/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
-Currently looking for mappers, testers, and anyone else who can help.
-Project Discord server: https://discord.gg/BBPnHM8

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Current release, final unless bugs are spotted
-https://mega.nz/#!znJVlAiJ!CfsIcjb1Z_hDcesCaUKOkCcRJlgUhLmf49T6RVYCbUU

=== NEWS ===

[9-3] Doom4 Vanilla updated to 1.1, MS-DOS version released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-new-v11-ms-dos-edition/

[9-1] Colorful Hell update
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1117225#p1117225

[9-1] Doom 4 Vanilla released.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-dehacked-project/

[9-1] OTEX, a resource of textures and flats released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103426-otex-texture-set-%E2%80%93-update-version-10-released/

[9-1] Fraggle's 'Miniwad' released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108721-miniwadwad-a-minimalist-iwad

[8-29] Joe Rogan interviews John Carmack
https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8

[8-27] Anon releases his unfinished project, free for cannibalizing
https://gofile.io/?c=7iv0Zp

[8-26] Ion Fury devs claim upcoming patch is not censoring content
https://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1616150570017627014

[8-25] Final Doomer 3.1 releases with Hellbound, Alien Vendetta, and Whitemare-themed weapon sets
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55061

[8-23] Paradise v2 final version out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106058-paradise-v2-final-version-8222019/

[8-23] Doom Mobile RPG page taken down, reuploaded to Mega
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4

[8-22] James and ClintLGR made an Chex AVGN video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg0y9i5E7nY

[8-22] Anon uploads obscure retro FPS'
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac

=== PREVIOUS ===

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== PROTIP ==

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Doom

First for Downtown, one of the best maps

>>5861702
t. Sandy Petersen

>>5861667
>playing a hard wad
>map 1x
>see monster count
>70/80
>my dick=hard

Seriously, nothing more exciting than playing a hard map that doesn't rely on spamming monsters in the almost thousands

>>5861720
inb4
>map 2x
>see monster count
>dick shrivels up into nothingness

>>5861723
as soon as you hit the twenties, then if it is any less than a slaughtermap, the mapper thinks it's not hard enough

>>5861701
>anime faggotry

>>5861702
Dooms sucked at representing realistic places

>>5861731
How long was this up for? Lost count, but I know it was for years.

>>5861731
touhou is a video game :^)

>>5861731
It's not leaving anytime soon

>>5861736
>>5861738
>>5861741
Begone sodomites

>>5861743
You don't tell me what to do.

>>5861743
nah

>>5861747

>>5861743
I'm still here, what are you gonna do about it?

>>5861735
There’s a certain charm to it, how it doesn’t look exactly like real life but the buildings are mostly kinda just blocks. I
like how suburbs looks.

Depressing to update GZDoom and then check my favorite mods to see which ones are still playable

>>5861731
>>5861743
i thought you were supposed to be shitposting on another board

How do you know a level was designed with pistol start? On a related note, downtown can go fuck itself

>>5861778
What's wrong with downtown?

>>5861778
Having a shotgun and armor spawn in the first room is a good indicator.

>>5861778

No strong monsters near the start that would fuck you up if you only had a pistol and the level having most weapons of the arsenal alongside plenty of ammo

>>5861778
All levels should be played with pistol start

>>5861791
Whatever floats your boat.

Why are they so awesome

>>5861809
damn, that hellknight got some serious sunburns this summer

>>5861735
I honestly think Suburbs is a genuinely fun map, despite it being nothing like a real suburban location.

>>5861831
I think it has way too many revenants. I think they got excited with the new bestiary and just shoved them everywhere to make things feel difficult

>>5861743
>>5861731

>>5861836
Thanks for using my meme, $0.01 have been deducted from your account.

>>5861778
Most levels kind of are built around pistol start in the sense that they're almost always playtested that way, but that doesn't mean you aren't meant to play progressive either.

After playing Sigil I realize how good Romero is at the visual language of a level. In so many wads I press a switch and often spend a long time looking around wondering what the fuck it did. For some reason Romero always seems to avoid this tedium by intuitive level layouts and good visual communication.

>>5861831
Suburbs is pretty great, and the encounter with a fuckton of imps, cacodemons, revenants, and mancubi is really unlike anything that happened in Doom 1. It gets pretty overshadowed by all the stuff people have done later, but for the time it must have been absolutely insane.

>>5861778
Usually continuous-only mapsets only spawn each weapon once or twice in the entire thing, and often balance ammo with the expectation that you've brought in supplies from previous maps. Which can lead to later maps providing most of your ammo/weapons from hitscanner corpses, which might not be adequate enough through pistol-starting.

These types of mapsets are very rare, though. Most continuous friendly mapsets are also pistol-start balanced, as its generally easier to playtest a map independently from the rest of the maps of the mapset. Most cases of continuous balance is usually just things to prevent the pistol-start balance of maps from making things too easy, like depriving earlier maps from having a Backpack so that you aren't taking too much ammo to the next level, or a death exit to make you lose gear that might trivialise the gameplay of a later map.

>>5861848
it's not really complicated
you're either near what the switch triggers when you hit it, or it triggered something you've already seen and you get led directly to it

>>5861848
Romero's maps have a nice balance of linearity and explorability, IMO.

Am I retarded lads? Playing Quake II and can't find almost half of the secrets per level. Pretty much unless it's dead obvious I can't find it.

>>5861832
>too many revenants
I bet you think Plutonia is artificial difficulty, too.

*uses SSG to kill a single zombieman*

>>5861895
yes, and?

i'm not going to switch to weapons for just 1 zombieman
there's other shit before and after it, and shells are everywhere

>>5861895
*Holds down fire button to kill a imp on the other side of the map with the chaingun*

>>5861895
*uses shotgun or pistol just to get shells/bullets back to an even number*

>>5861895
*autistically avoids walking over a box of shells with 82 in the inventory to not waste any*

>>5861715
Petersen’s hell maps in 2 were really cool. Doom 2 in general had a different kind of twisted hell vibe of corruption

>>5861924
> row of clips
> 400/400 bullets
> w+m1 with chaingun out

>>5861743
You're gayer than them, anon.

Does gzdoom store any saves or ini files anywhere aside from the installation folder?

>>5861947
unless you change save_dir in the config, no

I hate fps games because I have shit spatial intelligence and can't understand 3D spaces

>>5861772
just keep the old version too

>>5861972
but anon, you live in a 3d space

>>5861972
are you by chance asian?

>>5862002
No I'm white but a giant weeb who plays nothing but 2D fighting games, shmups and JRPGs
>>5861989
Yes and I bump into everything all the time and I'm shit at sports

>>5861929
The lady doth protest too much, methinks

>>5861972
Doom isn’t 3d

>>5862046
Neither is Quake after its projected on your 2D screen.

>>5862010
Have you ever gone to a doctor to see that?

>>5862046

Fist of the Doomed Star.

>>5862054
Yes I have severe scoliosis. I think it's a neurological thing, the brain fails to communicate to the body so it grows up twisted

>>5862046
Doom is 4D.

>>5862046
The universe is a 2D sphere surface with an extra dimension added holographically. Also suck my nuts.

Are you guys having fun?

This was good, I'm glad they were able to do it finally.

>>5861895
Switching weapons in Doom takes fucking forever though

>>5862094
Yeah, I thought it was really interesting to listen to.

>>5862098
Take your meds

>>5862102
Yah, wasn't bad. He avoided getting too technical and over Joe's head which was smart.

>>5861667
How do you run Ashes 2063: Dead Man Walking? I'm using GZDoom if that matters.

>>5861929
big plus for shirow!

>>5862051
>>5862080
Doom 1 and 2 are more 2.5D raytracing and 2d sphere surfaces (another game that uses this method is TES Chapter 1: Arena)
Duke 3D, Tekwar, Shadow Warrior, and blood are slightly more 3D and more versatile, but still not truly polygonal 3D like the System Shock and Quake Engines

Hosting a zandronum server with only D2TWID: 45.79.206.145
Might not keep it up for long, just doing this for testing purposes right now.

dafuq

>>5861667
What the heck is going on

>>5862238
Theres 3 doom thread and one about smash
That

>>5862163
Look at the recommended stuff on its page, then if you dont want to make a shortcut, pick up and drag the pk3s and wad necessary and drop them on the gzdoom executable.

>>5862238
Some kid's desperate to set up some bullshit /vr/ discord and keeps shilling it everywhere.
I'm the one hosting the Doom server, I didn't want to do this long term or anything I just wanted to do a quick host on a whim please help.

Anyone else play toilet of the gods? It’s elegant as fuck

>>5862238
The third post from left to right, i'd bet he's a tourist that doesn't knows about the retro fps thread.
But if he's not and he's reading this, lurk moar and go read the guides.

>>5862139
It's slow enough to warrant just doing it with the current weapon bar BFG.

>>5862271
I can't imagine playing wads like these without overpowered weapons.

>>5861747

>>5862139
Have you played any retro FPS besides Doom and Quake 2? Its fuckin slow.

Has HUH been put on quaddicted yet?

Why is Sigil literally the only wad where I don’t have to select an iwad, and it just starts?

>>5862369

>>5862369

Now the dust has settled, what's the final verdict on Sigil and Ion Fury?

>>5861925
God no, everything after map 10 is an atrocity and has been the general opinion on /vr/ since always.

Hey anon that suggested a mod to change HL1's weapon damage values here. I noticed that there's something called skill.cfg in the valve file of HL1 with the health stats for the enemies and damage stats for the weapons too. Could I just change the values in this and run it ingame?

keep in mind I have no idea how to mod games beyond changing cfgs and inis which obviously doesn't count

>>5861669
Could You Would You in a Box released
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yh5xig7vrvobnqh/Could%20You%20Would%20You%20In%20A%20Box.zip?dl=1

>>5861667
What are everyone's favorite user maps for Duke? I'm very fond of the Roch series.

>>5862403
People don’t like Monster Condo? That was my favorite map in 2

>>5862226
raycasting ≠ raytracing

>>5862417
Red series, WGCity, Shaky Grounds, Doom City

>>5862407
I haven't tried it so i'm not 100% but yeah, that just looks like damage and health for each difficulty (stuff that ends in 1=easy, 2=normal, 3=hard), so as long as you back up the original there's no harm in changing it and i don't see why it wouldn't work
let me know how it turns out

anyone has a ioquake3 test build download link?

>>5862407
That's how basic modding works. Just numbers.

>>5862459
>>5862479
I'll try it when I get the chance. Think Ill test it with Surface Tension or whatever level it was when you fight a bunch of Vortigaunts in the offices or something

>>5862403
Map 8 for me, actually, with one of the few exceptions map 10

>>5862443
The game is a complete shit between Map 12 and Map 26.

>>5862403
>general opinion on /vr/
No it isn't. The closest you can find on general opinion on Doom 2's maps on /vr/ is that the quality is somewhat uneven and that the first third is the consistently strongest.

>>5862505
Inmost Dens, Barrels O Fun, The Chasm are all pretty great

>>5862512
A lot of people hate The Chasm but I like it.

>>5862512
>Inmost Dens
i will never understand people who dislike it

>>5862482
Update, this really came as no surprise cus all I did was change the CFG file, but I changed the values for the pistol and shotgun from 8-5 to 999 each. I loaded up surface tension, and suddenly the soldiers went down the instant I shot them as well as the infamous helicopter over the dam.

I really think I'm on to something here, I'm thinking of doing an actual change in the values for all the weapons at some point and uploading the CFG for all to play. Any suggestions for damage values?

>>5862519
Never seen anyone post any Chasm hate. Just the occasional "it's mediocre" comment.

>>5862549
HAHA NEVERMIND I'm fucking stupid

>>5862549
That's exactly what it is. It's like the definition of a middle of the road quality game.

>>5862557
Well they were talking about map24. I fucked up.

>>5862519
For some reason, Chasm really represents Doom 2 for me. It has an aesthetic all its own. The sort of brown/green colors and huge spaces

>>5861989
that would certainly explain my shitty life

>>5862652
Don't worry. The community will patch that at some point.

>>5862391
Ion Fury is cool, haven't played Sigil.

>>5862531
somebody mentioned that it was the steam version that changed the numbers, so i think i'm going to get ahold of the original CD and compare those files real quick, other than that i think the main things that need to be changed are:
-lower soldier health
-lower soldier damage
-increase smg damage
-possibly lower alien grunt health
-maybe decrease the turret damage? they're easy enough to take down so i'm not sure that'd be a fair change
hopefully other half life anons ITT can suggest precise amounts or other enemies that should be tweaked

>>5862665
Ion Fury is very beautiful but very forgettable as well.

>>5862667
How much damage does a weapon do? How much health does an enemy have?
Do some basic math and figure out how you want the game to handle. That's it! EZ

>>5862391
Sigil is solid. Worth downloading. Not as great as the original 3 Episodes, but still fun. Plus it's obviously cool as shit that it even exists.

Ion Fury is recommended if you're a fan of the Build Trinity. The first third of the game has STRONG level design that goes downhill later on with a lot of tunnels and shit. The devs didn't understand their own strengths as level designers. The wide open city levels are AMAZING and there's not nearly enough of those kinds of levels in the middle and later parts of the game. Weapons are also underwhelming, especially in comparison to the Build Trinity (which, to be fair, have some of the best weapon arsenals of any games ever). The most surprising thing is how faithful it is to the 90s FPS experience. Aside from it doing things that would have been impossible in the real Build Engine, it plays EXACTLY like a game from 20 years ago. It's so faithful to the gameplay and design of 90s FPSes that it's genuinely astonishing. Every other attempt at a modern "retro FPS" has always felt a little "off" in some way or another in comparison to the games it was imitating, even if the game was still great. This game doesn't miss by even a degree.

>>5862226
2.5 D is when either grapically or gameplay wise 3D dimension is completely omitted.
Sprite RTS emulated elevation, that is 2.5 D.
Some platformers and fighting games limit the gameplane to a single plane making gameplay 2D while maintaining 3D visuals. That is 2.5D.

Doom 1/2 worlds are 3D, as player, projectiles and monsters can move in all 3 dimensions.
and gameplay is fully 3D with all 3 axis involved. 3d axis is only omitted in some calculations for performance purposes, but is present in many.
Infinitely tall monsters/hitboxes are often cited as main reason Doom is not fully 3D, but that was done purely for performance - Heretic and Hexen on the same engine get rid of that.

Carmack himself when asked said that the proper definition is "limited 3D".

There's that one yt video by some famous guys that tries to prove Doom 2D so hard they get pretty much every single argument factually and verifiably wrong.

>mfw playing Project Warlock and getting a gun for the first time

>>5862667
ok just got done installing 1.1.0.8 (GOTY edition, IIRC last non-steam version)
it doesn't have skill.cfg, valve must have changed how that works in the steam port, but going to c2a2d (where i'm at in my current playthrough on difficult) and setting skill to 3, it feels the same in terms of how quickly soldiers kill you/how many shots from the smg it takes to kill them
Also in case anyone's interested, here's the iso for HL1 GOTY edition:
https://archive.org/details/HalfLifeGameOfTheYearEdition
There's a CD key in the comments in case the installer asks for one

https://twitter.com/LILBTHEBASEDGOD/status/1169694915602743296

>>5862747
>texture filtering

>>5862740
You mean the damage/health values are the same in the hardest mode of the non-steam version as every mode in the steam version then?

>>5862403
As far as Doom II maps go, people only really shit on Tricks and Traps, The Pit, The Factory, Downtown, Nirvana, Barrels o Fun, and Bloodfalls, Sandy still made plenty of good maps.

>>5862753
tricks and traps is kino

>>5862753
I love Tricks and Traps..

>>5862734
>Project Warlock

>>5862756
Sure is. Especially when you fuck up on purpose and turn the starting room into a blood orgy.

>>5862751
No, the hardest non-steam mode feels the same as the hardest steam mode
i don't know the exact values because it doesn't use a skill.cfg, but to me it seems the damage/health have not been altered between versions

>>5862740
Just a different file IIRC.

>>5862740
>>5862667
>other half life anons ITT
Guten Tag.

A lot of weapon statistics apart from damage are defined within the dlls, which means you need to actively mod the source code to change those, which is probably beyond what you're intending to do.
Valve fixed this with HL2 where all the weapon statistics are defined in special files, which lets you change them easily, they wanted to implement a similar system for HL but ran out of time.

Heres comments and advice on weapons:
The crowbar could use a slight damage uptick to make rushing in and potentially taking loads of damage worth it, in the game it's only ever good for autistically saving ammo by harassing zombies and headcrabs, or just smashing the environment to progress.
The pistol is good as is, headshots make quick work of anything and it's supposed to be a somewhat low tier weapon anyway.
The revolver is good as is, it's a very powerful weapon and kills soldiers with one headshot.
As for the SMG, grunts seem pretty bulletspongy because of the SMG being inaccurate and dealing a good chunk less damage than the peestol, upping that will make the MP5 feel stronger but might make the pistol obsolete, you can't change the accuracy outside of code, so beware.
The shotgun feels weak because it has huge hollywood spread, upping the buckshot damage only changes one pellet, and the pellet amounts and spread are once again hardcoded, you might make point-blank shots too strong if you up it too far.
The crossbow is good as is, very powerful.
All energy and explosive weapons have good damage values so leave them as is, the grenade is the only exception, most people ignore them but I make use of them very intensly.
You can't adjust explosion range outside the code, but they're scaled according to damage.

I'm not sure what you can change for enemies except making human grunts a bit weaker, alien grunts are supposed to be chunky, but controllers are stupidly spongy and I hate fighting them, take them down a notch.

>>5862080
The universe is a spheroid 705 meters in diameter.

>>5862785
Not this guy but I think besides a damage increase, being able to chuck your crowbar like in Sven Co-op would be nice.
Then take it a step further and have the crowbar respawn in your inventory after a set amount of time in the likely chance you throw the fucking thing into an awkward spot or off a cliff.

>>5862740
Try copying skill.cfg to the appropriate GOTY directory. Do some changes and see if that works.

>>5862802
This is still going to take code modding, HL doesn't use scripting like GZdoom with ZScript or Decorate, and the anon planning to do his change has said he just wanted to twiddle with the numbers to make the game play better.

>>5862808
well shit, a damage increase alone would be sufficient then

>>5862417
Isn't Duke's shotgun a Mossberg?

>>5862779
i looked everywhere and couldn't find anything relevant, i imagine the damage is hardcoded in this version
>>5862785
definitely agree on the controllers, iirc on hard it takes 3 revolver shots to kill one
>>5862803
nevermind, this worked, sadly still doesn't change that i don't know what the numbers were originally, which is what i was trying to find to compare to steam

>>5862819
Delete skill.cfg from the Steam folder and do pic related. Or just launch the game. Might generate a new file.

>>5862785
>A lot of weapon statistics apart from damage are defined within the dlls
But then mod support came along and changed all of that. Download some old mod and see what interesting files you can file on those directories.

>>5862826
*you can find

>>5862826
>>5862828
Anon said that he is intending to do a simple number shifting mod without modding the game more deeply, if he wanted to he could just grab the mod SDK and change whatever he wants with the guns, crack-life was initially just an asset replacer that changed the code just to change and add weapons.

What wads are generally considered to have the tightest level design ever? The wads that always seem to appear on "best ever" list are usually things like alien vendetta or scythe that seem kind of outdated (and hit or miss), or stuff like sunlust and sunder that is based on heavy slaughter gameplay. I have tried out ancient aliens, and while its certainly pretty I find the level layouts themselves just ok

bros i can't go on much longer without a quake gf

>>5862832
2048 Unleashed is the most tight wad I ever played, but it's literally tight.

>>5862753
Tricks and Traps is good though.

Cloudkini?

>>5862830
I meant that you can override things with cfg files. Simple stuff.

>>5862823
no, i mean i wanted to find out the original damage values in the non-steam version, a few anons in the previous version said they might've been altered during the change to steam
although now i am beginning to think it was always this bullet spongy

>>5862839
Anon, your Quake gf turns 50 in not that many years.

>>5862857
You might be able to list or dump those values via console.

>>5862854
Beyond damage and health there's not much, and a lot more goes into balance than those two factors.
>>5862861
This is not possible AFAIK but you have a right idea.
cfg files just provide values to console variables, and all the skill damage/health values are console variables in HL for quicker adjusting/balancing, the problem is that they're unregistered console variables, meaning you can't read or change them from the console.

>>5862237
What map is this?

Here you go bois, changed the SMG, Shotty and Crowbar damage values as well as the grunts' health values and various other enemy health values. Pop into the "valve" folder in your HL1 Steam directory and change the name to just "skill," and make sure to back up the old one. Lemme know what you think:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4s2pkals31vbosp/skill_NEW_WEAP_%2526_HEALTH_VALUES.cfg/file

>>5862864
>>5862861
just tried it and it works, idk why i didn't think of that
i'll post whether or not they're the same as the steam version once i get them all

>>5862858
my quake gf will stay eternally young and ripped

>>5862883
Ok then

>>5862871
Ok, so I just verified that the original CD release and the Steam version of HL have the same damage and health values, which means I'm just worse at the game than I remember

>>5862906
kek.

>>5862896
she could break me in two and i would have had a happy life

>>5862870
> pic
funny, because i never even use the gluon gun
eats too much ammo too fast and nothings big enough to justify using it
tau cannon is more ammo efficient and easier to throttle the ammo use of

What is the best Doom total conversion in your opinion?

>>5862916
Yep.

>>5862917
Chex Quest

>>5862913
At least you can still play video games.

>>5862870
I took your cfg and booted up Surface Tension to try it out.
I think you might have gone too far in a few places.
HECU die in one shotgun blast from mid range away, I was lucky with the spread once and managed to kill the turret and grunt outside the cliffside pipe with one shotgun blast each, from long distance, that's silly.
The SMG can kill hgrunts in a short burst, and the inaccuracy is the only balance factor, if you stand next to them you can mow them like grass.
I said that alien grunts are supposed to be chunky, but you made them die from 20 rounds of the SMG as well as ONE SINGLE SHOTGUN BLAST.
That's just fucking silly, you sneeze and the prime chads of Xen drop dead.
Remember, if you increase damage and lower enemy health, you basically buff the player's killing power twice over, that's a pitfall that a lot of people fall into with "rebalance" configs.

I'm probably not gonna try your next config if you make one, but some advice:
Guns are somewhat tiered, that's why they vary in power so strongly, and why you don't get a lot of pistol ammo in later chapters, they fill a role.
You shouldn't feel like the Doomguy running around and cutting down soldiers, Doom hitscanners are pathetic cannon-fodder, HL ones are the main enemy for the largest part of the game.
Alien grunts are supposed to be chunky and a threat, if you see one you should unpack the big guns or get some distance, they shouldn't die if you sneeze at them.
I didn't kill any controllers but you should probably make their health as high as vanilla grunts, that makes them weaker but still formidable.

>>5861667
There is this Doom WAD with this vaporwave-esque aesthetic and the enemies tend to look like geometric shapes. In addition, the weapons are replaced with psi-esque techniques that make musical sounds. It was kind of trippy when I first saw it on Youtube.

>>5862906
Could still be some engine changes having an effect. Slightly randomized damage or something like that. Different movement. Bit unlikely but whatever.

>>5862950
Thanks for the crit anon. Yeah to be desu honest I was mostly just fiddling around with this but somewhat basing it off of what >>5862785 said albiet with some more than slight liberties. I might revisit this at some point but thanks again for the criticism, greatly appreciate it!

>>5862964
Both of these (You)s went to me by the way, Half-Life is to me what Doom is to the rest of the thread here.
One last tip is that you should probably get the feeling right with grunts and shotguns, have grunts be about as resilient as chaingunners, high enough to survive a single shotgun blast, but a double one should kill them even if they're bodyshots or if some pellets miss, like make 9 or 10 pellets kill them, so 6 don't but 2x6 do.

>>5862906
There might be some in-coded multipliers attached.
Test how many shots it takes to kill a soldier on both versions with pistol/smg to the body area.

I don't understand the deal with Doom 4 Vanilla's "Map07 fix" issue. Do I need anything in the MAP07fix folder that comes with the .rar file? Or do I just need D4V.wad and D4V.deh for the game to work? Or do I even need D4V.deh?

I've sat here for several hours playing nothing even though I actually have some freetime for once because I'm indecisive on what to play.

>>5862983
Map07 fix isa for wads that use Tag 666 and 667 to advance on map 7.
Originally those are tied to mancubi and arachnatrons both of which are altered in D4V.
The map 07 that use those tags must be altered to place tag 666 and 667 switches instead of them being tied to monsters that don't exist anymore.

>>5862985
I order you to download the latest release for HD and play through vanilla Doom II with it, if a map is impossible savescum until you beat it.

>>5862985
Have a nap

>>5862987
So do I need to keep any of the files in that folder or not?

>>5862917
Ashes 2063. Followed by Hellforged.

>>5863003
if you want to play the wads they are for, with D4V then yes

Has there been any attempt to recreate the levels of DOOM 2016 into the old Doom engine? Obviously major compromises would have to be made, but I'd still LOVE to see them redone "demake" style.

https://youtu.be/zlm-Jt0sY7c

>>5862917
Adventures of Square, because that's the only one I finished

>>5862917
doom 2

what's the best difficulty to play blood on? it's kinda difficulty on lightly broiled

WHO IS THE DEGENERATE THAT MAKE THIS AWFUL COMMENT!!??!?!!??!

>>5863050
Well Done is HARD. Extra Crispy is downright unreasonable. Anything below that is still going to be hard, but will be much more manageable.

Anyone else really autistic about using custom weapons because they want to get the "intended experience" of the map you're playing on?

>>5863051
Right now, you.

Finally finished Ancient Aliens on UV, pistol starting, blind, and without in-level saves.

What a journey that was. Would definitely recommend.

MAP23 (by Pinchy) and MAP28 (by Joshy) were the hardest in the WAD, at least for me. MAP29 ended up being sort of a push-over, despite having 900 enemies. I think my favorite maps, My favorite skillsaw maps were MAP08 and MAP16, probably.

Where do I go from here? Valiant? Eviternity? Vanguard? Lunatic? Also, I heard there's some WAD coming out soon with the textures from Ancient Ayys, how's that project called?

>>5863089
Seemingly had a stroke and rewrote the favorite maps bit. Oh well. You guys get it.

>only pick up one silver key
>somehow able to leave two of them in locks and still have a third in my inventory
what's the deeaaaaaaaall with that??

I want to play some custom wads (like aa) but I must finish doom 2 first, final doom and the master levels
I, for the love of god, can't just fucking finish doom 2

>>5863101
ancient chinese secret

>>5863036
good joke, but it doesn't even work because 95% of its assets are still from Doom 1.

>>5863102
>Master Levels
But why, why would you do this
There's like...one or two good maps in that 21 map list. Tops.
>TNT
I would pass on this one too.

There, now you only have Doom 2 and Plutonia to beat before you can gorge yourself on PWADs

>>5863102
AA is going to destroy you

>>5863083
Fuck off you fag.

>>5863110
But he will rise from the ashes as a beautiful alien
For real though I think it was an essential step in my journey to git gud >>5863089

>>5863103
Saying that every time the player finds a secret area is probably the funniest thing in the entire game.

>>5863113
Nah.

>>5863110
I was not referring to the difficulty, I just can not enjoy the game from dead simple onwards

>>5863118
So drop it. You're not missing much.

>>5863117
I’d said fuck off!

>>5863180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkGtZQ_jVBc

You would not believe the amount of time it took me to find that fucking ladder in stage 8 of Shadow Warrior.

>>5861772
It's just as frustrating having to redo all your playtesting just to make sure nothing new broke in that version you were just about to release.

>>5862818
It's a Winchester 1300 Defender.

What ever happened to doom legacy ?

just tried vanilla essence and it's pretty good, I wish there was a way to fix the HUD though

>>5863292
I didnt expect the screenshot to look like it was made for ants, sorry about that

>>5863287
It's still around.

>>5863287
Like 20 years ago was my port of choice but after version 144 or so it went into a wrong direction IMO

>>5863304
No matter. Gimme a hug, man.

Does GZDoom have a function/CVAR to show alive enemies in a map, like PRBoom+ can?

It's really annoying when you want to get 100% kills and can't figure out where the last few buggers are hiding.

What's everyones favorite maps? Looking for inspiration.

>>5863397
barrels o fun

>>5863397
Ancient Aliens
BTSX E1&E2
Eviternity
Struggle
Valiant

>>5863414
>Struggle
dont think i've seen that one.
still need to play eviternity too actually.

>>5863434
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/strg
It's pretty neat. Includes custom weapons and monsters.

>>5863437
I'll check it out.

>>5863356
IIRC it's "list monsters" or something like that, it will give you a list of coordinates

>>5863356
am_cheat 2 and enable animated sprites in automap options
then look through the map

>Most Eviternity maps have par times below 5 minutes, with a few between 5-15 minutes.
>Map19 has a par time of 39 minutes
>Map32 has a par time of 40 minutes

I can forgive Map32, because its the super secret level (also helps that it's actually fun). But Map19 just ruins the pacing of the megawad. It looks nice, but the gameplay is just yawn inducing which makes the length even more apparent. I'm honestly baffled that Dragonfly approved a map of this size from one of the guest mappers.

I've been away from my computer since july 11th, have any good wads/mods come out in that time? is HUH out yet?

>>5863101
You sure it's not a stack of keys where you can't see the other keys because it's a sprite?

>>5861720
>Start a map
>Monster count is low
>But more monsters spawn in throughout the level and add to the counter until by the end of the level there's 10x what it started with.

>>5863103
which they taught to the nazis almost 12 thousand years ago.

did someone say aliens?

Quake2 is pretty much fully 3D version of Eradicator with AngelDevoid-ish designs. Funny it's orange, both the games I've mentioned are pretty much all shades of blue. You know, orange being the opposite of blue?
You know, come to think of it, Quake2 is ANYTHING WHATSOEVER but blue. Completely coincidentally, I am sure.

I wonder what Call of Doom was put together from.

>>5863525
I fucking hated map32, very impressive but boring af. And it's not so super secret, if you want to play Skillsaw's brilliant map31 ypu get sent to 32. Yeah you can skip maps, still would be better if 31 had 2 exits.

>>5863089
nice. this wad is too hard for me.

how the fuck have i never heard about eviternity before

are there any mods that reduce the intensity of the arch vile's flame, visually? i hate how i cant see anything

>>5862712
>Aside from it doing things that would have been impossible in the real Build Engine

it is the "real build engine"

>>5862712
Rly? I thought the leveldesign early on was terrible. Scatterbrained hodj podj.

>finally get to see Doom 4's multiplayer weapons thanks to D4T
>they're all lame

Do most people check the boxes on the right, or leave them blank?

>>5863780
I think dynamic lights look out of place, so I keep them off.

>>5863780
Haven't used that launcher in forever.

>>5863780
I use lights.pk3 and brightmaps.pk3
I don't use Windows but I include them in my load order.

>>5862163
Runs fine on LZdoom

>>5863780
>disable autoload
What does that mean

>>5863840
I would guess "ignore the mods I have on autoload in gzdoom.ini"

Beautiful

PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME FIND THE NAME OF THE SONG THAT PLAYS ON THE MAP ZE30 : "Laser research lab" by Guardsoul IN ZOMBIE HORDE WAD.
I TRIED TO GOOGLE IT AND EVEN USING MUSIC SEARCH SERVICES BUT I FOUND NOTHING
I BEG YOU GUYS HELP ME!!!!

>>5863356
Use alternate hud, show enemy count

>>5863891
Anon...
Please re-read the question and try again

>>5863896
Oh sorry I get it, he doesn't want to search for monsters

>>5863840
I was wondering that, I found out though that it stops the autoload

What are the most memorable maps from E2 and E3? I feel weird how I have a hard time really remembering them until I play the original again. A lot of them don’t seem to stand out to me.

Hey friends, I have a youtube channel where I play through all of the latest custom Quake maps. I'm playing through HUH and posting each map as I get through them with commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAuzypY35_I

>>5861667
Is there any good mech games (or mods) on I'd tech 1 or the build engine? Or should I stick with something like Shogo

>>5863917
nice facial hair

>>5863914
Mt. Erebus

>>5863914
I'd probably say Containment Area and Mt Erebus.

>>5863974
actually scratch that I might nominate Halls of the Damned for E2 instead.

If I remember right, archvile's blast does like 20 damage hit with 80 splash damage, right? Can that splash damage cause the archvile to kill something other than its target? Maybe even itself?

>>5863984
Yes.

>>5863984

>>5863985
>>5864006
Damn, that's really interesting. Doubt there's any practical use for it, though.

Is no end in sight worth a play through?

>>5863509
Is it possible to still draw a direction arrow on top of the Doomguy sprite to show where you're facing in the automap, when animtated sprites are enabled?

As it stands right now I have no way of knowing which way I'm facing with those on. I'd have to enable rotating automap as a workaround

>>5864008
Infighting is a significant part of the strategy in Doom. Two monsters fighting each other is two less monsters fighting you.

>>5863923
Only one I can think of is Mechatron but IIRC there was a Macross/Robotech TC for EDGE i think.

>>5864036
But no one ever is going to return fire to the archvile, and the odds of it killing itself or someone else are astronomically low.

>>5864050
>or someone else
To clarify, I mean "killing someone else other than the one it targeted" here. I know archviles love to infight.

Is there a way to make GZDoom's default difficulty be Ultra-Violence instead of Hurt Me Plenty?

I know it's a small complaint, but I wish I could just start maps spamming enter, insetad of having to make sure I'm selecting UV and not HMP.

>>5864048
What's Mechatron? I can't find it anywhere

For me it’s Deus Vult

>>5864008
Decino managed to get an Archvile to suicide in his video today.

>>5863186
Ok, you got me.

>>5864108
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/combos/mtron

>>5864250
Thank you!

>>5863923
> shogo
> mech game
weeb mech games are always just games of any other genre with the characters replaced by robots and the backgrounds sized down

Is doom the way id did - lost episodes better than the original?

>>5864293
Sure you could argue that but there is some defining characteristics mainly like movement and weapons. You can really just say something like Armoured Core is a third person shooter if you want but you know it has more then just that

what doom .wads are quake based?
I don't want to do a single constructive thing today

Really wish someone took D4Tse and reworked the additional weapons so they work better as SP weapons.

>>5861924
I do that with everything save for the smaller pickups

I also finish monsters with the chaingun, chainsaw or even punches when the designated amount of a stronger gun doesn't kill them. For example, if a baron doesn't die with 5 ssg blasts, finish him with the chainsaw. Mancubus with 3 ssg blasts. Cacodemon with 2, etc...

I am. The shadow warrior.

>>5864321
Dimension of the Boomed

>>5864340
It is natural to die.

I am really enjoying "Evolution of the WAD", the podcast by Capn & co. Are the original Dime ones saved anywhere? It seems like the twitch VODs are too old.

Also, any other recommended Doom related podcasts? They're comfy and informative

>>5864193
>>5863984
On Decino's video "impossible Doom challenges", there was footage of a TAS demo where an archvile blasted doomguy right into the Icon Of Sin hole, and then killed Romero's head with the flame's splash damage. Pretty insane.

What is the easiest way to make an enemy attack a barrel, so other enemies attack them when you blow it up? Do you just have to place the barrel between you and the enemy and hope for the best?

>>5862917
rekkr

>>5862818
Winchester. The very gun in that picture even.

>>5862870
Is it possible to make one which just gives the SMG the same damage and spread as the pistol, and maybe tightening the spread on the shotgun primary fire a bit?

>>5864373
>like 8 hours or something
Is it really worth it?

>>5864480
If you're a Doom nerd, sure, why not. You can just listen to it in the background for the most part. I only actively look at it when they want to talk about a specific thing happening on screen

>>5863356
Yes. Also some huds will display it for you, depending on how you configure it, like NC HUD

>>5864473
Yeah, but the spread values are in the source code, rather than the CFG itself.

>>5864473
yes but for that i'd have to dig through the code to find where that stuff is defined at and then build a new dll and it doesn't bother me enough to go to that much trouble

Fuck you, Sandy Petersen.

>>5864506
??????????????????????????????
Rude

>>5864506
Did anyone ever do that "Doom the way Sandy Did" project where everything is psychedelic and abstract as fuck? I want it.

>Icarus shitting on D4V for being boring
>The comments agree and are on a similar vein of "just play D4T lol"
Wew lad.

>>5864514
Wasn't Sandy literally just an ideas guy that couldn't even code? And in terms of maps his ideas were generally pretty bad.

>>5864526
No. Go listen to Evolution of the WAD and educate yourself instead of spouting ignorant things.

>>5864528
Fuck you Sandy.

>>5864517
I'd want that too.
We'd need a couple of unfinished Doom The Way Tom Hall Did It levels to transform to Sandy ones.

>>5864529
I like his work and his approach, I just wish he wasn't a Mormon, they're the even crazier christians. I congratulate him on not letting that influence his work though and just going nuts with the Lovecraftian and D&D stuff.

>>5864525
D4T is pretty damn good though. Honestly feel better than the actual Doom 4

>>5864534
Also lmao I posted the wrong image

>>5864537
They're completely different projects with different goals. Icarus was basically ripping D4V for not being D4T. It was extremely fucking dumb.

Icarus is a hack that only likes bombastic over the top mods for GZDoom. Anything more subtle than that, it just flies under his radar.

>>5864541
Oh yeah of course that's dumb.

>>5864534
>caring about someone's religion when they don't shove it in your face or let it influence their work in extremely non-subtle ways
Why? What does him being a mormon have to do with anything? It sounds like you're just uncomfortable with people who don't agree with you.

>>5864525
>>5864541
>mfw he called DECORATE the most recent hotness in doom modding
>ZScript not even mentioned

ayyyylmao

>>5864549
Because the mormons I've met have some real whack/creepy traditions and treat their women pretty shitty. I usually don't care about someone's religion unless they shove it in your face, like you say. But with certain ones like mormonism, they're just sort of fanatical by nature. You don't have mildly vague mormons as you can have mildly vague catholics, mildly vague jews, or mildly vague muslims. It kind of is part of the deal that if you're a mormon you're going all in.

But whatever, that's not doom related, that's just my hot onion

>>5864553
>treat their women pretty shitty

>>5864553
>Because the mormons I've met have some real whack/creepy traditions and treat their women pretty shitty.
Have you met Sandy Peterson? Have you seen him treat his wife badly? What part of his supposed "whack/creeepy traditions" do you object to?
>But with certain ones like mormonism, they're just sort of fanatical by nature
Absolutely 100% false, literal /r/atheism tier bullshit. Also I'm pretty sure if I said this exact same thing about Muslims my house would be firebombed by angry twitter warriors claiming that I'm an intolerant bigot, but you know it's okay if it's against white people right?
Grow the fuck up.

doom and retro fps in general are for casuals.

>>5864550
Decorate is older than some of his audience even.

>>5864561
thats why you play Marathon

>>5864560
t. mormon anon

>>5864567
I'm actually an atheist myself, if you can believe it. I'm just not an intolerant asshole. I regularly associate and even talk religion with people who range from literal Imams to casual jehovah's witnesses (yes they exist). Only a fucking idiot thinks that someone's religion should be a limiting factor in whether or not they're worth associating with.

>>5864561
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what is your rationale? I'm legit curious and not just asking so I can respond UR WRONG to everything.

>>5864572
>to casual jehovah's witnesses (yes they exist)
I got a Jehovah's witness on my front door the other day. Pretty interesting stuff lmao. I'm still an athiest, but I can enjoy this kind of thing.

>>5864561
That's why you belong here.

>>5864572
good for you? I don't really care to make friends with Scientologists either

as long as I don't deem them too cooky I'll relate to them - there are some sects of many religions that I consider too cooky to associate with, specially since many of them would think I deserve hell

>>5864553
Dont care

>>5864578
*Jehovah's witness flyer on

>>5864573
RPGs are better.

>>5864578
I'd say about 50% are pretty cool to talk to about religion, and most are just regular people outside that. Can't say I find their faith particularly compelling but whatever.
>>5864580
>many of them would think I deserve hell
There you go making assumptions about groups of people you've never interacted with again. Go the fuck outside once in a while.

>>5864590
Do you seriously think that Imam or those Jehovah's Witnesses you regularly talk to don't think you're going to burn in hell if you don't convert

Many likely won't have the balls to admit it to your face. And those who genuinely don't think you're going to suffer forever when you die have a serious cognitive dissonance, because that goes against what their religion teaches, even though they know you're a decent person that doesn't deserve that

But whatever dude, this isn't really a topic for here

>>5864572
Yeah. I'm an agnostic and I like mormons, they're (mostly) nice people.

>>5864597
>Do you seriously think that Imam or those Jehovah's Witnesses you regularly talk to don't think you're going to burn in hell if you don't convert
I don't care if they believe that, they're kind people and they treat everyone with respect. They never throw their religion in my face on topics like that because I treat them with equal respect. Also Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell.
>Many likely won't have the balls to admit it to your face
There you go making assumptions again.
>And those who genuinely don't think you're going to suffer forever when you die have a serious cognitive dissonance
See above
>that goes against what their religion teaches
As though anyone with faith is incapable of thinking or presuming a level of spiritual nuance exists.
>But whatever dude, this isn't really a topic for here
Then maybe you shouldn't have randomly started shittalking mormons and then generally showing yourself to be a fucking retard.
>>5864603
Honestly there was a mostly-mormon study group when I was in college and they were great. Very willing to help out, I stopped by many times with physics and calculus work.

>>5864603
I'm an atheist and this is my experience as well.

I like Hindus

>>5863816
I can't notice brightmaps.pk3 changing anything, even in IWADS. Am I blind or is it subtle or something?

>>5864605
>I don't care if they believe I'm going to suffer forever, they treat everyone well

That's where we have our disagreement, anon. I can't dismiss someone who thinks I deserve eternal suffering as just having a different opinion than me. They fundamentally think I deserve hell because of who I am. If you're ever curious, ask them yourself. The nicer ones will try to wiggle their way out of saying it bluntly, the honest ones will flat out say it. The ones that haven't thought these things through will just handwave it as "my god will make a special case for you because i like you"

>>5864618
Great, so you admit that you're completely intolerant of other people based on immaterial thoughts that do not translate into real world actions. I look forward to your participation in the precrime program that will be opening in a police state near you.
>They fundamentally think I deserve hell because of who I am
>"ABLOOBLOO TWITTER TOLD ME THEY HATE ME BECAUSE I'M GAY"
I guarantee that you have never, in your whole life, met more than a handful of religious people. The entire rest of your post is a victimhood fantasy that has no basis in reality unless you're legitimately living somewhere where ISIS or the Taliban operates.

>>5864621
>I guarantee that you have never, in your whole life, met more than a handful of religious people
Anon, my whole family+extended family is soaked in the church

>>5864628
Oh boy the classic "My family hates me because I'm gay" routine. Yeah alright bud, sure. I'm sure their reaction has nothing to do with your incredibly obvious disdain for their whole way of life or anything. Unless you're living in the asscrack of nowhere deep south or literally under ISIS/Taliban rule you are exaggerating or deliberately misrepresenting something. Even if your family are pricks, it's not because they're religious, it's because they're just fucking pricks. Like you, actually.
You are no different than the people who are racially biased because part of their family are black and they don't get along, or the people who hate gays because pride parades exist. You're just a more socially acceptable flavor of intolerance.

>>5864638
Anon please calm down, I'm not even gay, stop coming onto me

>>5864639
Thanks for admitting that you're out of bullshit to spew. Have a nice day, I hope you get that high school diploma.

>>5864647
Thank you anon
What was the last WAD you enjoyed

>>5864649
ObAddon's generated wads are very nice but require a ton of tweaking to not be a total mess.

>>5864616
It's subtle. Make sure you have Dynamic Lights turned on in the menu.

If it's working, you should see eyes of demons glowing in dark sectors, instead of pure black

There's also this project
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=64299
Which is specifically designed to be compatible with these sprite fixes
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/62403-doom-2-minor-sprite-fixing-project-v19-release-updated-12718/

>>5864618
>I can't dismiss someone who thinks I deserve eternal suffering
They don't necessarily think that you DESERVE eternal suffering, just that you will undergo it if you remain a non-believer.

>>5864660
Oh okay I'm fine with that actually :^)

Just drop it please, talk about WADs

>>5864348
is it the only one?

Anyone know any monster mods that matches well with final doomer?

>>5864682
Legion of Bones.

>>5864682
https://files.catbox.moe/8cc2eq.pk3
This was posted a super long time ago and never talked about after. Had a few bits that didn't need to be there so I cut them out myself.

>>5864678
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/p-r/rtctrl
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/v-z/zaero
Both found within less than a minute of googling.

>>5864565
Was mouse aiming ever fixed for aleph one?

>>5864616
i feel dumb for asking, but what exactly is the difference between lights and brightmaps

>>5864693
in beta only, waiting for a stable release before I nuke and pave my entire series install
https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone/releases

Speaking of Petersen, anyone else think his maps for Inferno were way better than his doom 2 maps? I wonder why that is. Stuff like Slough of Despair, Mt. Erebus and Unholy Cathedral were cooler than anything in Doom 2

>>5864691
This happens as soon as the first enemy tries to shoot at me.

>>5864736
I dunno man it was probably intended for GZDoom 3.0ish, is that on a new one? I even stopped updating after 3.6.0 because of performance issues.

>>5864736
Oh wait, I edited the original to remove a thing that I thought didn't do anything but I might have broken it by accident on the default settings.
Let me just change it back and re-upload it.

>>5864736
>>5864741
>>5864743
I'm dumb and probably should edit things. Here, this one should work. https://files.catbox.moe/qzoq2s.pk3

Is Doomguy left-handed?
I ask since he holds his pistol and punches with his left hand.

>>5864753
He operates the shotguns right handed tho.
He's probably ambi.

coom.wad when?

>>5864750
So, what is that? What does it do?

>>5864565
>shit controls
>shit fov
>shit enemy design
>shit level design
Terminals, physics, and friendlies were pretty kickass, though.

>>5864780
the first two can be fixed really easy, the last two are a matter of taste.

>>5864779
Some guy months ago asked for Project Babel's monsters on their own and the dev ripped them super quick into their own PK3. It's sort of like a extra monster AI pack. They have new behaviors and stuff from the mod but it's just the monsters so you can throw a weapon pack on top. Decent fun but difficulty can vary wildly if you use an overpowered weapon set.

>>5864786
Nice.

Ok, I am kind of new to playing a lot of wads, and I really suck at this, but: how on earth do you dodge revenant fireballs effectively? It seems like they always perfectly home in one me, even if I try to run or circle away. Is there a trick to dodging them well? I feel like Im missing something really obvious but I can just never seem to avoid them

>>5864782
While I agree with most of your points, the fact that game sort of throws palette swaps at you is pretty disappointing.

>>5864797
They have a wide turn radius. Steer them into a wall.

>>5864797
i usually try to get another monster in the way of it or duck around a sharp corner quickly

>>5864565
does ZPC work in Aleph One?
>>5864693
in what way is it broken, i'm playing Marathon and aside from low sensitivity it feels fine to me

>>5864797
Strafe past them then hug a wall so that they circle into it.

>>5864797
First, they take quite a while to turn. Doing a u-turn near a wall can make them ram into it. Or you can pull off a meme an make it run circles around you, never getting closer to hitting you.
Second, they're shit at changing altitude, unless launched from a height, so you can lead them into small changes of elevation. Which is mostly useful for wide open slaughtermaps.

>>5864809
ZPC does not work, unfortunately. I think its because Aleph One expects the shapes file to only have a max of like 64 different collections, but Damage Inc has like 256 collections, and ZPC and that other game are all based on Damage Inc.

>>5864697
Thank you

I think Doom 2 is the best FPS ever made in terms of simply having fun while playing, but I still have some issues with it, and the biggest one is that you're faster than everything else, so the mappers are forced to close you in with monsters or you'll just run away and shoot everything from a safe distance. That's why I liked Eviternity's Astral Cacodemons and I'd love something like Quake's Fiends in Doom, hell, even Spawns wouldn't be so bad. Is there any Doom WAD that adds monsters that aren't slow as shit compared to the player?

>>5864797
The turn is somewhat slow, if you see a skelly about to fire, try to get behind something, then the rocket may strike that instead (ideally, make him hit another monster).
Cover is more useful than you'd think in Doom, don't be afraid to use it every now and then.
Eventually you'll get used to the speed and turning of his rockets, you get a feel for them, and you'll find that you can even start circling the rocket, even goad it into a wall or other enemy with enough space to move.

Also, if you close the distance, he will stop trying to shoot because he wants to try punching you, and if you can get that close while staying out of his knuckle radius, you can be relatively safe.

>>5864828
Doom II is just Doom I but with a couple new things.

>>5864828
Ever tried playing with Fast Monsters on? Pinkies get fast as shit on that setting.

>>5863118
just watch someone else play it then

>>5864831
Doom 2 takes Doom 1's decent bestiary and completes it with the addition of a couple of new kinds of monsters, making it a great bestiary, which has been a veritable goldmine for community map makers for the past two decades.

>>5864828
>even Spawns wouldn't be so bad
kill yourself

>>5864839
Why has no one else been able to get the basics down as good as Doom 2 from 94? Enemy variety, map variety, perfect weapon balance, etc. It's been 25 years already.

>>5863914
i remember every single one of them

>>5864841
yeah but doom doesn't have a story
or a protagonist

>>5864841
I mean it's a matter of what you want to do for your game.
Doom's bestiary doesn't fit Quake's gameplay, and vice versa, games like Half-Life, Blood, and Duke-Nukem 3D all do enemies in a sort of different manner from Doom's.

Doom's bestiary is perfect for the exact kind of gameplay it goes for.

>>5863914
the hand one

>>5864847
>this is what (((modern devs))) actually believe

>>5863914
I remember all of them.

>>5864585
i hope you mean western RPGs

>>5864854
all RPGs are SHIT

>>5864858
but some are more shit than others

>>5864801
>>5864803
>>5864813
>>5864816
>>5864830
Thanks for the tips. So it seems like generally the best strategy is to steer the rockets into a wall, since the rockets are slow to turn. Sort of similar to how you need cover to avoid the arch vile flames. Lots of wads with high monster counts and even some official maps always try to throw a lot of revanants at once and it always makes me shit my pants. They're the main enemies that have made slaughter levels feel like total non starters for me.

>>5864839
Do people really like Doom 2's bestiary that much? I always feel like it adds a lot of annoyance. When I played Sigil I found it amazingly refreshing that I didn't have to deal with Arch-Viles, Revanants, Chaingunners or Pain Elementals. They often tip the game from fun to tedious

>>5864682
DRLA Monsters by the same author. Slightly stronger than vanilla folks, which matches well with Final Doomer's weapons beign a bit OP too.
The only thing is 1000+ script warnings on startup which gives me anxiety.

>>5864920
Too many of Doom 1's monsters are samey. Aside from the bosses, anything bigger than a Pinkie is just a tanky Imp.

>>5864585
apples and oranges

>>5864920
I find Doom 1 wads being somewhat relaxing since dodge projectiles & hide from hitscans are the only two combat situations. D2's beastiary brings new challenges.
I only hate Revenants because how insonsistent they are, it's 50/50 *dodge and forget* or *dodge and watch out for it flying back*.

>>5864841
>perfect weapon balance
lmao

>>5864998
but that's accurate tho??

>>5865002
the fact that the bfg exists and uses only 40 out 600 ammo is a joke.

Man Doom 64 is amazing

>>5865009
The SSG is a far bigger issue.

>>5865098
the backpack was a mistake

Has Carmack ever explained why he programmed the BFG in such a weird arcane way? I think it's by far the most unintuitive weapon I've ever come across in any game, since.

Tracers farting out of the player in a 90 degree cone facing the direction you fired the gun, and only when the projectile hits something. That's fucking weird.

>>5865108
It's a way to do a wide area of effect weapon without occupying yourself or your processor with uneccessary things outside of your POV.
The original concept was that it would fire out a large stream of plasmaballs, which was too resource intensive at the time, and wasn't nearly as useful.

I don't think they quite envisioned the kind of advanced pro-strats people would employ with the thing for its unconventional behavior though.

>>5865108
How else would you make a room-clearer that doesn't harm the user?

>>5865121
Make a second type of explosion that doesn't harm the player, attach it to the BFG ball.

Are there any Doom wads/levels where secrets, instead of rewarding you with items, end up changing certain parts of the map?
Like, not just giving you shortcuts but changing rooms and certain paths, either making them easier or harder.

>>5865169
like star fox 64? that sounds awesome!

>>5864847
it kinda does
but it's basic, empty or even inconsistent enough since they never cared that much
now there's "lore" or some bullshit

>>5865106
> backpack
> a factor at all
really all it does is expedite playing through slaughter maps
and even then, the backtracking for more ammo can be removed with smarter ammo placement

>>5865108
>>5865121
granted, there is only so many ways to make a bfg that isnt an over glorified version of one of the holy Q3A weapons trinity

>>5865174
>point of reference is a soitendo game

>>5865181
>nintendo is the only one who does gaming correctly

>>5865190
>this is what nintenfats actually believe

>>5865193
>fat acceptance

>>5865181
>nintendo is more soi than Sony
FUCK NO! In case you haven't heard, Sony is forcing censorship on consoles of all regions when it comes to certain sensual themes for PS4 as of late! Oh, and Nintendo does the near exact opposite these days. They've changed regarding game content in games in their consoles since 1994-1995.
>muh Pokemon GO is bad
I can understand the criticisms of it here and there. But yeah, go ahead and spam bullshit about how Nintendo is a baby soi company becasue "/v/ told me to think that way!!!"
Sod off Sonytard

Which vanilla smooth weapons mod is most accurate? Played with Black Ops a bit, but lately noticed that it's plasma rifle shoots 3 round bursts. Others I know are vsmooth and boom_enhanced.

>>5865210
For PRBoom+, vsmooth is the one I know that keeps demo compatibility and doesn't mess with it at all.

For GZDoom, I use https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=32628