/vr/ - Retro Games

I can't tell any difference, I just play the games.

Remember to never fall for the scart meme.

this post is dedicated to the diamond pro

Reminder, pic related is where Pro Monitors belong.

>>5820649
IDK man
If you get one cheap then I'd go for it.

They are way too expensive for what they do on ebay, though. And IMO 20" high-TVL AG sets don't look that great. Tri-dot pro monitors and old Amiga/Atari ST/Apple IIgs computer monitors are actually nice, though.

And that's not even a pro monitor. Put your money where your mouth is. And tuck your shirt in (actually, just do that to whomever originally took that pic).

>>5820745
enhance

So I've got a PC CRT that will occasionally twitch/blip as if power or signal was interrupted. Doesn't trigger the OSD or anything. Otherwise fine. Any ballpark suggestions as to what might be causing it? It's a Gateway VX900 which is apparently a rebranded Hitachi CM751.

Can anybody recommend a good a/v switch box that takes s-video?

>>5820750
Horizontal? Or vertical twitch?

Is it on a well grounded power supply?
Will it happen on demand if you, say, plug a vacuum cleaner in nearby and turn it on?
If it flickers exactly the same when you turn on your vacuum, probably just could do with a power conditioner which might help some.
If it's not external, I'd first open it up and re-cap the power supply. Be careful. Let it sit for a while after turning it off (maybe an hour or two) and then try jumping the leads on the caps with a dollar store (i.e., no temperature control) soldering iron you don't care about or similar's AC plug as a means of discharging energy more safely.

If you wanna go balls to the wall, you could always bridge it with just an insulated screwdriver, but I'd advise against this even though I've done it that way before.

Anyway, then re-cap the power supply section with most of the big capacitors on it. If it's still not fixed, re-cap the rest of the board.

Make sure it's not just your power source (i.e., house/apartment wiring) first.
>>5820774
Sure. Whatever that is should be OK
You're only using S-video after all

>>5820774
>>5820778
Alternately you could find an old style KVM switch and modify it. This one's old enough to have VGA connectors, AT/XT keyboard connectors (5 pin DIN), and no mouse connectors.
For s-video frequencies it should be fine. You could just drill a bunch of holes in the back or the sides of the case and mount all the RCA/4-pin-miniDIN/SCART connectors/whatever you want on one.

>>5820778
Twitch appears to be vertical. The outlets were well grounded that I was aware of (surge devices never noted wiring faults.) Haven't fired up any heavy drain devices around it. I'll admit I have moved since and haven't powered it up in awhile, mainly from wondering if I should address it before giving more use. I'll give it a workout and see if it does it here.

someone grab this: https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1444876120

>>5820880
Wish I lived in NL.
That's a really, really high end PC monitor for the time. Eizo makes good shit.

Also looks like it'd look good with a Sun workstation or something if I were to adapt it.

>>5820612
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>I can't tell any difference, I just play the games.
Not sure why that got deleted. Still, pic related

>>5820626
god shut the fuck up

>>5821125
He's right, though. There's no reason to use SCART if you don't live in europe.

I'm afraid my monitor might be too heavy for this desk.
I hate using HDR because it gives shite image quality but my overhead lights are super high output and they drown out the monitor if they're on.

Why are Trinitrons the only CRTs that count? No one gives a fuck about any other brand CRT, even when they're broadcast monitors too.

>>5821225
>No one gives a fuck about any other brand CRT, even when they're broadcast monitors too.
I'd argue that the Mitsubishi and NEC monitors are even more sought after because they're all rarer and larger than Sony's. But a lot of people don't want to use anything other than Aperture Grilles.

>>5821225
>no one
Speak for yourself. I prefer my JVC/Panasonic monitors over my PVM.

>>5821227
so ugly

>>5821228
No u

>>5821231
Look how dim it is.

>shadow mask
into the trash.

>>5821225
>>5821226
https://youtu.be/0aFhzGEBQlk?t=650

>>5821235
why does he sound like such a fucking fag

>>5821239
hehe

>>5821234
>look how dim it is.
Want it brighter? OK. You're the boss.
Looks uncomfortably bright IRL, since I cranked the contrast dial up more than is comfortable.

Should I take this Trinitron I just found on the street?

>>5821682
why not

How would you say VGA computer monitors compare to stuff like PVM and BVMs?

>>5821760
If all VGA monitors could sync to 15 kHz and use composite sync in addition to hsync+vsync most people would not give a shit about PVMemes.

>>5821239
Maybe he is one
>>5821760
A nice VGA monitor is of similar "grade" to a PVM/BVM or other professional 15khz monitors. Differences would be in things like the degree of adjustments that can be made in software (for newer monitors), and the shielding.
However: most cannot sync to ~15.6khz, which is the horizontal line frequency of TV-resolution video.
There are some that do; I myself have a Commodore 1942 which can sync to both 15.6khz and 31khz (~31khz is 640x480 progressive, or 480p) and which uses a VGA connector. Unfortunately in many circumstances it's not very easy to find 15.6khz VGA monitors, or even know what models to look for.
>>5821792
Combining hsync/vsync is easy. You can OR them together.
To separate, I'd take an LM1881 and feed it csync input. Then, take the vertical sync output from pin 3. For horizontal sync, feed it csync. Your monitor _will not care_.

>>5821792
>To separate, I'd take an LM1881 and feed it csync input. Then, take the vertical sync output from pin 3. For horizontal sync, feed it csync. Your monitor _will not care_.
But then some faggot would put the whole thing inside a scart socket and start selling scart to hd15 cables to unsuspecting redditors. Youtubers would make video comparisons between SCART+LM1881 and SCART+LMH1980 retrogaming cables, pure hsync vs csync, etc. Some other faggot would say that it is better to drill a scart socket into your vga monitor. We would end up with even more faggotry than this timeline where most VGA monitors don't sync to ~ 15kHz.

>>5821858
I just drill holes in my consoles for RCA jacks

>>5821858
Also you seem to be assuming that I'm talking hypothetically
That's actually how you separate/combine sync if you've actually got one of those uncommon monitors that can sync that low.

>>5821903
>you seem to be assuming that I'm talking hypothetically
What is hypothetical here is that most VGA monitors would sync to ~15 kHz and accept csync. You said it was not necessary to assume that most VGA monitors would accept csync because of sync separator ICs. While true I say that it would lead to even greater faggotry than we have today where every faggot is peddling scart cables to ntsc using redditors

>>5821901
>I just drill holes in my consoles for RCA jacks
See pic.

>>5821930
RCA cables are cheap (I already have a ton) and RCA -> BNC adapters can be bought at hobby shops here in town for cheap as well.
I run RGB over RCA jacks if I don't have a cable that I can make to work already like with the PSX (where a PS2 component cable works if you either mod the console for sync on green or deal with composite video for sync).

It's definitely not for everyone, and I understand why people are squeamish about making irreversible changes to their consoles, but it works for me.

>>5822034
And it also gives a convenient location to put decoupling capacitors or any necessary electronics for making a consoles' signals compatible with a given screen. Sync signal amplifiers for the Genesis for instance.

>>5820797
That rotary switch looks delicious

>>5821225

They're not, but aperture grille tubes are the closest thing to actual pixels when it comes to CRTs. You can clearly see in >>5821227's picture that a dot triad shadow mask isn't great at defining sharp square pixels and instead has them more blurred at the edges when you look up close.

I've had this cheap 14 inch Daewoo TV with an aperture grille tube and the picture looks very nice and sharp there, especially if you use the SCART input. Model is K14C4NT

>>5820626 How can i fall for something i get for free where i live? You're just saying that cause you can't get in on it

>>5822053
Only Sony did aperture grille TVs, that Daewoo is a slot mask.

The mask isn't meant to define pixel edges anyway, that's the beam's job.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a universal remote to help access a service menu?

>>5822053
shadow masks and slot masks are better producing a sharp image than aperture grilles. this was common knowledge before people like you started fanboying over sony and shitting up this hobby. why the fuck would you want visibly defined square pixels on a crt anyways? just use an lcd if that's what you want.

>>5822101
Slots and grille aren't really different in terms of "sharpness"

Maybe someone can give me a hand.
I have this old toshiba 2131TAE, is anyone familiar with it?
I'd rather not spend money on a new CRT, but if the image is way too shit compared to other TVs i would consider it, is it good enough?
Also, it has an S-video (not composite) in, would it be worth it the hassle to find the s-video cable for my SNES and PSone? I would have to import one, unless there is some kind of workaround or adapter i can buy.

>>5822321
I'd recommend getting a CRT that can take up to component.

>>5822149
it doesn't really make much of a different for sd displays like what most people here use but for high resolution pc monitors I can tell you from experience that shadow masks are much sharper than an aperture grille and so are slot masks. the different in brightness is also negligible between two displays which aren't worn to hell.

>>5822321
Not familiar with that exact set but Toshiba made a lot of good sets. If it's in good condition and you can source S-video cables I wouldn't bother upgrading unless you really, really want ultra sharpness.
t. someone who uses RGB SCART with everything.

>>5822430
I'll try to find some then, is there some workaround (i don't, know some kind of adapter or box) i can use in case i can't find a snes s-video cable?

>>5822357
I'll be honest, i'm a pleb so i can probably live with what i've got, but if with this CRT i can get a better image i'd rather do that.

>>5822447
The set will almost certainly have some way to input composite. I believe composite->s-video adapters do exist but obviously you're only going to get a composite signal through that.

>>5822456
Guess i'll have to import a good cable to this hellhole then.

Thanks anons.

>>5820774
>Can anybody recommend a good a/v switch box that takes s-video?
Philips SWS2325H/27

I have 2 of them. The offer S-video, component and composite & stereo audio switching.

>>5822463
Useful advice for aftermarket S-video cables- generally if the cable only has S-video and red/white phono on the end then it's more likely to actually give you an s-video signal. A lot of cheapo chinese cables are composite only.

>>5822463
>Guess i'll have to import a good cable to this hellhole then.
There are more than a few perfectly good S-video cables made by 3rd party....even some cheap-o chinkshit ones work perfectly fine, and are not composite over s-video. I have some generic N64/PSX/PS2/Xbox s-video cable, and it certainly is transmitting a much cleaner signal than component. However, if you want to avoid headaches, certainly order OEMs. They may be pricy, but they are worth it.

>>5822483
>>5822474
Good to know, thanks again.

>>5822382
The only real nice PC monitors I've seen in person have been grilles so :shrug:

wow

Why the fuck do warehouses take so long to ship anything

>>5822382
Slot masks are a kind of shadow mask you fucking retard
And AG's are better for "pixel sharpness" than tri-dot, but that's not the only thing that people value in monitors. I prefer tri-dot myself but don't go spreading lies.

>>5822897
You certainly weren't trying very hard then

>>5822470
>Philips SWS2325H/27
No longer being sold

>>5822447
1) drill hole in system
2) add panel mount s-video jack
3) cry because you just drilled a hole in your system
4) play vidya

Shadow mask vs aparatare grill is entirely a subjective opinion. Change my mind.

>>5823246
AG allows more surface area of the screen to be illuminated and thus theoretically allows higher brightness for a given TVL count all other things being equal.
I don't like AG for other reasons, but there are ways that it is technically superior.

>>5819946
Your PVM is defective

>>5823624
Except it works perfectly when using literally anything except composite video sync, and also works fine when composite video is fed through a sync stripper.
My Panasonic monitor, my JVC monitor, and my other PVM (PVM-1944Q) also all do this.
Your brain is defective.

This thread sucks.
Back around 2014/2015 I could come here and find lots of people taking photos of lots of games. Now it's slow AF and only one or two people are posting pics of their monitors
What the fuck happened?

got a 20 inch trinitron but the screen is off by a few centimeters, any easy fix for this?

>>5823841
You will need to post a pic so I know what you're talking about.
Is it rotated? Is it cutting off edges? is it just slid up/down too far so some of the screen is unused?
What model? How new? How old? Does it have an OSD?

Fundamental questions you need to provide answers to to get anything but vague unhelpful answers.

>>5823832
rough times bro

>>5823846
its sony trinitron kv-20fs100
the screen is rotated counterclockwise a few centimeters. i didnt notice it at first but then i started to mess around with video settings and then i noticed it. any quick fix for this?

>>5823832
I only play non-/vr/ games on a pc monitor these days so I can't really contribute.

>>5823853
Anything to attribute this to in particular?

I'm glad people are keeping the faith ( >>5820626 ), just wish they would also contribute pics or something.

>>5822045
It's pretty awesome.
I had to take it apart and spray it with deoxit to make it work reliably, but now it's perfect.

>>5823876
Here's how you enter the service menus, you might find something in there.
Make notes of the old values before fucking around with stuff in there.

The service manual (google it) has a table of what all the fields in the service menu do.

>>5823876
>>5823941
note that if the service menu has nothing, you'll likely have to go in and rotate the deflection yoke which will fuck with your convergence/purity and open a whole other can of worms. I'd recommend not touching it.

>>5823624
you put a gory sync on green mod in your PS when you already have a sync stripper?

>>5823941
ok so i need a remote to do it then? i just got this last week and set up some games on it. went into the tilt correction menu but it was already at +5 and wont go any higher, so this is an inherited problem.
>>5823945
yeah theres no way im opening this thing up and messing around, i just need a remote for it and to get into the service menu and see if i can rotate it more. thanks for the info fren.

>>5823946
Because having a sync stripper doesn't magically make a 3 wire cable that isn't carrying sync suddenly carry sync.
I'll say it again. You're still retarded.
>gory
Would you have preferred for me to drill holes for RCA jacks, mr. infallable anon?
>>5823963
Might be able to use a universal remote to do it. I could with my Toshiba set when I still messed with the consumer ones.
No problem

>>5824013
and lo and behold it appears to be stock
But yeah, totally gore if you're a brainlet who is scared of any mod that isn't completely unoriginal.

>>5824042
pic

>>5824013
ok ill find something and try to sync it up. ill post again when ive fixed the problem.

>>5824053
If it's a sony set, I've found that old universal remotes they made are pre-programmed to work with some of their sets. Might be worth a shot.

>>5820745
There is nothing cozier than late nite Crono Trigger.

>>5821231
I marathoned this game, tag team, with a good friend of mine a while back. It was a hoot, loved the Link cameo. Fuck that trivia filler BS in Bowser's Castle at the very end, though.

>>5824101
And there's a blue mushroom person that you run into repeatedly if you poke around in each area as you progress. He drops all kinds of hints about where the secret casino is. Never noticed him before.

>>5824103
Played the shit out of this over the weekend, though. What a gem. Glad I could give my Dreamcast a workout.

>>5824109
Also watched a classic, compromised dub on VHS. Movie still looks and sounds very unique among Miyazaki's later junk.

>>5824119
Between VHS tapes and all the RPGs I've been blasting through, I've been using my CRT way more than my big flatscreen.

>>5824124
Grandia was pretty baller. This game gives me nostalgia fits even though I played it for the first time last September.

>>5824130
Wild Arms was fun, if a bit generic. Wish I had a PS1 growing up, a sci-fi fantasy wild west JRPG would have been right up my alley.

>>5824092
Quite agreed.
>>5824101
>>5824103
I was gifted that game by a friend who hates RPGs but grew up with it in his family.
I love it, too.
>>5824130
Lunar on Sega CD's the same way.
>>5824140
Oh shit now I have to play that

A classic

>>5824143
II've heard good things about Lunar. Might have to hunt down a copy. I have a friend who claimed it was one of his favorites.

I recently watched through the Nadia anime, and doing that within the same year of playing Skies of Arcadia AND Grandia, you notice how they all use the exact same plot from beginning to end. Everything is completely interchangeable. Love it, though.

>>5824143
>Oh shit now I have to play that
It's good. A bit generic, and really dated to say that it came out the same year as FFVII. Doesn't have the same charm as some of the other stuff I've played recently, but it's got some great bits and some memorable tunes. Dialogue is worth a chuckle every now and again, too.

>>5824151
If you have a sega CD just burn it
SCD has no copy protection except for region locks.

There's also an "unworked designs" patch that undoes the stupid difficulty spikes and other tweaks working designs made to their otherwise halfway decent localization.
>>5824162
How well did it age compared to, say, Phantasy Star on SMS/Dragon Quest 3?

>>5824147
Is that a 4k picture of a CRT? Are you next level insane?

>>5824151
If you're trying to get it for PSX it's more common there. I've seen copies in game shops.
Nothing beats having a modchip so you can just burn CD-R's though.

>>5824183
Note that the original Sega CD version is very different from the PSX/Saturn and more recent versions.

>>5824162
>same year as FFVII
Which I also played for the first time about a year ago. Also got a fresh kitten around the same time, who is now too big of a boy to sit on my lap and watch me race chocobos like this anymore. They grow up so fast...

>>5824178
>How well did it age compared to, say, Phantasy Star on SMS/Dragon Quest 3?
Better then original Phantasy Star. Maybe not as well as DQ3, probably just because it's less challenging so you can't help but notice.

>>5824178
>If you have a sega CD just burn it
Ain't got one, sadly.

>>5824183
I'm pretty sure my friend still has his copy of Lunar for PSX. He got rid of most of his stuff but kept a handful of his all time favorite games. I'll ask him to find it and lend it to me because I'm too lazy to pursue any other option.

>>5824192
>Also got a fresh kitten around the same time, who is now too big of a boy to sit on my lap and watch me race chocobos like this anymore. They grow up so fast...
Meant to post a damn picture, derp.

Okay, blogposting complete.

>>5824179
Too big?

>>5824179
Well my Pixel 2 with opencamera captures at that resolution, and that's my only camera with a good focal length for CRT shots (my DSLR lens collection leaves a lot to be desired).
So yeah. I guess it is about 4K probably, but I still don't know what the technical definition of 4K is because IDGAF about 4K monitors/TV's.

>>5824229
Digging the delta shadowmask.

>>5824235
Yeah it's a good look. Thanks.

>>5824235
W-why do I have so many pictures of Justin? I-it's not like I l-like him or anything, baka...

>>5824198
Thats very wholesome based bloomer.

>>5824247
mite be gay

>>5824246
I need to fix my Ikegami.

>>5824257
>mite be gay

Seriously, though, this game is so damn charming. Still pretty good-looking after almost 20 years, too. The expressions alone are worth the price of admission.

>>5824257
What's wrong with the ikegami?

Poor Schala.
I still like to pretend Chrono Cross didn't happen.

>>5824326
What game

>>5824268
>>5824257
Just remember: traps are gay, but as long as you acknowledge that fact, being gay is okay

>>5824349
>What game
>>5824109

>>5824109
oh yeah that thing
Too bad I don't have a DC.
I love the single player Phantasy Stars though, apparently a lot of the team was the same.

>>5824363
Yeah, I nabbed a copy of PSIV a while back. Now that I'm done with Skies I might finally give it a go, I've never played an RPG on the Genesis. Heard that some Panzer Dragoon staff went on do Skies, too. I'd love to play that game but I've been priced right out of using actual Saturn hardware.

>>5824151
Yeah, Skies of ArcaDIA, GranDIA and NaDIA are all fantastic and I loved them all, good taste on all three. I remember I saved your setup in another crt thread a few months ago, it was quite nice.

What's a good decent desk CRT? Something small enough to fit on a desk but big enough I'm not squinting to see

>>5824421
A VGA monitor

>>5824386
PSIV is probably the one that aged best, though I also love the original.
I'd say II and III aged the worst, but II is still good for the story. Use a guide.
>>5824421
VGA 31khz monitor or 15.6khz?
I like 14" monitors for that but it depends on your desk size.
Mine's a Panasonic BT-H1390YN. Similar models are the Panasonic BT-H1390Y, the JVC BM-1400PN, and the JVC BM-1400PN-A.
They're so similar that you can use the service manuals for any of them interchangeably. All are manufactured by Matsushita, which owned JVC at the time and has since renamed itself to Panasonic.
If you meant PC monitor, this >>5824429

>>5824437

you guys doing missionary work now?

>>5824460
Old news, see last thread
And they're probably shit ones.
Too bad they'll probably all be scrapped still
But it's pretty funny.

Bet you boys wish you had one of these

>>5824468
There was one pretty nice looking wood-grain 80s set they showed on the news.

>>5824469
Joke's on you.
Cunt.
If you mean a "network analyzer" as opposed to oscilloscope, I have one that connects to my PC.

>>5824478
that's a shame then.

>>5824494
It was this Toshiba at about 1:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_oveTicrVA
>mfw watching those cops carelessly dump those tubes into a truck

>>5824507
Damn that is a cool set.
I wonder if anyone kept theirs. Probably not but I can dream.

Dem black levels

>>5824487
what network analyser do you have?

>>5824345
Had a vertical collapse a while ago, I just haven't had the chance to really dig into it. The ikegami is an HTM2050RA1 and it's got so much going on internally, I just haven't had the chance to really go deep on it.

>>5823832
I stopped coming here because the discussion was pointless. I know why I like CRTs and I know everything I need to hunt down the ones I like and get my games to look good on them, so it slowly became less and less appealing to come here just to circlejerk, see other peoples' finds, and hear the same questions from newfags day in and day out. I'd rather spend the time using and enjoying my CRT.

>>5823832
I realized helping newfag bandwaggoners only drives up prices on an already scarce commodity so now I recommend ossc and modern displays or better yet emulation. Fuck reddit tier idiots who can't do a simple Google search to find the info they want, I'll try to direct them to modern displays every time.

>>5825169
As a retarded newfag (not to retro, grew up playing these) that knew nothing of better ways to view shit on a CRT it does help to know the actual difference.
I hear all this talk about rga, scart, composite and s-video but i never find a good comparison to see what's actually worth the hassle, other than that and some minor technical questions everything else is google friendly.

>>5824406
>Skies of ArcaDIA, GranDIA and NaDIA are all fantastic
I've been on a quest to find the first media where that plot concept originated (ancient advanced civilization dooms itself with megaweapon, modern, evil military organization seeks to revive said megaweapon). Earliest I came up with is "Future Boy Conan", which is the early Miyazaki anime that Castle in the Sky was based on, but Conan itself was based on a 1970 book called "The Incredible Tide" by Alexander Key, which is hard to track down.

>>5824151
>>5824406
What CRT is that?

>>5825451
PVM-20M4U

So what the fuck is going on with this craigslist seller? He listed pic related initially for $700, lowered it to $500, then finally to $300 at which point I became interested in it. I called him and he said it's $500 now because it's "the last one" and I said that's bullshit. He then asked me for $400 and I said no, before finally """"""checking with his manager""""" and settling on the posted $300.

I called him the next day only for him to flip a tit saying he told me to call in the morning before agreeing on a pickup location. So I've called him promptly at 8:00, the time he told me to, for two days in a row now but I noticed my phone is automatically being redirected to voicemail (my house phone isn't.) Finally I had enough and point blank asked him on facebook marketplace if he was willing to sell it to me: yes or no. He left me on seen.

WTF is going on here??

>>5825542
>Ikegamis
Should've just paid the $700, that's like a holy Grail innit

>>5825542
Update: he called me and told me it's $500 and that I wasn't being "consistent" and was flaky when he hasn't responded to me once in two days.

>>5825556
I'm not paying that price for any CRT, especially when I've already got a 20" PVM.

who the hell is actually spending hundreds of dollars on 8" PVMs?

>>5825559
Tell him to go make sweet love to his mother. Fucking travel to another city or something and pick up a just a good CRT many a curb, like right now. If you wait until the Fall, you're fucked because of rain.'

I bet you that any of my cheap CRTs can equal or even beat those coveted PVMs.

Someone please explain what those damn PMVs supposedly can do that any other CRT cannot.

>>5825743
higher TVL, RGBs in burger, boxy aesthetic

>>5825704

>>5825743
they make it look like an lcd with a retarded scanline filter, something that zoomers love.

>>5825743
>being so stupid that you don't know this by now AND can't be arsed to google it
kekkity

>>5825750
>higher TVL
What does that mean?

>boxy aesthetic
Really, anon?

>>5825756
Then don't reply. If I wanted to fuck around on google I would, ass.

>>5825752
>they make it look like an lcd with a retarded scanline filter
lol then they should use a free emulator. I swear CRT "collectors" are idiots.

>>5825757
Here, let me explain TVL for you

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=CRT+TVL

>Really anon?
>

>>5825743
RGB and very high quality tubes.
The picture quality via RGB is pretty good. Like, the only display tech that beats it is OLED maybe.

The scanlines are super fine on them too. Great if you like the glow of a CRT, but think that heavy scanlines are distracting.

They're also amazing at any interlaced formats. Zero flicker.

>>5821234
>shadow mask
Shadow mask is the best mask. I have an L2 and L5 that hardly get any use since I got an Ikegami godly mask.

>>5825762
I don't trust you, so not copy pasting.

Anyone else?

>>5825765
>You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>5825763
you have no idea what you're saying.

>>5825763
>They're also amazing at any interlaced formats. Zero flicker.
Now you're talking. That looks like the sole legit reason to have one, but in the high hundreds? lol no. And I can't imagine anything being much better than what I have because most people set their contrast wrong/too high and the brightness. In the dark playing Punch Out is amazing on my Sampo 1980 CRT. I think it's 13". The colors are vivid, vibrant, you could even say they pop. Not going down the PVM sucker play hole.

>>5825763
>RGB and very high quality tubes.
This is correct.
>The picture quality via RGB is pretty good. Like, the only display tech that beats it is OLED maybe.
Quality is good but this is also comparing apples to oranges
>The scanlines are super fine on them too. Great if you like the glow of a CRT, but think that heavy scanlines are distracting.
You're sitting to close to your TV
>They're also amazing at any interlaced formats. Zero flicker.
What? This makes no sense.

>>5825770
Correct, so leave, kid.

Here's the real question, why are modern TVs such garbage? The colors are far inferior to any CRT made in the '80s or 90's and so is the overall look. New stuff: Soft and bland.

>>5824437
>but II is still good for the story.
Is it better than IV's? I stopped IV halfway through because the story/writing are so poorly done. Though it looks and sounds so good that it nearly kept me going.

>>5825761
>If I wanted to fuck around on the biggest, easiest-to-use repository of literally all human knowledge that is made easily accessible to anyone, I would
Retard.

>>5825761
>I swear CRT "collectors" are idiots.
>using an obvious bait/shitposting response as fuel for your impotent internet rage
Yikes.

To answer that other anon's question, this is why these threads are so dead now. Nothing but trolls, pointless arguments and retarded newfags. /CRT/ has simply just turned into one more bastion for shitposting.

>>5825784
>he doesnt know what lmgtfy is
gottem

>why are modern TVs such garbage?
stop buying cheap chinese panels anon :^)

>>5825761
>not preferring a search engine to asking strangers online
This is a zoomer thing, right? You're so used to having the internet pre-packaged and presented to you by your twitter and facebook feeds that you literally don't know how to sift through information using a simple search engine.

>>5825789
please kys

>>5824421
Any 14" PVM is great for that.

>>5825792
unrelated but having shit handed to you is definitely a boomer thing, work retail for any amount of time.

>>5825792
You sound so douchey you may even be a mod. Yeah motherfucker, as long as you're here you could interact and maybe answer questions instead of sucking google cock all day. You make me sick. Fuck you and stop replying to me you fat dumb bastard.

>>5825802
Lmoa get real, nigga.

>>5825781
interlaced signals can flicker or strobe on 480i signals if your tube is very old or very low quality. It has to do with the persistence of the phosphors, I think?
Some people are more sensitive to it.

I had a shitty "advent" HD CRT that had serious issues with 480i signals, or any interlaced signals, really.

>>5825818
higher tvl actually makes interlaced flicker far worse. once you get high enough tvl you actually start having the lines be far enough apart that it as a weird scanline look in interlaced.

I always knew PVMs were a meme.

PVMs are god tier tech, don't fall for the "pvms are trash lmao" meme

>>5825890
I found the reseller scum!

PVMs are great but I do agree they're massively overvalued. There's a sizable chunk of retro enthusiasts who harbour the mentality that "if it's not a PVM, it doesn't count." Which is retarded since there are plenty of consumer grade Trinitrons that can be modded for RGB as well as an ass load of broadcast monitors made by different companies.

What practical reason is there to shell out thousands of dollars for 20"+ PVMs instead of just buying a consumer Trinitron and RGB modding it?

>>5826034
None, it's all about elitism and ignorance at this point in history. It would have made good sense even 5-10 years ago.

>>5826045
Well considering that you can get 32" consumer Trinitrons many literally with the EXACT same tubes as their 32" PVM counterparts - all for like $10 - you'd think it would have taken off.

>>5825961
>There's a sizable chunk of retro enthusiasts who harbour the mentality that "if it's not a PVM, it doesn't count."
Where? Honestly I see more people claiming PVMs to be "memes" than I do people who are blindly in favor of them.

>>5826067
My dad, for starters. He had Trinitrons all throughout the 90's and he looks down on literally anything that isn't "a Sony".

PVM are not a meme, looks gorgeous when you see it in person, overpriced as hell but not a meme.

>>5826082
see >>5826034

>>5826098
less is more for retro games and comparisons like this should make it clear, but people always seem to gravitate towards the thick scanlines and aliased image.

>>5826082
>looks gorgeous when you see it in person
So does any decent CRT from 1980-2000.

Imagine my smug because I don't need to mod my native RGB-capable 32" Magnavox year 2000 CRT.

>>5824652
PicoVNA 106.
>>5825109
Pretty much why I left from 2016 or so until now
>>5825169
I should really do this.
>>5825542
Demand to talk to his manager
>>5825750
>boxy aesthetic
My entire life is devoted to dat boxy aesthetic.
Pic: my car two days ago.
Car's great for hauling CRTs btw. Even the sedan version would fit two or three easily and I have the wagon.
>>5825738
You're wrong, of course. But other companies' broadcast monitors, computer monitors that sync low enough, or prosumer sets can equal them.
>>5825752
Not if you're more than a few feet away.
I swear, this board has some variant of anti-intellectualism going on. Who cares about facts?
>>5825763
The scan lines are the lines of raster itself.
The gaps are HUGE on a 20" high-TVL screen, which is why I prefer smaller sets.
>Zero flicker
you're retarded.
>>5825764
*tri-dot shadow mask is best mask. Agreed.

>>5826182
Not as good as RGB
Here's an example of how 20" high TVL sets look and why you should avoid them unless sitting about 20-30 feet away.

>>5826193
so, europe?
Or are you equivocating component YPbPr and RGB?

I’m having a problem with a PVM I ordered through eBay, it’s been 9 days and they still haven’t shipped it despite me calling 2 days in a row to ask about it. It’s some used medical equipment company and they have good reviews, what’s going on?

>>5826814
patience young padawan
File a claim if they don't ship it and don't have a valid reason when you phone them.
>buying a PVM on ebay

>>5827154
>buying a PVM on ebay
Literally how else am I supposed to get one? There are 0 broadcast CRTs for sale anywhere in my area, on liquidation sites, craigslist, or local pickup on ebay.

>>5827183
Just so you know, I've bought 4 CRTs on ebay. 1 of them arrived without shipping damage. 2 of the damaged ones were PVMs.

>>5823832
What game is that

It's more worth it to shell out for an OSSC and use it with a VGA monitor (or anything really) than to buy a PVM from ebay.

>>5827203
And have to deal with input lag and black bars on non 4:3 ratio monitors? Lmao no thank you.

>>5827203
I mean the 1 of the 4 that wasn't damaged is a PVM and it's great and I still have it 5 years later, and I got a refund on the other ones and keep them for parts.
So it was worth it, but it's just precarious.

>>5827209
You didn't have to ship them back?

>>5827208
There's no real input lag with an OSSC

>>5827208
Oh no black bars! How will I ever focus on the 4:3 content that's right in front of me

>>5827248
There will be if you plug into a non CRT.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632863-REG/Ikegami_HTM1990R_HTM_1990_R_19_HDTV_SDTV_Multi_Format.html?ap=y&gclid=CjwKCAjwtO7qBRBQEiwAl5WC2wrZrpEOqcH0F7vw5TDQnAXA9dmh6MDTqs3jaJWivrAJso61MRW-gBoCF54QAvD_BwE&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=y
Imagine

>>5827314
I saw the SD version of that monitor go unsold at a $15 starting bid a couple months ago.

>>5826114
It’s a matter of taste, you can see in comparision that more tvl means more detailed picture. However BVM’s with 900tvl looks like shit.
>>5825961
>>5826034
If you’re european and you buy PVM for hundreds of dollars then you’re mentally retarded. I own a pvm because I got it for dort cheap, my 90’s decent Philips consumer set with rgb from scart picrel is as sharp as a pvm.

>>5827183
Literally phone people.

>>5827198
That's Chrono Trigger.
I am disappoint.
Play it. Now.
>>5827212
Why the fuck would they want a damaged CRT back
>>5827561
What this guy said; I haven't paid more than $15 for a pro monitor because they aren't THAT worth it.
Anything with RGB that doesn't use a "slim" tube will be very nice for retro vidya.

>>5827583
I tried. I didn't like it. Which is weird because I love all of Squares games besides this and DQ.

>>5827583
>Literally phone people.
What are the odds of finding some nice broadcast monitors from local TV stations?

Are Sharp or Phillips CRTs good?

>>5827561
pictures of turtles in time on a crt always get me going. game is fucking beautiful.

>>5827780
Both tend to be, yes.

Just sent out like 20 proverbial messages in bottles asking to buy old broadcast equipment.

Now the waiting game...

>>5826059
You can't earn epeen points with a $30 investment. You have to prove your dedication and that you're not a poorfag by spending big bucks. It's all about the epeen points, if not for them, why bother with this old assed retro trash? (this post brought to you by parody and sarcasm, the letter "S" and the number "4")

>>5826098
SOULLESS SOULLESS SOULLESS SOUL SOUL.

>>5826331
See, you're confusing rgb with pvm. Rgb modded consumer sets or component via rgb converter look much better in my opinion. It's personal preference but a good consumer set fed rgb is a thing of beauty. Basically you save the cost of a pvm and have to simply buy a rgb to component converter like the retrotek for $75.

>>5824487
Nice scope, just picked this one up from a flea market recently; Works great, but needs to be recapped; takes a minute to warm up; nice blue phosphor tube too!

>>5824469
For what purpose

>>5828239
Here's a pic of the tube; Took a still from a short video clip I made when I was playing some Oscilloscope music through it to test it, so excuse the quality of the pic.
I love the blue phosphor; I've never encountered one like it before; so it was worth the $25 I spent on it for sure!
And yes, I've played asteroids on it.

>>5828128
The main reason why RGB/Component is better than S video is because of the better colors. It's hard to go back to s video or lower once you've experienced the best.

>>5826331
>muh scanlines

It all looks great to nearly identical with the correct settings. Some people probably don't even tint is a thing.

>>5828454
Component is a barely noticeable step up in quality.

fellas... cop?

>>5828663
Collector's item, but probably poor picture quality. I'd buy if it wasn't obscenely priced. 75 bucks tops before shipping, if that's a factor.

>>5826034
There honestly isn't. Not unless you are just dumb with your money and have literally nothing better to spend it on.

I'm lucky I got my 20" PVM for a steal years back before all the good stuff got bought up by scalpers. I think it goes for like 500 shipped nowadays, and I would never pay that.
Does RGB on a modded consumer set look as good? Well no, but you also get a much larger picture and you can easily get bigger trinitron consumer sets for free.

Even though I have my pvmeme, I still also have a 27" trinitron with component input that I'll also use with an RGB-component transcoder. Still looks really good, and it's what I would recommend to anyone wanting to get into this autism without having to shell out for scalper prices.

>>5827639
I've found them.
This was 2015 though.

>>5827587
But CT is nothing like DQ
And seriously? You like Secret of Evermore but not Chrono Trigger?
You're fucked up.

>>5829241
aaaamigaaaaaaaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohl0YUl6ntk

Can anyone tell if these are any good? The lady selling it has no idea what brand it is, and she sucks at taking photos.

>>5829757
Avoid those black ones, look like Zeniths.
Front silver is a Panasonic, can't quite tell what the back one is.

>>5829757
The ones on the left look like they could have s-video/component and the ones on the right are most likely early 2000/late 90s era composite cheapo.

>>5829757
Zenith is shit tier. I've tried 3 and all looked like ass.

>>5829757
Those Zenith might be the vga multiformat ones. Go check them out in person

JVC any good?

>>5826328
>Volvo 240
Holy shit, you're like a parody of a hipster.
>Pretty much why I left from 2016 or so until now
Oh fuck, are you 20L5 fag, back from the gay?

>>5830040
JVC bestest

>>5830029
Ive got a zenith and the built in speakers are mad good. Makes genesis sound really pop

>>5830040
>>5830085
Agreed JVC is best
>>5830064
No he drove a volvo 850.

>>5830085
Panasonic is best mechanics. Philips is bad. Very bad

>>5824487
No, this is a dedicated Fast Fourier Transform machine
>>5828245
For performing the Fast Fourier Transform, of course.

>>5830190
reminder JVC and Panasonic were both matsushita brands back in the day

>>5826082
Stop saying PVM instead of "pro monitors"
>>5830295
pic

>>5828239
>>5828267
I do like that a lot.
That scope's in the tennis for two wikipedia article photos.

>>5820626
I only played consoles through scart as a kid. Did I waste my childhood?

>>5830442
No. I basically only played vidya and rode a bike.

>>5822053
>aperture grille tubes are the closest thing to actual pixels when it comes to CRTs.
No actual pixels is kinda the whole point of CRT...

Does anyone have any idea about Panasonic CRT's service adjustment protocol? There's are schematics for interface in service manuals, but the adjustment software is nowhere to be found.

>>5830401
Pro monitors

>>5828018
Funny, my PVM was free off a curb
Keep telling yourself that

>>5830474
probably i2c
>>5830462
this

>>5830474
Is there a "jungle IC?"
And it's probably I2C.

>>5830534
Looks more like SPI. I guess I could start randomly banging bytes in but I doubt it's going to do anything besides corrupt the EEPROM.

Probably better just dump the EEPROM and start altering random bytes and see what changes...

>>5830474
please link to your particular monitor's manual.

>>5830583
this?
http://sasoft.qrz.ru/___/radio/shemy/mont/panas/txd1734/
I'm not on a windows PC (Powerbook G4 running debian).

>>5830598
>>5830585
TX-D1734, yes.

>>5830602
https://elektrotanya.com/panasonic_txd1734.pdf/download.html

>>5830598
update, it's a winrar sfx archive.
Unpacked it, it's got djvu schematics in it.

>>5821223
>There's no reason to use SCART if you don't live in europe.
Okay. Where do I get a non-SCART cable that carries an RGBS signal from all of my consoles?

>>5830647
JP21 in Japan, but it's basically just SCART with mangled pinout.

>>5830647
Option 1: Make your own
Option 2: VGA replace original connector
Option 3: Drill some holes and add RCA plugs
Option 4: Straight "multi AV" or whatever to BNC as god intended
Option 5: (for playstation) Run a wire from csync pin of the encoder to the green line, with a resistor on the path, Component PS2 cable. Sync on green RGB obtained.

>>5830647
also enjoy your shit audio buzz and $300 of cables.

>>5830703
Fucking listen to yourself. All of this is magnitudes more of a pain in the ass than just buying a fucking cable.

>>5830707
A good cable costs around 30 bucks. You only get buzz if you buy the cheapo made in China shit. Paying 30 bucks per system for a good RGB cable is a one-time investment and is way more practical than drilling holes in your hardware.

>>5830707
>shit audio buzz
I actually have worse audio buzz on my official Dreamcast S-Video cable than I do on any of my SCART cables. Only SCART cable that has any buzz at all is my NES one, which I bought for cheap.

>>5830728
you can buy straight up bnc rgb cables for consoles so why would you waste money on scart cables if you're an american who's going to convert that scart into bnc anyways for your pvmeme.

>>5831414
because going SCART is often cheaper off the shelf

What kind of price should I ask for a PVM 20M4U in good condition?

>>5831678
Double what it's worth. A bandwagoner will surely buy it at that price because of muh pvm

>>5831690
and what would it be worth?

>>5831692
$10, sell it for $300

>>5830728
$30 per console, vs. a drawer full of already owned cords. 4 consoles = $120. OTOH, 30-40 minutes of modding, max. Hmm. Tricky.

I guess if you make $240 an hour it makes sense, when you put it that way.

>>5831414
>Option 4: Straight "multi AV" or whatever to BNC as god intended
Yep. Like I said.

Anyone have any experience with the Extron Emotia or other 240p downscalers? I just found a pvm at work and brought it home and was thinking of buying a Emotia to downscale from my PC to use it but 400$ seems a little too expensive any alternatives?

>>5831820
Why downscale when you can just make the PC do 240p

>>5831820
What formats does it take?

Are there any good noob guides to RGB modding a consumer NTSC set? Ideally early 2000s Trinitron. Found random forum posts around showing finished mods but anything like pin a to wire b to pin c etc?

>>5831932
shmups has a huge thread with loads of info

>>5831939
Damn, photobucket shredded the pictures in the thread for my model...

>>5831932
There's a huge thread at shmups.
The general idea is to inject your RGB signal into the RGB input of the jungle chip. This input is typically used for OSD menus. You also need to put a certain voltage into the fast blanking pin of the jungle chip, usually the pin is either grounded or pulled up.

If you want a noob guide you'd have to look at the thread to see if someone already modded a TV of the same model you have or a model that uses the same chassis as your TV.

>>5831932
Or just get an RGB to component transcoder

>>5832141
>an analogue signal converted into another analogue format is identical to the original analogue signal
>>5831820
Just use a goddamn wii with component and say it's good enough if you're not going to be using real consoles anyway.
I mean, obviously accuracy doesn't matter too much to you

>>5832235
>an analogue signal converted into another analogue format is identical to the original analogue signal
Yeah, and it still looks great, boxes are cheap, and you don't need to go around soldering inside your giant glass deathbox.

>>5832249
>thinking all parts of a CRT operate at high voltages/deadly currents
>thinking the digital logic element of a CRT will operate at high voltages/deadly currents
>Not having a grounded soldering iron
Alright though. it's not my games or TV

>>5832252
or you can just use a transcoder and not worry about that shit.

bet you've never seen one of these before. I'll post some pics later of it running but it's a bit hard to get a good picture of a projectors image.

>>5832545
I have one of those in my closet, Does yours have a beta cassette player as well?.

>>5832560
Yes, this is the FP-60 not the 62. The deck works perfectly fine as well except for one of the little retaining wheels being stuck pushed out. Just gotta push it in while I insert a cassette.

>>5832545
had one of these in my middle school back in the 90s

>We actually tried to play Windjammeron an old CRT and it’s even better because you have no lag,” said Asensio. “Today you have lag with the Bluetooth controller, with the internet connection, and with the monitor—you have a lot of frames of lag. In the old system, the arcade, you are connected to the game, you’re really moving transistors when you move. It’s like an electron cannon that is bombarding your brain through your eyes.”

Even the normally dumb gaming journalists know fellas.

yikes

>>5832804
looking good man

What are some basic tips for a new CRT owner (PC monitor, not TV)

>>5833214
Never look too closely for problems (convergence/purity/whatever) or you'll find them.
If it's multiscan and you run linux it's fun to mess with modelines.
I got my 14" multiscan screen from 1998 to do 2560x1920 once.

>>5833220
why linux specifically? and whats modelines? cant i do the same with CRT in windows? its easier for me

>>5833214
buy a colorimeter and learn how to use it. adjust the focus pots right away. download nec_test for test patterns. learn how to adjust contrast and brightness.

>>5833225
*CRU, not CRT

>>5833214
What are you intending to play on your PC monitor? You might want to set up emudriver or get something like an OSSC.

>>5833329
I play some modern games and old arcade games. (SF3 mainly)

>>5832804
that's me

Local used medical equipment store nearby, thoughts?

>>5834110
crt heaven

>>5834110
There's a PVM to the far right of the pic. I'm surprised people put so much energy into getting broadcast monitors but never seem to pay the same amount of attention to medical monitors.

>>5833225
Because you're a brainlet and don't realize how much more versatile it is when you can set porch timings, pixel clocks, and double strike, and even sync signal polarity.
FreeBSD etc also work.
No idea what CRU is though because I don't pay attention to brainlet windows crap
>>5834120
I see plenty of attention paid to medical monitors
The truth is they are also expensive though.

>>5834132
>No idea what CRU is
pic related
its like that linux stuff but without needing a command line i think

>>5834132
Things were great a couple years back before everyone realized they could broaden their search terms for things like "endoscopy monitor". Back then you could get cheap medical PVMs because they wouldn't show up with people's usual search terms of shit like "PVM RGB retro gaming!"

So I'm looking to use an extron matrix switcher because after all this time, I've finally had enough of independently swapping SCART plugs, switching audio inputs independently, and so on.

Only issue is I already have SCART cables for my consoles, and buying SCART-BNC cables would end up costing a lot. However, I have a little bit of experience doing babby-tier soldering fixing consoles and RGB modding and such, so I figured I'd try out making my own SCART-BNC adapters. So if I need 8 adapters, I'd just buy 4 SCART cables and 4 BNC cables, and then cut each of them in half and splice them together, right?

So the question is, which cables to buy? Can I trust something like this?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/400749820513

>>5835324
You'll need female SCART heads, the "splitters" can be used for two connectors reasonably cheap https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-20CM-9-PIN-CONNECTED-21-PIN-SCART-MALE-TO-2-X-FEMALE-COUPLER-SPLITTER/391377035096 , can splice to a generic VGA-BNC cable or 4/5 BNC-BNC cable cut in half + RCA or whatever you want for audio out.

Alternatively chop up your console-SCART cables, you could add BNCs directly if it's made of sensible coax, or go VGA in the middle + VGA-BNC cables.

>>5835340
thanks famalam. Obvious oversight on my part.

Lifting pin 50 on the Megadrive VDP does wonders to minimise jailbars. Completely fine with not being able to use composite video as it's not catered for in my setup and the megadrive has the shittiest of composite video signals anyway (inb4 muh blended transparencies.

Such a satisfying console to mod. Installed a region switch and a sound mod and it's pretty much perfect now. If only I could get a Sega CD without it costing me an arm and a leg.

is here someone experienced with pi2scart? The lack of any documentation is annoying as fuck and i am starting to think it could be my TV or i am overlooking something really basic

>>5836173
I wish I knew some rhyme or reason when it comes to genesis jailbars. I have two model 1 geneses, and they both have bad jailbars on composite, but neither has any jailbars via RGB when using non-chinkshit cables. So luckily I've never needed to bother doing the mod that also disables composite out.

>>5835797
So many CRTgaming crossovers on this board...

https://www.amazon.com/5-Pin-5-08mm-Female-Terminal-10pairs/dp/B07795QZNN

will this work with an extron switcher? I'm having a difficult time figuring this out, because it seems like there are different shapes for phoenix connectors. All the ones I see on amazon are in this shape, whereas the ones I see on ebay are a different shape. I'd prefer to buy off amazon though.

>>5836798
You want the 3.5mm pitch, not the 5.08mm

>>5820649
Holy shit, are you me? All I own is just a PSone & Dreamcast.

>>5830707
Only audio buzz I get is on SNES and that's due to an AC adapter with something knocked loose. Never had it even with cheaper SCART cables on other systems

>>5837074
Same here. Even replaced all the capacitors (except surface-mounted ones because those are a bitch) and the audio buzz still wouldn't go away on SNES, although I was able to clear up that faint white bar.
It's fine though; not really noticeable so long as I don't turn up the volume super loud.

Is the NEC XM-29 worth the amount it is going for now? How would it compare to good Sony Trinitron or a PVM?

>>5836932
got it, thanks for the tip. Wish these things were more clear, and also it's weird how there are a bunch of phoenix connectors available on amazon for cheap, but they're all exclusively the 5.08mm versions. Meanwhile the ones on ebay want $2.50+$2.50 shipping each. Luckily you can buy in bulk from china, and I'm okay waiting a few weeks. I'll just use a separate audio switcher until then

>>5836516
yikes

>>5837650
What amount? Worth it for doing what?

>>5837650
I don't know how much something like that goes for these days, but I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say it's not fucking worth it. For larger screens, just get a trinitron for free and use component and call it a day.

Should I grab a single-outlet surge protector for my large CRT, or plug it into the power strip I use for my monitor/pc/console?
I've been trying to figure out something to avoid overloading the power strip but I don't know what to do

>14 inch PVM
>150-300 dollars
>19 inch PVM
>700+ dollar
Come on

>>5838978
I'm afraid you'll have to do more than a cursory search on ebay if you want to find good deals.

So I just got memed into locally buying a BVM-14F5U. Price was pretty good, guy is like 15 minutes away, and I figured I'd never have another chance of getting a BVMeme, so fuck it.

Only potential I can see with it (besides the usual pains in the ass that BVMs apparently entail) is that it has 16,000 hours on it, which comes out to about 2 straight years worth of nonstop usage. Would that be an issue at all? I know these sorts of monitors are meant to hold up to lengthy usage, but I don't know. Hell, I don't even know if 16k is actually long for a BVM at all. Or whether that's actual usage time or just when it's on in standby.

Also, does anyone know whether or not BVMs like this auto-terminate the signals, or will I need to pick up some 75ohm resistors? Not exactly sure what happens if they're needed but you leave the outputs open.

>>5839846
16k hours isn't that crazy, recommended time to tube replacement was ~30k.

It doesn't auto terminate, you would need resistors (or run the outputs through to some other device), without them you'll get an overly bright image and possibly sync issues.

Price?

>>5839904
Thats good to hear. Yeah, I figured I'd need the terminators. At least I can just run the outputs to a TV to take care of that temporarily until I get some terminators.
Paid $250. Not sure what a "good" price is, but I rarely see stuff locally. And it comes with a BKM card

HOLY SHIT
After a year of owning this Trinitron I finally fucking made it to the service menu.
I had to use two controllers to do it, but this is how I did it:
Put TV on standby
Display button or i+
Volume +
The square kinda like a screen blank button (this button was on a Sony controller, but it was not from the TV, it's kinda multiple controller but it's Sony)
And the TV just turns on (no need to press the power on again, and now I can finally tweak shit!)

>>5840018
Strange, what model is that? All the trinitrons I have use the same service menu code. I think it's something like display+5+menu+power, IIRC. Been a while since I've needed to calibrate any of them.

>>5840018
Were you really too stupid to just check the service manual in all that time

>>5840045
>>5840018
HOLY SHIT, that was not the service menu. Thanks to based italian youtuber I figured I had to press menu at the end of the combo.

It's KV-21LT1E
>>5840052
I did, just didn't though about using two controllers to get it kek

Well the "as-is" PVM-1943MD I ordered from some indian medical liquidators finally came in. Apart from some minor easily fixable geometry issues, there's nothing wrong with it, as expected.

Fuckers probably thought it was broken since this unit doesn't have an OSD so it doesn't do anything when it's turned on. Also, it's a LOT bigger in person than pictures convey...

>>5840501
Forgot to add, price with shipping was $215. How'd I do?

>>5840505
Decent for a 20" RGB PVM, even if it is on the older side. I'd probably never risk shipping something that big though.

>>5840506
Funnily enough an 85 lb 20" CRT arrives perfectly intact while a 5" 15 lb 5041Q arrives completely trashed by the post.

>>5840075
Here's the result.
Also, TV has like 3.30 years of working time. Interesting.

Are toshiba CRTs good?

>>5840527
They've been good for me. Although my experience is a DVD/CRT 9" combo pseudo-portable and a behemoth 36" HDCRT. Both have been very good, but I cannot comment on more typical units.

>>5840527
got a model in mind?

>>5840506
I had my 20" PVM shipped. I was sweating bullets during the week while I was waiting for the thing to arrive. But everything ended up tip top shape, even though it was just from a medical liquidator who had no clue what to do with it and I had to walk them through and give suggestions on packing. All worked out well .

Just picked up my first JVC (i'Art AV-27F802). It has SVM as a white sheet bullet point but the manual shows no user menu UI to disable it. Anyone know if JVCs (the ones without a user menu entry for this, which some do) have a service menu entry to toggle this, before I weigh my options of passing the TV along or opening it to disconnect the circuit myself? I haven't plugged it in yet, and won't be able to for a few days.

Do any of these two support component? Or should I look elsewhere.

>>5842903
I would assume no, purely based on design style. They look mid 90s to me, whereas component inputs didnt start becoming common until DVDs starting coming out, so late 90s and 2000s.

Best surefire bet is going to be a sony trinitron with a silver bezel. All the ones like that I've ever seen have had comp

>>5843008
I was going to say the same thing. Silver CRTs 20" and up are usually going to be from the early 2000s, and therefore have component inputs. Those black sets from the 90s will typically have S-Video at most, and nothing but RF at the very least.

>>5843021
Based

>>5842903
>>5843008
>>5843021
Do any of the component consumer CRT TVs (not computer monitors) support progressive scan? I was pretty sure they're all maxed out at 480i, but isn't the whole point of component cables being able to go up to 720p? help me out here

>>5843787
Yes, but only on the HD CRTs. Pic related would have been what you're looking for, but I don't think they ever made a single EDTV CRT.

>>5843797
>I don't think they ever made a single EDTV CRT.
They did, but they were very uncommon. I had a Loewe that had component and VGA input but was strictly 480p.

>>5843806
I know what you're talking about. Those were never marketed as EDTVs, and like you said only supported 480p. They are rare as hell though.

>>5843824
Why did you just repeat what I said as if I didn't just contradict you?

>>5843839
because EDTVs support 240p-480p

>>5843930
>EDTV
>240p
lolno

>>5843930
u r retard

>

>>5843930
I have a massive Toshiba CRT that can do higher resolutions. It can't actually display 240p/480i. Both get scaled to 480p

>>5844364
That's one of several normal behaviors for CRT HDTVs. It's why mulltiscan monitors that do real 240p/480i as well as anything higher are considered special.

>>5836491
Well, I'm using retro access cables. So I wouldn't call them shit cables. Megadrives/Genesis' are really a crapshoot for both audio and video it seems.
Nearly all model 1's have pristine RGB, except they have jailbairs
The audio on the early model 1's is good, but can have distortion/over-modulation that's really apparent on certain games.

Will HDMI to VGA (with an OSSC) add any input latency?

>>5844556
Yeah, those are fine. I'm talking about the el cheapo chinkshit cables you can get for like 5 bucks. I have a backup set that's chinkshit because I have two consoles. The well-built cables like from retro access or retro gaming cables show perfect images with no jailbars on either of my two consoles, and they're both model 1s. But with the chinkshit cables there are jailbars because it uses sync-on-composite. And just using default composite cables shows jailbars as well.

They both have the good sound chips too. Not sure if there are specific board revisions that always have jailbars on model 1s, even with csync cables.

>>5844821
you will have some amount of jailbars in nearly all console, even with VDP pin lifted, because traces go near RAM chip/traces. However most of the time the leftover jailbars will be unnoticiable even on the best CRT, you will only see them on digitalizing devices (flat panel, ossc...)
Ironically enough, the model with the least (none according to some) is the VA7.

>>5844852
I decided to test this out. Here is my HD graphics model genesis displaying to an LCD. Its going through a transcoder to component because I do not have any way of displaying RGB to an LCD, but it shouldnt matter for the purposes of this test. I'm not seeing any jailbars whatsoever. The blue sky that typically gets the worst jailbarring is still totally solid. Console is unmodded. SCART cables are from the UK seller

>>5844902
And heres the exact same setup, but with the chinkshit cable. Obvious jailbar effect, presumably from using composite video sync

>>5831820
>was thinking of buying a Emotia to downscale from my PC to use it but 400$ seems a little too expensive any alternatives?
Emotia seems a bit of a hyped up meme based on that price when the only thing going for it is 240p.

The VSC 500/700 are generations newer, have many more features like remote control and tons of menu options and don't require and expensive proprietary power supply with a din connector. You can even get 240p by connecting another Extron box to the VSC output.

I'm using a VSC500 to connect a PC to my Sony Wega via component and it's perfect. The price? I won one for $15 bin on ebay and the seller tossed another for free in the box, so I paid about $7. These things are all but worthless at this point.

>>5844902
your tv might low pass analog video, enough to hide jailbars, and you might also have a mobo with minimal jailbars.

>>5844953
The setup is exactly identical. I changed nothing but the cable. Only difference is shielded csync vs unshielded sync on composite

>>5844793
Nothing perceivable. A few milliseconds

>>5844852
I more recently got some retro access genesis cables for a model 2 genesis and if there are any jail bars, I couldn't see them. But I was running it through an OSSC so I don't know if that helps with jailbars at all.

>>5828239
>>5828267
I have the big brother of that scope, the Dumont 303-A. It has dozens of tubes and must weigh almost 100 pounds, note the CD for scale and 2 handles to kill yourself lifting it. Found the original manual dated 1952 too. A lab scope, it goes to 10Mhz which was staggering for the time.

>>5844793
I have those exact same speakers. They are nice.

>>5844932
Yea but that outputs 480i while the emotia outputs 240p. Your device is kinda useless for playing games.

>>5845758
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51890

https://www.videogameperfection.com/2012/03/29/all-about-extron-rgb-interfaces/

As I said, you simply add an extron rgb box to the VSC to get 240p as well. It's ridiculous how some get hung up on using one solution to a problem, and getting raped in $ because everyone says it's best.

Anyone have any info on the Olympus OEV 141? I know some Olympus models are Sony PVM rebrands, but apparently this one is equivalent to a Panasonic MT-H1480. However I can't find any documentation on either of these models.

Regardless it was decently cheap so I went ahead and got it. Plus I'm curious how a shadow mask professional RGB monitor looks. All the stuff I've ever had has been sony aperture grille.

What's the word on the early 2000's polaroid consumer sets? I found a ~20-inch set with s-video at my local thrift shop for $10. Is something like that worth using to start my retro setup?

>>5846208
it'll do the job but it's just some cheap chinese/taiwanese set like anything modern polaroid.

>>5846054
That looks really solid for a monitor of that era.

>>5846285
Yeah, I think so too. Seller also thought that the front nobs were missing, but from other photos of MT-H1480s I've seen, it seems those are just meant to be internal controls you only tweak with a screwdriver or whatever. So as far as I can tell it couldn't be in better condition. Only real downsides I can see are that it doesn't support component, and that AFAIK it doesn't appear to have any on-screen menu like Sony PVMs.

Just have to hope it arrives in one piece.

>>5846316
>it doesn't support component
That S-Video is going to look amazing.

>>5846327
it has RGB dumb-dumb

>>5846337
>dumb-dumb
I didn't see that lol, but as a yankee, I may still just stick with s-video.

I would like to have a ChangHong CRT set, just to have something as peak, proud chinkshit as that. I mean, they didn't even try to pass it off by slapping on a devalued "name only" title like Sansui on it, or a sneaky "Durabrand", or Orion...not even the horrific "Symphonic".

Nope, just a proudly borne "ChangHong" standard, there for all the world to see like the sign in front of a cheap roach-infested buffet in the tough part of town that sources it's General Tso's "Chicken" from the odd alleycat unlucky enough to be out back when Chang has his cleaver handy.

Gotta love those the scan lines.

>>5846345
Bullshit

>>5846412
orion sets aren't that bad actually. probably my favourite "value" brand of crt.

I'd forgotten how awesomely they timed Rydia's re-joining the party

Probably my favorite character in FF4. Maybe in all of the FF games that I've played (only thru 7). Up there with most of the FF6 "cast." Probably beats most of 'em.

>>5846498
Though for gameplay, nothing will ever beat FF3/5.
>>5846412
Or get a non-shit set with a Chungwha tube.
Some of the best tri-dot RGB monitors I've ever seen.
>>5846327
Thanks now I'm depressed from the picture, and have cancer from the >no component meme.
This will give fewer conversions to the original RGB source so I say good for him if he gets it.
>>5846054
Panasonic/Matsushita makes (made) some amazing sets. I bet you'll love it if it gets to you intact and is a "low mileage" example.
>>5845040
Yeah, my lectrotech scope is about 25 years newer (1978) and only does around 6 mhz, I think. Haven't got a manual for it to verify. Those are both super nice scopes you got.
>>5846345
That's your loss.

>>5846513
tri-dot chungwha tube, 14" Panasonic monitor

>>5846520
now with better "big picture" example.
Apologies for the blur around edges, this was a cell phone pic so it's not exactly got amazing focus outside of the center of the image.

>>5844913
Jailbar effect isn't from composite video sync, it's because the subcarrier signal from the VDP runs on a trace next to the blue video trace and interferes with it. Cutting the subcarrier trace close to the VDP will cure that but also remove color from RF/composite video (and S-Video if modded for S-video), forcing you to use RGB. Cutting the trace, soldering a wire to the trace, and running it to its destination (encoder chip) will cure it and keep color. Easier said than done though. Soldering to traces is pretty annoying and depending on the revision you may have to solder extremely close to the fine-pitch VDP which you will NOT want to accidentally bridge any pins with misplaced solder on.
additionally:
>scaler-tard
>LCD-tard in the CRT thread
If it's clear on your "pro rgb cable that costs way too much" it's probably got an isolation transformer on its blue line to cut out a range centering at 3.579 mhz.

>>5844852
>none according to some
You can see them in 20L5fag's old videos from the one he did.
I obtained similar results with the one that I modded. I think youtube's compression is making it less noticeable in his video though. I see it more in the yellow, funnily enough, on account of how little attention most compression codecs pay to blues.

>>5825542
>>5825556
Wow, and that's a pretty basic model Ikegami at that. I have pretty much the highest end SD Ikegami, the TM20-80R, that I bought on ebay about a decade ago for a bit over $100 (with shipping!) in mint shape.

>>5846570
Good for you
Now stop bragging. It does look really cool though.
>>5846558
At 1:49:47 or so he does the sonic CD intro and I can see it there in the blues, but it's one of those things where if I pause the video to try to screenshot it I just get blockiness and can't really see the jailbars anymore in the freeze frame.

>>5846546
I'm pretty sure he isn't even using a scaler. And LCD was just for demonstration for clarity purposes

>>5846576
If he's not using a scaler, then the lack of anything resembling a pixel is even more disturbing. It looks like an HQX filter or something from an emulator.

>>5846576
And newer LCD's do do all kinds of processing to signals. A great example is the motion interpolation thing that they do to ruin movies. Never trust modern LCD TV's to display what you're feeding them.

>>5846573
>Now stop bragging.
It's one of the few things I can brag about while thinking about stuff like seeing USA Saturn Rayearth new for $50 at release in a mall EB store. But then, I picked up a copy of Snatcher Sega CD for $5 back in the 2ks...