/vr/ - Retro Games

I'll stick to my 9900k. Let us see your Pi emulate that one.

>>5872764
>buying a raspberry pi
>paying to emulate

>>5872802
Where do I get these free emulation devices anon?

>>5872764
>rasperry pi
I have standards.

>>5872764
Why do people buy real rolex watches when they can buy a fake one for a few dollars?

>>5872764
How are these controllers for retro gaming? The price seems like bullshit but fuck there are no real good choices out there.

>>5872764
Our hobby is video games. Yours is never shutting up about your memepi.

>>5872820
Use the computer you already have.

>>5872834
I think a better analogy would be "Why buy a rolex watch when you can just buy a cheap watch?"

Almost any device capable of emulation would be better than RetroPie. RetroPie has a shit-ton of input lag. Shmups and rhythm games are mostly unplayable, especially with the SNES cores.

Why do you keep advertising this stupid shit on /vr/ anyway? By necessity, we have a pretty good grasp of the technical implementations of hardware emulation. If you think we aren't going to notice your frontend's glaring overhead and lack of optimization right off the bat, you're sorely mistaken. >>>/v/ would be a much more gullible demographic for you to swindle.

>>5872881
I think a better analogy would be why buy a mint first edition copy of The Sun Also Rises when you can buy a $50 e-reader and download a digital copy with a bunch of typos and chapter 4 missing.

>>5872917
That's not a good analogy because it's all digital.

>>5872894
Intel Nuc shits all over the the raspberry pi and can get picked up pretty cheap on ebay.

Yeah to anyone who wants to shit on me bc emulation but fuck if i don't have the means to repurchase all my consoles, controllers, memory cards, and games again.

>>5872946
>Intel Nuc shits all over the the raspberry pi
There isn't a whole lot of computers that don't shit all over the Rpi. I respect anyone who plays games the way they enjoy, but by the same token you are on a forum dedicated to old video games. Many of us enjoy both the game and the hardware. I would say that IF you are content with your adventures in the hobby, that is what is most important. I don't emulate because I still have every single video game system I ever bought going back to an Atarii VCS. Do I emulate? Sure. My wii has allowed me to disconnect & store my Nes, Snes & Sega Genesis. I still use a CRT tv, so that plays into my considerations. To each their own. Repairs on older systems are few and far between. The worst things I have had to do is a PSX laser, and a battery in a neo geo. There are ways to extend the life of systems, and turning off the power to the units when not in use is the quickest and easiest.
>Alienware Alpha R1 w/i3
I bought one of these, and liked it so much I bought another. Both were incredibly cheap, and though used they handle contemporary games well. I know that for emulation purposes they would also work excellent. They are also very small, but are a full powered PC.

>>5873036
>I don't emulate
>>5873036
>Do I emulate? Sure.
I guess I lied a bit lol. I just wanted to point this out. The wii saves me 2 plugs on my system selector for systems I barely use.

I really don't get it. Literally the only reason to use Raspberry Pi is that it's an open source platform but if you're emulating on it, you're violating copyright with the roms. Is it because you get brand new hardware instead of having to buy second hand? Or some kind of virtue signaling? Does every Raspberry Pi you buy kick a bully in his balls or something?

>>5872924
>because it's all digital.
uh-huh

>>5873157
It's fun.

>>5873172
Because they snap together Lego style or..?

>>5873178
Or what?

>>5873189
That's what I'm asking.

>>5873198
You don't like building things?

>>5872764
Because I emulate on the PC I already own. Pifags are easily swindled retards.

>>5872764
>Why don't you all just settle on a rasperry pi and emulate everything already?

Because I like filling my house with my nostalgic gaming peripherals that nobody but me cares about.

>>5873214
Finally a respectable answer.

>>5872764
>Why don't you all just settle on a rasperry pi and emulate everything already?

What if I do both?

>>5873206
>Yes, it's fun because it snaps together like Legos
If I modify it customize something I like that it's unique

>>5873262
>If I modify it customize something I like that it's unique
Again in English please?

>>5873167
>weebshit
Yikes.

>>5873294
well, (obviously, I think) my autocorrect turned "or" into "it" or you could add a front slash but I suspect you're just being pedantic on purpose to avoid acknowledging that you just like snapping together little kits and feeling like you "made" something.

>>5873328
That's nice, go play with your legos.

>>5872764
i had fun with a retropie for about a week until i realized it was fucking ass for anything above a SNES since the FX games (e.g. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island) would overheat the little fucker resulting in either a better heat sink and/or case.

Yeah, fuck that. A toaster can play the same shit, these little things are nothing special.

Why do pi users like to pretend that everyone playing on real hardware is a haerdcore collector? Did it ever occur to you that most people just buy a handful of games they enjoy, or use flashcarts if they want access to a full library?

>>5873363
Well, I put together a pretty neat infrared remote control car teknics recently... Did you and your dad assemble that Minty Pie together? I'd be supportive of that.

>>5873369
That's how /vr/ has been over the last few months. Might be a /v/ invasion or something
>emulatorfags are just poorfags who can't afford the real thing
>hardware flags are just collectorfags who fill the void in their life by hoarding retro games
Theres no in between.

>>5872764
wait what? why does this hobby threaten you? I am actually curious, i have seen people get upset bc others have money to waste....but why post this?

>>5872764
all I'll say is that you faggots are terrible at making analogies or intentionally are fallacy spewing fucks.

all I'll say is that you faggots are terrible at making analogies or intentionally are fallacy spewing fucks.

>>5873157
>Literally the only reason to use Raspberry Pi is that it's an open source platform
Yes but the main benefit isn't that it's avoiding corporate evil, it's that it has incredible emulation development with its community and bounties. You can make anything out of it and don't have to use a kit but obviously you're just playing stupid. Have fun with your remote control car toy.

>>5873395
medicine could help your impulse control anon, aggression, and mood. seriously.

>>5873398
way to prove him right

>>5873396
>it has incredible emulation
It's atrocious for emulation. The amount of input and audio latency makes Pi useless for anything other than turn-based games.

>>5873435
Yes, you're right and all those other people are wrong.

>>5873435
A lot of people are happy with shoddy garbage, and a lot of people aren't. So what?

>>5873435
the input delay really is terrible on these things.

A pi seems nice for traveling or for a secondary set up, but I would never use it as my main machine to play retro games on.
>>5873435
this guy is right, it has pretty bad input lag and just not powerful enough to handle good emulation.
If I was on the absolute cheap and wanted to get my retro game fix I'd get a wii and a small crt from craiglist and call it a day. I can promise anyone that experience would be so much better than a retro pie.

>>5873467
>>5873476
I just don't see the lag people are talking about.

>>5873479
Good for you then I guess, it's like if you listened to music with 128 kb/s mp3s and thought it sounded great, if that's good enough for you then it just is. But don't go around saying the it's just as good.

>>5873476
>wii and a small crt
much better low budget emulation option than a raspberry pi, with the bonus of gc and wii games if you care about that

>>5873380
It's either trolls or rb pi owners with buyer remorse, but we'll never know.

>>5873484
isn't the gamecube hardware not in the newer wiis?

>>5873496
right. if it doesn't have gc ports then it's not compatible

>>5872764
>Filling your house with nostalgic gaming peripherals no one cares about
If no one cared about them they wouldn’t be so expensive. Also, why do you give a fuck about what someone cares about? Why are you here if you hate your hobby?

well

the people claiming the pi has lag don't have numbers

they'll tell you the shitty wii is better lmao

the pi community measures lag in milliseconds

the drooling mongoloids here just make generalizations with no evidence

>>5873504
but it can be hacked to play gc games right?

>>5873509
>demanding numbers
>not providing sources for counterpoints

>>5873519
yep

>>5873509

Why play games at all? Life is literally ticking away

>>5872764
>filthy casual tablet screen
>wireless controller
Good luck with your 40ms input lag OP, you're a faggot

>>5873596
>40ms input lag
optimistic

>>5873581
RetroArch on PC had a lot of input latency as well. Exactly what settings and hardware are being used here? Because those results probably don't reflect the average hardware setup if the user is claiming such a low amount of latency.

>>5873581
That's a year old. No wait probably 2 years old. With how fast emulation is developing I'm not sure why such old benchmarks would be relevant, but maybe you live in the past.

>>5873607
>With how fast emulation is developing
Except it's not. A lot of RA cores are code from old, abandoned emulators that haven't been updated in a decade. RA itself is just the frontend that ties the cores and configurations together. Nothing done to "improve" RA would change the fact that the whole system is just a lot of unneeded overhead that makes these cores less responsive.

>>5873581
Here's some data that's actually relevant in 2019. This was with a Raspberry Pi 3B+ so it's actually old data as well, with the release of the Raspberry Pi 4 we're about to see another big improvement in performance in a few months once the code is out.

>>5873606
>>5873607
Details are here: https://forums.libretro.com/t/an-input-lag-investigation/4407/700

>>5873623
Yeah that's really outdated now, sorry. Good effort though.
>>5873620
2/10 bait. Try using more specific terminology in future trolling attempts to come across as believable.

>>5873157
>Or some kind of virtue signaling?
Yeah that's pretty much it. For some reason, configuring a Raspberry Pi has become a badge of honor among nerds who fancy themselves as part of the "Maker" scene.

>>5873625
>everyone who disagrees with me is trolling

Are you serious? You can take your software and fuck off if that's how it's going to be. Don't bother to ask for this board's input if you're just going to sperg out at every one who doesn't want to suck your dick.

>>5873621
That's terrible.

>>5873621
source?

>>5872764
Because I like real consoles.

>>5873396
The idea that software on niche open source platforms with some "community" is somehow better than for-profit software or even better than open source software on larger platforms is naive. Raspberry Pi is for making your refrigerator talk or letting some African school kid write emails. Not for gaming.

>>5873648
why?

>>5873656
I dunno. They are fun to use.

>>5873634
No one asked for the input of some retard who doesn't understand anything and says things like "RA itself is just the frontend"
Become informed about a topic and then try to tell other people about it, not the other way around.

>>5873632
it's neat to have a custom shell for a raspberry pi but there's something really comforting about a ps1 slim

>>5873659
>some retard who doesn't understand

Projecting

>>5873652
If there's a glitch in a new EA game, it might go weeks without being fixed. If there's an emulation feature for my computer I want I can program it myself and share with the community, or ask someone else to do it. I can even a bounty if I want it by tomorrow.
> Raspberry Pi is for making your refrigerator talk or letting some African school kid write emails
You're astonishingly naive.

>>5873673
You don't even have a coherent argument. Are you arguing in favor of open source software or are you asking in favor of emulation over real hardware or are you arguing for Raspberry Pi as a platform? The thread is about Raspberry Pi and what you're being kicked around for is that Raspberry Pi is weak. Your argument doesn't seem to be about Raspberry Pi to me or is your argument that its community is better PC community?

>>5872764
emulation is for the poor, which is fine. a collector is better type of person. i hate poor folk, or as i call them, niggers.

>>5873685
>For is that
Just stop namefag

>>5873685
It's not about the brand or model of portable Linux computer, you close minded monkey

>>5873673
EA bad, Memeberry good

>>5872764
While the Pi is cool, my setup is cooler. It can play up to PS2 and Gamecube in 2K with no stuttering (gonna be some on PS2 because PCSX2 is unoptimized shit). May be able to run CEMU and RPCS3, haven't tried them yet.

>>5872864
>but fuck there are no real good choices out there.
What is an Xbone controller

>>5872764
I don't like poor people

>>5872764
>Buying carts
All you need is the console and a everdrive. Collecting cartridges is for losers.

>>5872764
Because we aren't fakers, some of us like to do things legit
And it's a fucking hobby; mind your own business.

>>5873732
I find the xbox one controller works with the USB receiver over Bluetooth. The latter always giving me input lag via retroarch.

>>5873732
XboxOne controller has a shit d-pad.

>>5873714
Oh so your argument is that Linux emulators are better than Windows emulators. Okay, cool. Wrong but even if it wasn't, a used core i5 you can buy for the same price as a Raspberry Pi will also blow its doors off dual booting into Linux too.

>>5873784
It's been fine for me. Then again I don't play fighting games with it

>>5873790
Let me know when you Windows cucks get a Sega Genesis emulator like Genesis GX. As for your used core i5 computer that exists in your head, let me know when it can boot Raspberry Pi community pre-made hard drive images.

>>5873838

Disregarding cost:
>original hardware + original games > original hardware + flash > good FPGA console > perfectly set-up PC /w crt_emudriver > Wii > mini console > poorly set-up PC > Rasberry Pi > Retron5 and its shitty pals

>>5873878
There is literally no difference between a flash cart and og cartridges excluding special chip games. roms are roms, as long as it makes it into the console it's all accurate.

>>5872764
I emulate on my PC like a normal person.

>>5873905
>here is literally no difference between a flash cart and og cartridges
Some flash carts cause a faint vertical line to appear in the video, some others cause a little bit of noise. The Everdrive and SD2SNES do not have this issue. But once you get into the cheaper stuff it pops up.

>>5873961
Good flash carts are a no brainer. Considering the insane price of old games one $100 ish dollar cart is a small price to pay.

>>5873867
He's right though. Genesis GX actually started out as an emulator for Windows but was ported to the Wii where it became better than the original - so much so that I believe they're porting Genesis GX back to windows again but it's not as good. These are strange times for oldfags who can't keep up - people can no longer assume the best emulator is on PC or that the better your computer the better the emulation will be.

>>5873982
Perhaps, but that doesn't make them perfect. There are electrical differences between them that can manifest in the analog video. To say there is "literally no difference" is incorrect. And you may cry out "autism!" but think about what board you are on.

>>5873905
>literally no difference
The empty husk has an opinion on matters of aesthetics and the presentation and appreciation of creative work. Very insightful, very relevant.

>>5873989
>people can no longer assume the best emulator is on PC or that the better your computer the better the emulation will be.
Sure they can and with only extremely limited, minor and dubious "gotcha" exceptions they'll be right.

>>5873878
In my opinion
>high accuracy emulator + high quality CRT + modern USB controller > all

An emulator can output better video with a PC graphics card than any original hardware system. All of the jailbars, shadows, noise, etc that trouble RGB modders are non-existent.

>>5874001
Even if the issue of high and inconsistent input latency is eventually fixed through frame delay combined with runahead--something that's very unlikely to ever happen--there's still the glaring issue of audio latency. My PC also doesn't have a cart slot. Best you can do for some nearly unobtainable arcade PCBs though, until someone programs somewhat accurate FPGAs for all arcade hardware anyway.

>>5873993
I appreciate the aesthetic quality's of old games in box sure. But the price is prohibitive and nonrealistic. If your just buying loose carts you might as well have a flash cart.

>>5874016
You're wasting your money on original hardware.

>>5874169
Old games and books are the best things I've ever spent discretionary money on. I have wasted a lot of time with software emulation though, each time thinking that maybe they're finally worthwhile as something more than a way to try before buying, and each time being wrong. I've also wasted some money on flash carts and an e-reader that I could have used to buy something that I'd actually value.

Friend of mine gifted me a bigbox/launchbox premium license, how is it as far as front ends go? I don't want to fuck with it overmuch if my hyperspin set up is better.

>>5874248
Its good because it sets itself up for you. If you already have a hyperspin you're happy with I'm sure you'll end up staying with that.

>>5874264
Ah. I'll give it a shot. I've got everything on an external, so that makes things easier if it sets itself up for the most part.

>>5874267
Its good, lots of info about games. Feels a little bit more like browsing shelves at a game store while hyperspin feels like an arcade experience. One thing to know in advance though is that when you think it has itself all set up and it seems like it's usable, if you have tons of games it runs real slow and choppy until it gets all its cache files set up which it tries to do in the background as you browse for some reason. There's a way to just force it to do all that at once too and then it runs smoother.

>>5874328
I have full/near full sets of everything up to PS2.

>>5874248
It's a worse version of Hyperpie that costs money lol

>>5874242
You're wasting your money on original hardware.

>>5872764
>Filling your house with your nostalgic gaming peripherals no one cares about
>Posts on a board dedicated to retro games
>Only wanting to own things because you think other people might think its cool

whew lad

>>5874534
I can feel the poor of you through my monitor.

>>5872874
>Use the computer you already have.
But I can't pack my computer into a Game Boy shell for portable autism.

>>5874813
Then use the phone you already have

Someone explain the benefit in owning disc-format games when you know they are going to eventually corrode and as a result be worthless.

>>5874539
how's that super scope doing, anon?

>>5874836
What's the point in owning anything then?

I have never felt more compelled to hide any thread than this one. What the fuck happened to /vr/? Half the shit on this board is just viral marketing anymore.

>>5873509
Holy reddit spacing, batman!

>>5873509
>they'll tell you the shitty wii is better lmao
It is.

>>5872874
>a computer is free

>>5874878

not him but kys you obnoxious zoomer, that's how us boomers spoke back in the day. its like our ancient way of typing.

>>5875050
Are you renting yours?

>>5874545
You are wasting your money.

>>5875281
I remember seeing those TV ads where you can rent-to-own an XBox or laptop for $50 a month/3 years. Whcih would mean that Xbox would be $1,800.

>>5875450
How do you think they make their money?

>>5875506
Same way those Check n Go places do, off of poor, dumb ppl