1] Doom 4 Vanilla released.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-dehacked-project/

[9-1] OTEX, a resource of textures and flats released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103426-otex-texture-set-%E2%80%93-update-version-10-released/

[9-1] Fraggle's 'Miniwad' released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108721-miniwadwad-a-minimalist-iwad

[8-29] Joe Rogan interviews John Carmack
https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8

[8-27] Anon releases his unfinished project, free for cannibalizing
https://gofile.io/?c=7iv0Zp

[8-26] Ion Fury devs claim upcoming patch is not censoring content
https://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1616150570017627014

[8-25] Final Doomer 3.1 releases with Hellbound, Alien Vendetta, and Whitemare-themed weapon sets
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55061

[8-23] Paradise v2 final version out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106058-paradise-v2-final-version-8222019/

=== PREVIOUS ===

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== PROTIP ==

To submit news, please reply and anchor it to this post.

>>5873871
I actually had a dream where part of it involved talk about how Blood 2 could have been good had Warner Bros. not interfered too much. We could have had a good canon sequel to Blood 1997.
If only...

>>5873901
Blood 2 would have been good if they didnt demand the game in the first place and they made it later on their own terms.
Imagine if it came out in in the mid 2000s on Lithtech Jupiter or Jupiter EX.

Are there any decent machinima made in retro FPS?

>>5873901
>>5873950
If you guys say so, I still think Blood 2 looks thoroughly bad even on the conceptual level. I really hate all the story ideas and the change in setting and what not.

Just curious, why aren't we talking about Doom 64 confirmed for Switch? Are we just waiting for it to actually release to put it in the news?

>>5873959
Blood 2 is bad on the conceptual level because they barely had time to make a concept and didnt have time to even put half of it in the game.
http://www.blood-wiki.org/index.php/Development_of_Blood_II#Production

>>5873970
There is something disgusting about the engine, I even knew back then, made Shogo barely playable as well. But the jokes and anime love triangle kept me going.

>>5873974
Early Lithtech was janky, but we clearly saw that it got better. If Blood II was made by a Monololith more experienced with "3D" FPS in a more refined engine it'd be as great as FEAR.

Am I just seeing things or did something happen that made newfags flood /vr/? Almost every thread has a higher quota than usual today.

>>5873986
I haven't notice anything, I think you're just paranoid.

>>5873970
http://www.blood-wiki.org/index.php/Blood_II:_The_Chosen#Release_and_Critical_Reception
>"Blood 2 worked, and most people could play through the entire game and have a good time. PCGamer gave Blood 2 an 80%, which isn't too bad. Blood 2 had some bugs, but it was definitely playable by most people, it's just that over time some exaggeration by a minority of hardcore gamers on various websites have exacerbated the perception of Blood 2's problems - which understandably has lost Monolith some gamer confidence." - Jason Hall, July 10, 2000

>>5874036
>it's just that over time some exaggeration by a minority of hardcore gamers
major cope, jason.

On a recent Vinny stream he played a Pokemon Doom mod which let you catch the demons and send them out against other demons. I think it was Pokemon Doom: Titanium, but the mod is 8 years old, and the one place it was uploaded (dropbox) is dead, as is the developer.
Does anyone have a copy of the wads for this mod?

>>5873873
MARVELLER'S CHANNEL IS GONE
HAS ANYONE MADE BACK UPS OF HIS VIDEOS ABOUT OLD FPS MODS?

Why does Unreal feel so terrible?

https://youtu.be/z_hRWybd1nI

A video showing some of the leaked beta stuff from Doom 2's development.

>>5873873
Just a heads up, you don't need to replace the old news archive unless the oldest pieces in the current news post are about to be bumped off. That's when I usually update mine anyway.

Quake still is terrible.

>download temple of the lizard men
>"hey, this is pretty cool"
>that helicopter level

>>5874160
Yeah, it's real terrible on the competition, still today there are games which can't hope to match its great singleplayer campaigns and timeless multiplayer gameplay.

>>5874119
WHAT!!!!???

HOLY FUCK IT'S GONE!!!

>>5873954
Wasnt there a Quake camper one?

>>5874119
>>5874220
Who the fuck is Marveller

>"Quake still is terrible."

I don't understand Romero's intention for his secret level in SIGIL (E5M9: Realm of Iblis)

Like...
>Here, fight a cyberdemon with 60 cells. What do you mean that's not enough? You can just shotgun him/chaingun him to death for 5 minutes bro. What's the deal?
>Fine. I'll put more cells and a rocket launcher right behind the cyberdemon. Lol. Aren't I clever?
>Yeah there'll be a secret by that final castle. You gotta shoot the eye. And when you get down there guess what you get. Light Amp! Thought you'd get a soulsphere? a BFG? no! You get a light amp! Haha!

I'm not sure how to search for this or where else to turn. I want to turn off that idiotic screen tilting that happens while strafing in Quake. I've turned off headbob with that console command, but everything I've turned up so far to disable that tilting also permanently disables mouselook. Can someone help a motion sickness prone man play a 23 year old game?

>>5874391
cl_rollangle 0

>have enjoyed Shadow Warrior Classic Redux for multiple playthroughs and recommended it as the best SW port
>suddenly starts crashing frequently
>now cant exit the map in my save without it crashing
Well shit. eSW32 when?

>>5874394
Thank you. I'd actually just managed to find it myself on google as you posted that, but I'm going to post a complete sentence for idiots such as myself to stumble across in future search engines.

cl_rollangle 0 is the command to stop the screen from tilting while strafing in Quake

>>5874396
>cl_rollangle 0 is the command to stop the screen from tilting while strafing in Quake
I come from the future. Thank you based anon for posting this easily Googleable phrase.

>>5874398
I figure if I'm a shmuck googling this shit here and now, who's to say there won't be a shmuck googling this shit at a later date? Provided /vr/ even has its own archive. To be honest, I don't know. I respect this board too much to fuck with it under normal circumstances.

>>5874406
I wasn't being ironic or anything, I think it's genuinely useful to have that phrase floating around in the archives for posterity

Now go forth and HUH, my man

> doom was a raycaster

this shit triggers me

>>5874408
Fucking hell, this is so much harder than Doom was. Any getting good advice to offer? I've forgotten the name of those enemies which pounce you, but they're feeding me my own balls.

>>5874380
romero is shit, don't forget it.

>>5874380
The cyberdemon encounter is a puzzle. You have to make the shotgun zombies infight with the pinkies, then do the whole castle without waking up the cybie.

>>5874454
is that even possible

>>5874460
Yes. I did it that way.

>bethesda finally gets someone to make the little doomguy figures from 4
>3 years later, as soon as the design is going to be out of date

>>5873873
>ZeroMaster completed MAP07 of Plutonia on UV Pacifist.
I think its funny that despite being a dead simple clone, the Arachnotrons are purely optional.

>>5873964
It's just the Kex port.

Found another cool Shadow Warrior usermap. That is a slightly difficult feat because AFAIK there isn't a centralized place to find reviews/screenshots of them.
00wang.map. Very nice level design, with intuitive progression plus various shortcuts and cool secrets all over the place. The texturing & lighting are good, and there's a fair amount of of room-over-room usage. You get plenty of explosive weapons to play with, plus various barrels littered around. Very fun.

>>5874465
pretty sure those have been around since at least two years ago

>silence
>the church
>it's empty
>torches casting light
>the podium
>you find the book
>The New Bible
>the music kicks in https://youtu.be/gjJ_uFz-Z9g
>here they come

>>5874460
Yes, I did it by mistake

So, I recently found out about the Extra Crispy mod for Blood 2, that apparently fixes a lot of shit. Has anyone used it to know if it's any good? I know Blood 2 won't ever be GREAT, but if it could fix a lot of the balance and gameplay issues, it might make it at least worth playing.

>>5874686
No. Leave a report on my desk before you go home tonight.

>>5874036
There's also a fact that enemy ai/aiming/damage is tied to FPS and if you dont limit it to 60 you gonna have really bad time

>>5874154
I don't know how that thing usually done. The only other time I made a new thread was a few years or so back when there was a grand debate on how to make new threads and in the end nobody fucking did and we had to go without a general for some time

IIRC it was a bit simpler back then

I feel super dumb for not trying out vulkan earlier.

I never played Doom (not as in, never ever picked it up and played a round, but never played through the single player or spent much time playing it in multiplayer). The only shooting games I ever played much were Goldeneye and Halo 3, and they were basically just because my friends played them. Is it worth it for me to go back and play Doom? If so, which one?

>>5874714
>shitineye and gaylo
it may already be too late for you, but just play the original Doom and if you like it you can go from there.

I'm finally done with Sigil pistolstart run. Time to beat my head against the third episide of Scythe again.

>>5874705
Oh, it doesn't crash with mods anymore. Final Doomer + shaders seem to work. Nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxxLYQXYq_Q

>>5874715
Yeah I never said they were good, just that I played them when they were out because that's what my friends played, and that's what you do with multiplayer games. What version of the original Doom is best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlgRaGfSo4

>>5873873
Hey friends, I just finished HUH. Congrats to everyone who made a map for it! Here's my playlist of individual blind playthroughs with my commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL02raekz5HSFMOt45Ovmdg9syx95yZ8OP

>>5874732
Just play something if you want to play something. Damn.

>>5874732
>What version of the original Doom is best
Play DOS version on the original DOS PC that was assembled before 1996.

But seriously, if you want super-vanilla as-it-was-back-then experience, use Chocolate Doom
Slightly less chunky vanilla -as-it-was-on-Win95 (Doom95) - use Crispy Doom, double resolution, uncapped framerate
If you just want Doom with high resolution and smooth framerate - prBoom+/glBoom+ (just don't forget to set texture filtering to nearest filter, mipmap linear)
If you want mods and loads of options that might look better to you but are not vanilla - use GZDoom. Filtering advice still applies.
If you want multiplayer use Zandronum.

All ports initial setup is as easy as extracting the port, and then dropping DOOM.WAD into the same directory. All of this shit and downloads you could easily find in the OP if you actually went there and read it.

>>5874816
>just don't forget to set texture filtering to nearest filter, mipmap linear
holy shit, i feel genuinely retarded that i didn't know this. you've just improved my GZDoom experience so much. thank you baste anon.
by the way, what's the difference between linear mipmap and just no filtering at all? just curious

When is Doom 2 supposed to be shit again?
Because right now I enjoy it more than most of D1

>>5874409
It isn't a raycaster, but the way that visplanes are drawn kinda resembles it, even though the complete process, with the BSP trees and all, is more complex.

>>5874380
It's a userwad tier level for sure.

>>5874881
It's a subjective thing, but a lot of people will say it has a strong first third and then loses steam kind of abruptly, but there's still a bunch of good maps later.

Some people hate Tricks & Traps, I think it's excellent, some people hate Refueling Base, but not me. Everyone loves Donut Of Death, including me, but the following map, The Factory, is one of my least favorite maps and kills my enjoyment the most.
I want to say that the first 11 maps are the most consistently good, and then the remaining 22 maps are all uneven in quality, you can go from two mediocre maps, then one great one, and then immediately a shit one.
I think there's more good and decent maps than there are weak and shit ones, for what it's worth, and some of the best maps in Doom 2 are in the last third.

>>5874064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OV3SQ_6DhE
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Kate_Fox
Damn, the creator of this mod passed away a couple years ago.

How much did Ion "Fury" cost to make?

>>5874882
Aren't the visplanes drawn by stepping through them, one constant-depth horizontal line at a time? I don't see how that's similar to raycasting

>>5874947
10000$ to trannies, 500$ to voice actors.

>>5874956
I meant more how it does this.
This is Duke Nukem 3D, but it draws in a similar manner.

There's animations of how Doom does it too, but I can't find it in my folders.

>>5875018
I still don't understand how ray casting works in general. Obviously it's not the same as ray tracing, but are they similar at all somehow?

Uhh Trenchbroom problem here, i was trying to do a damagin floor untill i had an issue that turned all the elements into hurting floors so i've tried rewriting them back on bein Worldspawn but now the map won't compile

>>5874898
That explain a few things. THanks, I'll brace myself for the shit maps

>>5875057
here is a screenshot if that can help

>>5874880
>>5874880
Here's a comparison gallery I made a while back, and no one uses it
https://imgur.com/a/H7uNE

Also every single one of these threads we have posts about filters and how to disable them.

When you have a distant texture on your screen, it is represented by less pixels than there are in the texture.
This causes several pixels of texture (texels) to be represented by a single pixel on your screen.
If you have no filters, then a random texel is selected and with high contrast texture this results in shimmer since the tiniest of movements will cause that choice to shift to a different pixel.
This results in a lot of uncomfortable shimmering on the distant textures, and loss of detail as well since textures turn into mess of random pixels.

In ye olde times low resolutions made pixels constantly shift as you move anyway, so the issue was masked. But if you play at a res higher than 320x240, it begins to show itself.

Mipmapping downscales textures that are shown at the distance preemptively, reducing the choices the algorithm has when deciding on what pixel to show, which results in: 1) Less/no shimmer. 2) Slightly faster drawing since GPU has to operate with lower res textures and 3) Slightly more memory useage to store mipmaps.

Anisotropy is a kind of extra mipmapping that introduces several extra vertical and horizontal downscale slices with shifted perspectives, to display when the texture is shown at high angle to improve the visual clarity. This eats more at the memory, but improves the visual quality considerably. On any system released in the past ~16 years the memory and performance loss is completely neglegible since hardware got optimised to use this technique. In 99.9% cases there is no reason to NOT use x16 Anisotropy.
Anisotropy is a mipmapping technique and will not work if mipmapping is disabled.

Picrelated is a comparison to show what anisotropy does to walls/floors when mipmapping is used.
(cont)

>>5875120
(cont)
Linear->Bilinear->trilinear filters use increasing amount of samples. Less samples preserves more details for low-res content, where details can be as small as a a group of a few pixels, while more samples results in better image for highres textures.
Filters generate mipmaps as a side effect on their own, but they are incredibly shitty and blurry, since the amount of mips is low.
Separate mipmap pass is always preferred.
Nearest mipmap filter is shit as it essentially represents a detail on the texuture with a random pixel form that detail regardless of how it will look.
Linear mipmap represent the detail on a texture by merging the colors of surrounding piels that were omitted, but does not do any additional blurring thus preserving most of the detail.
Bilinear mipmaps and filter are shit all around the board.
Trilinear mipmaps use more samples, and result in better quality on high-res textures, but a bit blurrier than linear on low-res textures.

The galery linked above shows comparison of the full screenshots, but here's a cropped variant. As you can see Linear mipmaps + x16 anisotropy produces the best results. with sharper textures in the middle range and benefits of anisotropy resulting in no shimmer and preservation of distant detail, while trilinear starts to blur things too much at the mid-range.

>>5875126
>>5874880

>>5875120
>>5875126
>>5875129
note that using filtered mipmaps without actual filter will NOT blur the textures that are in close-mid range. Those remain as sharp as ever.

>>5873871
Duke 3D and Blood But you play as either Homer Simspon or Mcbain.

>>5874695
WB should have given Monolith more time to work on the Characters and the Frames per Second.

>>5874938
>I think Kate is just busy and didn't pass away. I hope this gives some hope to people. I read through the detailed reports of the apparent Snow Fox death, and they mention numerous times throughout the report that a MALE body was found. This death is not Kate's.
S-should we tell him?

>>5874695
>>5875163
That's a general LithTech engine issue which was not sorted out during its whole lifetime.
In fact, in original Blood, damage of choking hands and your ability to take them off is also tied to FPS, resulting in instant death when played through Dosbox on high end machines.

>>5875161
Redneck Rampage but you play as Farmer 1 and 2

>>5875168
They fixed it by FEAR. Every Lithtech game before except Alien Vs Predator needs to be capped at 60 FPS.

>>5875179
This may sound weird, but my love for AVP1999 is not only the great tense gameplay and respect for the alien franchise etc. But it was the game that actually taught me how to play fps decently.

I was not big into lan multiplayer until a bit later and games like Quake, HL Thief etc I played in a very timid way, absorbing shit you know, I was a big adventure game player. But those fucking aliens taught me how to fucking control my pulse and aim shoot and just fucking run.

>>5874119
what happened?, i used to watch his stuff

>>5875064
It would probably be more helpful to look at or post the compilers' logs.

>>5874714
The only proper way to play vanilla Doom is with no freelook and there's no reason to play a game with no freelook. Play Quake or a Build engine game instead.

>>5875018
The floors are drawn in constant depth horizontal lines, and the walls in constant depth vertical lines.
Yes I guess if you conflate constant depth vertical lines with raycasting like in Wolfenstein 3d, sure, but you don't need to cast rays to do that, and raycasting can use different methods to draw (e.g. One raycast per pixel instead of one per pixel column)

>>5875041
Calculate the line equation for a region of the output image (some examples a pixel, rectangle, pixel column), then you use this line equation to check for collisions against surfaces. Once you find a collision, draw the surface in the selected screen-space region (Wolfenstein 3d used pixel columns), or if there was no collision you could draw a background graphic.

Raycasting tends to work well with simple map geometry, but doesn't scale when maps become more complex as you end up having to do many redundant collision checks against the same surfaces.

What could he be referring to?

>>5875221
>it's blood for some reason

>>5875221
Redneck Rampage, Tekwar, Witchaven, Powerslave, Turok.

Everyone says that Doom 1 had the best level design, but some of it is still really shit. I don't know how anyone can defend E3M2.

>>5875221
Probably some Randy bullshit

>>5875221
Borderlands faggotry

>>5875221
Dangerous Dave, Bio Menace.

Douk is dookie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krPH0cWIP5U

>>5875248
>borderlands
>mid 90s comeback

>>5875221
In all seriousness, it's prolly Quake. AFAIK Duke and Quake were two of the biggest FPS games of the mid 90s, specifically 96 when they both came out.

>>5875221
Catacomb 3d, Hovertank.

>>5875221
Pipes.

>>5875254
Oh right I just skimmed the post. It's requiem avenging angel then.

>>5875221
>>5875248
>>5875254
Turderlands comes out this week
I'm gonna pirate it

>>5873871
Pic related happened when I tried to load JFBuild. The error message says it couldn't find a tables.ini file.

>>5875126
>>5875129
>>5875137
Thank you, this was pretty helpful even though I'm a tech brainlet

>>5875256
DAMN THOSE ANCIENT ALIEN BASTARDS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR SHOOTIN UP MY SLIPGATE

>>5875264
I don't think there's a GRP file in your dir.

>>5875264
It sure does.

>>5875264
*tables.DAT

>>5875267
Imagine Douk going HUH

ILLEGAL aliens

>>5875263
Why would you waste your own time with kusoge?

>>5875221
>Voidpoint does Dunkan Nunkan 3D 2 The Sequelening

>>5875253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eckoYQqdk28

>>5875275
I actually liked the first and second one, as I guess I am one of those 5% of the people who are able to completely ignore the shitty plot/dialogues/flavour in a game and play it purely for the gameplay.
I didnt grind out over 50 levels, as scaling breaks there and developers admitted it themselves, but shit eaters begged them for level increase anyway and so they did it.
There's community patch that's supposed to help with scaling issues, but I played the game just when GOTY with all the DLCs came out so I didn't use it and don't feel like replaying it again (I did play through it 6 times with all 6 heroes leveling them up to about 50)
I'd actually like to see how BDL turns out without influence of Burch.

>>5875264
Never mind I got it to work via adding the proper files.

>>5875242
Out of all the shitty E3 you choose to shit on M2 in particular?

>>5875256
Nigga are you fucking serious? You think there's gonna be a new SP Quake project surprise announced with Duke Nukem voicing Ranger? That makes no fucking sense. Ranger is a silent protag for one thing. And they wouldn't call it a "comeback", since Quake Champions exists.
>>5875278
Apparently 3DR has reached out to Gearbox multiple times to be able to use Duke Nukem (perhaps to have a cameo or role in IF), but they said no.
>>5875264
Isnt Mapster32 more modern/better?

>>5875221
So we're finally getting Sin Emergence Episode 2.

>>5875312
>Apparently 3DR has reached out to Gearbox multiple times to be able to use Duke Nukem (perhaps to have a cameo or role in IF), but they said no.
Instead of saying bazinga he would say he wants to transition.

>>5875317
This makes the most sense

>>5875221
Kingpin 2.

>>5875221
Chex Quest came out in 96 and it is getting a remake.

>>5875041
Raytracing and raycasting are two completely different things.

>>5875312
Well maybe Randy "That Fucking Bastard" Pitchford finally got on the retro revival bandwagon after he's seen various successes.
He'll just embezzle as much as he can of course and leave the project to die as an empty shell.

>>5875290
the games are most fun when you disable the scaling completely, something you can do easily enough by modifying the community patch (or reborn mod)

sage for not retro

>>5875221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdyavnsGVSk

is there a way to make the ioquake3's config.cfg stay in baseq3 instead of going to appdata?

>>5875384
>muuuuh GRAPHIX!!
This era was total shit.

>>5874238
diary of a camper literally made machinima

Everyone's already forgotten about Ion Fury huh?

>>5875443
Its pretty but there is nothing to talk. No one is interesting in the game from enemies to the antagonist to Shelly herself.

Good job you made a safe game.

>>5875420
That was the era when graphics were advancing at incredible pace, so staying on top of the game and developing technology that would become accepted by the industry was a major priority for many developers.

>>5875443
It's only barely related to retro.
Plus the gameplay is medocre.
Amid Evil is better.

>>5875256
>In all seriousness, it's prolly Quake

>>5875443
Tranny debacle destroyed the game.

>>5875443
Everyone interested has assumably finished the game by now, and there's no multiplayer or usermaps yet, so there's not too much to talk about.

>HL Grunts have proper m16 in Alpha
>changed to MP5 with grenade launcher in release

>>5875057
quake doesn't have damaging floors

Did the anon working on the Alf Life damage mod cook something up after all? I haven't been following?

The one that said they wanted to make human enemies less bullet spongey.

>>5875513
>lava

>>5875518
yeah that's not a floor, given you can swim in it

>>5875491
It doesn't make any sense, it has never made any sense, and they made the same mistake in HL2 with the stupid fucking SMG design because gaben fondling his nipples is more important than coming up with something sensible.

Speaking of it.
Just finished Quake 4. Finally.
I dismissed it back then. Its...

Alright.

Yeah the strogification scene is cool.

>>5875527
You could actually explain why shotgun has double shot, it shoots two rounds very fast like G-11.

>>5875527
I mean, Half-Life never really billed itself as a realistic tactical shooter, and in fact has some pretty cartoony elements to it here and there, I think the lack of realism is excusable.

>>5875527
>and they made the same mistake in HL2 with the stupid fucking SMG
Because they used OICW in Alpha, again a proper rifle instead of smg.

>>5875534
Yep. Definitely one of the better fps of the era, but still just kinda meh. The squad stuff and sluggish movement for the entire first half of the game really hurts the overall experience.

>>5875459
The desire to stay on top of the game in graphics over gameplay experiences is what caused messes like Duke Nukem Forever

>>5875534
i've only played through it twice
hardest difficulty on both times
suprisingly fun bunnyhopping and strafejumping around while avoiding pretty much all damage until you stop and get shredded
or a berserker comes and smacks from full health and armor down to 20hp

>>5875547
It's very meh but still playable. Jank but cool tank scene.

>>5875554
Yeah, the good parts were good at least.

>>5875556
Machine gun feels meaty.

I liked Q4 better than D3 when I tried both out back in the day.

>>5875545
It sort clashes with the overall believability they were going in both games.
But yes its comic logic.

I like both Mp5 and M16.

https://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/It%27s_a_Wonderful_Half-Life
>Author Michael Houston was invited to Valve to create an issue of his Dank and Scud series based on Half-Life before the game's release.The comic was built using early versions of the game content, highlighting a number of models and environments in their pre-release state.

Still no forest/swamp wad?
Should I keep playing Serious Sam 2's deadwood map and pretend it's good?

>>5875562
Me as well NOW in 2019. Doom was a going for SS2 horror game could be amazi9ng, but they didn't go all the way.

Would be a cool twist side story for doom to make it a survival horror game.

>>5875545
>>5875573

In fact I forgot the beta alpha version were really even more goofy comic book. With a sarge like minigun character.

>>5875443
The game should have been more brutal.
Hate it all you want but today that's what most people who aren't /vr/core expect out of a new "retro" game and IF doesn't fit the bill. And regardless of the brutal stuff, I think the gameplay did an amazing job at ignoring important core gameplay evolution the genre enjoyed since Duke yet still managed to add the shit stuff nobody wanted like markers or reloads.

Wrath will do much better

>>5875562
it's quite literally Doom 3: Quake 2 edition

i like upgrades given at certain specific points of the game
doesn't let old, weaker weapons become useless and prevents the "max out the best weapon you have and ditch the rest" approach that usually happens when upgrade decisions are given for the player
the nailgun remains my favourite weapon from the sheer upgrades it gets
> high damage homing projectile machinegun with a scope and triple magazine
i also like the sound it makes

Are there any good maps from Duke or Blood that are based on the movie Aliens (1986)? Thinking of making a level based on it. I only found a couple examples on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mFr7QX9oUQ
Is this an actual song in Doom RPG?

>>5875573
>>5875527
It's not that sort of game, but lets analyze the Mp5/AR15 thing further:

>shares ammo with a Glock 17/Beretta M9
>this makes sense for the MP5, these guns all shoot 9mm Luger, however...
>MP5 does less damage than the pistols, despite having a longer barrel
>MP5 is far less accurate than the pistols, despite having a far more accurate action with a fixed barrel, and being a weapon with a stock you can shoulder and a forward point of contact to grip, which would make it far easier to aim than any pistol, and far easier to control in rapid fire and full-auto (on top of the inherent higher weight of the gun, and the added weight of the 40mm grenade launcher)
>the MP5 appears to have some kind of integrated silencer, like on the MP5SD models, but the gun isn't remotely suppressed
>HD pack turns this weapon into a Colt Model 733 with a M203
>which still shares ammo with a 9mm pistol
>and which still would be more powerful
>and would still be inherently more accurate and easy to shoot and control

>>5875646
No, this is the Kirby 64 final boss theme.

>>5875654
Would make sense people say all the time military forces would go with a sleek easy to control mp5 to kill the scientists. But didnt they knew about the aliens while being briefed on site?
They brought fucking tanks so a bigger cartridge would be better or make sense.

In the end the best compromise would be ninjas and special opfor black forces using the mp5SD and silenced pistols to hunt freeman in certain parts of the story, and the regular soldiers rock the M16 or even something heavier and crazy. Delta Force game had the OICW, it was still not a dead failure at that point it seems.

>>5875562
I like Doom 3 better overall, but Quake 4 has some neat moments.

>>5875242
they mostly mean the first episode

I'm getting this warning when loading Project Babel's monster only version that an anon posted a couple of threads ago.
Is it anyhting to worry about?

By the way, playing Plutonia w/ Final Doomer and Babel Monsters is fun as fuck.

>>5875467
It sold as well as it was ever going to. normies/ mass market don't care about build

Is there any way to make a weapon able to activate switches/open doors by hitting them?
Also what would be better for a fist weapon:
Two attack buttons, Fire is left punch, AltFire is right punch, with R/Z being used for a kick
or
One attack button, Fire has a random chance of doing either left attack or right attack, AltFire being used for a kick and R/Z being used for something else

>>5875828
Well do you plan on making the left and right punches different? Like will left punches be quick, weak jabs with rights being stronger hooks? You gonna do some sort of combo system? If not, just have fire be random punches and put kicking on altfire.

>>5875562
I'd think the same if you didn't have to walk for half the game.

>>5875780
It's because they added those warnings in later versions of GZDoom. Earlier ones actually required default values for virtual overrides. Second one sounds like returning super.Tick() in a Tick() override, a thing that some people used to do. Neither are real issues.

>>5875339
Is it using a Doom engine?

>>5875834
At first I was going for something like the Heavy's fists in TF2. I realized I can have more function if I put both left/right punch on one button, but I like the feel of having control over which fist you punch with even if it doesn't really change anything.

>>5875908
I guess my other questions would be: How useful is kicking gonna be, and how elaborate are the altfires for other weapons gonna be?

>>5873871
I'm kind of impressed by the Build test game. You already have access to 2 weapons at the start. and can acquire up to 4 or 5 in total via exploring the maps. I wonder whose voice it is that says "NO!" whenever you lose all your HP and die?

>>5875889
That's good to know. Thanks

Why did he do it bros

>>5875925
>tfw always saw the discord logo as a pair of mickey mouse pants but found out the other day it's actually supposed to be a game controller
bit weird innit

>>5875991
He's seen way too much shit and knows he'll never go home.

>>5875993
i thought it was a stylized space invader

>>5875914
Kicking is gonna be a little slower, push enemies further away, and have a longer reach than punches
This is just a standalone weapon mod, unless I include it in a pack it's gonna be an addition to the standard doom weaponset that doesn't replace anything

>>5876008
Then you might want to keep things really simple and keep it to a primary/altfire thing, it'd be weird as hell to have a single weapon have three different means of attack with everything else being strictly vanilla.

>>5875896
No, scratch rebuilt in Unity I think.

>>5875994
home is a thick lizard lady

>>5876052
extra thick?

Unholy Cathredal is a good stage, I personally love the feeling and the aesthetics of this map, I never understood the hate about it

Anybody know if Doom 64 EX has a Smooth Doom equivalent?

>>5876130
d64 retribution?

>>5876114
no
just hint of it

>>5876150
are we sharing doodles now?

>>5876142
I didn't realize there were options besides EX, I'll check it out.

>>5876156
I hope so.

>>5875993
I saw it as either a pic nose or some animal face myself.

>>5876151
based vanillababy

>>5876165
Unfortunately that was the most directly doom related doodle I've done in awhile, everything else has been based around my dumb mod OCs

>>5876179
what is this based on?

>>5876185
The helmet? Something a friend drew based on his own intreptation of the helmet in pic related.

>>5876189
thought it was based on doom 64

>>5876127
This map is ok, I guess.
Not so fun of that teleport puzzle.

>>5876192
I can see it with the antenna, though he said he got marathon vibes from it

this game is so good holy shit
quickly becoming my fav DOS-era fps

>>5875221
Jon St. Jon is cringe

>>5876210
I absolutely love Dark Forces.
I just hope we get a decent sourceport soon enough, cus I can't bring myself to play anything on dos-box anymore.

Shit doodle I just made, I was suppose to be working on my article, but I'm such a wreck right now that drawing helps me keep calm.

>>5876239
>tfw your cacodemon drinks too much apple juice

>>5876210
fix your aspect ratio my man

>>5876210
It's really good. Some levels are very meh though, design wise.

>>5876225
Your mom is cringe.

>>5876225
faggot.

I know it's not retro, but what does /vr/ think of Dhoom 3?

>>5876324
Too dark

>>5876324
criminally underrated because brainlets think Brutal Doom is what Doom was supposed to be from the beginning

now go back to /v/

>>5876324
>Chadhoom 3

>>5875576
Have you played Grove.wad? Basically a forest.

>>5875443
no tits
no redeeming qualities
tranny pandering
easily forgotten

>>5875562
I kinda agree. I do think the hell levels of Doom 3 were better than Quake 4, but the early levels really bring it down. Quake 4 was a much more consistently decent experience.

>>5876546
I'll try it.

i didn't set up the soundfonts properly while playing DOOM 64 Retribution and i've been playing with beeps and doots for my music

i just thought the soundtrack was shit

currently on altar of pain

>>5874529
Thanks for the recommendation anon. Most people here don't seem to like SW I can appreciate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFqqsYoT4hk

>>5876654
The soundtrack is great for creepy ambient, Aubrey Hodges is a great video game music composer, both the PSX and the N64 soundtracks from Midway are from him and are practically the same but the D64 soundtrack is tracked and with slight differences due to the cartridge limitations, so that's it, if you want to hear it non-tracked try psxmusic.wad in your load.

>>5874898
IMO, the early American McGee maps are a bit overrated. They're not bad, but many moments can feel a bit filler-ish to me. Like the final keys in Focus and Waste Tunnels are kinda just there, and don't really amount to anything, for example.

>>5876721
Kind of a lazy fuckup way of doing things

>>5876016
Alright, I've made two versions of the weapon. The main one will be simple, Fire will have a random chance of doing either left or right punch, while AltFire is the kick. The other is the previous one, like Heavy's fists, and will be extra.
I'm taking another page from TF2, this time crits. The fists have a 1/64 chance of doing a devastating critical attack, signified with a different sound and animation. Same goes for the kick.
I'm still trying to figure out how to make the fists activate switches and stuff when hitting them. I don't even think it's possible, but it would be the last touch I'd like to add to them.

Give it a rest

>>5876787
lol

>>5876787
>>5876829
In comparison, Memelyneux makes Toddler Coward look like an honest person.

>>5873954
There's like 5 minutes of Marathon in an RvB episode, it's the one where Church goes back in time from the explosion

>>5876727
Needs more stretching and warping

Classic Doom is an inherently 2D game that would be much more conveniently played from 2D perspective. The only, ONLY ways being 3D ever comes into play is when
1) you realize you can't fire predictive shots with weapons 5 and 6, when the enemy is not on the level with you, due to vertical auto-aim not picking them up
2) when auto-aim outright turns off on a certain distance
3) when the difference in height is so large the enemy is either fully above the screen or occluded by the ledge

Oh yeah, and I guess you can duck under projectiles thrown at you at a vertical angle, by running straight at them, sure.

All of those occurrences except the last one are very few and far in between meaning Doom is at least 90% a 2D game with fog of war on anything beyond your current fov.

>>5876892
So play Linear Doom.

>>5876903
Is that where the game is turned into an overhead map like a 2D shooter

>>5876905
No.

>>5876390
Always injecting your sperging out over brutal doom. Do you losers ever let up?

>>5876920
Maybe don't feed the trolls.

>>5876892
those are all made for optimisation's sake
Gameplay uses 3 dimensions
Visuals use 3 dimensions
The game is 3 dimensional
Stop trying to come up with your own definitions and excuses why one of those dimensions shouldn't count

>>5876920
Oh hai Mark.

>>5874756
Oh good. Couldn't be arsed to play every map myself.

>>5874374
I masturbate when I play old shooters and quake II, not one my wang no feel love long time

>>5876982
You wank with your feet?

>>5875221
Take No Prisoners

It's actually astounding how Black Mesa takes Half-life's combat and makes it worse.

>>5877045
Black Mesa's combat is taken straight out of Exodus from the Earth, actually. It's a fairly okay game eurojank, by the way (made for completely unprecedented, for Russia, 10 mil dolla, by the way). Horrendously translated though. Original Russian version had a pretty sweet Die Hard 1 vibe to it and its voice-acting, which surely all perished in, well, translation.

>>5877057
>Horrendously translated though.
Judging from reviews in English, that is.

>>5877045
Everything is comically small and the rocket launcher is godawful.

>>5877045
Generally, in what it differs from HL, Black Mesa is a mixture of Exodus' combat and Heart of Darkness' puzzles, the remade visuals and redesigns being a mixture of both, in style. Nu-Xen seems to be a spin on Myst3's Edanna.

HL itself, in what it differs from Quake, is a mixture of AnotherWorld-like progression in FadeToBlack- like environments (even the weapon menu and suite voice were shoplifted from FtB). Also, addons are actually way more novel, in their design sensibilities, from historical perspective, than the main game itself.

>>5876892
The Doom being a 2D game meme can be easily disproved just by placing a raised floor between the player and a monster. If it's not a 3D game, why can't you shoot a demon through this obstacle when it's above your eye level, but can shoot it by going up a couple of stairs to an elevated platform in the same room?
tl;dr you're either baiting or a brainlet

>>5876727
I've been watching X-Files lately and round about season 3, I started hearing samples I recognized from Aubrey's Doom soundtrack in like, every other episode.

>>5877080
Okay, you have a point here.

>>5877080
I will add however that I was following the logic of Milo's Plutonia's maps that made you use the fact that rocket splash ignores height difference, by constantly forcing you to fight beyond auto-aim distance. That effect, splash ignoring height, is an explicitly 2D-ish artifact, which only makes sense when you consider the game from overhead perspective.

>>5877090
Also, chaingunner/revenant/spiderdemon-fest is there to force you use the cover, specifically intended for that group, thus staying outside of auto-aiming distance for that very group.

>>5877094
It is exactly in those doublebind-like situations, that you are meant to blast un-autoaimed rockets at the wall beneath the monsters.

>>5877090
Consider this: making a distance calculation in a 2D space using pythagorean theorem involves two powers of 2 and a square root, square root being a pretty costly operation because in computation you can only do it by repeatedly guessing and raising each guess to the power of two until it's what you decide is good enough. Adding a third dimension requires you to do the same song and dance the second time. And then if you want your calculations to have a believable effect in any capacity, you want to measure the distance from an enemy hitbox's closest point instead of its origin which is right at its feet.
So yeah, the infinitely tall pillars are there purely for optimization's sake. It's also why source ports just fixed that without breaking a sweat a couple of years later.

Alright, you ABSOLUTE ANONS. Do you ever speedrun all of Ultimate Doom/Doom 2/TNT/Plutonia iron man style?

>>5877109
>And then if you want your calculations to have a believable effect in any capacity, you want to measure the distance from an enemy hitbox's closest point instead of its origin which is right at its feet.
which is very easy with doom's axis-aligned bounding boxes
on any given axis, clamp the origin's position on that axis between the edges of the bounding box
do that for the X, Y, and Z axes, and you now have the point on an AABB closest to a given point

>>5877109
oh, and also keep in mind that doom explosions are square, and don't measure damage falloff based off true distance. in my shitty diagram here, damage falloff is just based off the longer of dx or dy - checking dz as well would've meant what, four more instructions?

looking at the code, there really is no reason that explosions couldn't have been Z-aware. the sight checks are already Z-aware, so it can't have been that. whatever the reason was, it wasn't performance.

>>5877147
>there really is no reason
Carmack didn't know what he was doing at the time.

>>5873871
The JFbuild Maps sometimes make me think... What if Extreme Paintbrawl were make by a better studio and was actually good?

>>5877189
it would stil suk cuz being good sometimis isnt gude enouh
word

>>5876729
I actually think Waste Tunnels is pretty slapdash and meh overall for being in Doom 2's otherwise strong first third.
McGee does better and better as he goes though, E4M1 is one of my favorites, and his Quake maps are rock solid.

The Pit's idea seems to be this. The map contains max amount of lost souls, and several pain elementals. With lost souls topped off, pain elwmentals could be disposed of safely without wasting ammo. Thus the best way to proceed with the map is to kill pain elementals before you kill lost souls. Problem is, if you aggro them, they will be chasing you and generally being a problem. Thus, you need to know for sure which rooms visit in which order to kill first pains, losts second. That is, the intended way of completion cannot be achieved on the blind play, you have to know what follows to do the right thing currently.

So everyone knows about DOOM's myriads of ports and travesties like the 3DO port, but why have I only now just heard of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPdrJtrCi3U

>>5877237
Because it's shit.

>>5877243
Right, which is exactly why I would want to know about it. It's fucking terrible, which is great.

>>5877249
Well here you go. Brazilians.
https://dukenukem.fandom.com/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D_(Sega_Genesis)

>>5877254
>Brazillians
That explains everything then.
I started playing DN3D for the first time, just finished the first episode. I really like it now that I stopped trying to play it like DOOM; the interactivity and level detailing is bonkers.

>>5875654
>video games are not reality
Wow!

>>5877321
>"It's not that kind of game... "

>>5876787
To be fair it's a pretty impressive game for 1994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zsPl4Ampw
I've never played it. And Terminal Velocity came out a year later.

>>5877258
The only Pre-Saturn Sega device that would be up to playing Duke Nukem 3D is the 32X add-on because the sound and graphics wouldn't be as mutilated. Either the 32X or 3DO would be good candidates for a homebrew console port of Duke 3D.

>>5877367
I'm thinking hypothetically, the 32X + the Sega CD could do Doom better justice than the 32X alone, it could run the game at good speed and with a six button controller you had good input, but the cartridge only holds like 4MB, so they had to cut so much content to just squeeze it in there.

They could fit all the full three episodes on CD, along with everything else they cut, as it has more than enough storage space, so they could have all the enemies and bosses, and all their rotations. Further, they could even have a recorded audio soundtrack.
The Genesis could do a decent rendition of the music if they had tried, but with actual CD audio you could have something better still.
Naturally, this would be an expensive and cludgy way to have Doom, because you had to buy the overpriced dud that is the 32X to play this hypothetical port.

Of course, Carmack could instead have been more lenient and helpful with the Saturn port's development instead, and while we're still on that dream track, Sega should never have done the 32X to begin with and focused on supporting the Saturn better.

>>5877153
>Carmack didn't know what he was doing at the time.

more that the Doom engine development was a haphazard process of one guy butting his head against problems until they worked well enough. there was no real plan, no code review, no anything. so in areas like collision physics that are actually kind of tricky, the code is a spaghetti mess of hacks and shortcuts.

>>5876924
>everyone with a different opinion is a troll

>>5877207
I kinda like the layout of Waste Tunnels. I just wish it had better monster usage.

>>5876884
Just perfect, like GZDoom.
- Graf Zahl

>>5876976
What kind of money? DENNY!

>>5877082
Great find, man.
Doom PSX was released in November 1995.
X-files 3rd season was aired from September 1995 to May 1996. Ripping from a tv series airing would need sampling from a home-recorded vhs at best. Ripping quality audio from a psx cd was easy, some even could be played in the usual audio cd player.

>>5877467
For a spaghetti mess it's well optimized though.

>>5876903
Linear doom doesnt fix that issue with height, it only reduces width. We need Delicious Flat Doom

Doom 3 sucks!

>>5877628
>We need Delicious Flat Doom
https://drl.chaosforge.org/

>>5877556
Yeah, kinda. Like I don't hate it, there's parts I like particularly, but some people accuse Doom 2 of being overly brown, and while I don't think some brown is bad, I think Waste Tunnels is one of the brownest maps in the game, and could have used some different colors.
Ironically though, I would have chosen the brown wastewater flat for the flooded parts, to better convey the whole waste part. Monster usage could have been more exciting, too.

>>5877640
>playing D**m

>>5877645

Flat Doom is just ____

>>5877648
Flat
https://youtu.be/DNYs7g1i_iQ

>>5877645

>>5877601
Maybe both used the same sound library.

>>5877648
Delicious.

>>5877741
Yeah, like the second life teleport is the same sound for the doom imp throwing you a fireball.
Don't ask me how I know, I watch it for the plot.

>>5877076
>Also, addons are actually way more novel, in their design sensibilities, from historical perspective, than the main game itself.
lmao, what a retarded post.

>quake chumps updates
>they cowarded out and didn't name hunter in the background image
my boner is unsatiated. time to die to bots in q3 for an hour

>>5877565
I wonder why exactly Graf dislikes AMD so much?
Its fine having an optimized version of DOOM and other Idtech 1 games, but damn, the often poorly made shadowmaps, his obsession with making it necessary to have a computer with very high-end computer with not just a more modern CPU, but also at least a 1050-1060 Nvidia for said ""shadowmaps"" to work properly for games from the early-mid 1990s! Then there's the mods for said games that don't work well or not at all with the more recent versions of GZDOOM! Say what you want about the most recent versions of Eduke32, xDuke, and Nblood, but at least the coders for each of those Build sourceports aren't so haphazard with shadowmaps nor do they heavily recommend Nvidia over all other types of Graphics cards!

>>5877754
Have you ever encountered a bot that managed to have better aim with ranged weapons than you? Just curious.

>>5877809
like with projectile weapons? sure, enemies in games have been able to lead those well for years

>>5877810
> ADADADAD
> projectile aimbot: confused screaming

Whats the best way to play Shadow Warrior? The mouse look in the remaster sucks peen and SWP crashes before each map loads.

>>5877754
Any new weapon skins at the least

>>5877753
Opposing Force was one of the two main sources of inspiration (the other one being Turok 2, despite the final iteration ending up very linear due to having been cut down for xbox360) for DNF throughout the ENTIRETY of its development. Its level layouting is heads and fucking shoulders above anything in the base game, extremely consistent in terms of resistance it offers to player in terms of navigating latouts, using them in combst correctly enough. Level is an entity, an opponent in itself, throughout the game, in incomparably more pronounced and involved way than anything in base game ever was. In what it differs from the base game, it is a result of a singular vision (moreover, initially was an unrelated game concept, later just repainted HL, which shows in its design, new weapons and enemies), as opposed to just mashing two previously existing cinematic games together which you can easily check is exactly what HL did. Basic HL's innovations it is praised for have NOTHING TO DO with actual in-game combat (as in first-person SHOOTER), because the games it parroted weren't shooters to begin with (well, FtB is debatable, but let's just zero in on it being utter dogshit combat-wise when compared with Quake). It is exactly this which Opposing Force fixes by having its layouting consistently matter and provide friction throughout the ENTIRETY of it, all of its aspects and mechanics.

And Blue Shift just has Fucking Great puzzle design.

>>5877870
Nope, they're all older ones and none of them are available without the battle pass.

>>5877840
wat is swp

>>5877882
My eyes just fucking glaze over when reading this

>>5877882
fuck off gearbox shill.

oh no he's retarded.
hl haters top themselves everytime.

>>5877882

this is the dumbest ass shti I've ever read. Op4 has terrible pacing, a soundtrack that melds together and has zero memorable tracks, a bunch of rehashes of segments from the OG HL campaign (pit worm's nest is just smaller scale blast pit) and race x sucked.

>>5877885
Same, tl;dr-ed.

Half-Life, in what it does differently from Quake, is derivative of two games, that aren't even (at least, good) shooters to begin with.

Opposing Force, in what it does differently from Half-Life, is original and coherent.

>>5876570

Great level design and fun combat. Enemy variety sucks though and the arsenal needed either more weapons or more distinctive alternate fires.

And ignoring your stupid slur, they didn't pander to anyone, and the devs even went out of their way to say they won't change anything offensive in the game. If you're going to be a dipshit moron at least get your facts straight first.

>>5877882
>as opposed to just mashing two previously existing cinematic games together which you can easily check is exactly what HL did
Where can I read about this? What were the initial two games? Also what is FtB?

>>5877896
Op4's pacing, regardless of whether you like it or not, is SELF-CONSISTENT in the same way Op4's soundtrack, while being unmemorable track-wise, is highly distinctive as a whole. Both are Their Own Things. And intersections are simply a way to make it obvious that addon takes place in the same "universe" as the base game. Op4 uses those intersections better anyway (and before you start on a dam with the heli, heli goes down from couple of tau shots the moment it appears).

>>5877904
fade to black.
the retard think this is similar to hl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6lSCQLgWqM

>>5877904
youtube: Fade to Black longplay
gog: Another World whatever anniversary

Op4 is not more original than the main game, sorry Randy.

>>5877045
Its still okay. But yeah.


Echoes on the other hand is fucking perfect, and I would explore entire black mesa like that.

I feel like Shadow Warrior's gameplay would instantly feel better if they hadn't used palette swaps for the ninja enemies. There's like 5 different variations that's just the same sprite with different colored pants. One is the basic grunt, and the other 4 have ten times the health and carry explosives. It just feels wrong to fight dudes that look like low-tier grunts yet have as much health as giant green demons. Plus it can be difficult to quickly differentiate between them, especially for colorblind niggas such as myself.

i thought hl ripped off cybermage, system shock, goldeneye, duke, marathon, unreal according to shitposters.

>>5877912
Considering it repeatedly recycles beats from the base game, it really isn't that original, no.
It's pretty good, but it's nothing groundbreaking.

>>5877909
Better video quality here:
https://www.longplays.eu/downloads.php?cat_id=21&download_id=6838

I'm starting to think that maybe one of the Dark Forces level designers was colorblind.

>>5877908

Q U A D

fade to black is a shit game. Don't associate it with good games like flashback, another world and half life.

>>5877956
It was literaly helmed by the same person that helmed Flashback previously.
And Half-Life developers have associated themselves with a shit game on their own volition, by means of thoroughly ripping off its designs (both environment and interface related - note however that PC and later PS1 versions have different interface).

>>5877969

>>5877884
Its a source port I got from here,
http://www.proasm.com/sw/swdls.html
The sites got user maps and total conversions as well. Pretty neat.

>>5877947
Tripfags pls leave :/

>>5877919
I fucking wish HL would rip Cybermage off instead. At the very least, it would've had radically better layouts. In fact, Another World + Cybermage would've been a fairly sick combo.

>>5877983
Usually tripfags just post boring garbage that doesnt warrant an associated name. Marisa mostly posts screenshots of various projects. Thats not so bad.

>>5877986
>>5877969
fuck off schizo.
Back to rpgcodex

ahem cybermage and ftb are shit.

>>5877991
Cybermage is as much of an (non-)RPG, as HeXen 1 is.

>>5877991
No that anon glad that you mentioned the codex, there is pre pre pre pre pre alpha SS3 gameplay vid released.

This will be a worse rape than underworld. But with love. With love.

>>5877998
>ranger wins decisively against anarki at Q3DM2, 1999 (colorized)

Punching these slimeballs so hard they go back home

>>5878032

>>5877969
lmao are you ok retard?

>>5878035

>>5876324
people think it's bad because it's just different when in reality it's bad because it couldn't decide what it wanted to be, so it became an awkward middle ground between two different things

>>5878105
Doom 3 is Serious Sam: The First Encounter styled ambushes (with lesser space and monster counts, yes, but nonetheless) among Martian Gothic: Unification general setting, tone and design sensibilities, painted in a "darker&edgier" version of Quake 2's visual style.

>>5878112
For as flawed as it is, I do like that about it.

please us this worm to jump in the hole

>>5878117

>>5878117
ew vore

>>5876324
Also had a really weak enemy variety.

Is E2M2 the greatest stock map ever made?

>>5873871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsk6YHd_hss

>>5878235
It's definitely one of the top ones. I think E2 has some of the original game's best maps.

>>5877076
Also, as a cherry on top, you wanna hear something REALLY out of the blue?

HL2 is Daikatana episode 2 (Greece; others - to much lesser extent; gravity gun is a spin on the disc weapon from ep2, you even use literal circular saws pretty much immediately after you are given the gravigun) spliced with Messiah (Shiny's). On a sidenote, Greece is by far the best chapter in Daikatana, entirely unaffected by retarded Romero's rebalances, yet still polished to the maximum extent anything in Daikatana could be.

Dunno about HL2ep2 yet.

>>5878251

>>5878112
It literally uses the same type of ambushes as Doom 1's most loved episode. Yet people ignore everything that makes a resemblance to the og Doom and play it off as bad. Double standards much.

>>5878295
It uses them way too much, for most of the game, and while being overall much darker.

>>5878295
Doesn't KDitD use teleportation-type ambush in its secret level only, all the other ones being of the monster closet type?

>Hl is a Fade to Black rip off
>Hl2 is a Daikatana rip off
>Op4 is more original than base hl.
What did zoom zooms mean by this?

Blue Shift is unironically my favorite HL.

You unironically have shit taste.

>>5878321
Correct.

>>5878329
daikatana has more soul in one frame than hl2 does in the entire game

/tv/ is having an argument about nudoom, who is in the wrong here?
>>>/tv/120911108

>>5878342
Ok romero.

>>5878345
>/tv/
everyone is in the wrong just by merit of using that board

Nudoom sure lives in /v/ zoomers head rent free.

>>5878345
I mostly see Wojak images. Not much of an argument. I'm gonna say everyone is in the wrong.

>>5878295
Except the level design was trash so every single one of the instances it happened were easy to foresee. You can't hinge on a single gimmick.

>>5878345
>>5878356
Fuck off, faggot.

>>5878371
I was just saying that /v/ is so obsessed(probably one guy) with trashing nudoom that they have to shit up /tv/.

>vitaQuake FPS tanks on Grisly Grotto
Oh boy.

Was this an issue back in the day? Big open spaces causing huge amounts of rendering latency? I hope shit like this is rare.

>>5878345
>the faggot board for faggots is having some faggot argument about something they don't understand well
Color me surprised. These assholes are peak Dunning Kruger.

>>5878379
Not familiar with VitaQuake, is it based on another sourceport?

>>5878408
Yeah, it's based on winQuake

>>5878413
Hmm. Then it's software rendering on your Vita I guess, rather than using proper accelerated 3D.
Is there any port for the Vita based on GLQuake or QuakeSpasm?

>>5878379
>Was this an issue back in the day?
back in the day a consistent 25-30fps would've been good performance so sort of but not in the same way

>>5873871
Duke Nukem, Redneck Rampage and Blood but on PS Vita.

>>5878424
It actually does use 3D acceleration, fully utilizing the vita's GPU. It's based on winQuake, but has had a lot done to it.

It's weird because I learned that the engine uses water for occlusion culling thanks to this. As soon as I break the surface, it drops to 15FPS.

using linux for the first time and trying to play gzdoom, this shit is fucking confusing, has anyone just put together a zip file for linux with everything in it?

>>5878431
a vita should be way more powerful, though
sounds like the port itself is fucky

Have you noticed that unlike Duke3D, Redneck Rampage, and Shadow Warrior, Blood has little in-game humor? secret areas yeah, but not so much humor.

>>5878379
In a manner of speaking, most people would be lucky to have a computer good enough to run the original .exe at a consistent 20fps on launch.

GLQuake kind of set of an arms race in hardware development that had been just waiting for something like that to happen, many people who wanted to run Quake in OpenGL and get good and consistent +30fps performance shelled out big bucks to upgrade or replace their PC.
It was a bit of an industry driver like that, and then of course other games using 3D acceleration came along too, which drove development even further.

>>5878235
>>5878246
I love the music and the atmosphere of this stage.
The lack of zombies + berserk + labyrinth of boxes + clash of hellish and tech base theme are pure kino.

are there any good fanmade maps for doom 64?

>>5873871
I hope there's a prototype of Duke Nukem 64 that has at least slightly less censorship than the retail version.

>>5878610
You could probably make a romhack or something.

>>5878616
N64 romhacking is at BEST barely out of infancy.

>>5878619
Probably, but just swapping a few frames and editing some lines would probably be feasible.

Do you folks really not use deodorants to the point that companies need to advertise these things at conventions?

>>5878640
>folks
>>>/reddit/

>>5878640
I don't go to cons.

>>5877882
>4chan spacing

>>5878675
Take your adderall zoomer, one paragraph isn't hard

>>5878692
make it easier to read it only takes a second you autistic twit

>>5878695
Anon I have bad news

>>5878695
How is spamming line breaks "easier to read"? It's the same amount of text. Have you ever seen books? They're

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and people have been reading them just fine for thousands of years.

your op4 post was shit anyway.

>>5878705
books also don't have 270 character long lines

>Doom has retards who can't read long paragraphs
>That one music thread has a retard arguing that midi is a programming language
>Programming thread has retards falling over themselves to try proving they're smartguys while also being blatantly wrong.
Holy fuck isn't summer strong this year. Anytime now we'll see retarded posts with cropped porn attached for no other reason than to get the post more attention.

>>5878675
>asshurt redditor

>>5878714
It is. It could use some spacing and formatting, but spacing between every sentence is always bad.

>>5877804
Graf Zahl is a tranny loving faggot who needs a fucking lynching.

>>5878741
holy BASED

>>5878746
no seriously, other then the tranny cocksucking.

He gets pissy about mods he doesnt like, remember lilith that weird mod that fucked with dooms visuals? he intentionally made it impossible to run on more recent gzdoom versions because he got so asshurt about it winning or getting close to winning a cacoaward.

He fucks with GZdoom so much it barely runs yes admittedly my ancient machine, but I shouldnt need a super computer just to play some fucking DOOM, I went back to Crispy/ChocDoom.

Fuck Graf Zahl and Fuck GZDoom and ZDoom, so many fucking trannies.

fucking gross.

>>5878732
>>5878705
No one said you had to space between every sentence, you fucking retard.

>>5878757
cope.

>>5878759
seething

man i was giving you guys the benefit of the doubt for a while but i'm just gonna just stop opening filtered posts from now on.

not even /vr/ is safe anymore.

>>5878769
It'll pass eventually.

>>5878769
>wah muh feelings I'm upset
shut up queer.

>>5878774
i come here for DOOM, not to listen to insane 8ch*n rejects ramble on about their retarded politics.

you either take that language back to where ever you came from or keep it to your fucking self.

>randy prickford stealing things again

And yet Randy thinks Op4 is more original than half life,

>>5878746
>>5878754
what did I miss, anons?

>Bitching about Randy Pitchford
>Muh Half-Life
>>>/v/

>>5878868
Install 4chan x and it automatically links you to the archived posts.
Then you can enjoy fascinating stuff like "Graf is a tranny lover".

Tried making a more snekky styled attack for the ophidians, so I made them slink down and made their projectiles floorhuggers. Thoughts on how to improve?

>>5878880
kys zoomer hl is retro and randy games suck.

>>5878898
Honestly feels like too many frames for the animation. I think it would be just fine if they paused then instantly snapped to the floor, kinda like the pig cops in Duke Nukem.

Serious question, is not my intention to antagonize, but I want to genuinely know:
Why do /vr/etro fps prefers SC-55 over SGM-V2.01?
Had you guys tried SGM-V2.01 but still prefer SC-55? Or SC-55 is good enough for you?

>>5878502
It's the most fucked up while also taking itself way more seriously than the others.

>>5878971
I have never tried SGM-V2.01.

I don't own an actual SC-55, but SC-55 recordings and SC-55 imitation soundfonts (such as Emperor Grieferus') are the ones I've liked most so far.

If you could record some of Plutonia's Community MIDI Pack with an SGM-V2.01 or imitation soundfont of it, and posted it here to listen to, that'd be really neat. That's the MIDI Pack I usually play as a benchmark, in my case.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/music/plutmidi

>>5878898
That animation is pretty odd, it just looks like he sinks into the ground from a distance. Maybe he could like sway from side to side so the projectiles are fired in a spread.

>>5878475
Answer: Depends on your distro.

What retro FPS has the best "enemy on fire" effect?

>>5878961
I think one inbetween frame would be fine.