/vr/ - Retro Games

Comfy phantasia.

Dude, Tifa's right there

GBi

Famicom!

What's wrong with my lines bros? Just picked up this Trinitron and I've got weird wobbly lines everywhere. What setting in the service menu do I need to calibrate? Or is it just fucked

>>5855641
bro reduce brightness or contrast

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-14M2U-14-Trinitron-CRT-Professional-Video-Monitor-Retro-
Gaming-/293196523453

>final bid: over $350 for a 14" PVM
what the fuck is going on here.

>>5855675
lel, got mine for 50$

More swiggliness for reference

Have a chance to pick up this tv today but the owner has it in a dirty storage unit. Should I be afraid of bugs living inside it?

>>5855641
I can't really tell from your picture. Are you having the problem where horizontal scrolling makes it look like the picture is warping and stretching?
That's a problem I had with the 24" trinitron I picked up from the curb in college. Kept fiddling around with the service menu and such, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the slight warping to go away. It's not really that big of a deal, but I couldn't fix it. Potentially a capacitor issue, I think, but it's just not worth it to go around replacing caps on a consumer set like that.

>>5855678
I got my 20" sony PVM for 60 and just recently picked up a panasonic pro monitor for 100, both including shipping. I know prices have inflated over the last couple years, but I don't understand paying 350 for a 14 incher unless it's a BVM or a multiformat or something. Even the Buy-It-Nows are cheaper than that.

>>5855679
Is it a standing squiggly or does it move during a static image?

>>5855681
Idk. Do you live in a place where you have bugs that live in things like that?
Anon got one of those a while back I think. Don't open and close it too often unless you want to replace the speaker wires.

>>5855681
Depends on whether or not the seller is mexican or not. Every time I've bought consoles or other electronics from mexicans at the flea market, I've opened them up and they've been completed covered in so many roach casings that it looks like the xenomorph hive from Aliens.

>>5855682
Nah no warping or stretching effect luckily. It's really only present on things like menu's and HUDs

>>5855683
It's a standing squiggly

>>5855720
Or rather, most noticeable

>>5855681
the gamer tv

>>5855720
Okay, that's probably not too bad then, and something you can fix by fiddling with the service menu. I cant remember the exact service menu settings, but just open it up and fiddle around with them. Just write down the current numbers in case you need to revert changes, and also keep in mind the TV won't save your settings unless you do the WRITE command. Otherwise the setrings will reset next time you unplug the TV.

You can find service manuals online that should give you the info you need. Also with some googling you'll find forum posts where people better explain what all the service menu functions do. Best of luck, I think it should be a fairly easy problem to fix. Just takes some patience

>>5855825
Thanks for the advice, mate. I've been fiddling with the service menu for a while but nothing seems to change the slanted straight lines. I guess I'll hit up some forums

>>5855838
I think a combination of the pincushion options and vbow might fix it. Also also fiddling with how much of the screen is in the overscan

Damn it feels good to play as the devs intended. Also, four for four on the special stages so far let’s get these emeralds boys.

>>5855870
Kill yourself.

>>5855872
Seething flatscreen zoomer

>>5855872

a setup that is better than actual hardware to play NES and SNES
>31Khz VGA monitor
>old laptop or desktop with at least i5 processor
>Retroarch (Nestopia and BSNES balanced or accurate)
>X-less Linux KMS
>1920x240 compiled EDID binary

why arent more people doing this? input latency is better than actual hardware
the thick scanlines of the 240p VGA monitor is more aesthetically pleasing than a PVM

>>5855897
Looks like hot garbo.

>>5855897

Whenever I calibrate my brightness properly I can't see shit in 3D games. I've always upped the brightness on the monitor to compensate, but only just now I've realized that's why you adjust in-game brightness if things are too dark. Is this the correct way to do it?

>>5855897
>input latency is better than actual hardware
kek

>top: sanic 1 on android tv box, 1080p (not emulated but the taxman port)
>bottom: sonic 1 on mega drive II via rgb scart, 60hz modded
Personally I like bottom more because there is no ghosting or blur, but the taxman ports larger FoV is very nice and so are the smooth special stages.

>>5855887
What did sega mean by this?

>>5855925
What are you calibrating with? The problem I've always had is that I use 240p test suite on my super everdrive, but apparently SNES's output is far brighter than other systems. So if I use the test pattern to make sure things look good on SNES, it ends up being too dark for everything else.

Ultimately just do whatever looks best to your eye. If youre playing a game with a dark area and whats supposed to be blackness has a gray shade, then you know you need to turn the brightness doen

>>5855897
Scanlines are too thick

Where can I find a complete game dump for GDEMU?

>>5855956
For consoles 240p test suite on Wii.
For PC monitors NEC test suite.

Specifically talking about PC games. I'm gonna have to compare my old way of doing things versus my new way. Without adjusting ingame brightness I'd have to turn up monitor brightness until I was getting this bloom effect to be able to see. Turning up ingame brightness removed this issue.

>>5855925
Define properly. For 240p test suite if you aim for the middle bar disappearing that's setting up for NTSC US standards, which is wrong for most consoles, which usually follow NTSC J black level even when released in US. Set brightness so black just disappears, disregard the PLUGE

Got em

so ive tried a ton of different coax and aerial inputs on my crt, but i cant seem to figure out what sort of "video in" this connection is, would love all the help you anons could provide as im at a loss for where to look beyond purchasing a repair manual for my specific model of crt (SHARP cv3709h)
any and all help offered would be amazing, as I really hope to get to using CRTs over flatscreen displays real soon.

>>5856101
It's probably a composite input via BNC. Since I'm assuming you're Italian, you should be able to find a set with SCART, which would be a definite upgrade.

>>5856140
nope, from bongland, just recently copped it though, and it does have the power plug switched for a british one, so it would bloody well explain why i can find 0 fucking information on this set on english sites. Genuinely though thank you for telling me the BNC input though anon, genuine have been looking all week for *any* lead in regards to the input type or a free service/user manual online for the set itself, you've actually helped me a ton more than i think you even realise.

>>5855681
I always considered this thing pointless, but I can see how it could be seen as collectable period kitsch now.

>>5855997
Post an example of US black level being incorrect.

>>5855897
it looks like shit running in 240p. you should run it in 1600x1200 with a shader instead.

>>5855897
You have a guide on this? I'd like to try it out.

>>5856219
on Arch linux
getting 1920x240@120 on your VGA CRT in kernel space
you need the linux-docs package
>sudo pacman -S linux-docs
now go to this directory
>cd /usr/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/Documentation/EDID/
follow the instructions in the HOWTO.txt
>less HOWTO.txt
basically, you need to copy one of the .S files to use as a template for the 240p EDID
>sudo cp 1024x768.S 1920x240.S
text edit your new file 1920x240.S with the right information
>sudo vim 1920x240.S
>sudo emacs 1920x240.S
>sudo nano 1920×240.S
w-what information??
you get it with the cvt command
>cvt 1920 240 120
put the numbers from the command's output in the right place of the 1920x240.S file
to know which number goes where, read the HOWTO.txt and this link
>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97023/how-to-make-edid
after editing, run make in the directory
>sudo make
keep running make until you see the 1920x240.bin file
>sudo make
>sudo make
>sudo make
>ls 1920x240.bin
move the 1920x240.bin file to this new directory
>sudo mkdir -p /lib/firmware/edid
>sudo mv 1920x240.bin /lib/firmware/edid
you can do 240p now without Xorg but you have to let your bootloader know through kernel parameters (every reboot) or through your bootloader's config file
read this for help
>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_parameters
now your CRT boots up with 1920x240 at 120 hz
start retroarch in the linux virtual console (not inside your DE or WM)
>retroarch
if the content on the display looks squeezed in and narrow, you need to edit retroarch.cfg
>emacs ~/.config/retroarch/retroarch.cfg
>vim ~/.config/retroarch/retroarch.cfg
>nano ~/.config/retroarch/retroarch.cfg
change these two lines
>crt_switch_resolution
>crt_switch_resolution_super
set them both as "1920"
also enable integer scaling, disable the filter, and other stuff for your needs

>>5856282
based

>>5856219
feel free to ask any questions fren

>>5855997
Is NTSC-J gamma closer to PC gamma?

First crt just found it on the side of the road. Did I waste my time?

>>5856808
probably, but everybody starts somewhere.

>>5856812
Dang and I though it was a nice find, it had s-video and everything.

>>5856808
Back panel thingy.

>>5856821
s-video isn't something I'd expect to see on a set like that so that's pretty nice. but I wouldn't expect the greatest quality out of emerson. still, if it works and you like the look of it then who cares.

>>5856821
Plug it in and form your own opinion, Jethro

>>5856293
Hideous picture.

>>5856821
Clean it up and give it a try for fuck's sake

das it mayne

>>5856952

>>5855520
This >>>> "high resolution" CRTs

>>5855887
they started the meme

>>5856961
what's wrong?

>>5856854
it looks amazing anon stop lying to yourself

>>5855524
Cute but your TV has cancer or your photo is shit or both
>>5855641
Check your horizontal output transistor. Recap your PCB.
>>5855681
Always be worried. Crack it open outside before bringing it in.
>>5855897
Because emulators are objectively worse than actual hardware
>>5856101
That's BNC input.
Get a cheapo RCA -> BNC adapter. Radioshack and similar used to stock them. You can still get them online.
>>5856808
No, use that until you find a better one. It's a start.
>>5856952
too fuckin' sharp lines
>>5857080
That's cancer.

>>5857080
What size is that tri-dot? What model?
Beats a PVM/BVM but the scan lines are too far apart for my tastes still.
>gba
>retro
ehhhhhh

>>5856952
Tbh ive never seen the appeal of a crisper crt image like this as it just feels like an arkward inbetween of emulating on a lcd panel, or using standard video outputs on a consumer crt set, imo at least. just seems innacurate to how it would/should be displayed for me.
>>5857185
Thanks again for the BNC shout, im relatively new to this hobby and only know of the more common pal video input types, so running into that pn my first crt really threw me for a loop. you seem based and as though you know a lot for the hobby though, appreciate you sticking around and posting.

>>5855897
I like thicc scanlines and this looks like my BVM aside from the shadow mask.

>>5857221
>Tbh ive never seen the appeal of a crisper crt image like this as it just feels like an arkward inbetween of emulating on a lcd panel, or using standard video outputs on a consumer crt set, imo at least. just seems innacurate to how it would/should be displayed for me
Pictures can't do it justice. Its the best picture I've ever seen from my old games, and emulators with filters on LCD dont compare whatsoever.

But also I'm not claiming its the only way to do. I also have a 20" PVM, a 14" shadow mask monitor, and a 27" consumer trinitron I pair with a component transcoder. They all have different looks and I like them all. Having a BVM with razor sharp lines doesn't mean I can't enjoy my consumer set.

But I gotta say, having perfect geometry and convergence is amazing.

>>5857185
>"give him my autograph"
I'm curious what the original Japanese line is.

I got a 27'' panasonic with s-video. What's the best way to pipe in retroarch or even an snes classic edition? I'll eventually get real hardware but I want more options

>>5857529
for reference, my PC's motherboard has vga and dvi connectors

I'd like to hook a up CRT to my computer to play Space Station 13, but I get the feeling it's probably not worth the effort.

>>5857561
just get a pc CRT and hook it up via VGA, also based, what server you on normally? inb4 citadel.

>>5857594
My GPU doesn't have VGA out. I play on /tg/ Terry

>>5857532
I think people use Extron Emotias for downscaling VGA to 240p, but I don't know anything more about that.

>>5857221
>you seem based and as though you know a lot for the hobby though, appreciate you sticking around and posting.
Thanks.
>>5857527
Good question. I don't trust localizations, especially Square ones.
>>5857443
You can get perfect geometry and convergence on any number of nice monitors. You don't need to go full retard.
If you got it for a good price, though, good job.
>>5857529
Wii + Retroarch
You're welcome.

>>5857656
If FF7 didn't have so goddamn much text and I were just a little more dedicated I'd dig through disc 2 and find out.
(I was playing disc 2).

>>5857607
if you don't plan on pushing high refresh rates and resolutions then a tendak or portta converter works fine. I remember one has an issue with black crush though, so do your research first.

>>5856180
No one is going to be able to do this because it's incorrect. Often the opposite is true. For example, MGS has a grayscale for calibration and shows black level at being 16 RGB, which is the US standard.

>>5857656
>You don't need to go full retard. If you got it for a good price, though, good job.
I did. Cool local guy had a bunch and was offering for a good price. Things fucking mint too.
I would never pay ebay prices for PVMs, much less BVMs though. I just got lucky.

>>5857681
16 RGB isn't US standard. 7.5 IRE is, which does not directly correlate to an arbitrary scale of values that could be at any given precision.

That said, consoles do fudge the "black level" issue.
There's a nice list of NES games that use $0D, which is "blacker than black" on non-japanese NTSC TV's.
>>5856180
https://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/Color_$0D_games
>>5855997
>disregard PLUGE, set it so black disappears
Yep, you basically have to do this for older consoles unfortunately. And newer ones - the Wii, for instance.

>>5857707
So what's the best way to calibrate brightness/contrast if we cannot trust the pluge on the SMPTE screen?

Also, what exactly does 7.5 IRE mean and what's the difference between that and 0?

>>5857702
>I just got lucky
In that case, good for you. I have a similar story.
I prefer my smaller tri-dot sets to my 20L5, though. Partially because it's pretty worn out from use in a TV station for about a decade, and partially because games look too fucking crisp on the L5. I only use it for 480p, really, and I'm planning to make a "sync converter" for my Amiga monitor (Commodore 1942) so I can just use that for 240p/480p RGB as well.

Can't beat the L5 for playing Smash Bros. with friends, though. 14" is a little bit small for multiple people huddling around.

>>5857731
Yeah, too small for a gathering. I'm setting it up next to my desktop setup. Game room has the 27" consumer trinitron and the 20" PVM.

Overall I prefer aperture grille, but shadow mask has a different aesthetic that I still find cool as well. Only problem with my shadow mask monitor is that it's fairly barebones and doesn't do comb filtering for composite, so my NES looks like hot garbage on it. I really enjoy it for interlaced content especially though.

>>5857745
I actually think the best monitor I've seen for NES games is the Apple IIe composite monitor. Uses a "slot-type" shadow mask and a notch filter (I think it's a notch filter, anyway), but the dot pitch is nearly perfect for the NES.
This is an old "Free 20L5fag" (not me - mine was $120) pic but it accurately represents how good it can look.
I'd not use it for anything that outputs RGB natively, though.

>>5857758
That does look nice.
Still, at some point down the road I'd like to RGB mod my NES. I've done simpler mods like put together the components and solder an RGB amp circuit to my N64, recapped previously-broken consoles, as well as DIY'd cables and such. But I have no means of safely removing the NES's PPU. Maybe one of these days I'll get a desoldering pump.

Until then, it honestly still looks really good on a sharp monitor anyway.

>>5857185
>>5857527
>>5857656
YUFFIE
「ゆらさないでくれたら あとでYUFFIEちゃんがサインしたげるって伝えて……」

>>5857707
16 is the digital equivalent of 7.5 IRE.
>>5857718
The answer is not to go full autistic and worry about it. Japan used a different black level mainly for broadcasting, they still knew that US used a different black. You can really use either level as it’s only a matter of moving a few positions up on the brightness setting. But like mentioned earlier, most games took the US black level into consideration like MGS.

>>5857758
Also, you can adjust it with a dial on the back to view the overscan regions.
There's a single IC inside the monitor itself.
>>5857774
You're never going to get perfect colors if you do that. And it costs a lot.
I'd emulate a wii instead if I were you.
Really need to fix my desoldering vacuum. I've desoldered IC's without it but jesus christ it's annoying.
>>5857784
Doing the lord's work, anon.
>>5857793
>16 is the digital equivalent of 7.5 IRE.
Says who? On a scale of zero to what? Who decided that "16" is always exactly 53.57 millivolts on all consoles ever made?
I don't think you know what you're talking about.

>>5857807
emulate on a wii, I meant.

>>5857807
>You're never going to get perfect colors if you do that
Theres no perfect colors on Never The Same Color anyway. Plus you can select which palette you like on the RGB mod, no?
And yeah I can just use my wii, which I do. I just think it would be cool to have my original childhood nintendo outputting crisp RGB

>>5857821
Never The Same Color is mostly a meme based on the early days of analogue TV when clock drift was more of an issue.
And none of the palettes on the NESRGB are actually good. BMF Final V2 is the nicest I've seen.

>>5857821
>>5857824
By that I mean that there are three (IIRC) palettes hardcoded onto the NESRGB and none of them look like my NES and famicom over composite.

>>5857827
And sure if you want to you can reprogram the FPGA, but firebrandX is a faggot and his palettes still aren't good.

>>5857824
>>5857827
Fair enough. My point though is that nobody can seem to agree on what's "correct" for NES colors anyway. Like how nobody seems to definitely know whether the sky in SMB1 is blue or more of a purplish hue

And you can still run composite after installing the mod afaik. So worst case scenario you're out $100 if you find the color options totally unacceptable

>>5857838
IMO BMF final V2 is the closest we'll ever get. It's what my calibrated monitors all look like, roughly.
Then he had to go ruin it with v3 because he didn't think the picture was "bright" enough.
And $100 is a lot when you're at a university in America.
Still, if you have the means to reprogram it and you can write your own palette, it might be cool.

PSX really was terrible. I like it, but it's terrible.
GBC Harry Potter was the best version because it was an RPG.

>>5857942

>>5857838
You also have to remove the eject mechanism to fit it inside an original Famicom. Which is kind of lame. Not that there's really a better way with how cramped it is in there, but the original famicom is the cutest version of the platform.

Anyone know of a decent schematic for PS2 component cables. I can't seem to find a solid answer on whether I need capacitors/resistors on any of the lines. All the premade cables are either garbage or expensive, so I'd prefer to just make them myself from a spare AV port connector and my own wires. And that way no audio buzz problems either. And I'd also be able to wire out a separate composite cable so I can run RGBs 480i if I want

>>5857807
On a scale of 16-235. Otherwise known as limited range color. 0-255 is full range RGB. This is well documented.

>>5857758
that pic is doctored to hell and back lol

>>5857958
PS2 (and PS3) don't need anything on the lines, everything is already inside the console.

muh sekret club

>>5858028
Fantastic, thank you. That makes things a lot simpler

>>5858031
Nah, the real seekrit club is ikegami gang

>>5858037
the realest is Barco diaspora

Don't fall for the scart meme.

>>5858037
>tfw just got an ikegami monitor

>>5858043
Found the Amerilard

>>5858043
Scart cables give a convenient place to house components though.

>>5858051
and for an amerilard who is likely using a pvm for their rgb needs then scart really doesn't make sense at all.

>>5858075
what tv?

>>5858094
this one but in 55cm variant.

>>5857946
the virgin wizard

>>5857942
the chad wizard

>>5858195
balm for my tortured soul

Would any of the fine posters of /CRT/ be able to help me? I've got a PVM 1943MD with some convergence/geometry issues, would anyone be willing to give some advice as to how I could improve it some?

This is supposed to be a perfect rectangle

And now its worst problem, convergence. It's mostly acceptable but in the upper portion of the screen it becomes REALLY bad... I have no experience with adjusting the convergence on CRTs.

>>5857192
it is a Viewsonic E90
>0.23mm horizontal
>0.14mm vertical
>0.27mm diagonal

>>5856294
The gamma doesn't change, just the black point.

>>5858253
Jesus Christ decrease the fucking brightness

>>5858037
I would like ikegami but I have panasonic and Conrac monitors.
>>5858052
>convenient place to house components
How about inside the console? More roomy than a SCART.
Also anything you house in a SCART could be housed in a d-sub and be cheaper that way.
SCART is only good if you live in a country where it's common.
>>5858075
I love that.
>>5858253
Move the yoke and purity/focus rings. Just know you will NOT get it as good as it is.
Re-capping is a much better option.
That looks good enough I'd stop whinging.
>>5858291
Impressive but as I said, not enough raster. That screen's 60% black.

>>5858051
Enjoy your 50 hertz.

>>5858408
Are you dense? Are you retarded? Or just technically inept?! You can pass a RGB signal in 60Hz over SCART you lardass.

>>5858397
>Also anything you house in a SCART could be housed in a d-sub and be cheaper that way.

lawl have fun fitting 3x220µF in a DB9 shell

Did that bright-eyed little kid from the videos really grow up to be this rude? LOL 4chan raised another one.

>>5858449
>that bright-eyed little kid from the videos
wut

Looking at picking up a 17 in crt for my windows XP build. Any in particular I should look out for?

>>5858476
>Any in particular I should look out for?
not really

>>5858485
So any 17in should do? No benefit to aperture grille over shadow mask? It's a crossfire build so resolution isn't an issue.

>>5858430
Butchered forever. Hey, at least it’s easier to play when slowed down, right?

>>5858501
The fuck are you talking about? TVs in Europe worked with both 50/60Hz signals since the mid-to-late 80s. I played all my imported JP stuff at full speed on a big Grundig Cityline.

>>5858476
If you want to play later games get something that does 1600x1200@85 hz. That means going with at least a 19" tho.

>>5858494
I still own two IBM ThinkVision 22" monitors that previously served at a CAD workstation. I wholeheartedly recommend these models for retro gaming.

>>5858507
Stop larping as someone who had enough knowledge to mod 60Hz into your console. You played butchered versions of every sing game as a child.

>>5858509
Got my childhood crt from my mom's storage unit. Time to make a dos/win95 build.

Got my childhood crt from my mom's storage unit. Time to make a dos/win95 build.

>>5858553
importing, mate

>>5858516
This. Anon, get two of these.

>>5855897
looks alright

>>5858578

>>5858560
go for Windows 98 SE instead for good times
(avoid the SP3 pack floating around the net though, breaks a lot of games.)

>>5858397
>Re-capping is a much better option.
What board should I recap?

>>5858631
I had 95 on the computer that used that monitor. Never used 98, went straight from 95 to xp.

I love CRT. It's why I'm putting CRT mode into my retro rpg. I miss playing snes rpgs comfy at night.

>>5859040
that looks absolutely NOTHING like a crt

>>5859083
what about now

>>5856952
What BVM model?

>>5859092
Way better

>>5859092
what a piece of turd, what is this? you put some grey lines all over screen and some fucking blur? What a fucking zoomer.

Who else big crt here?

>>5859548
big crt best crt.

>>5859548
What size is that, 27"? If so I have the exact same model. Works like a charm.
I'm just glad I was able to rescue it from my parents place. It's the main TV I used for vidya back in the mid-2000s. They also had a 32" trinitron but they decided to dismantle it and haul it off to the landfill without even asking me about it.

>>5859237
14f5u

>>5859553
Yep it's a 27in
Seems to have a bit of deflection on the top I'm just now noticing. Wonder if it's new.

>>5859554
Basically all TVs are going to have some sort of problem like that in the corners. Can't be helped. Or I guess technically it can be helped if you want to muck about with the yoke and magnetic strips and all that sort of thing. But IMO not a big deal.

>>5859554
>>5859560
Sorry miss spoke, it just has a bit of tilt. Was able to correct with the tilt correction menu.

I fell for the BVM meme guys

>>5859548
If I can carry it myself, I don't want it
(not really, I love all screen sizes including xboxhueg)

>>5858394
brightness looks fine there, just a kinda overexposed pic with quite a bit of ambient

>>5860127
>>5858394
you really can't assess things like brightness based on a picture taken of the screen of a CRT. Brightness in photos ends up looking totally different than what you actually see IRL

>>5859636
>having friends

>>5855675
>>5855678
>>5855682
lel, I found a 20l2 on the curb like a month ago. My other broadcast monitors were either free or dirt cheap. The most I've paid is $50 for a pvm 2030, 1910, and cpd 300 together. A 16" jvc 750tvl was given to me for free. Sure, there are price gougers out there, but you can definitely still find them for cheap/free.

>>5860218
What's your general location? Really seems like it all comes down to where you are. Live in a place with a lot of studio production and you got them everywhere. Live in a more normal area and they've all dried up long ago and there was limited stock to begin with. Live out in the sticks and you can still find hospitals/liquidators with them because they've only just now gotten around to clearing old stuff out.

>>5860227
I'm in Los Angeles, so yeah, almost literally studio city. I have to stop myself from continuing to search them out.

>>5860234
lol exactly, anyone in LA could easily be swimming in relatively cheap PVMs/BVMs with the tiniest modicum of effort. If only it were that simple elsewhere.

>>5858195
Hagrid's not a wizard

>>5860712
yes he is, wtf are you on about. he might not be allowed to practice magic cause he never finished school but he can still cast magic if he needs to, like when he turns dursley into a pig boy.

>>5860871
hagrid is a half troll and might even be considered a wizard

>>5860227
>arrives at sketchy warehouse in middle of nowhere responding to Craigslist ad
>two crazy coots in the back, tinkering with oscilloscopes, and rocking out to jazz
>soft spoken hijab wearing lady manning the front counter
>“E-excuse me miss, c-can you possibly direct me to the BVM 1310 you had listed for sale and could I test it please?”
>“No. That unit is listed for parts only. Didn’t we already speak about this?”
>Realize she’s right
>Sinking feeling in my gut, I’m about to lose it right here In front of everyone
>Fight or flee response kicks in
>flee it is, I boot it to the door, tears streaming down in frustration
>as I zoom by one of the forklifts I spot the familiar glossy look of a backplate of pic related.
>stop immediately and saunter on over
>”Excuse me, m-miss? May I take a look at THIS one please?
>I Inspect it. It’s a BVM 20f1u with 3 analog input cards and the BKM 10r control unit

True story. Also I wound up leaving with a bvm d24e1wu as well. It was well worth the 12 hour round trip and almost losing my spaghetti but I did it boys. I Fell for the BVM meme...

>>5860882
No. He's not a troll.
>>5860871
He's not a qualified wizard. The Ministry of Magic decides who can be a wizard and who can not, and he can not. He's a near useless half giant.

>>5861124
bullshit. quit larping.

>>5861171
This kind of intimate knowledge of Harry Potter is pussy poison, dude.

>>5861510
It’s all happened and I also banged your mom last night :)

So what's the best way to get a bvm or pvm if you live in flyover land? Buy from an online gouger?

>>5861516
I fucked you last night and you liked it.

>>5861535
Try checking hospitals. If you're 8n a rural area its possible they might still have CRT equipment that they just haven't gotten around to liquidating yet, whereas in the more urban areas all that stuff was tossed long ago

>>5861626
Shit might be too late then. Big hospital came in and built a new facility and old one shut down a couple years ago. Would have been prime time.

>>5861124
Thank you my friend are learn nothing waste time

what are the signs that a tube needs replacing? Wondering because I've had a PVM for years, and while the image is fantastic, it's always had this minor issue where I can see a sort of streaking/ghosting tail to the right of objects on-screen. And AFAIK it's not due to my cabling or consoles or anything like that because I've tested it on a different monitor and don't see the streaking.

It's a very minor thing, and I still love the monitor, but I'm just curious what could be leading to the effect. Old tube? Bad capacitors? Something else easily fixable?
I'd show pictures but it's such a faint thing that I can't capture it on my phone.

>>5856808
I just gave one away kinda like it for 5 bucks, I liked the picture on it

>>5861956
>Thank you my friend are learn nothing waste time
I know where this is from but when I searched this it only came up with this post

>>5862614
>I know where this is from
I didn't but just found it on twitter. He owned that guy out of the blue but why is it a thing and where?

>>5858645
>Which board should I recap
All of them.
Start with the neckboard and if there's a separate board for the deflection circuitry that one.
>>5858430
>Are you dense? Are you retarded? Or just technically inept?! You can pass a RGB signal in 60Hz over SCART you lardass.
If you're in europe your older consoles are 50hz. Or you have to spend a shitload to import JP/NA hardware/games. So, are *you* retarded?

>>5862757
P.S.
If you aren't in europe but you're using SCART, you might be retarded.

>>5861124
good cards for reselling. worth the spaghetti

>>5858201
I dont feé̷̡̛̛̼͓͈́͂̄̐͌̑̃̃͛̚̕ͅļ̴̞̼͎̩͖̼͗̆̂͆̐̀̚̚ ̶̤̻̟͖̘͙͇̗̠́̆́̓͋s̷̨̛͕̩̺̩̥̖͎̮̩̈́͋͂͘ͅo̴̧͙̳͕̜̞̞̳͛̎̐́̈̃̋̏̃̽͠ ̴̡̡͖̤̫̱̗͔̰͙͚̤̙͙̈́͗̉͆͛̓͛̀̕͠g̴̡͇̹͈̙͇̪̦̝͎̺̙̋̽͑o̶͍̜͙͖̗̖̤̓̍ö̷̡̨̟̗͎̰̜͖́̇̕d̸̥̩̩̤̜͕͎̙͔͖̟̩͉̼͌̔̑̈̿̓̒͐̈́͌̈́̑̓͠

>>5862845
It's OK, that's a flat screen anyway so it's garbage
>>5862993
>>5862982
Thanks for rotating when you realized your mistake. Looks good.

Got new chinesium drives to repair my two spare playstation units today. An SCPH-1001 and a PSOne.
Which should I get rid of? I'm using RGB via my SCPH-5501 and I only really need one spare.
Before anyone mentions the 1001 DAC meme, let me just say that my 1001 has very brittle plastic compared to the 5501, and the DAC in the 5501 is an updated version of the one in the 1001. They didn't move to a cheaper one until later units, but I think the whole DAC thing is retarded anyway because it's not a big difference.

>>5863052
I mention RGB use because the encoder in the PSOne is much better/cleaner than the one in my earlier units which use a CXA1645. But since I run RGB that doesn't matter at all to me.

>>5863060
BTW the PSOne also had a bad drive in that it has a torn flex cable (my fault). Only the 5501 has a good drive at the moment, and that one has a metal sled like the one in the PSOne did so it's probably going to stay OK for a good while.

found a mothafuckin 31-incher on the side of the road today

>>5863238
Congrats, welcome to the consumer set master race.

what do you guys think about my consumer trinitron?
S-video by the way

>>5855947
Engrish translation for 'hang in there' In prototypes of the level there were signs that said 'good luck'

>>5863238
nice. what brand, year, and inputs?
Especially if it has component, you hold on to it. YOU HOLD ON TO IT

Why do people bother with scan lines?
Movie fans don't downgrade their tvs to watch old films and people don't overlay vinyl hiss to listen to mp3s of old songs

It's a serious question, I'd like to know why you guys bother. Is it to feel included in the past, proof it existed? A way of emulating not just the games, but emulating your experience playing them? An interesting thought - emulation of youth - I want to know why you bother. I grew up with CRTs, in fact I have about 5 in my attic but never once have I been playing an emulator and thought 'yeah I want this, but worse'

>>5863685
Games were designed for 240p on CRTs. Your analogy to movies doesn't work because they were made on film for projectors, not on VHS tapes chopped to 4:3 at 480i. Films, even very old ones, are still extremely high quality - how do you think they master 4k blurays of old movies? where do you think that comes from?

britbong fag here,
the RCA to BNC adaptor arrived today and desu, i'm absolutely chuffed with the turnout of this lil clunker, expected a lot worse for a cheap £10 find, what you lads thinken?

>>5863692
True. But it seems to me the point with playing games with fake scan lines isn't to get it looking as good as possible, it's to get it looking how it looked when you first played it.
I certainly saw all films as a kid on VHS, not projected

>>5863698
You didn't say scanline filters. I'm talking about actual scanlines on actual CRTs.

As far as filters, I'm not particularly a fan. They never look right to me. Biggest problem is that just painting over black/darker lines over the image just results in the whole thing being much darker than on a real CRT.

>>5863685
Have you seen anime on a pro monitor?

>>5863703
Whoops, my mistake, I meant fake ones

>>5863704
Nope, don't really watch anime. Good or bad?

>>5863683
Tfw when have a component capable crt but it can't do progressive scan.

>>5863785
You don't want an enhanced definition CRT for old vidya. They don't natively support stuff like 240p, so they still go through an upscaling/deinterlacing process similar to flat-screen HDTVs, leading to a bit of lag as well as potential distortions with things like flashing sprites.

>>5863806
So what's the purpose of component on a crt anyway? Are there 480i sources?

>>5863809
component is just a type of signal where the signal is split into luminance+sync, difference between blue and luma, and difference between red and luma are in three wires. Just like how RGBs is four wires for red/green/blue/sync. It says nothing about the resolution of the signal.

You can have 240p/480i through component.

>>5863815
So are what are some common sources of component on older hardware? Aren't most console mods RGB? I'm asking all this as I have a KV-27FS100 but I don't have any component sources to utilize the ports.

>>5863819
Wii, Xbox, and PS2 can all do standard def via component. So can gamecube, but requires those shitty fucking expensive cables. For older consoles that output RGB you can buy an RGB-to-component transcoder for about 50 bucks or so.

That last part is the important bit here. A transcoder what I use for my consumer trinitron. The quality is effectively just as good as straight RGB, and it allows you to get a premium video signal from your old consoles without necessarily having to break the bank on a PVM on spend time and effort RGB modding your set.

>>5863823
I have the eon gchd but the only game I've tried through the Wii component cable option was Metroid Prime and it puts itself in progressive scan when it detects the hardware.

>>5863828
Holy shit I'm retarded. Just have to tell it to not do prog scan on startup.

>>5863830
Nvm this stupid gchd doesn't output interlaced over component. Only progressive, for all games.

I recently bought an old 27 inch Zenith CRT for a few bucks and sold my old 16 inch Sony Trinitron for $100. I really miss the Trinitron's picture and colours though, but the Zenith TV is pretty good, and a much larger screen size is nice.

>>5863841
Hmm, I don't get it. I should be able to select non progressive mode and it should remember it. But it starts up in progressive and even if I select the menu blind it doesn't switch to interlaced. Says it does but still can't see shit but jacked up signal.

>>5863871
Might have to try it on a different tv with component in.

>>5863697
have some /a/ whilst i'm still testing.

>>5863879
Ok I think my gchd is in the wrong analog out mode. So I need to get a universal remote to access the menu.

>>5863697
What's the input coming from? Why is it in 16:9?
It looks alright, but fix that aspect ratio.

>>5864007
it's 4:3, and using composite on a wii, so that may be why.

>>5864017
Check your wii system settings, is it set for 16:9 or 4:3?

>>5863685
There are faggots watching VHS shit and what not on old TVs. It can't be anything but pure nostalgia as it is quite objectively shit and not what any movie directors ever intended.
There are unironically people listening to vinyl rips as well, even though perfectly good transfers from tape exist.
I don't emulate with filters or on LCD panels, but I can see why people would if they didn't have anything else. Scaled shit on a non-CRT looks like garbage.

>>5864007
>>5864021
OOT/MM are letterboxed during targeting/direction lock, scripted scenes, and dialog/selection screens including the save option screen in the shot. The screen expands for the rest of the game.

>>5864153
Ah, I had a sneaking suspicion that that was the case but I wasn't sure. Thanks for pointing out my mistake.
>>5863697
Guess I was wrong, enjoy your CRT. Can we see a picture of the set itself with the lights on?

>>5864017
>on a wii
speaking of which, is there any way of forcing N64 virtual console games to run in 240p? I wish they'd at least give an option of either playing 480i or 240p.

>>5863685
>emulating not just the games, but emulating your experience playing them
A good way of putting it actually

>>5855419
You know what it is lil niggas

>>5863685
Because it looks better. Your peabrain couldn’t comprehend it.

>>5864634
scanlines are only okay when they're far thinner than the garbage you posted. thick scanlines are something zoomers like because the youtube man told them it's good.

>>5864210
I believe you have to hold C while it boots up or something? Not sure, but there is a way. Do a web search for it.

>>5863815
Thanks man, got my gchd right so I can enjoy 480i component gamecube. Mine shipped with the component out set to RGB not YUV. Without you I would have never revisited it. Now to just get the component cable for my ps2.

>>5863698
>fake scanlines
Wrong thread, this is /crt/.

>>5864210
https://www.retrorgb.com/wiivsclassic.html

this worth picking up for $35 to start my station?

>>5865010
Only if you don't ever plan on using component.

>>5865032
never used it growing up

>>5865010
>>5865032
Any component compatible console has optical out which that receiver has. Except GameCube but that uses separate RCA for audio.

>>5865010
Generally yes, but it depends on what other receivers you're also able to find used where you are. If you intend to use its surround decoders and already have speakers (or can piece together a set cheaply), it's a better buy than the typical 2.0 digital amp at around the same price that I'd normally recommend new, other than in power consumption. Also, hey, DAC for your digital inputs plus a radio tuner!

>>5865032
Bypass the receiver, use a component switch. If the receiver scales, this is actually pretty essential.

>>5865110
>Bypass the receiver, use a component switch. If the receiver scales, this is actually pretty essential.
Whoops, I stated that poorly. A component switch would be essential with that model anyway because (A) it has no component inputs (or HDMI) and therefore (B) it doesn't scale video. What I said is a concern on receivers with component or HDMI and an onboard scaler.

>>5865123
most receivers that scale from analog inputs only do so on the hdmi output. seeing as that's an onkyo that would definitely be the case if it did have analog and hdmi.

>>5865010
I would aim for something a little nicer, they can be had for just a little more. I paid $50CAD for an onkyo tx-sr606 which is a few steps up from that model.

Finally about that rainmeter shit. Came here to show it off on the monitor

>>5863672

>>5865123
What's a good brand for component switches?Also composite switches.

>>5864659
Peabrain!

>>5865312
It looks good, there’s something special about a consumer set that makes it a bit better in some ways then your typical pvm memes

>>5865570
those aren't even your own pics.

>>5865586
They are.

20l5 vs 14l2. I prefer the 20l5. Can you guys tell which is which?

>>5865591
If they are your pics then you should go to bed like you said you were. ;)

>>5863672
>>5865312
Not bad at all (for what it is).
>>5865594
Yes, because I have a 20L5. It's >>5865591
And BTW the 20L5 is my least favorite pro monitor I've ever owned for 240p. It's pretty nice for higher resolutions, though.
Also your focus on >>5865594 sucks balls.
>>5865586
I'm curious, who do you think took them?
I've not been paying as much attention to these threads recently.

>>5865608
>I'm curious, who do you think took them?
I know exactly who took them.

>>5865625
That pic didn't answer anything either
…Unless you're saying you did. I guess that's probably what you're saying. Forgive me.

>>5865138
I've never owned an Onkyo so that's good to know about them specifically. A few high-end pre-HDMI models used to perform upscaling on component. But now that you mention it, another concern is just plain video format conversion, which you also want to avoid doing on the receiver except in weird edge cases of wanting to use its comb filter for composite instead of your TV's.

>>5865140
You can sometimes luck into better brands for cheap too, especially models without HDMI that non-retro gamers consider obsolete for video use.

>>5865010
If you don't care about component or RGB video, sure.
(You can push RGB through a component A/V receiver by using the composite video line for sync)

Pic: basically this is the entire game's point

>>5865010
>>5865686
Note however that with a video processor (like some of the extron units) or a bit of know-how you can combine the sync line with the green line and then use the S-video Y/C pins and the composite video input to pass RGB with sync on green through that.
Convoluted? Yes. Doable? Also yes.

>>5865690
Same goes for passing component through that.
https://console5.com/store/s-video-s-vhs-to-rca-y-c-luma-chroma-adapter-cable-6-15-cm.html This site appears to sell something for it, seems pretty cheap. It's basically the way you'd connect S-video to an old commodore monitor with separate Y/C RCA jacks, too.

I picked up this old consumer Jvc tv. I have no idea if this geometry looks good. If not can it be adjusted without opening? The service menu doesn't seem too flexible.

>>5865840
I mean, it's hard to tell based on one screen, but that looks good to me. Also check the linearity screen to make sure circles are circular, and the grid scrolls to see if there's any warping horizontally or vertically.
IMO one of the upsides to shadow mask CRTs is that I think they tend to have better geometry. But on the other hand, this comes along with that signature fishbowl-shaped screen.

BVM nice. BVM good. Bvm meme. me meme.

https://youtu.be/Z2A0fK6NlXY

wtf is this?

>>5865840
>I have no idea if this geometry looks good.
honestly better to remain blissfully ignorant. once you develop the eye to start noticing geometry and convergence issues it makes you miserable.

>>5863841
GCHD defaults to line doubling SD to 480i for better compatibility with modern stuff, gotta go through the OSD options to make it pass 480i/240p straight through.

>>5866317
100% this. When I dusted off my old vidya and hooked it back up to a CRT, I was completely happy. Then I found out about geometry and started noticing the warping in all my side-scrolling 2D games, and it drove me crazy and ruined it for me.

>>5866020
>IMO one of the upsides to shadow mask CRTs is that I think they tend to have better geometry. But on the other hand, this comes along with that signature fishbowl-shaped screen.
Odd, because the vertical curvature of that fishbowl screen is something AG screens have always been able to avoid.

>>5866313
>CRT fungus
>crystallization of the glycol coolant in CRT projector tubes
He tells you in the first 15 seconds. There's no such coolant (like car anti-freeze) in direct-view CRTs, which are presumably large enough and cool enough for heat to dissipate adequately.

>>5865840
It's pretty decent. I'd be pleased with it, especially for a consumer set.
Better still it appears to have pretty nice purity and convergence.

>>5866336
Ya I figured that out, thanks anyway. Had to hook it up to a modern tv so I could change the settings. Metroid Prime never looked so good.

Damn it feels good to play as the devs intended.

kind of a wierd question but I guess I'll ask here.

can anyone else just "sense" when a CRT is on? like its not something you hear so much as "feel"? its not something I really noticed as a kid but now that everything's moved to LCD its definitely noticeable, even if I'm not in the same room. what causes this?

>>5867136
you probably really are just hearing it

boys i decided to recap my crt monitor. just starting with the neckboard, is it just the electrolytics that i have to worry about, or should i replace the ceramic ones too? ive never done this before, and i cant find a service manual for this thing.

>>5867174
ceramics generally don't fail semi-gently like electrolytics do. They just pop, and usually if they go a lot of other shit fails with them

>>5866907
At 9 years old back in the 90s?

>>5867136
You’re hearing a high pitch 15khz whine. Enjoy it while it lasts.

B V M
V
M V B
V
B V M
Meme

>>5867395
that bored, eh

>>5867246
Why, on a CRT with composite cables of course!

>>5867495
So this... is the power... of composite...

>>5866907
>composhit
keep telling yourself that
>>5867174
Only the electrolytics unless you see physical damage to the ceramics. They're much, much less prone to decaying over time than electrolytics are.

Remove the neckboard from the tube before doing the soldering. Don't want to risk snapping its neck.

>>5867517
Cute L5.
Mine's undergoing some adjustments atm but it's getting better (I'm working on re-attaching the yoke following fixing the rotation). Still not as big a fan of it as my tri-dot screens, though.

>>5867591
Congratulations on falling for a meme!

>>5867597
>falling for a meme
Mine was $15 at a convention, so lol, not really.
It had issues when I got it (which I've fixed by re-capping).

>>5867591
>>5867601
Look at those scanlines!

>>5867604
I don't like them actually.
It's my biggest problem with the L5, unless I'm super far away from it.

>>5867608
Hadn't 100% nailed the convergence in that pic...
Was close, though.
>>5865686 is more to my liking (though I am guessing that is a smaller CRT at ~14 inches).

>>5863672
If you have a remote, find the service manual and some patterns, it'll be like night and day. I recommend tuning it to the signal type you use the most, component in my case.

>>5867631
i have the 240p suite on my softmodded wii this pattern >>5865840 on my CRT looks tilted and awful... but i dont want to die trying to rotate the yoke thingy ;_;

>>5867676
The deflection yoke operates on much, much lower voltages than the flyback transformer.

Still, if you do decide to do it you're going to dive pretty deep. When you get the yoke moving you'll open the can of worms called purity and convergence, too. It's possible to fix it, but god damn is it annoying.
If you can live with it I recommend not messing around in there. But you are unlikely to hurt yourself if you stay away from under the rubber suction cup and away from the flyback transformer.

>>5867683
sorry but I can't take 4chan advices seriously you may be trying to kill me

>>5867686
The important thing is to ground yourself by touching everything you see in there

>>5867686
OK, here. I'll just show you then.
This is me poking my fingers at wires from the yoke. It's fine.
>>5867691
This guy is trying to kill you, with a CRT you do NOT want to be ground because that's how you get electrical current going through your chest.

>>5867701

>>5867701
that's the 20L5 btw

Now to see if dead anon's ghost will reply

>>5867701
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5867703
>>5867706
it's like petting a cat. There might be some spots they're fine with, but if you pet most cats on the belly there's a good chance you'll get clawed.
Think about it. Electricity is used in the yoke to create a weak magnetic field that can be manipulated to redirect the electron beams. If the deflection yoke needed to run at at high voltages, you'd need some permanent rare earth magnet to mess up convergence. You wouldn't be able to just use a fridge magnet or a screwdriver tip near the neck.

It's smart to be cautious around CRT's, but they really aren't THAT dangerous if you treat them respectfully and stay aware. Don't drink while working on them for sure.

PC CRT with no response to signal. Power button responds when plugged in, LED status just suggests immediate sleep. No glow from the neck, and no obvious noise/whine that the tube is receiving power. Cursory glance at the internals shows no apparent loose connections or blown anything. Suggestions?

>>5867715
btw I don't recommend touching the coil wires directly if you can help it, because there's plastic parts you can grip better anyway.
But I did this to prove a point.

>>5867717
Check your fuses.
Did that help? if not:
Turn it on, then back off. Discharge the anode cap. Did you hear a "pop" when you brought your discharger/screwdriver to the anode? If no, it's likely the tube isn't getting powered at all.
Find the service manual if you can. Check what transformer the tube gets its heater connected to. The heater is what warms up the tube. See what the normal voltage is supposed to be to the heater. Check the impedance of the heater, too. If they don't roughly match, there's your problem. The heater is what usually makes a faint orange glow on vacuum tubes, CRT's included.

>>5867726
P.S.
There are likely multiple heaters, since this is a color set, so it's unlikely to say the least. I'd try everything else first.

>>5867732
Though the supply to the heaters is still suspect

>>5867591
i upgraded 8) got a d24e1wu with only 5400 hours lol. also got a 20f1u (not d20) cus my 20l5 was pretty worn out actually, had so much use the colors were muted even with contrast boosted. will post pics eventually.

are muh scanlions too thick?

RGB modded consumer set. Can't get a good Pic, apparently android updated my phone camera and took away a lot of pro settings. I'll have to sort it out, but this is a 32" Sharp brand with shadow mask. As always, looks better in person, great color reproduction and pleasant to play games on. If you've not tried an RGB modded consumer set, it's totally worth the hour or so it takes to mod, and really nice to play on a larger set. You get all the benefits of RGB for about $5-10 worth of components.

>>5867726
Not the anon you're talking to, but good info. I have a dead remote commander consumer set that I need to start poking into soon. Won't power at all so I'm thinking it's a power supply issue.

>>5868034
Do you have an opinion on RGB modding a consumer set vs using a component transcoder? The latter option is what I use for my consumer TV. Perhaps in the future I might try RGB modding either that TV or another set that doesn't already have component. I'm curious if there's any reason to bother

I would imagine though that RGB through the OSD would look better merely because it's bypassing any sort of processing/conversion, but I haven't seen any direct comparisons.

>>5868058
Not that anon but it's largely dependent on the TV. Some TVs handle component well and look as good as RGB does or virtually indistinguishable unless side by side. Some may add noise etc, but unless you notice this I wouldn't bother.

>>5868058
It's pretty damn similar to be honest. I did it mainly for convenience as I put a scart port in back, but it's good for sets lacking component. The separation between colors and sync is probably the most important thing, and you probably already have that if you're using a transcoder. It depends on your setup, but I think a transcoder is a perfectly legit solution.

The neat thing is some sets that are even composite only can be RGB modded, turning a non desirable set into something useful.

>>5868063
>>5868192
thanks anons, that's what I
thought and that it's mainly of benefit for sets that don't already have component input. At least it means CRTs without component aren't automatically cast into the landfill and can still have a purpose.

>>5868216
>without s-video*
ftfy

rescue those s-video tvs ya absolute mongs

What do you guys use for speakers with your CRTs? I'm shopping around and also thinking about getting some kind of AV switch, but not sure about the quality of the chink shit on amazon.

>>5868405
Well you're on the right track. Definitely don't buy anything made in China, ever.

>>5868034
Looks good, what is the model # of the sharp tv?

>>5868405
I use harman kardon speakers that shipped with a dell PC around 2005 (HK395).

>>5868034
Fixed because you're a retard

>>5868000
No, they're too thin.
The raster itself is the scan lines.

Hey guys, do you know how to convert component to s-video via an electronic circuit? I'm trying to make a universal NTSC video adapter for my Genesis and I have the plans to convert RGB to YPbPr as well as YC to composite, but I can't find any info on generic YPbPr to YC conversion. I've worked on the CXA 1145 (Genesis video encoder chip) before, which shows the Pb and Pr signals being phase shifted (IIRC, only Pr receives a 90 degree phase shift), sent through a modulator, and then added together to form chrominance. Any advice to point me in the right direction would be great; I'm really just looking for as much info as possible to help me out with this since my searches haven't turned up much. Thanks!

>>5868405
I ordered shitty logitech ones because its just video games, who needs good sound? (even tho I have big ass right beside me) also i got my meme tower setup, will show you guys later if you want gonna wait til next thread before i shit up the thread with sony pvm memes.

>>5868428
chink shit
>>5868560
chink shit

>>5868432
Thanks, normally upload to my pc and fix it but didn't this time as I was in a hurry to play.

Hey how do I clean my screen of my CRT monitor which is smudged and grimey looking from years of using cleaning products I probably shouldn't have used on it

are rear projection CRTs as shit as they're said to be?

>>5868860
Glass cleaner

>>5868860
If it originally had and still has an anti-glare coating on it, it may be time to consider scrubbing/scraping/peeling it off. If that's just gunk accumulation on the actual glass, glass cleaner (which you never want to use on anti-glare coating because it will get you in the situation you may be in now).

>>5868915
it does have anti-glare

fuck

>>5868000
Absolutely fallen for the meme!

>>5869008
Is there any NES emulator that supports VR headsets?

>>5867604
lol he jelly

>>5868718
Korean actually.
And don't knock them, they're remarkably good. Amazon reviews say the same except for retards complaining about sellers in the product review section.
>>5868902
They're OK, but you'll burn your screen in fast.
>>5869008
That picture is actually funny.

>>5869008
Glasses aren't plugged into the famicom. Faaake.
>>5868917
LCD cleaner sprays should work. Report back if you try it. Just buff it as much as you can with a good cloth.

>>5867726
appreciate the suggestions. It was just late last night and I didn't want to get too into digging around in it. Did manage to find a service manual.

>>5869153
>LCD cleaner sprays should work. Report back if you try it.
translation: Your screen's AR coat is already a mess, may as well do this experiment for me

What to do if when I push the power button the red led indicator always turns on but sometimes the rest of the TV doesn't turn on?

>>5869183
Sort of. It wouldn't hurt in any case to try it. I don't have any screens with AR coats, but LCD cleaner solutions for AG coats are the same as the solutions for CRT AG coats.

>>5869187
Recap, replace relays if any.

>>5869196
what's a relay?

>>5869172
If you link to it I'd be happy to take a glance as well. I'll tell you if I see anything that looks glaringly obvious.

I assume you have a multimeter? You should get one if not.

>>5869202
>what's a relay?
Oh, dear.

A relay is essentially a device that lets you switch a large amount of voltage/current on or off using a smaller amount of voltage/current. It works like a switch that you can flip with electromagnetism.

Old cars used relays for their turn signals. That's the clicking sound you hear in older vehicles. Newer ones emulate that clicking noise.

>>5869209
can you give an example that relates to crts

why is astolfo so perfect, i have never been in love with someone not real until now god i wish i were him

>>5869218
have sex

>>5869217
OK, fine. When you turn on some CRT's (most trinitrons for instance) you hear that low pitched "BONNG" (about 60hz), when the degausser turns on. When it turns back off you hear a 'click'. That's a relay actuating to remove power from the degaussing coil.
Relays could also be used to "enable" other high voltage/high current parts of a CRT. If they aren't working (i.e., they've seized or corroded) then you don't get whatever they were supposed to turn on.

>>5869202
The old ones are switches activated by electromagnets. New ones are solid state devices.

Worst thing about FF9 is that you never get to play as a red mage with that sexy outfit.

Wish it used a job system.

>>5869229
Both are still in use. Solid state ones for really high voltages/currents are still prohibitively expensive.

>>5869217
When the TV is turned off but still connected to power a part of the TV is still turned on to be able to respond to the remote. This is the standby circuit.
When you press the power button the standby circuit turns on the rest of the TV. One of the ways to turn on the rest of the TV is to use a relay on the main power supply.

>>5869247
This is an excellent example. Thanks, was puzzling for a better concrete explanation than the degaussing thing. Glad someone was able to beat me to it.

>>5869252
Some CRT computer monitors click when you change video mode. Maybe they use relays there too.

>Oh, dear.

>>5869290
Yeah, my 20L5 does that when switching between 480i/240p and the higher modes.
My guess is that it is to switch to a different transformer winding, but I am not sure about that. I do know it is a relay, though.
Same for my amiga monitor.

>>5869298
You can translate that to 'facepalm' but more polite.
I'm annoyed by people's ignorance but can't really fault them so I didn't want to say something insulting without any really good reason.

>>5869298
>>5869302
Bless anon's soul.

You can translate that to 'facepalm' but more polite.
I'm annoyed by people's ignorance but can't really fault them so I didn't want to say something insulting without any really good reason.

>>5869318
>spoilertags
kek.

>>5869204
https://mega.nz/#!coMCQSKC!QK8jcBgCN5_EAAcmpskGUCoYFaBpK04WUF8RKxBNUsg Mine is the revision A in the second half of the PDF. I do have a multimeter but it's shit. I need to pick up a legit one

>>5869446
Is it at least digital?
I have a fluke 77 with bad LCD segments. It's pretty tragic but I intend to fix it some day soon. I suspect it's just not seated properly.
I also have an old radioshack multimeter which is almost as good, and has a couple features my (very old) fluke doesn't.

>>5869446
also I'll look at that in a minute, thanks.

>>5869452
lol no.

>>5869239
I always liked FF9, despite not being "perfect."
Would have been cool for it to have a job system, but the story would have had to have major alterations for that to happen.
My main beef is that she didn't have a way to wear this hood for the entire game.
Or one with cat ears.

>>5867676
do people itt not know what rubber gloves are? Like the dishwashing kind, not the latex kind.
I literally just sold a PVM that had a tilted yolk and I tilted it back myself. I guess this is why I get paid so much, because of fear, ignorance, and laziness.

>>5869754
you don't even need rubber gloves

>>5869754
>>5869762
You lads are truly mad. Or suicidal.

>>5869781
You're fine as long as you keep the work area free from dust, which is a fire hazard. I like to take a damp sponge and get in there real good with a gentle scrubbing of all the components.

>>5869762
I know. My point was that even if you were afraid of getting zapped, or to ignorant to know you aren't in danger, you could at the very least put rubber gloves on and not have to worry at all since there's no way you'll get shocked through them and they cost the price of dirt.

>>5869781
What is mad or suicidal about touching inert electronics with thick rubber gloves?

>>5869781
the coils are covered in a clearcoat insulation. do you get scared when you handle a power cable just because underneath there's some zappy wire?

>>5860234
Yo I'm LA too. what areas have did you find stuff? I haven't had much luck

>>5869754
A thin layer of rubber won't stop very high voltages. Also sharp things are all over in CRT's. Rubber gloves aren't a terrible idea, but you're kidding yourself if you think that's going to save you from doing something retarded.
(--The guy who made this video >>5867701 )

Also, it's spelt "yoke" and as I said the yoke isn't the deadly part.

>>5869791
Not true of all CRT's, but true for many.

>>5869826
>pointy bits
That would really only be a problem if it were plugged in. Assuming you're following the proper procedure, you could pretty much touch any part without fear. And again, there's nothing thin about electrical gloves. Hell there is nothing thin about dishwashing gloves. They're like over a millimeter thick. On top of that, no crt 20" or under is going to be deadly so long as it's been discharge and unplugged. Painful for sure, but unless you have a heart condition, I think you'll be fine. Worry more about reversing a polarity on a component and accidentally causing the tube to implode like a mercury/glass pinata.
Also saying rubber gloves wont protect you from doing something retarded is like saying wearing a hard had wont stop you from stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork. Even with gloves on you shouldn't be a total sperg and flail around in there. In most cases it's in case you aren't paying attention and do accidentally touch a charged object.
In any case the *yoke*, is generally just the part of the crt that adjusts the trajectory of each electron gun. In otherwords it's mostly just magnets and simillar electrical components. It's silly to think it could kill you.

>>5869845
Assuming you're actually fixing the purity and convergence when you re-seat the yoke, it is *necessary* to have it on while adjusting.

>>5869845
and for the second part, yeah, that's exactly what I already said in >>5867715

>>5869852
Well... okay fair enough. I suppose I was just arguing for the general servicing of crts. I would certainly recommend thick rubber gloves for messing with convergence rings though considering they are so close to the deflection board. That thing is unforgiving and it's bitten me in the past.

Comfy night finally getting to beat this game

I’m enjoying a video game on my cathode ray tube monitor.

>>5869910
g4u bro, peace

>>5869863
You must have some strange hands or some miniscule tube to have a hard time reaching in there to move the rings without touching the neckboard.
Also the rings closest to the neckboard are the focus rings, which you 99.9% of the time shouldn't need to touch anyway. The ones further up the tube are the purity ones.

>>5869781
you're a retard, I adjusted my fucking PVM while it was on multiple times, I had no any experience, I just only knew what I mustn't touch. Electricity isn't some fucking boogeyman, fool.

What's the best way to take pictures of your crts display for posting in threads? Doesn't seem to photograph well.

>>5869807
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bfs/d/los-angeles-photography-studio-lab/6973438643.html

Shit like this is always nice to check out. There's usually some decent video equipment they don't want and can't sell to other industry homos.
North Hollywood and the valley in general is littered with small studios and rental houses. Some of them have been there since the 60s and have warehouses filled with shit. You just have to find a good old guy to talk to.

im going to copypaste my post from /diy/

ive decided to recap my crt monitor because of some image issues it was having. on the neck board there are some of these caps without polarizing stripes on them, which is odd because there are some other obviously polarized caps that are the exact same value(1uf100v, pic related). am i good to replace both of these caps with polarized caps of the same value? or do i need to know what kind of cap the black one is and get that type?

i tried finding the manual or board diagrams for my crt, but no dice. any help would be appriciated.

>>5870338
Non polarized can only be replaced by non polarized. Polarized can be replaced with either, so long as values are the same.

>>5870348
thanks for the reply. in the pic the cap on the left is the one in question. any idea what kind of cap that would be? i dont see a stripe on it, and the fact that its the same value as the one right next to it, but a totally different cal leads me to believe its an important distiction.
what kind of cap would i order? what kind of cap is it?

>>5870372
one more stupic question. assuming its a nonpolar cap, can i replac it with a mylar cap, or any other nonpolar cap of the same value, or does it need to be a cap of this type?

>>5862757
a shitload to import?
Did you pull that out of your ass? Importing NTSC consoles is cheap af, so are the games compared to PAL. A PAL Wii is all you need to play on a CRT in 60hz. So quit your screeching

>>5870372
>>5870380
The "+" mark on the PCB seems to indicate that the circuit uses a polarized capacitor. Take a look from the other side to see if it has a white filled circle on the hole for the other terminal like the capacitor next to it.

>>5870389
>>5870372
Yeah, I just saw the markings on the board. The capacitor is not necessarily a non polar cap, it might just have a different marking style you won't see until you remove it. It could very easily have a + and - near the leads. Anyway, it's an aluminum capacitor with radial leads.

>>5870253
>https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bfs/d/los-angeles-photography-studio-lab/6973438643.html
Thanks dude. Good info

>>5870517
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/pho/d/los-angeles-movie-studio-liquidating/6970229216.html
This is what you want. Shit like this pops up fairl often and crt monitors are such an afterthought they'd probably give them away for free just to not have to deal with properly disposing of them.
Also check out electronic recycling places, that's not exclusive to LA but broadcast monitors probably get dropped off there nor often in LA.

>>5870527
Feelin go>>5870527
Yeah gonna try these with the recycling places. cuz this shit is too much https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/ele/d/pomona-sony-pvm-1954q/6972461876.html

>>5862757
Importing JP consoles is often cheaper than buying PAL ones locally. Then get flashcart, ez.

What are the best ways to split Component and/or Composite signals, without losing image quality and/or adding delay?

I want to record using picture related but it only outputs HDMI(I am going to play on a CRT). I need to split the signal before going into the Capture Card.

>>5871115
use your display output

>>5871134

>>5871134
no need to split the signal just run console to the tv and use your tv output into your capture card and play on your tv whilst you stream ive done this before it can even be done with a cheap chiense capture card. there is small delay but its less than a second and since youre playing on your crt nobody is going to care or notice

>>5871148
My TV doesn't have an output though. Regrettably it's it a regular old CRT, not a fancy one.

>>5871115
Get one of the many cheap Extron distribution amps on eBay and some RCA-to-BNC adapters.

>>5871164
I have never heard of this device before. What does it do?

>>5871176
What, a distribution amplifier? It splits one input signal into many outputs, which is exactly what you're asking for. Extron is a big name in professional video equipment, and their old analog stuff is dirt cheap now and very high quality.

>>5871193
Interesting. Importing is always a huge hastle but it seems worth picking that stuff up. Thanks for the advice.

How is an extron crosspoint 450 plus?

>>5871115
if you don't have outputs, either 1) get a distribution amplifier or 2) open up the TV, add some more jacks, and put the 75 ohm resistors that might be in there on a switch.
If you do have outputs, daisy chain. You may have to manually set termination to "open" instead of 75 ohms, or this may be done by the set automatically.

Looking for some help,

Finally got a Saturn RGB cable, Sync On Luma, Elements of the game are ghosted like in the pic.

None of my other consoles do this, Is it the cable? Or the console?

>>5871461
Cable, most likely. You usually get that with shitty thin wires, especially if they're really long.