/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Ended, pretty much waiting for a final release
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

Ion Fury
-Devs claim upcoming patch is not censoring
-https://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1616150570017627014
-Tourists: there is already a backup of the original release in OP, no need for extra mirrors

=== NEWS ===

[8-27] Anon releases his unfinished project, free for cannibalizing
https://gofile.io/?c=7iv0Zp

[8-25] Final Doomer 3.1 releases with Hellbound, Alien Vendetta, and Whitemare-themed weapon sets
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55061

[8-23] Paradise v2 final version out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106058-paradise-v2-final-version-8222019/

[8-23] Doom Mobile RPG page taken down, reuploaded to Mega
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4

[8-22] James and ClintLGR made an Chex AVGN video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg0y9i5E7nY

[8-22] Anon uploads obscure retro FPS'
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac

[8-21] SM200 for Quake released, mixed themes
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61762

[8-20] Anon releases his commercial shovelware compilation, all extracted
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17fEEr969NzxgqPBVl0M0stXZxTjegRbZ

[8-18] Hell-Forged released
https://twitter.com/AmuscariaArts/status/1162968692357025792

[8-17] Oni gameplay mod Naku Naru 1.1 relesed
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65276

[8-15] 'Out for Blood', an episode of Blood maps
http://www.blood.freeminded.de/index.php?section=episodes&id=612

[8-15] Anon map release: Bloody Pulp.wad
https://mega.nz/#!Nsx1XCjL!o1qx7szJl0dVCguEITpWLudg9gZ-Dj3AsBWFEj01Sto

[8-14] Anon map release, he wants feedback
https://www.mediafire.com/file/dzwap1o46z2uf87/testmap.wad/file

=== PREVIOUS ===

https://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

== PROTIP ==

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>>5841989
Is there a mod for GZDoom that paints the tracers shooting from the player so they're visible in-game for a couple seconds, and you can see where they collide and how many of them? I feel it would be very useful to get a feel for the weapon, but I couldn't find one from an initial search

Webm is from an anon last thread showing off a map to practice two-shotting cyberdemons on a 384 unit platform:
https://files.catbox.moe/uyane3.wad

Marathon

>>5842000
>tfw I gave up on playing that trash

>>5842004
>he got stuck in the trash compactor

Would Tom Hall's Doom have been a better or worse game than what we got?

>>5842019
Worse fps game. If you want something more akin to it, gameplay wise, it sounds somewhat like system shock. Item usage, somewhat more "real" environments... That sort of thing.

she's coming back, bros
i can feel it coming in the air tonight

>>5842047
This is not to say that ss1 is bad btw. Just that it's not an fps game on par with Doom, like Doom isn't a first person rpg like ss1 is. Different game entirely, and that's likely how Tom halls would've been.

>>5842019
Well, you have a shooter game MOSTLY designed and directed by Hall. Have you played through the entirety of demo campaign to it (+3 bonus levels), the game itself and the addon to it? It's ridiculously fucking repetitive.

This map was fun. Couldn't figure out how to open that last secret, though.

>>5842056
I couldn't either, I had to open Doombuilder to find it.

>>5842019
Doom 2 would have had better maps, probably.

>>5842060
Hall is Doom64 tier mapper at best.

>>5842060
That's not saying much, Dead Simple, Refueling Base, Circle of Death, Inmost Dens, and The Living End are all fantastic maps that rival even a lot of good pwad maps, plus Refueling Base was originally a Tom Hall map. Generally speaking, maps that were started by Tom Hall and finished by Sandy Petersen were arguably where Petersen shat the bed the least

>>5842019
Try any of the recreations to see for yourself. Like Doom Delta.

>>5841990
>-Devs claim upcoming patch is not censoring

Didn't the patch get cancelled outright?

>>5842019
Worse.

>>5842115
Is there not a patch with bugfixes and such happening?

ION FURY ISN'T RETRO
>ION FURY ISN'T RETRO
ION FURY ISN'T RETRO
>ION FURY ISN'T RETRO
ION FURY ISN'T RETRO
>ION FURY ISN'T RETRO
ION FURY ISN'T RETRO
>ION FURY ISN'T RETRO

>>5842115
They're still updating it, they just announced OGAY won't be removed

>>5842125
Ogay

>>5842125
then any doom mod isn't retro
only wads that run in DOS doom are allowed

>>5842139
boom is retro too

>>5842141
Actually, i just remembered zdoom was originally released in like 1999. So nevermind, gzdoom is 100% retro

Was this supposed to be fun?

Some of the level design was okay but it was just 'artificial difficulty: the iwad'. It just threw so much arch-villes and and revenants at you just to make it """hard""".

I now understand why some people call save scumming a bullshit filter.

TNT: Evilution was the better Final Doom IWAD and you all know it.

>>5842174
That's what it was going for, some people like that kind of difficulty.
If you don't, just turn it down a notch.

>>5842174
Funny how most people seem to think either TNT is great and Plutonia sucks or vice versa. I myself also prefer TNT but I've come around slowly to Plutonia over the years.

High five, Narwitz.

>>5842174
>artificial difficulty
Stopped reading there.

>>5842160
>tfw ZDoom was the reason Boom ceased development

>>5842205
Ty Halderman 2 - The Re-Boomening

>>5842189
I was always 50/50. I'd say tht maps were more fun to explore but lacked memorable encounters. If I had to pick I'd maybe go with tnt.

I like TNT's soundtrack a lot. Nice tunes

>>5842245
TNT:R had some decent reimaginings of those tracks. Nice surprise.

Is there a mod that accurately imitates D64 weapons?
I know there's the TC that allows playing with mods in GZDoom but I found nothing regarding weapons.

Fun fact, Wrath: Aeon of Ruin was originally a GZDoom game ala Hedon before moving to Darkplaces
https://youtu.be/qQk3pSNKV-M

>>5842253
Smooth Doom has Doom64 weapons

>>5842257
Thanks for the answer. I didn't know that.

>>5842262
Just reskins. I imagine that D64 has changes that aren't just cosmetic.

>>5842205
source?

>>5842004
120% Pleb

>>5842269
Latest versions have them alter gameplay

>Re: Doom

I want to create a big effect of a swirling abyss in the sky, any ideas on how to do this in a Doom map? It's UDMF format.

I have access to all the game assets, I really want to bring this to an engine with higher resolutions (and modern-ish) features.

>>5842292
In the distant background? A skybox.

>>5842296
I'm some guy and I'm coming to fry the rest of you friggin' aliens!

>>5842184
>If you don't, just turn it down a notch
But I don't want people telling me they have a bigger penis than me because I don't play on UV.

does gzdoom not run pol.wad anymore? I'm trying brutal doom, and want to see how it works in the first room

>>5841996
visualizing the bfg tracers is a bit of a pain, since A_BFGSpray calls the autoaim functions directly and the autoaim functions only return what was hit
I can tell you that there's 40 rays, and they shoot out in a 90 degree spread (vertical spread is 64 degrees, but it acts weird the further up or down you look) with a range of 1024 units

also, are you a bad enough dude to kill a cyberdemon while stuck in melee range? cuz I added a 256 unit platform to that map: https://files.catbox.moe/rbjezp.wad

>>5842069
This. I don't know why everyone shits on Doom II, when it's level design surpassed greatly the first Doom. Doom II has longer, complex levels than Doom I.

>>5842334
>when it's level design surpassed greatly the first Doom
Bigger =/= better

>>5842334
longer ≠ better

>>5842319
>brutal doom

>>5841863
As far as I know, yeah.
He had some cancer a year back or so, but crowdfunded chemo and apparently it went into remission and he's a lot better.

He did an interview or two a while back, talking about some of his experiences in his job back then, some about Doom, and addressing that widely held myth about Doom's music and its legality.

>>5841990
>>5842115
>>5842126
Just to be absolutely safe, we should probably maintain downloads for the original 1.0 version of Ion Fury even if updated versions are uploaded as well.

>>5842380
Some anons will probably look through the data after the patch anyway.

I like Chex Quest, I like rpg

>>5842382
Weeeeell there was a 30 something mb patch today

what's the best midi player?

>>5842398
I've switched over to the omnimidi driver with the spliced weedsgm4 soundfont: https://www.mediafire.com/file/er4klqrtv98joa6/SplicedWeedsGM4.sf2/file

>>5842402
what makes it better than virtualmidisynth? I've been using that one but I'm not sure if it's the best one

>>5842405
as far as I understand, most of what makes it better only matters to people who do more than listen to MIDIs
it has a cooler name, and that's good enough for me

>>5842398
Fluidsynth works just fine. Don't need any fancy stuff.

>>5842330
>vertical spread is 64 degrees
Isn't vertical spread realized in world units somehow, rather than degrees? I think I've read something like that on the Doom wiki, and have seen someone attributing most weapons' very horizontal spread to that (basically it would get tighter vertically the further you are because in fact it's only able to spread further to the sides while the height is fixed)

>>5842019
Probably worse.
The thing with Tom and Doom was that he was really set on the idea of telling a deeper story and focusing on realistic environments, when this wasn't really a suitable direction. The game as envisioned by him initially might have been pretty good, but it probably wouldn't have had nearly as strong gameplay.

When Tom left for Apogee and was put in charge of Rise Of The Triad (originally Wolfenstein 2), I think something clicked with him and he decided do a lot of things the opposite of what he tried for Doom, far less realism, make it less serious and mature, have story take a backseat, and since Doom decided to shed a lot of the old arcade baggage from Wolfenstein 3D, Tom went the other way to crank that shit up for ROTT, to make it even more different from Doom.
The result is a really violent and goofy shooter with a tone comparable classic Mortal Kombat, with gameplay like a bona fide arcade shmup, but as an FPS.

I'm incredibly happy that ROTT was made, and I think Tom leaving for other things was the best possible outcome, at the same time, what he did contribute to Doom that actually stuck was incredibly valuable, like teleporters, flying monsters, and a dozen levels which were well retrofitted to what Doom was destined to be.

>>5842054
If you're talking about ROTT, I think it's like Wolf3D but much better in basically every way.
On the expansion, Extreme Rise Of The Triad, I will actually recommend most people not play it, as it's actually rather obtuse and unfair, it's not challenging in a fun way.

>>5842481
no, it's definitely based off relative pitch

>>5842060
Doom 2 would probably have been so different that it wouldn't be easily comparable to what it is now.

>>5842069
>Dead Simple, Refueling Base, Circle of Death, Inmost Dens, and The Living End are all fantastic maps that rival even a lot of good pwad maps,
This is true, Doom 2, for its criticism, has a lot of very good maps.

>plus Refueling Base was originally a Tom Hall map. Generally speaking, maps that were started by Tom Hall and finished by Sandy Petersen were arguably where Petersen shat the bed the least
That's not how I'd put it, because Sandy is unironically a very good mapper. I will say that some of the best maps of Doom 1 are maps which he recycled from Tom, like E2M2, E2M4, E2M7, and E3M3, but Sandy also manufactured such maps from the ground up, without using Tom's leftovers, with E2M5 and E2M6.
A lot of Doom 2's best levels were by Sandy for that matter.

>>5842334
Because with Doom 2 Sandy got a way bigger workload dumped on him than he should have, so though he put together quite a lot of good maps, a few of them are really weak, it doesn't help that Shawn is a mediocre at best mapper, and Romero, who's actually a really good mapper, doing less maps than he did for Doom 1.

>>5842515
t. Sandy Petersen

>>5842524
I wish I was as chad as Sandy.

>>5842525
I admit that Sandy is a Chad, but not as Chad as any of the Casalis.

Poor Corzo, he has been drained of all his life energy
IF YOU GET WHAT I MEAN AMIRITE

>>5842387
nice, on 1.0 you can clip through trash cans of you crouch into them

>>5842538
I think he has way more kids, and grandkids, than they do, probably, also Plutonia was based heavily on the original Doom and Doom 2 maps, so it's part of Sandy's legacy as well.

Like if you start to look at Plutonia closer, most of it is based on iD maps.

>>5842271
Boom as we know it was "Phase 1" of a planned greater project by TeamTNT. Phase 2 was intended to be built off of ZDoom, but never went anywhere.

"Does BOOM have high resolution (640x480, etc.) video settings?"

"No, that didn't make it into Phase I. We were concerned about just turning on other resolutions without proper scaling of menus, status bar, etc. and so chose to defer that to Phase II when we'd have time to do it right."

>>5842515
I'd still genuinely like to see what Tom, Sandy and American could do with modern mapping stuff.

I'd probably care more than I did about Sigil, which got way overhyped for what it was.

I dunno how obvious or not it is, but.

A lot of Milo Casali's maps from Plutonia feature extreme amounts of fuckery with auto-aim distance.
Like, guys who successfully target you, but you can't target them, when in your favorite hiding spot / cover, due to difference in height, and auto-aim not working due to distance being too large.
Kinda like it was in Industrial Zone, but pushed to 11.
So what do you do? Do you just run there, tanking it, and dispose of fuckers as fast as you can?
Actually, there is another way. Rocket's splash component of the damage ignores the height difference. So, rocket launcher becomes the only tool capable of getting those fuckers without leaving the safety of your cover.
This basically makes your rockets the strategic reserve for Special Occasions only and takes them out of all the "ordinary" combat entirely. Especially on pistolstarts.
Therefore, all ordinary combat you do with everything other than rockets which MIGHT lead to some ammo shortage.
And you DO need to save up on those rockets, how else are you gonna splash that archvile tucked just there?

Anyway, what I wanted to say, Milo's part of Plutonia emphasizes a part of Doom's gameplay, that hasn't ever been utilized in its official campaigns: splash damage ignoring height difference.

>>5842604
I'd love to as well.
I found that Sigil was exactly what I expected it to be, so I wasn't disappointed.

>>5842623
I expected Sigil to be about average really, which is what it came across like to me. I never bought it being the official ep 5 thing, or the weird expectation that it was going to be ep 1 style maps.

Some of the maps seemed like afterthoughts / partial afterthoughts, particularly the secret level and the end section of the last map.

>>5842637
I expected something like Romero's E4 and Doom 2 work, not mindblowing by modern standards but pretty good.

>never bought it being the official ep 5 thing
It feels like an extended E4 to me, which is about the best I could have hoped for.
Official is a strong word with Doom. To me, the canon is more loose, if you pardon that pun.

>or the weird expectation that it was going to be ep 1 style maps
That was weird to me, to see people assume that's what it was gonna be.

>>5842641
Unfortunately it felt a lot more E4M2 than E4M6 to me, which is a shame because while they're both hard, E4M6 is a lot more interesting with its difficulty, and is just a more exciting map in general.

Who even decides what is and isn't the real E5, or "canon" with old Doom anyway?

>tfw ion fury is actually really fun
Well I'll be. I guess I ought to give these older fps another look. Probably will want to replay Doom and Duke 3D, and I've never even finished Doom 2 or Quack 2. Never tried Shadow Warrior or Blood. Pretty sure there's a bunch of other noteworthy stuff I'm forgetting, too.

>>5842667
Arguably it's id who gets to decide what is an official E5, it's their property after all.

Sigil is about as official as if anybody else from old id went and made a handful of maps and called it a megawad.

>>5842674
Considering that Willits is gone, isn't there not a single person working at id today who touched a Doom game before Doom 3?

>>5842019
Much worse. Look at the trainwreck of ROTT, that shows what Hall can do in the lead. It was a miserable, badly aged game.

Hate him or not, Romero made Doom to the game we liked.

>>5842678
I think there's like one audio dude left.

It's still property of the company even though id is basically a meat puppet being jiggled about by Zenimax to sell stuff off the back of nostalgia.

>>5842678
Kevin Cloud is still there, probably somewhere in the art department. I've heard Donna Jackson is still around, too.

>>5842606
I feel like there's a reason why it's not used. Infinite splash height can be useful, but it's
1) not intuitive at all, and it's extremely difficult to communicate that it's a thing with 1994 tech. And since it's really not obvious, the average player's reaction would be along the lines of "the fuck is this unfair bullshit?";
2) even when used, it feels less like a proper mechanic and more like a bug or an oversight. This would make the game's perception among the public worse.

>>5842667
>Who even decides what is and isn't the real E5, or "canon" with old Doom anyway?
The player who's currently playing whatever it is.

>>5842719
So I can decide Imp Encounter is canon?

>>5842724
I mean, it's your headcanon.

I love shelly's expression in this one

>>5842738
post Shelly ass

shots fired

>>5842738
i thought that artist quit arting

>>5842738
Now I want this as a Left 4 Dead 2 character pack

>>5842743
>Somewhere out there, there is an alternate timeline where Kyle Katarn's adventures are canonized as the third Star Wars trilogy

>>5842738
>using remake Lo Wang

>>5842758
I like him better than original Lo Wang, because I hate that voice a lot.

>>5842758
yeah, makes no sense because the new one never starred in a build engine game with functional toilets

>>5842738
sinks dont work in ion fury

Did Erik Alm ever say why he retired from Doom mapping, or did he just vanish?

>>5842767
i want to be shelly's functional toilet

>>5842764
you look like a stupid

>>5842767
this

>>5842767
He's supposed to be the same character.

>>5842782
What can I say? Duke's voice is golden and pleasing, classic Wang's voice is like nails on chalkboard to me.

>>5842792
your taste's shit m8

>>5842792
I like how he gets serious from time to time
IT IS NATURAL TO DIE

>>5842792
YOU HAVE NO HONOR

>>5842334
a lot of them were more gimmicky, brown looking and complicated
they were still memorable, even when they're at the lowest

>>5842792
sounds like someone doesn't wANTA SOME WANG

>>5842792
He’s not the same.

>>5842794
>>5842804
>>5842806
I know. It's just what I like.

>>5842808
He is, that was the plan, that he'd grow into him. Whether or not that will ever come to fruition now is dubious, given what a fucking awful mistake Shadow Warrior 2 was.
It's probably a different canon, though.

I'm not saying you guys have to love him, mind, just stating my own feelings.

>>5842738
>nu-wang

>>5842779
I'd also like to know.

>>5842056
It's really obscure but look for some other bars that have the same textures.

>>5842538
they are the sons of the "love is" cartoonist and one has a controversial birth story or something
i wonder if she lived long enough to see her songs being associated with doom

>>5842792
>He's supposed to be the same character.
No, the reboot uses different characters, being a fucking reboot and all.

>>5841989
>Build is custom license and is free for non-commercial use
>The very similar Jedi Engine, however, is fully proprietary
WHY?

>>5841989

>>5842847
Because Lucasarts and now Disney.

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1166408936834158592

Looking forward for Carmack to tell Joe the battle axe stroy

>>5842857
ORBB

is shelly dukes girlfriend

Why does doom not have 10-point or 25-point armor pickups similar to the stimpack and medkit? The only pickups for armor are 1, 100, or 200 points.

>>5842832
It was most likely meant as a back story where he would grow into the kind of character that OG Wang was.

>>5842892
Because you get armor bonuses instead.

>>5842890
I imagine Shelly would be the abusive drunkard gf in that dynamic

>>5842857
this guy also did a night sentinel themed berserk box
https://twitter.com/Xous54/status/1165102666701312000

Recommend me some wads, I've completed doom 1 and doom 2 and feel like playing more because they are so fucking fun, should I give plutonia and tnt a go? Already finished sigil with the buckethead soundtrack and had a blast, also tried pirates and fistful but didn't finish them, they looked cool though

>>5842904
moonblood
tnt revilution
plutona 2/revisited
200/300 minutes of /vr/
doom 2 reloaded
doom 1/2 the way id did
good morning phobos
memento mori
requiem
back to saturn x
japanese community project
phobosdeimos anomaly
epic 1/2
going down
alien vendetta
the rebirth
jenesis
scythe 1/2
uac ultra

what is NAM

>>5842909
a lesser known Build game.

>>5842904
TNT and Plutonia are good, if you handled Sigil's difficulty fine then you should be ready for them, no question.
Otherwise check out the Doom The Way Id Did series: DTWID, DTWID: Lost Episodes, and D2TWID, they're based around emulating iD Software's style in Doom and Doom 2.

Also check No Rest For The Living, though Nerve software suck at porting Doom to consoles, they did make a rock solid little episode to include in some of those ports, and it can be played on PC.

>>5842915
I would like to know more.

>>5842895
And he really did grow in SW 2013. Too bad writers forgot about that in the next game.

>>5841996
Best advice I ever heard with two-shotting the Cybie:

Fire the BFG once the 2nd rocket is fired. By the time the blast leaves your weapon, the third rocket should have just sailed past.

>>5842883
Kind of excited actually.
Will it be streamed live?

>>5842923
>based around emulating iD's style
I'm skeptical of this. I mean, what even is iD's style supposed to be? Doom 1/2's maps often felt very different from each other, I didn't get a sense of a signature style out of them as a whole

>>5842546
I can't believe it! Corzo's an argentinian zombie! I also can't believe that Danny is a cyborg zombiejew! And why is Daina looking like a fish? Why is Thi a crazy granny? WHY ALL OF THEM ARE GRANNIES?! 0/10 would not slay demons with, but would eat cookies.

>>5842968
that's probably just the art style
works better with the artist's own characters, in their mods i guess
reminds me of that one splatoon artist that is really good at drawing squids and octos but when drawing characters outside of that, you can see that they're not used to something outside of that area
veemo or something

>>5842929
Yeah, the plot was actually halfway decent, and though there's gaps and issues, particularly with Lo Wang himself, the story with Hoji and Ameonna was pretty good.

And then Shadow Warrior 2 takes a big fat shit on all of that, on top of being a VASTLY less fun game with shit enemies and shit maps, devolving into a cutrate Borderlands clone, a fucking blase lootershooter.
Lo Wang's new support character was intended as a morality pet, which I think has to be the absolute worst and misguided idea you could actually apply to a character like Lo Wang, especially given that the base idea is that he'll grow into the vicious and sadistic one man mercenary warlord that he is in the original game.
Hoji worked so well because he was a similar kind of foul playing bastard to Lo Wang (and also because he took every opportunity to mock him and make fun of him for being an idiot).
Even if Lo Wang wasn't intended to be evil, like Caleb, he was never a goody two shoes kind of protagonist.
I think the cherry on top of the shit sundae is that the cool sword the first game centers around is made a joke out of and turned into a complete shit and generic powerup item, and you at best can unlock a mediocre replica of it through a DLC that can't do any of the magic and is gold plated for no reason.

>>5842546
Daina looks like she's fallen on hard times.

>>5842968
I can certainly tell you that Corzo is not black enough to be one of us
but yeah Diana looks like she spent her whole life doing shitty pornos for peanuts

>>5842924
Some unbalanced mess based on the original DN3D code. Can be fun at times, but prepare to abuse quicksaves.

In the third level of Marathon, if you go up the service elevator and look on the right side wall for a secret door, you'll find a giant chasm with enemies in it and a teleporter pad up off the ground, you have to grenade jump up to it, then it will take to you an isolated secret room where you read about Gherritt White, a guy who has nothing to do with the rest of the story, but it is an interesting story, nonetheless.

>>5842996
That room is such utter bullshit.

>>5842960
The original pitch was to make maps which if someone told you they were an unused or lost map from the original Doom, made in 1993, would convincingly look as such. To look just like something Sandy, Shawn, or Romero would have made for 1993 era computers (and also what Sandy would probably have done with a hypothetical Tom level scrap), and with their 1993 era design sensibilities, to specifically emulate the style of each map author.
Likewise for Doom 2, adding American to that formula.

I'd say it's worth checking out, if you liked the original games you might appreciate them some. D2TWID is pretty much better than the original Doom 2, which I say as someone who actually likes Doom 2, and think some people exaggerates its flaws.

>>5842546
This Square is quite unnerving

Why the hell nobody uploaded this yet? Or am I blind?
https://mars3d-game.wixsite.com/index

>>5843065
Is that even legal? I mean them selling it.

>>5843065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDBUzMuSKyo

probably because it looks like absolute dog shit.

>>5843129
>KIISU MAI ASS
>KIISU MAI ASS
>DAYM ET

>>5843129
KISSU MAI ES

>>5843129
...and people still complain about the build games.

Redpill me on DOOM 64, worth playing the pc source port? I hear mixed opinions but never played it

>>5843183
I'd rather play that and Hacx than Tekwar and Paintbrawl

>>5843107
No, I think it was made with a reverse engineered Doom, before the source code was released, and it has some assets out of Duke Nukem 3D if I'm not mistaken.

>>5843183
TekWar is a lot better, for the fact that it works and is playable, but it's still a dogshit game.

How do I trenchbroom Hexen 2?

Noob here, going to use PRBoom+

I noticed Decino mentions what comp level he's using for his doom videos. What happens if I don't set it and just leave complevel at default? Will I be getting behaviour that shouldn't be happening in the vanilla maps? Or does the program detect what WAD it's using and then apply the correct complevel for it automatically?

>>5843192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

>>5842174
Plutonia is fun with the right mindset.
I feel the same when it comes to it's "artificial difficulty", but I'd say that it's more tedious than anything.
There are harder ways around anyways.

>>5841989
How do I use a custom soundfont on Crispy Doom?

I only know how to load prerecorded SC-55 OGG files on it, but I don't know how to tell it to use the Emperor Grieferus soundfont, or even if it's possible to tell it to use Fluidsynth. Anyone know?

>>5843205
open trenchbroom, create new map, select game format hexen 2
add -hexen2 to the arguments for qbsp.exe (map compiler)
voila

>>5843221
>dd -hexen2 to the arguments for qbsp.exe (map compiler)

Oh I see.

>>5843206
You'll probably get some inaccuracies on default settings in how things work compared to other compmodes.

This'll give you a rundown of what each mode tries to replicate: https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/PrBoom

>>5843129
It's amusing to guess what game each of the graphics was stolen from. The pistol is definitely the DN3D pistol with some sci-fi looking plastic flaps added.
>>5843183
Yes, and? Will you lower your standards to nil if I code a shittier version of Wolfenstein 3D for you?

>>5843241
Can you fuck off, autistic spaz?

>>5843237
But for normal casual play, PRBoom+ on the default -1 compatibility setting is the way to go right? Since it uses the most recent bug fixes and whatnot

>>5843221
I understood the tutorial for quakespasm pretty easy I think.

But for Hexen 2 I suppose i need to do the same. Put the data1 folder and portals and respective paks.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/half-life/reviews/reviewerId,3250/
is he right?

Has anyone here solved the red keycard puzzle in Frozen Exuviae? (dobu_gm's submission for Joel's Doom Mapping Contest 2) I'm trying to go through all the maps in order and I really want to beat this one the legit way but this puzzle makes no sense to me.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/quake/reviews/reviewerId,3250/

>>5843065
>doomguy and duke in the cover
>cyberdemon rip off

>>5843129
>satan world
>yautja from predator
lmao what even is this
I'M DOWN

>>5843190
doom64 ex?
yea it's good
just remember that win10 players need a mouse fix patch

>>5843357
Imagine being killed by THAT wtf is he holding? a giant carrot with blood on it?

>>5843383
It's the Rapid Assault Weapon from Blake Stone. They didn't change even that.

Imagine being named American.

>>5843129
A bit like a Chinese knockoff car.
It kinda looks like it's cobbled together from three or four western cars, but it operates like a soviet-era field tractor.

>>5843402
Or Obnard.

Prove him wrong>>5843345
>>5843302

>>5842896
>Shelly
>not Lara Croft
Why are you denying the truth.

>>5843472
lara is Duke's wife
shelly is his side girl

> INTERGALACTIC ANTI-DECONSTRUCTIONISTS
> SMEAR LEMONS IN YOURSELF AND ZOMBIES WON'T KNOW YOU'RE ALIVE

these books were very confusing to me at age 12

>>5843487
So why is Lara all chained up in Shadow Warrior?

so I heard that people from /vr/ dislike brutal doom, is it true and why?

>>5842705
I wholeheartedly agree with you on both points.

That being said,for me, IndustrialZone-dness + "infinite splash height" are some of the most core, defining features of Plutonia, that truly give it its own flair. Far from the ONLY defining features, naturally.

>>5843129
based video game protagonist

>>5843519
Brutal Doom was made by a group of black men, and /vr/ hates the colored people

>>5843579
BD was made by a Brazilian sperglord who hates women for some reason

>>5843497
She's into kinky stuff

>>5843519
Vr is a good guy, he loves brutal doom

Why were there still 2.5D games after 1996?

>>5843585
>some reason
>brazilian
there's your reason

>>5843602
The engines were cheaper and easier to work with than the fully 3D engines in the late 90s, as well as far less intensive, which just broadens your potential market.

>>5843519
use /vr/ archives from warosu and desuarchive
you'll find answers along with reposted links and screenshots

>>5843472
Fuck nu lara this is my thicc brunette right here.

>>5843603
Sure are a lot of men who love pretending to be one tho over there.

>>5843493
That looks pretty cool. Why cant we do stupid art like this anymore?

>>5843602
It was lighter on the hardware side, less expensive to produce and the licensing costs for the newest latest engine was a huge financial burden for small and mid sized studios.

Unpopular opinion: Duke Nukem wasn't that great and is overrated. It's like the "Back in Black" of FPS games.

>>5843619
Everything has to be realistic now...but on the other hand it's not, it's shit and bland

>>5843629
If that's how you feel

>>5843635
You're really not allowed to take risks now since companies burn too much money in development, so everything gets to be bland, samey shit that gets marketed to hell and back with a bigger marketing budget than the development budget.

>>5843519
brutal doom is the fucking nickelback of doom mods, that's why

>>5843629
If you said that about halo or hl, I would be sure who cares even if I love hl.

But that is just simply your opinion. Duke is fucking legendary.
And it actually aged amazing.

>>5843646
There is market fearfulness but also something more. Aesthetics changed. Cutesy fags in indie scene all around.

>>5842369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMviJll6JZE

>>5843656
I'm sure "Back in Black" has aged amazingly too.

>>5843661
I dont know anon. I played Duke for the first time last year and loved it.
I played tons of quake and unreal but the first fps to really glue me was Thief.

Over the years I went back I played tons of shit I played just a bit and liked or never even touched and I loved Duke.

It's actually fucking great going back and replaying stuff you only sometimes had in demos, games had tons of personality. I played Outwars recently and I liked it a lot as well. Halo should have been in the Outwars universe.

But you have your opinion so.

>>5843129
Still, surprised that nobody who cared enough to buy it dumped it online

>>5843129
>>5843065
Here you go
https://onedrive.live.com/?id=8F5DF51324362A68%21477&cid=8F5DF51324362A68

Refute it>>5843302
>>5843345

>>5843686
based, fuck mega nz and fuck google

autist here
been wanting to play through all the build engine games for a long time, replayed duke nukem and wanted to play shadow warrior but the thing has a lot of shitty problems on my end and honestly i've heard nothing but mixed things on it. been enjoying blood though since i just got it working.
basically, is shadow warrior worth playing through? i've seen a lot of people shit on it

>>5843719
Play through the game on the easiest difficulty and figure out enemy spawns, map puzzles, objectives, etc.
then come back and play it on one of the harder difficulties.

WHERE THE FUCK IS HUH right here actually
Forgive me, my child.

https://mega.nz/#!znJVlAiJ!CfsIcjb1Z_hDcesCaUKOkCcRJlgUhLmf49T6RVYCbUU


-Recompiled a bunch of maps with either instructions given me by the mappers or basic stuff like -soft
-Changed the order so blacast will be on the second batch of levels
-Fixed the teleporter for Ribcage
-Removed the texture wads since I was told it was not necessary to include them
-no other mayor changes

I wanted to a gag map for when you complete everything instead of booting right back at the start map but I'd rather just wrap this up before this ends up being Mordred: Quake Edition.

Assuming no more bugs are found I'm uploading this to Quaddicted.

what subgenre of fps is doom?
>Labyrinth Shooter
>Doom clone
>key hunt
>classic FPS
>2.5Dcore

>>5843748
huh

>>5843750
Doom is a Doom clone, obviously.

>>5842174
>I played the hard wad on the hard setting and it was too hard for me

>>5843765
NOOOO BRADDUU PRITTU

is quake 1 MP worth playing with pleb friends or should I go straight to 3? if yes is there a way to remove ezquake's ugly ass textures?

>>5843780
If u got N64 or PS1 try doing Quake 2 multiplayer splitscreen on one system / TV
Good times

>>5843780
Quake 3 and unreal tournament were so good and designed for MP it's hard to recommend anything when they are available imho

>>5843795
we're doing LAN stuff
>>5843827
guess I'll get q3 then, what else should I get?

>>5843629
I'm playing Duke for the first time now and I'm really fucking impressed by insane interactivity and how levels change as you progress through them with all the shit constantly exploding. Also giving player shrinking gun and jetpack is pretty based.
Fuck hitscanners and fuck bullet sponge kamikaze drones though.

>>5843472

>>5843748
Hell yeah

>>5842865
If only fans would petition on change.org, petition.com or petition.org to Disney to seriously consider making the Jedi Engineand maybe also the Sith Engine to be not propretary.

>>5841996
>>5842330
>Is there a mod for GZDoom that paints the tracers shooting from the player so they're visible in-game for a couple seconds

Gave it a shot with code based on the original A_BFGSpray(), it doesn't like decoration actors tho as for some reason they don't let some tracers spawn particle trails. Comes with two boolean cvars: "bfg_oldspray" to revert the spray to its original functionality and "bfg_laggysfx" to turn on an alt trail that tanks really hard at least on my rig.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wir35Pq1h_-mpMj0SdDhs1393OpuGxGt

>>5842743
I feel very sad now.

>>5843748
Did you submit it to func_?

>>5844028
Not yet, I'm holding off for a bit just in case somebody spots something broken

>>5842757
Kyle Katarn should have been in Rouge One imo.

>>5844098
They probably would have made him boring anyway.

>>5843939
Damn thats amazing man

>>5843129
Shit I remember this. Still waiting for Mars3D guy in Samsara

>>5843719
I've always felt that Shadow Warrior had too many enemies that look similar, but are all over the place in terms of power.
I love the weapons, though.

Any tips when designing a maze level for Doom? Do I make it super cruel by disabling it from appearing on the map?

>>5844278
>Do I make it super cruel by disabling it from appearing on the map?
only if you want everyone to use iddt the moment they look at the automap and see nothing

>>5842174
>'artificial difficulty: the iwad'
If Plutonia was the original game, I'd understand calling it Artificial Difficulty. It heavily demands for the player to know the ins and outs of the monsters and having awareness of common doom gameplay tropes right from the word go.
But its not the original game. It was a standalone expansion for the sequel. By that point, plenty of people had mastered the original and sequel, with some of them even wanting for a much greater challenge. Plutonia was designed with such players in mind.

>>5844278
including literal mazes are generally frowned upon, from what I've seen.

>>5844278
My tip would be to look at how "mazes" and the like are implemented in the original games and classical megawads. Typically, they're not structured in the way that a pencil maze would be, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, traversing an actual maze in first person is a fucking chore even with a minimap. Secondly, people who want to max, or even just want to check everywhere to make sure they don't miss obvious monsters will have to spend an inordinate amount of time checking every single passageway, and if there aren't any monsters to miss, it just makes the maze tedious.

Instead, "mazes" are typically small sections of a few branching pathways that lead into each other, E1M2 is a perfect example. Design can certainly be "maze-like" and still work, an entire level can be a kind of maze, but an actual just flat out maze doesn't work well, and isn't fun.

>>5844278
Don't forget to put archies behind every door

>>5844278
My tip is: don't. Or like the other anon said, make a level maze themed and not an actual maze. Make a mazelike level that doesn't give the player frustration of being in an actual maze.
Mazes are hard to navigate especially when everything looks the same. In my opinion, to avoid someone playing for 5 minutes and then going on to post that your level is shit, you should add zome oints of reference to your map - some landmarks, differently colored rooms, etc. The perfect maze would be one a player gets lost in at first, but can easily resolve.
I'd take inspiration from Thief's The Sword, it's a good demonstration of abovementioned points

>>5844278
Add Verticality and make the path wider than just a few inches.
Even if it's a dead end, put something there or let it lead to a secret. Keeps it from being frustrating.

>>5844348
A maze that drops some walls are you progress. Not much left in the end.

>>5841989
>>5841990
where's the backup of ion fury? i must be blind because i don't see it in any of the links

>>5844356
*as

>>5844357
Dig a little harder.

>>5844359
>i must be blind because i don't see it in any of the links
Why are you being a cunt?

>>5844362
What engine does Ion Fury use, anon?

>>5844356
Or opens up some walls as you progress. What used to be lengthy sections is later joined by convenient shortcuts.
Just whatever you do, please don't put archviles inside the walls that are going to open. I beg you, don't make them activate by hearing a gunshot while the player still can't see them. Don't let it get in your head that you could put them in there along with some items to reward the player.

>>5844373
just make the walls themselves archviles

If a mapset is designed for co-op on UV, is it okay to play it with respawning ammo and health for singleplayer?

>>5844373
What about an archvile that the player can see when they wake up, but teleports to inside the walls and opens them up from the inside?

>>5844373
>convenient shortcuts
Yes, this.

>>5844357
https://mega.nz/#F!Hw0w0AQK!iTM7UwNEqZOlTR2TGb_piA

>>5843838
I never understood why people had problems with drones. They are easily baited into door frames or near edges, they explode but their damage type is hitscan and can't reach your.

>>5843629
What a strange person

>>5843675
Outwars is another game that passed me, despite constantly seeing ads for it back then.
Got a link to a complete ISO? Does it run on modern 64 bit systems?

>>5843129
Honestly the spritework doesn't look... appalling?

>>5844401
https://www.old-games.ru/game/download/298.html

The site is reliable and can be trusted.
It's not an ad-ridden shitfest and has only one basic google-provided (and thus easily blockable by default adblock) ad.

It has pretty much every known 80-90's PC game that was released in english, and quite a few european/asian titles that were never translated/released outside of their home country. Also has quite a few unreleased/prototype games.
And russian games, obviously. Most games have image/iso of the original CD and a rip version.

There's a flag in the upper right corner that changes interface language to english. Does not change the reviws/summaries obviously.

not to be confused with "oldgames.ru" which IS an unwieldy ad-ridden shitfest

>>5844436

>>5844408
Because it's mostly taken from other games?

>>5844436
Thanks!

>>5844447
I mean the edits are not too shabby. The starting pistol is neat looking.

>>5844380
Depends on what you mean by "designed for co-op".
IIRC, Some levels in Memento Mori for example have moments that were designed with two players minimum, and often had to include workarounds for single player. Such workarounds would be unavailable if played in solo-net, making it impossible to finish without sequence breaking.

>>5844465
I'm actually playing through Memento Mori right now, with Final Doomer and Legion of Bones on Hard Doubledeath, these two mods synergize so well I'm telling you.
As I understand it, don't the maps have a singleplayer switch you can hit that makes all the 2 player puzzles solvable with one player? Though I was referring moreso to mapsets with combat encounters designed for two players, where you'd probably have respawning items anyway.

>>5841990
when is huh getting official release, I have the one from like 2 weeks ago, but I fear there might be some changes

>>5844542
>>5843748
install eyes.exe

>>5844549
cheers :3

>>5842679
>Look at the trainwreck of ROTT, that shows what Hall can do in the lead. It was a miserable, badly aged game
Philistine.

>>5842678
Kevin Cloud, who was Doomguy's arms, and did a lot of graphical and design stuff.

>>5843629
Your taste is also incredibly bad.

>>5844278
Don't make it large. Hunted is about the upper limit IMO.

There's a .wad someone uploaded here back in like February, it was almost scrapped until someone saw WIP screenshots and asked to play it, and then the guy finished it and uploaded it.
It was like five or six maps, and it actually had a branching path and everything, it was seriously good.
Anyway, if someone finds it, it had a couple of small labyrinths in one level, and I think they were a good example of how to do mazes for Doom, make them a modest part of a larger map.

>>5844571
When's the next /vr/ doom project anyway, hasn't it been two years since the last one?

>>5844579
I'd be down for another /vr/ Quake project myself

still hunting for the last secret from lumber lordosis, any hints?

https://twitter.com/Baron_o_Spirals/status/1165677852085411843?s=19

Idea for a gameplay mod
voiced by our favorite crazy pastor Jesse Lee Petersen

>>5844362
use your brain dumbass

>>5841990
>[8-25] Final Doomer 3.1 releases with Hellbound, Alien Vendetta, and Whitemare-themed weapon sets
>no sunlustguy or sunderguy
still fun tho

>>5844527
Usually wads use Multiplayer Only flags for combat designed with Co-op in mind. And I'm sure it'll be fine to solo-net that, as usually they just add Cyberdemons or Spidermasterminds.

>>5844714
I was just talking about playing Memento Mori on UV and hitting the respawning items option in gzdoom desu

>>5844527
>As I understand it, don't the maps have a singleplayer switch you can hit that makes all the 2 player puzzles solvable with one player?
Thats if you play single player. Nultiplayer will often place objects in the way of them to force coop players to do the 2 player puzzles. Hence why solo-net is probably not a good idea for Memento Mori

>>5844725
Ah yeah. Well, the combat without solo-net is pretty balanced for single player, so probably won't need that enabled, but you do you.

>>5844673
>mfw someone shitposts doom in italy
https://twitter.com/Baron_o_Spirals/status/1165727098176229376

>>5844730
I'm sure it is playing vanilla, Legion of Bones on Double Death is another matter though.

>>5844579
Could be nice. Definitely gotta make it Boom.
We've done speedmapping, 100min, 200min, 300min, but I think it'd be nice to see if we could put together some maps in a longer timespan, maybe a month or two.

>>5844587
On the other hand, I wouldn't oppose some more Quake either, I had genuinely forgot how damn fun the game was until I played it again this year.

>>5844579
/vr/y spooky never

>>5844738
Yes, that was cancelled for a bullshit reason
>waaah somebody i didn't like made a map completely unsalvagable stop the project reeee repugnus repugnus shit on your project

How do you guys do SR50 in Doom?
Do you use the default game's keybinds to do so, or have you found ways to make it less awkward?

I want to get into speedrunning, but my control setup is fairly modern (WASD), so I fear I may never really be able to SR50.

>>5841990
>>5843748

>>5841989
Just found this piece of art.

>>5841990
>Final Doomer 3
Which new weapon set is the best?

>>5844802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3AnETChjA

I found a random darts in Ion Maiden that can gib all common enemies
I tried it much earlyer with a different darts and it did literally no damage

I just noticed Romero advertises SIGIL on his website using Brutal Dewm.
https://www.romerogames.ie/
Why, why would you do that

>>5844808
if you touch electrical outlets you get a small zap too

>>5844812
It’s his WAD, he can do what he wants with it.

>>5844826
I know he can do it
But why would he

>>5844802
>Seems you had fallen in my trick and now you're angry

>>5844812
because he's a washed up idiot who thinks he's the reason doom was a success
protip: tom hall and sandy had better maps than he ever did.

>>5844408
Chinks are not dumb. They are just insectoid soulless husks.

>>5844436
Nice. GoG also did a lot to preserve shit but then really obscure games fall in the cracks. Flawed games like Messiah that for some weird reason I love. Late 90s games man.

>>5844451
Hope you like it, it's pretty enjoyable with tons of verticality and weapons.

>>5844831
damn, relax, son

>>5844831
Tom Hall's maps were rejected for not working and were retooled by Sandy into good stuff, and Romero is at least as good as Sandy at mapping, just not nearly as productive.

>>5843748
Fuck yes!

>>5844831
He's damn well part of that reason, just like the other guys you can see where his method and his personality left its mark all over the game.

>>5841989
imp butt lookin kinda thicc

>>5844831
He kinda is.
It was the map building principles he postulated that led to Doom level design being vastly superior than anything that existed prior. Without those, Doom levels wouldve been much worse.

>>5844861
>map building principles he postulated
Not him, but what are these? Are they still followed nowadays?

>>5844864
>b-but romero's princibles!
Horseshit. Go look at E1 and tell me he followed them. Ill-fitting textures and misalignments everywhere.
>b-but nitpicking!
Go fuck yourself.

>>5844864
Always change floor height when changing floor textures.
Use special border textures between different wall segments and doorways.
Be strict about texture alignment.
Conscious use of contrast everywhere in a level between light and dark areas, cramped and open areas.
Make sure that if a player could see outside that they should be able to somehow get there.
Be strict about designing several secret areas on every level.
Show player the door, before showing them the key/switch to open that door (this is a VERY important part as it is the base for the backtrack through known areas and interconnectivity that is essential for good map)
Making levels flow so the player will revisit areas several times so they will better understand the 3D space of the level.
Creating easily recognizable landmarks in several places for easier navigation.

These are the basis for every good map out there, so yes. They are still followed nowadays. There's more to a good map than that, but if you follow the above rules, you are pretty much guaranteed at least "okay" map.

>>5844874
a-anon I think you replied to the wrong person, I was just asking a question

>>5844874
>implying it somehow invalidates the principles themselves

>>5844874
stay mad, anon

>>5844881
>Implying it doesn't

>>5844812
???

>>5844876
Antiquated dogma and people follow it without question.
Create and invent your own style. Don't just follow what's been set before you.

>>5844886
>>5844812
I know he tweeted this anon, that's why I'm even more confused

Why say that, and then showcase your """""""megawad""""""" with gameplay of Brutal Dewm in your website?

>>5844886
>the megawad
>it's not a megawad
Opinion discarded

>>5844886
>Megawad
>9 maps
>Mega
>9
>Nine

Why didn't he just say "it's an episode" or "it's a mapset". Why did he have to call it a MEGAwad. 9 is not 32

Hey guise, if I make a WAD with two maps, can I call it a megawad? :)

>>5844887
Okay so...

1) Using different floor textures and heights is the bare minimum of detailing. If you don't do this your map will be flat and boring.
2) Connection without border textures looks ugly.
3) Texture alignment - nuff said.
4) If you dont use light levels, your map will have flat uniform shading, that's ugly.
5) Map without secrets... again, boring
6) Giving player the key before they encounter the door is entirely pointless, the key looses its purpose
7) level without landmarks is completely unmemorable
etc. etc.

Enjoy your wolf-tier samy looking mazes, I guess.

>>5844874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YQ639mxxXk

>>5844874

>>5844894
Hey guys, if I force the rest of the team to rush and make shit in a deadline with features that I don't announce and fire you for not properly displaying features that aren't even around when you started working can I take all the fame and credit?

>>5844904

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YQ639mxxXk

>>5844812
Because someone ALWAYS asks if it works with that

>>5844927
So you tell them to go fuck themselves, easy

>>5842604
Sigil was great, only butthurt circlestrafe warriors hated it.

Anyone know where to find a rip of Hexen 2? I basically only need the data files because i'll be using Hammer of Thyrion port. It's not in the OP mega links, and i only managed to find a .bin file on archive.org (need virtual disk mounter)

>>5844930
But he needs to recruit more bitches so he can make more crowdfunded video games

>>5844937
>circlestrafe warriors
What is this insult referring to
People who get angry when they can't circlestrafe every encounter?

>>5844937
>Sigil
>Great
Pick one
>extremely low ammo
>extremely low health
>encounter design makes no sense
>nothing new, exciting or original
>texture use is incredibly unimaginative
>level design excessively lazy
>samey appearance to all levels
>placement is just tacked on
>Only gets by due to the merits of Romero

>>5844941

>>5844436
https://www.old-games.ru/game/download/138.html

>>5844947
>can't git gud
>can't use brain
>born to die

>>5844941
What's this? Another anon why didn't read the OP?

>>5844957
>shitty maps
>git gud
Talk to me after playing through Sunder on UV fuckhead

>>5844887
They're not dogma, they're logical conclusions for level design.

>>5844948
Thanks for dropping the link, i'll see if i can extract the .pak files from there

>>5844969
dog·ma
/ˈdôɡmə/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: dogma; plural noun: dogmas

a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

>>5844941
There is a version with lot of stuff included in hexenworld dot org.

Gonna play Doom 3 for the first time finally, kind of excited

>>5844985
It would be better if it wasn't stupidly dark, but the combat is kind of built around that fact however...

>>5844948
You want this site to repeat underground-gamer's fate? Yeah, yeah, it's the next best thing since sliced bread, now can you please show a modicum of self-restraint?

>>5844947
You forgot attempting to redefine what is a megawad.

I played Sigil through twice, I don't feel I'll ever had a need to play it again. There are much better matters in the community than Romero, and I don't feel Sigil deserves an easy time because it's his.

It'll still get a Cacoward.

>>5844995
>It'll still get a Cacoward.
Out of spite?

>>5845006
Nah, it's not Lilith, it'll get one because it's by Romero and they desperately want to encourage him to make more.

>>5845008
They already gave him a vanity cacoward once. if they put it in the top ten they'll have to at least pretend to give a reason why it is worthy.

>>5845019
They'll probably ride the "official episode 5" line as hard as possible.

>>5844991
I expected worse lightning wise. I went with mods but it's still the original version, any more would be overkill I think, glad I didn't buy the BFG edition
What's annoying is the fucking stutters

>>5844974
Right, so why don't you break down each point why they're bad?

>>5844995
>redefine what is a megawad.
The traditional requirement to be a megawad was always a minimum of 15 maps. No distinction is made beyond that. Sigil has 9 singleplayer/co-op maps and 9 deathmatch layouts, so it has a total of 18 maps, so it's a megawad. Romero didn't try to redefine anything, you redefined megawad yourself thinking it only ever referred to full 32 map replacements.

ogay!

>>5844893
>>5844894
Just gonna chime in with the fact that a megawad doesn't have to be 32 levels or three full episodes.
Not that this makes Sigil count as one in my opinion.

>>5844947
AHAHA

>>5845051
He needlessly blurred the line by putting the deathmatch arenas on the same maps, technically making them the same levels.
I don't understand why he did that.

I've seen an album with five songs.
Sigil is a megawad.

>>5844947
>>5844995
Then go back to play your shitty shaughterwads only some basement dwellers care about.

>>5845062
>I don't understand why he did that.
Now that you mention it, i don't either. I guess because it was meant to be another episode as opposed to two episodes where one is a weird dm only ep.

>>5845064
Who cares if it's a megawad or not? It's an entertaining, classic style mapset with competent design, dark atmosphere and interesting layouts. It also didn't overstay its welcome. Comparing it to shitstorm like Ancient Aliens is like comparing Mozart with Dimmu Borgir.

>>5845081
>He seriously just called Ancient Aliens a shitstorm and compared it to Dimmu Borgir

That's a paddlin'.

>>5845081
Dimmu Borgir is honestly better than Mozart.

>>5841989
Doom 1, Doom 2, Duke 3D, or Heretic but you play as Ronald Mcdonald fighting the forces of the Burger King. The default melee weapon would be a kick instead of fist(or in Heretic's case, wood rod replaced by a slap) and all ranged weapons save for the first 2 would be altered cosmetically, such as the Rocket Launcher having Mcdonald's logo and plasma rifle shooting purple energy.

>>5845102
do it yourself faggot

>>5845102
So Chex Quest, but for McDonald's?

>>5844894
Hey guise, my adopted mulatto son needs a new Ferrari. Please buy my Megawad. :^)

>>5845123
How does the ethnicity of the son have anything to do with the joke

>>5845127
if you miscegenate, you're a söycuck

>>5845114

>>5845152
I thought the nazis crawled back into their hole

>>5845160
I thought you stopped replying to yourself.

>>5845170
But I'm not

>>5845176
>inspect element

>>5841989
Im currently on a classic fps crusade and recently played Ashes 2063 and Hedon. I loved both of them and had more fun with them then with Amid Evil and Iron Fury . Are there any more great doom total conversions one should play?

>>5845184
Yes, what about it? Show me the proof
I wish I was replying to my self tbqh, instead of the alternative

>>5845160
>NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS THEY'RE ALL OUT TO GET ME !!

>>5845191
What is the most charitable interpretation of "mixing with other races is bad"? Please enlighten me

shut up.
both of you.

>>5845204
MEIN LEBEN

>>5844894
Guise, please. I really need that money. Consider buying a second and third copy of Sigil, the Mexican mafia will break my thumbs...

>>5845152
>Still misusing the words cuck and S-O-Y. This is just getting out of hand. the term soiboy is just being thrown around at people and things that the one saying it doesn't like FAR TOO MUCH!

>>5845208
They were lame since their inception

>>5845207
Good shop

the amount of autism these threads possess is astonishing

>>5845214
Where do you think you are

>>5845192
I wish there was a word for that. Something sounding similar to, say, "sexist", but with race.
"Nazi" is a really tired and overused epithet, and it also outs you as a member of a certain group/culture which still uses it unironically. Surely you do realize that various groups have their preferred vocabularies that they use to identify themselves? People using "sôĩ" arguably also identify within a group that uses the word.

>>5845218
Ok Hans

>>5845152
Cringe.

>>5845186
Pirate Doom

>>5845221
Oh shit he's Han Gruber? Where the fuck is that Nakatomi Plaza map?

>>5845218
The word has no power or meaning anymore. I laugh IRL at people using it. Everyone's a Nazi so no one is.

>>5845247
>I laugh IRL at people using it.
Good for you?
Now how about some Doom

>>5845243
But I already pirated Doom

what do you think hitler's feet smell like haha

>>5845250
I'm in

>>5845254
Good, now get Pirate Doom

>>5841989
>>5841990
So they're censoring F4GB4G, but keeping OGAY? Is this correct?

If that's the case then the next thread should probably be updated to specify that so there's no confusion.

>>5845186
Amid Evil looks like crap and Ion fury is just stale but Hedon is not really much better.

Ashes was quite fun however.

>>5845186
Adventures of Square.

Is it just me, or does Beautiful Doom look and sound very...tacky?

Like, I like some of the things it includes, but it's bundled together with so much shit.

>>5845267
That seems to be the case.

>>5845267
I really like how Shelly's mouth opens when voice lines are playing.

KISU MAI ES
OGAY

>>5845278
We need porn of her and the Control bitch.
To give some character to them.

>>5845287
>t. Cumbrain Waifufag

>>5845272
Yeah, kinda.

>>5845293
Don't be mean I am sure there wont be any.
Nobody cares about them.

What is the hardest single map in id's officially released maps?

E4M2? E4M6? Or another one?

>>5845293

>>5841989

Are demons conscious or is it just instinct? Does hell have a hierarchy and economy? Who does one do as a demon in hell all day?

>>5845280
DAYMEET

>>5845297
In maps released by iD? Probably one of the maps from The Plutonia Experiment, but if you meant made by them, I'll put my money on E4M2, just because of what a bitch the start is on UV.