/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Ended, pretty much waiting for a final release
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

=== NEWS ===

[8-15] 'Out for Blood', an episode of Blood maps
http://www.blood.freeminded.de/index.php?section=episodes&id=612

[8-15] Anon map release: Bloody Pulp.wad
https://mega.nz/#!Nsx1XCjL!o1qx7szJl0dVCguEITpWLudg9gZ-Dj3AsBWFEj01Sto

[8-14] Anon map release, he wants feedback
https://www.mediafire.com/file/dzwap1o46z2uf87/testmap.wad/file

[8-13] Anon shares more Doom books
https://pastebin.com/tHE6PCUr

[8-12] Legion of Bones, a spooky monster pack balanced around vanilla
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65583

[8-12] Anon makes a Linux CLI launcher script for GZDoom
https://pastebin.com/kQVs46z3

[8-12] System Shock 2 Enhanced Edition by Nightdive announced
https://twitter.com/NightdiveStudio/status/1160740078685057025

[8-11] Dial-up for Murder releases some Doom-inspired MIDIs, for free use in projects
https://dialupformurder.bandcamp.com/album/midi-nightmares

[8-7] Blood: Fresh Supply updates effectively discontinued
https://imgur.com/Eexiyzi

[8-7] A recent list of old websites hosted by Doomworld
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107986-dws-old-hosted-sites/

[8-5] DBP14: After the Fall RC3/final release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107872-dbp14-after-the-fall/

[8-5] Anon Doom map release: Lumber Lordosis
https://archive.org/details/lumberlordosis

[8-3] Assets from id's mobile games exported
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101479-sprites-and-textures-extracted-from-id-mobile-games-now-with-orcs-elves-2-and-doom2-rpg-brew-resources/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-2013695

[8-3] Golden Souls 3 demo released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=65056
https://youtu.be/QfJAGY--giA

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It's much too late for a DOOM thread. The caco is sleeping. Please don't disturb him.

>>5813104
>[8-15] 'Out for Blood', an episode of Blood maps

This worth playing?

It's been 6 months since I started my procedural FPS project. Doing a 9 to 5 job and working on the game starts to ruin my health.

>>5813108

>>5813108
I'm gonna pet the fuck out of you

>finally finished marathon run of Ion Maiden
No regrets. Other than frame drops, the game was a good experience.
Now the question is, will people map for it? Though the map design in game is top notch, will the weapons and monsters get any love from the community that warrant it being mapped for instead of any other build game?

>>5813145
I honestly doubt it. I'd like it to, but if people don't map for Duke, SW or Blood they're not gonna start mapping for IF.

I've used Build/Mapster for decades now and know it like the back of my hand but it is woefully outdated for a new audience who want something like Doombuilder/Trenchboom

>>5813150
What happened to the GZDoombuilder guy who went on to make a Douk 3D map editor?

Is Ion Fury good?

>>5813167
Only if you play it

https://www.doomworld.com/pageofdoom/
A nice website about Doom history.

>>5813123
you get like 10 maps a year for Blood, on a good year
it's not Duke or Doom
if you like Blood, you've already 100%'ed them maps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K0oeM0wHeY

>>5813130

>>5813191

Ion Fury Maiden Lady soundtrack in tracker format.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/s80xg88v7nao00o/ion_maidenfury_xm.zip/file

This is the best thread on 4chan right now

MARINATED MOZZARELLA

>>5813236
MARINATE
PHALLUS

>>5813236
AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa

what's the password ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBq6gK2RIfU

Sick ass remix, wew

>>5813209
It's already on Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/album/4usS9aMCNW9IVplwVdL1Re?si=nuGBz_48R5St-Qrx46-54Q

>>5813258
>not linking to the original channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HSpWQH4iRs&list=PL7doxo2n1VJ_m2r-2TtEFjPGJ9ZiXip-U

umm...

>>5813242
>>5813245
zoomers fear him
boomers hate him
this UGLY son of a bitch is perforating all your orifices and basically you're fucking stupid

>>5813262
.xm is betterererer

SKI OR DEATH

>>5813297
How did you manage to get out of bounds?

>>5813167
It is, but the human enemies barking the same fucking 5 sounds over and over and over again is driving me nuts.

>>5813327
Doors can push you through walls among other things

>>5813331
>>5813327
>doors don't kill you in a build game
truly doesn't belong on /vr/ :^)

>>5813250
You tried the usual /v/ passwords?

>>5813304
Hold this for me. I need to use the bathroom.

>>5813330
They're cybros with proprietary audio software. No one figured out how to make them say anything else before the cyberpocalypse.

>>5813209
One track is called Maiden. HA!

>>5813340
maybe, i need to try

>>5813330
wow you have problems, seek help

I haven't played Fade to Black, but I wanna ask: are there any significant content or tonal similarities between it - and Half-Life 1?

>>5813342

>>5813427

>>5813414
Just play it

>>5813383
Excuse me?

Why are mappers so autistic?

>>5813474
Because you didn't align your textures. Get back to work.

>>5813478
Lol it's not me. I'm specifically talking about the guy complaint that the bricks are going along the top with no support. Who fucking cares? Fucking map fags

>>5813481
looks UGLEH
but if you place 3 fiends in that corridor nobody will notice

>>5813474
have these people wronged you in the past?
because I get the impression its always (you)

Anons
About that Daisy mod....
I think we found a compromise we can all agree on

>>5813491
>zoom zoom slayer
>nintentoddlers
No!

Doom should be re-licensed under the MIT license
>still open source
>source ports/raven engine source code still retain their gpl license
>zenimax/nu-id would be able to make propietary forks so they don't have to make hacky ports to Unity riddled with bugs and inaccuracies

Prove me wrong.

>>5813520
You need to go back.

>>5813531
It's not a Unity port.

>>5813531
a MIT license you say?

>>5813531
Nah, fuck Zenimax, Bethesda and Nu-id.

>>5813547
>nu

>>5813487
Guess 3 times

>>5813548
There's probably nobody left of the original now.

OH SHIT IT'S FRIDAY.
What are you playing this weekend, you honkytonk motherfuckers?

>>5813567
Attempting Ion Maiden run on hardest

>>5813584
Get ready to quit and uninstall.

>>5813123
If you like terrible games, then sure.

>>5813584
Is the only difference between the last two difficulties enemy behavior? I could only manage to do the first 2 maps on Maximum Fury before I had to drop it down, and it seemed to have the same enemy total.

>>5813564
Jay Wilbur!
Father of deathmatch
Mis-identifier of Arch-Viles
Staunch opposer of doom being moddable

>>5813564
>>5813598
Actually Wilbur now works at Epic, I'm thinking of Tim Willits?

>>5813587
Pff please, I already beat the second hardest.

>>5813604
Tim is a sack of lies, and he left the other month.

>>5813535
You need to Dilate

>>5813614
What a catastrophe!

yeah, id died with Carmack resigning, or arguably much earlier than that with Romero

>>5813614
Sandy Badmaps is still there isn't he?

>>5813618
id were coming apart during Doom 2's development, in some ways even before that.

There are a fair few of these old developers that have nobody left anymore, and are an entirely different company wiggling about the corpse to sell games that might not otherwise sell.

>>5813624
bruh, he left to make the age of empires games, and I think doesn't do games anymore

>>5813624
Sandy left in 1997, he does a load of his own stuff now, especially his own /tg/ stuff.

>>5813627
Like Monolith, Raven
daily reminder Jace Hall has to have Blood's source code somewhere

>>5813631
Huh, could've sworn he was still there.
I guess Kevin Cloud is all that's left.

>>5813614
A miserable little pile of secrets?

>>5813616
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

>>5813624
They're all gone.

>>5813647
You really don't want to know, I guess that shit is the new /pol/kids thing after that one GDQ.

>>5813652
>look it up
good lord
why would anyone do this to themselves

>>5813652
Well, now I know. You're right. I really didn't want to know.

>>5813660
Mental illness.

>>5813647
wish I had never looked that up... wtf is wrong with people

>>5813491
Cute

>>5813474
Texture alignment is important for Doom as well.

This room was difficult until I found a reflective shots pickup. I have to wonder how you're supposed to deal with all these hitscanners on harder difficulties....

>>5813564
Kevin Cloud and Donna Jackson.
Tim Willits quit recently.

>>5813616
I'll dilate your asshole.

>>5813624
Sandy's maps being bad is a meme.

>>5813616
>buzzword

>>5813715
RMB flare gun twice, everything dies

>>5813715
flaregun alt fire assrape

>>5813717
Trannies leave pls :/

>>5813729
That doesn't make any sense, how am I a tranny if I'm talking about fucking you in the ass with my dick?

>>5813737
I'm the guy you replied to, you're talking to some other anon
I don't get it either, and I'm a lvl 80 shitposter

>>5813737
You can't, I do not consent :/

>>5813616
You need to Die.

I got ta say that I was enjoying the early parts of this game (and Shadow Warrior) where ammo was relatively scarce. The downside to playing a lot of Doom mods like Doom Incarnate is that there's barely a sense of resource management and you never have to scrounge or resort to melee to dispatch enemies.

Not even gonna give Ion shitty another try when it's fanbase is that fucking awful

>>5813806
?

>>5813806
This thread doesn't need your drama

>>5813806
Ok.

I haven't been here for a while, fellas.
What did I miss?

Lt. Typhon is such a nice mod.
Love the sprite work and easter eggs.
My only issue is that it gets too easy sometimes.

>>5813830
ion fury got released

>>5813567
Finishing up Deus Ex and starting Shadow Warrior.

>>5813847
Gonna be doing Ion Fury and Destiny 2.

>>5813843
Also it's shit

Finished Turok 2 Remastered. I loved it.
The level design wasn't that painful as I remember(Hive of the Mantis and Primagen Lightship were pretty difficult).
The arsenal is awesome too, so are the enemies and the soundtrack.
What I disliked was the way it punishes you for not getting all the objectives nut that's not a big deal.

I wish there was more Adon porn

>>5813715
I just get the invisibility and either fire a rocket or two, or two secondary flare shots.

Ion Fury is just mediocre... I liked the demo mission, but the first levels of the final game is just a typical community trope collection, scatterbrained Build porn, overdetailing, confusing layouts, switch hunting and poorly designed monsters. Some of the OG Duke devs like Allen Blum should have designed this game instead of amateurs.

>>5813890
Starting the game right about now. I am really fearful of this. A masterpiece on the build engine tech level with great mood and design....

But everything else seems dull as fuck on previews, from the antagonist to Shelly boring shittalk. I hope I am wrong.

>>5813890
I agree with everything you just said

>>5813892
Forgot to add I hope to see some cool mods.

At least it's going to look beautiful, Blood has some amazing gorgeous levels but near the end it peters out.

>>5813890
I honestly don't find any of the weapons, enemies or the protagonist any fun, but it's worth playuing for the build engine porn

so what would be a good way to shill Hideous Destructor to an audience of 30k people?
Though initial view surge might vary from 4k to 6k views, it would still be a nice chunk of people to expose to the mod, I wasn't really satisfied by the way Icarus covered it that one time and the mod has been updated regularly since then.

I might ask Eric for permission to use some of his HD footage so people can see some competent play.

>>5813897
She just sounds so fucking dull and fake.
I bet I will replay ashes 2063 after this.

>>5813897
there have been some impressive mods for eduke over the years i dont wanna spend 25 bucks for build porn.

>>5813902
I have found more success shilling Hideous Destructor to people who already like tacticool shooters (a-la old school Rainbow Six/Ghost Recon/ARMA/Flashpoint/etc) instead of people who just like DOOM. There's crossover for sure (I'm one of them that likes both), but I think it's much more rare to find a random Doom player that likes tacticool combat than it is to find a player who already likes tacticool shit and just get them to try this Doom mod.

While Eric's gameplay is fantastic, I would also encourage you to include gameplay from other tiers of players, not just the tip top tier. If you only show veterans, then people might think the only way to enjoy HD is to be good at it already, and when they try it and they suck initially, that might discourage them. The journey of suck is a big part of the experience imo.

Is it just me or is Ion Fury's highest difficulty (Maximum Fury) not that bad?

I haven't finished the game on it, mind you. But so far what I've played on MF doesn't seem that horrifying as Civvie feared in his review. Seems pretty doable, specially with the weapons being so powerful. Even abusing Loverboy's alt-fire cowboy execution thing while crouching, weaving, and jumping around is more than enough for many encounters

>>5813918
I think he mentions it, the game only starts getting hard as fuck in the mid or so.

>>5813920
What changes from UV to MF anyway? Both enemy count and enemy damage? Or just one of them?

>>5813660
Narcissism.

that anon last thread who said doom's enemies were basic should try and play heretic because bosses aside, it has a more basic ass enemy roster

>>5813912
I think you're right.
Your best target audience is people who like both games like Doom and Quake, and games like SWAT4 and Rainbow Six.

>>5813923
Seems to be attack frequency and reaction time.

>>5813941
Heretic isn't a bad game, but it's an example of why you actually want hitscanners for shooters like these.

What I am finding in Ion Fury is that while the art for weapons firing is great, the enemy animations and dying animations are crap and not satisfying. It's the first fucking thing you make sure looks good in a game like this.

>Duke Nukem
Held hostage by Randy Bitchford after the most infamous development hell in gaming history.
Dead as fuck
>Shadow Warrior
A good reboot and a mediocre sequel that has nothing of the original, most likely stops here
>Wolfenstein
Started great and promising with the first "New" series entries, then went to shit with New Colossus and Youngblood, also probably dead
>Quake Champions
Gets less players, lack of focus and care by the devs. Dead

>TFW Doom might follow the same path
All these franchises making a comeback looked so promising but so far they went downhill not too much later.
Look,I'm hyped for Eternal but Bethesda track record has been a disaster lately. And makes me fear they could interfere with the development.
I fear that id software showed us only the good parts and hiding the bad ones.
It doesn't help how bad the Doom community became around the time Eternal was first revealed at E3 2018.
In Social Media, forums etc.
It became unbearable for me and doesn't feel the same anymore, I only found anything pleasant by the community mods(even with the occasional drama).
In the end I'm hyped and fear the day Eternal comes out. Because if it turns out to be mediocre or worse than Doom 2016(which I liked) or straight up bad, then it's going to be nuclear.

I tried Demonsteele ans and really enjoyed it and I was thinking.
Would it be possible to make a Metal Gear Rising mod?

>>5813984
still waiting on flying wild hog to make a Blood remake
make the cultists even more deadly, make it grimdark as fuck, set it in depression era detroit, it'll be great

>>5813984
Greasy Bastard is in a lot of hot water so the future of Duke isn't certain yet.
I think there's still enough love for Duke from people who liked Duke Nukem 3D.

Shadow Warrior 2 I wouldn't even argue is mediocre, I would argue it's below average. It seems it killed the reboot as a series because I haven't heard anything at all about it since.

Wolfenstein took an absolute fucking nosedive after Machine Games switched the dev team, but there's still one more game left (Youngbloods was apparently a spinoff). It's not looking good so far, but if we're REALLY lucky, maybe it's the old dev team who will make the last game.

Quake is very uncertain. Machine Games said they were interested in doing something with the IP, which depending on what dev team gets it could be either great news or a tragedy.

>>5814038
That would be interesting as fuck, but;
1) Atari
2) How much are you willing to trust Flying Wildhog haver Shadow Warrior 2?

>>5814042
>Shadow Warrior 2 I wouldn't even argue is mediocre, I would argue it's below average
movement physics are fucking awesome, but you need to play on bullet sponge mode to even have a chance for any cool weapons dropping
I'll co-op that bitch one day, see what I thunk

>>5813194
What's the name of that butch old lady?

>>5814043
none of their games are nearly as good as painkiller's simplistic perfection, but hard reset to SW to SW2 they've been steadily improving

How do I get someone to draw Quake 2 guy/Turok/both in business suits eating breakfast and they suddenly go "I'm late for work!" And they grab their shotguns by the handle and rush out the door

>>5813126
What engine?

>>5814059
>Turok
Which one?

>>5814017
>Would it be possible
Yes, if you make it

>>5814059
Quake2 guy is called GRUNT in q2, BITTERMAN in Q3 (cos of the escape pod in intro q2 level)

Quake2 had some of the best models and skins. Who remembers the Krak Hor model? Was practically canon

>>5814084
The one that had a shotgun with a handle

I'm really fucking tired of Joel's Doom map contests

>>5814130
I want Joel to host something with Quake or Build

>>5814135
Joel ain't that good in Doom, imagine him in Quake or Build engine games

>Show someone Hideous Destructor
>IRON SIGHTS AND LEANING IN DOOM?! HERESY! WHAT HAVE WE COME TO?

Why are people such tryhards. We get it, you want people to view you as some purist snob. Could you be less annoying about it

>>5814130
Joel is a nice dude but he's not that good at Doom.
Doesn't help that most of those maps in these contests are low effort crappy meme stuff.
Then you have more interesting ones but he doesn't bother.

Cool gam

>>5814140
>>5814130
>>5813806

>>5814153
What about my HD post gave you the impression that I am unkind?

taco bell la le lu

>>5814153
>somebody saved it
that edit always brings a smile to my face

>>5813806

>>5814047
It's not awful, some things are better (weapons feel more punchy and satisfying for instance), but the level design and the enemy design, they're such a dramatic downgrade it's not even funny.

people have ported blood textures to quake
but what about putting quake textures in Blood

So who made the first ever fan Ion Fury map?

>>5813984
What's wrong with nuShadows Warrior 2?

>>5814241
Aside from some improvements like movement and more punchy and satisfying weapon sounds.
It's a downgrade in everything else.

>>5814241
it's a step up from shadow warrior remake part 1 in many ways, but it's also very clearly trying to be borderlands and it's all a mess

>>5814171
I would argue the enemy design and variety is improved in SW2 over SW1, but the level design is still very bland. Just a couple medium sized playgrounds with random shit spawned in, only a few actual levels. On the other hand the level design in nu-shadow nu-warrior 1 was also very bland with maybe one memorable sequence in the entire game (the castle in the clouds)

>>5814083
Unity, with lots of custom code for
1. making normal mapped sprites work properly
2. porting over my IK/hierarchical animation engine for segmented sprite actors
3. the procedural map generator itself and the asset "mutator"

>>5813890
I disagree with everything you just said.

>>5814152
descent is such a wierd game concept
>yeah space ships dogfighting
>full polygonal 3D 6 DOF
>set it in quake levels for some reason

>>5814268
>the procedural map generator
Interesting coding challenge, not a fun gameplay mechanic.

>>5813647
>What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?
nothing, they just love repeating phrases and memes just became while ironically using the npc wojak meme with no self awareness or second guesses

>>5814271
Quake was set in futuristic mines?

>>5814305
it's complicated

>>5813491
*pumps cock*

>>5814271
Descent I & II is set in mining and military installations, III had some more "recognizable" environments and limited outdoor stuff.

Giving it a second chance right now Quake 2 is actually quite enjoyable.
Guess I was just a little burnt out on FPS last time I tried it.

>>5814269
Doesn't matter that you disagree, the maps are cluttered as shit.

>>5813297
>>5813327
And no one comments on how the "city" under the clouds is a circuit board

>>5814346
They really aren't though. Of the build engine games this is the one where I have gotten lost the least amount of times.

The final boss of Ion Fury gets my vote for the most obnoxious boss ever put in an FPS game.

>>5814375
Because no one but you cares. Have sex.

>>5814324
My favourite part of Quake 2 is the room with all the boxes

>>5814268
>procedural map generator

Making a good one requires even MORE effort than making levels by hand. That's why good procedural maps do not exist in a realm of 3D - 2D is magnitudes easier and even then good generators are exceedingly rare.

>>5814130
He could have handled them a lot better.
IIRC he said the next contest he'll do will be something different, and he's acknowledged that the second one was mismanaged and a mess, so I figure he'll put more thought into whatever he plans next in that regard.

He said something like how if he does another Doom contest one of the rules would be that levels shouldn't be longer than 15 minutes, and that people shouldn't perhaps submit giant epics.
I really hope he'll try to get better at actually playing Doom when he does that as well, because him not being very good at the game was part of the problem.

>>5814379
But how is the boss fight itself?

>>5814376
>They really aren't though
Sure thing, chief.

>>5814143
Half the time he was sucking, the other half of the time he was sucking and cheating.

It was painful to see decent looking maps being treated like shit because he was rushing to stream GTA instead or some shit.

>>5814381
0/10

>>5814384
>He could have handled them a lot better.
Like being atleast alright at the game to begin with

They are really right about Ion being build porn.
It's so beautiful. Fuck I want games to just pick this late doom\thief 90s aesthetic and make evermore complex games. It's never going to happen.

has anyone tried making a doom mod inspired by space station 13?

>>5814417
Several times, they've all failed due to the complexity of trying to pull off that shit.

>>5813715
By not sucking ass

I've seen so many discussions on franchises reboots but how about a Turok reboot/sequel?
Yes, there was a reboot in 2008 but that kinda sucked. Prey 2006 felt more like Turok.
Anyway, I think an upgrade system would be neat,for example you start with a bow, then you level it up and becomes a Tek bow.
It could avoid the arsenal to feel cluttered. Keep the Cerebral Bore, it's iconic.
About Turok himself, either Joshua or Tal'Set would be fine, not a fan of Danielle and Joseph.
More power ups like using thunders and summon animal spirits as companions.
A berserk mode where you wield two tomahawks and slash the enemies, like the katana in Shadow Warrior.

Anything else?

>>5814392
>the maps are cluttered as shit
Sure thing, chief.

>>5813920
To be honest, I never found the UV too difficult at any point. The final boss was the only time where I felt "How the fuck do I pull this off?"

>>5814392
Not everyone has directional dyslexia, anon.

Amid Evil > Ion Fury > Dusk

>>5814273
6 months ago I tried some "manual" mapping, but the project changed a lot since then, I wanted every run to be a unique experience. It's now closer to a Heretic/Hexen-like dark fantasy setting across 6 thematic zones. I also included a waypoint system like D2. No inventory or loot management.
I almost have the generator at a point where it produces consistently working and fun maps across a complete zone.

I'm over the hump with Quake 2. Like a lot of people I find Q2 pretty boring early on but after getting some of the heavier weapons and stretching my legs the game clicks for me. The gamefeel isn't good but once you get competent enough it gets a bit better.

>>5814445
Not retro, retro, not retro.

>>5814441
I wasn't arguing traversal, cockbreath. Why don't you go find me a portion of map in an open area that doesn't have shrill colors all over with nothing to rest the eyes on? The game is a complete eyesore, plays fine, but otherwise is a nigh complete fucking mess to look at.

>>5814447
Damn anon you're making me want to give Quake 2 a second chance

>>5814398
Yes, as said in my post.

>>5813918
Civvie actually blows at FPSes

>>5814447
The OST is also fantastic. Gravity well, Kill Ratio, Quad Machine, Descent to Cerberon. All nice

Come to think of it try to mute the music in Quake 1 and put Quake 2 soundtrack. It fits so well.

>>5814445
>People putting Amid Evil on top
Why? What does it do that's so good? All I see are forgettable enemies, shiny weird maps and gimmicky magic weapons that are just glorified guns minus the satisfaction of firing a big fuckoff gun.

>>5814435
UV seems to be the perfect balance for me. Just challenging enough to play without having to quicksave between every encounter.

>>5814454
honestly this is one of the reasons I couldn't stand playing this game for more than a couple hours at a time. the maps flow decently but they could've turned the detailing down a notch, it can be a bit disorienting cus the enemies can blend in with the environments sometimes. i guess I'll just get used to it the more I play, but I find the visual design both impressive and impractical. I think civvie brought this up in his review at some point, good call from his part.

>>5813918
The glass cannon thing is right. Most enemies later on have the ability to one shot you.

>>5814474
>try to mute the music in Quake 1 and put Quake 2 soundtrack
You fucking heathen

>>5814468
He's pretty good, he also admits it that despite loving games like Blood he sucks at them. I watch him for the comedy.

He still plays them better than Gmanlives though

>>5814476
Yeah, I started off on Wanton but by the end of the second level I realised it was too easy. UV is great because the fights are more frantic and some of the enemies have the ability to utterly destroy you if you're not paying attention.

>>5814485
Whoa I still love Quake 1 OST, I just pointed out how well Quake 2 OST fits

>>5814480
It's very busy and crammed I agree. Enemies needed more animation maybe.

It's funny going the extra detail pcs can handle now is really amazing, but for example HL echoes did it well keeping it detailed but slim.

>>5814490
I started on the highest, but was getting shredded endlessly during the wind factory level and dropped down there. I was worried about anything lower not having the max amount of enemies, but that doesn't seem to be the case between MF and UV.

>>5814494
>It's very busy and crammed
That's the issue I have with most Retro FPS maps remakes

>>5814468
His motor skills are lame but they aren't what I sit through his videos for. He did give some fair assessments on blood 2 and shogo in a concise fashion, and I guess it's got do with his personality more than anything else, but I find the 'romping through a game and dissecting it as we go' approach more oddly revisitable than a flat review. Makes you want to check out the subject matter on your own at one point too, you know?

I also like that he brought forth the term 'raw' as a referral for underdeveloped/poorly thought out mechanics and outright bad design in vidya.

>>5814504
Sometimes it's the other way and go too minimalist.

Most shit in arcane dimensions is great.

NICE
FUCKING
MODEL

>>5813330
Totally agreed. Imagine if you were playing Doom and every fucking shotgunner repeated the same 2 lines over and over. They should've had them grunt or breathe instead of speak.

>>5814525
Arcane Dimensions looks wonderful.
About Ion Fury it reminds of Deathwish for Blood when it comes to the city levels.
All maps are incredibly detailed but not as busy are Ion Fury(still looks great though)

>>5814429
The only thing I kinda agree with there is that the detail is pretty evenly spaced out. So sometimes things don't stand out so well. It's hard to get lost, but visually it's a little overbaked in some areas.

>>5814525
>Most shit in arcane dimensions is great
>that e1m1 remake where each secret from the original is a red herring

>>5814532
>>5813330
Yeah. I hope a mod comes out to reduce barking frequency or something. That should be entirely within the realm of possibility, I hope?

>>5814375
Normally youre so far above it looks like a city

>>5814529
*grabs crotch*
HONK HONK
>>5814532
What about the cultists from Blood? They never shut up and yet I've never found them annoying because of that.

>>5814468
He's not horrible, but he's not reeeaaally pro. He lacks accuracy and a little timing.

is the recently Ion Fury map editor compatible with other build games?

>>5814475
The flak mace is fucking awesome. The satisfaction in using that weapon comes from killing enemies and seeing them fly a hundred feet away or slam into and stick to a wall. And the game doesn't really get truly great until episode 4. Also, to be honest none of those games are really that great. Dusk starts pretty good but around the halfway point it starts to drop in quality. I'm really not that big of a fan of the third episode. Its also just way too fucking easy. The only way to make the game harder was to play the one hit and you're dead mode which is such a lazy, bullshit way of making a "Hardest" difficulty. I just finished Ion Fury so I'm still processing what I thought about it, but in general I thought the enemy design was just okay and the levels became pretty bland after the first few zones. The only level I thought was memorable later on was Heskel's House of Horrors which is clearly one of the levels they put the most time into. Its really fucking good. The weapons felt good to use for the most part but there were too many throw-able explosives. Amid Evil isn't the most consistent game but I thought episode 4 and 6 blew anything else in the other games out of the water. Its also the only game out of the three to have half decent boss fights.

>There's a manwa(korean manga) based on Blood called Priest
>The creator himself confirms it
For being quite obscure for years, the game sure left its mark

>>5814521
I would have gotten this if the Switch port had multiplayer.

>>5814481
Even with full armor and health? If so, why even have a health/armor system at all if enemies can one shot you through it?
Might as well go the Dante Must Die route and make it so that everyone dies in one hit.

>>5814529
>>5814542
Which Civvie review is that NICE FUCKIN MODEL + honk honk thing from, I don't remember. I've watched a ton and they've blurred together.

>>5814546
It's literally Mapster32 from the EDuke32 project.

>>5814586
Beetlejuice

>>5814586
A lot of them.

>>5814587
is that what the Death Wish dude used?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vprx6nKZmbU
HONK HONK

>>5814560
where to read

>>5814598

>>5814603
https://mangakakalot.com/manga/priest

>>5814426
Don't think leveling weapons up so they change into another more powerful variant is a good idea.
The old style of finding an improved version out in the field is better.

Now that we're at it. How would a Beetlejuice Doom mod could work?

>>5814619
It'd probably end up like a void map.

Ion Fury's shotgun is pretty satisfying, especially when you score a headshot. I wish they gave us more weapons though, who thought it would be a good idea to give us two grenade type weapons? Why not make the puck an explosive disc thrower gun or something?

I'm honestly surprised the Loverboy's altfire doesn't have some sort of cooldown or meter that you have to fill up in order to use it.

There doesn't seem to be anything to prevent you from abusing the shit out of it as often as possible - am I wrong?

>>5814627
Yes, it's overpowered.

>Dick's Secret Stashes
Who's Dick, anyway?

>>5814468
Civvie is entertaining at least, and admits he's not that good. He is also honest in his opinions and backs them up with practice and demonstration.

>>5814475
Different person, but:
Level design combines all the best parts of Heretic, Quake and Unreal. Out of all 3 shooters I like levels of AE the most, even if they are less detail-packed than IF, and for me levels are about 80% of the reason I enjoy oldschool style of shooters. Hence why I enjoy AE the most.
Also fantasy-FPS are such a rarity that AE really should be in a different league.

I love that the Loverboy is based on a real revolver.

>>5814627
It prevents you from running for a bit? That's all I can think of for downsides. It's nice to have a starting gun that isn't useless by the second quarter of map 1, but they went too far with it.

>>5814632
Dick Kickem.

Also there's an ATM by "worst ATM ever" that have "Nukem" marker on it, which throws money at you and squeals in high pitch "shake it baby"

Hey look at that, it does have bubblegum gut stretchies

>>5814619
look no further than that early quake mod recreating doom >>5814598

Is there anything from the Early Access period of Ion Maid- I mean Fury that was lost in translation to the final 1.0 release?

I hear people liked the preview campaign, but it seemingly doesn't exist anymore in the final game. Is it something 1.0 buyers are missing out on, or not really since it was repurposed all over the main campaign?

>>5814657
I always thought that looked terrible.

>>5814669
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

>>5814663
You can still play those levels in Bonus Missions (Crisis in Columbia)

>>5814532
>>5813330
I think they dried to emulate "smart" enemies of FEAR and HL2 that announced their tactics.
However in FEAR there were lots of lines recorded for each possible player position - Above us, By the Door, Behind that table, Lower floor, In that window, near the terminal etc... - pretty much every object on the game had several enemy lines to describe player's position relative to it, and then they gave tactical commands like "circle him, flank him, engage" etc.

IF enemies just scream "here he is" and thats it.

>>5814696
Surprisingly they actually yell "grenade, take cover" if you toss a bowling bomb at them. But that's pretty much it, and of course they can't actually take cover or communicate to eachother.

What's the best difficulty for the very first playthrough of Blood? I heard that hard is **really** fucking hard there. I only played Doom 1 and 2 on UV and Quake 1 on Hard so I wouldn't call myself very skillful.
Also what port is the best? NBlood, BloodGDX or should I maybe just play Fresh Supply?

>7/31

oof

>>5814696
>>5814532
>>5813330

A Direct a feature request for more lines at the devs
B mod it yourself

instead of being an INSUFFERABLE whiny sperg on a Mongolian kite builder forum. Fuck...

Still kinda shit that Ion Maiden is the prequel to that really mediocre Bombshell game. But it's fantastic just how good it is. It's like fucking Duke Nukem 3D 2.

>>5814641
Irl it's only a 25acp round though iirc. Which is pretty weak. I also don't remember if they fire all at once or sequentially. P sure it's sequential.

>>5814719
Dude. If anything you're the whiner. It's okay for people to discuss a game's flaws on a video game discussion forum.

>>5814746
Spotted the sperg

You gotta keep em separated

>>5814669
It does look terrible but it's awesome

Instead of human cyborgs replace Ion Fury's enemies with Quake Champions

>>5814669
What's the alternative?

>>5814729
>Still kinda shit that Ion Maiden is the prequel to that really mediocre Bombshell game. But it's fantastic just how good it is. It's like fucking Duke Nukem 3D 2.
pretend there's a good and bad endings or some shit like that

>>5814759
It's shame those cool models and skins are all squandered on a game like QC

>>5814759
>Quake Champions
Is that what they call furfags these days?

>>5814773
...no...

>>5814542
>They never shut up and yet I've never found them annoying because of that.
probably because of their latino esque gibberish, shouting and silly voices

In GZDoom, is it possible to make an entity to be completely transparent to all projectile/hitscan (meaning they go through it into whatever behind it) except for select few, without using GHOST and THROUGHGHOST?

>>5814717
It's not perfect but fuck I hope it sells. I want to live in a world of games like these.
But actually instead of just copying old 90s gameplay, taking that level design and even going further with what modern engines can allow.

I have this silly dream, and must not be the only one, of a industry full of games that pick up that old low poly clean textures aesthetic like Homeworld, Thief , Duke, Quake, and even semi 2d 3d console stuff and just make more complex games from theere.

Maybe I should just be glad and thankful this even exists, alongside incoming stuff like Wrath aeon of ruin.

>>5814759
i can't unsee the foot lick pic.

Why do I enjoy watching Shelly's mugshot get bloody/hurt/dead/decapitated/mashed

I'm not even an incel and I find it somewhat arousing in a morbid way. I felt somewhat similar to Doomguy's and Ranger's sprites, but not as much

>>5814810
you need some vanilla serum fast nigga

>>5814729
That kinda sucks but look on the bright side. If this game sells enough, we might get a sequel to that game but with the gameplay of Ion Fury.
>>5814770
The devs sure don't care about it anymore but they sure put tons of care on those models.
Ranger,Sorlag,Visor all have nice redesigns

>>5814810
You need Jesus

>>5814840
Jesus' bloody mug has a similar effect on me

So one of IF's reviews ends with statement on how oldschool FPSes got obsolete when Half-Life came out. Not trying to be that senseless HL hater, actually love the game, but I don't get it when people say how revolutionary it was. Only two things come to mind:
- Interconnected levels. Maybe it was somewhere already, not sure.
- Cutscenes that don't take control from player. IMO this thing is dumb, you just jump around waiting when NPCs end talking.

>>5814810
Bro. Sometimes you can just take thoughts and keep them to yourself. They dont need to be shared with the whole world

>>5814846
>IMO this thing is dumb, you just jump around waiting when NPCs end talking.
It's bizarre to me that the people who i've seen complain about some Japanese games have 14 minute cutscenes defend AAA titles with slow walking interactive cutscenes.
At least in most MGS stuff, you can skip most cutscenes and the experience will still feel "gamey" and tell a story that cannot fit a movie.

Is she really spewing Offspring lyrics?

>>5814846
Honestly, I think most people saying that nowadays haven't played Half-Life or haven't played it for a long time. It's actually still very close to the game that came before it especially when you compare it to games that came later and modern shooters.

>>5814846
"interactive" cutscenes is the worst thing HL has done to video games. There is not a SINGLE instance where such a thing is warranted or enjoyable.

>>5814860
GoldenEye did it first kinda

since we are talking HL any good mods besides Echoes?
dont know if you can take BHL and Half Payne outside of the campaing

So I'm curious about some Ion Fury stuff. Sorry if these are stupid questions.

It was built on EDUKE32, right? What are its differences with just pure Build? Just the OpenGL Renderer, or any limit-removing stuff a la Doom/Boom?

Could you use the IF client to run Blood, Shadow Warrior or DOUK by just loading its assets, sort of like an IWAD? Or does it not work that way at all in Build?

>>5814695
What a mature response to criticism. Are you even old enough to be here?

Anyone else having framerate issues in Ion Fury? My shit's running at like 20 fps and I'm playing on a mid-range PC

>>5814879
Turn off v-sync if it's on for whatever reason. If not, go into your video card settings and turn on OpenGL triple buffering.

>>5814879
Sometimes it does that. Have you tried lowering the resolution or using the launch command useallavailablecores?

>>5814879
it does run badly for me but to be fair its a laptop,
should have more than enough juice to run that thing though, its got and i7 7500u, 8 gigs of ram and a GT940MX, not a mid range PC by any means but having framerate issues in a build game is ridiculous

>>5814695
Having a bad day, champ? All that anon did was voice a fucking opinion.

>>5814879
Raising the 60 FPS cap to 120 FPS from the menu did it for me, even though I only have a 60 Hertz monitor. Also make sure VSYNC is disabled (it should be, by default)

>>5814885
The way someone explained it on the steam forums is that the hardware is holding back because it isn't expecting the game to be demanding.

The loverboy's alt fire is really OP. On UV I managed to clear the beginning of map 3 only using it with little to no penalty for doing this.
Why would that add a Red Dead Redemption style instant win button in the first place? I'm a total faggot so now I know its there I'm going to use it.

>>5814884
do you put that in the console or in the file path for the shortcut?

>>5814875
each Build game is completely different

Build, the base, is like a renderer which on tops of that provides a base for game code

Then each game takes that base for their game code and expands on it differently.

That's why you can't directly use Eduke32 to run other Build games, they all differ at the chore.

The exception being the games based on Duke3D code, like NAM or WWII GI

The spider heads are a little annoying, but what I really hate are the flying shits. They aren't fun to fight and they have a habit of hiding above your head and sniping all your health while you're distracted.

>>5814893
Yes, this is widely known. Kind of a galaxy brain move tee-bee-haich. Let's make the starting weapon OP as fuck. I mean it's a refreshing thing, seeing as most starting weapons are peashooters, but they took it pretty far with that alt-fire. It needs a cooldown or building up a meter or something. I've pretty much stopped using its main fire altogether.

>>5814893
Well you can use it if you want, but isn't it more fun and rewarding to pull those headshots by yourself?

In a way I think it's smart because it lets people who can't into oldschool shooters win their way through some of the tough situations. The same can be said about the bombs lock on.

>>5814893
I see two reasons: making it viable for late game (especially for those drone/spider heads) and mayyybe to make it not that frustrating for less skilled players or gamepad users.
Although unlike manual headshotting it doesn't trigger nasty death animations as often, for me at least.

Do I have bad taste if I think that Capital Offensive > LA Meltdown?

>>5814910
Use the penetrator on the flying guys, it shreds them instantly

>>5814920
Ah, like how some enemies in Duke are coded to die from explosions of any size?

>>5814810
I didn’t need to know that.

>>5814837
Gladiator skin for Ranger is pretty good.

First episode of Blood was really good! It lived up to the hype. Out of all the boomer shooters I've played it has the best gamefeel and movement.

>>5813167
It's beautiful, and the level design has good flow. On the whole, it's pretty good.

...But it could have been so much better.

The enemy variety is lacking, and what variety there is doesn't really seem like it's used to its full potential.

Similarly, the weapon variety is lacking and there's a distinct lack of punch to the higher end weaponry. You'll be using revolver and shotgun/grenade launcher 99.9% of the time.

The crossbow feels absolutely pointless unless it's allowed to overcharge, and then it's a room-clearing superweapon. Which is... fine, I guess, but its sprite gives very little feedback as to the true nature of its charging mechanic.

The cluster puck is beastly but... why so incredibly rare?

Minigun feels underpowered, and the uzis were honestly better in early access when I didn't have to worry about burning myself with them. The fire doesn't even seem to be particularly effective against enemies anyway.

>>5813145
>Now the question is, will people map for it?

Not unless someone releases a build engine map editor that doesn't have a UI from 1996.

>>5814729
It sucks that Shelly becomes Punished Shelly after she gets her arm blown off.

>>5813340
rage ?
vidya ?
/v/ ?
/vr ?

Ion fury is fun, but it's way too easy on 'well done' difficulty.

Let's talk about people who plays FPS games with auto aim on. Learn to aim. You're an embarrassment to our hobby. Turn off mouse acceleration, okay? You can do it anon

>>5813103
So, its true that I don't need to put an entire copy of the Duke 3D folder into the DukeGDX directory to work on BuildGDX. Sorry if I asked this before, I forgot.

>>5814957
>that crazy slow weapon sway compared to every other shooters
It's perfect, dunno why but it's just perfect for this game and there's just so little I dislike about all of it. Episode three was the only one that felt a bit dragging on but I liked the industrial aesthetic and it has one of my favorite levels in it.
Blood, Quake 1, and Doom and are all on the same level for me. Hexen is also up there but mainly because I loved the fighter and it was one of the first I played. I've not had anywhere near as much fun as the other 'boomer shooters', and I'm trying to realize why that is.

>>5814729
You do have to wonder whether they would have been better off just trashing the Bombshell IP altogether and coming up with something new, because it's not like there's a Bombshell fanbase like there is for Duke or Doomguy or Serious Sam.

Shelly as she is right now is just a soulless design-by-comittee mess of 'inoffensive non-objectifying female heroine', the result being 'slightly older Katniss with a louder mouth'.

It's a shame, because it's not a half bad game. Honestly a pretty good game and it'll probably fare well as a Zoomer's first retro fps. I even hope it does.

But 3D Realms/voidpoint are still a bunch of pussies for kowtowing to feminists who won't even play the game.

>>5814997
>3D Realms/voidpoint are still a bunch of pussies for kowtowing to feminists who won't even play the game.
Is this your stoic way of saying "they didn't give the woman a skimpy outfit so that upsets me"

>>5814976
>Let's talk about people who plays FPS games with auto aim on.

I was fucking staggered to see that autoaim was on by default.

Who the fuck wants autoaim on top of mouselook?

>>5814976
>Let's talk about people who plays FPS games with auto aim on
I don't mind if people need training wheels or want to play how they want as long as they understand how important it could be to shoot specific areas of an enemy. I've generally seen autoaim just direct towards the center of an enemy when you could, say, shoot them in the face.
Also, how often is this actually applied to mouse and keyboard users? It's mainly a concern with gamepads and analog sticks, in which case I can't really blame them using auto aiming because aiming with a stick sucks ass - which I guess, technically, I COULD blame them for.

>>5814997
Shelly's fine, you're just projecting. Remember, people are people regardless of gender. It's personality that counts anon!

>Laputan machine

Okay Ion Fury, I chuckled a bit. I would give my left testicle for a deus ex game like this.

Was Duke taken off of GOG?

>>5815003
>Is this your stoic way of saying "they didn't give the woman a skimpy outfit so that upsets me"

No, not at all.

But we all know why her design was changed in this specific way. There's no point pretending every alteration made to her wasn't done with the goal of bringing her in line with the social politics of today's mainstream media.

Pic related: This misshapen monstrosity of woman as drawn by someone with strictly amateur artistic ability is more entertaining and engaging than Shelly, and I thank GOD that Lt.Typhon is fully clothed.

>>5815012
>It's personality that counts anon!

Yeah, and she has zero beyond her one-liners. Duke's personality is evident in his clothing and his physique.

Shelly is dressed and built like a rank and file nobody in uniform.

>>5815041
>Duke wears a tank top so his one liners have personality
>Shelly wears a uniform so her one liners have no personality
Are you ACTUALLY retarded?

>>5815032
Yeah it a shit situation, dont worry mods maybe will come. And the game is so satisfying it's overriding the cultural faggotry.

>>5814976
>You're an embarrassment to our hobby.

Nobody cares

>>5815003
During EA there was a thread on Steam forums where guy bitched about how Shelly's design from 90s was much better than current one. This one, seriously.

>>5815032
What alterations exactly? Modern media's pandering is disgusting, that's true, but I see nothing in Shelly's design that counts as that. It's at least more interesting than previous 'duke but female' iteration.

>>5815032
>This misshapen monstrosity of woman as drawn by someone with strictly amateur artistic ability is more entertaining and engaging than Shelly
She's actually meant to look masculine like that and jokes on you I would still hit it

>>5815032
>changed
The game is a prequel to Bombshell. The third-person shooter. It's not supposed to be based on the ancient DNF concept art. In fact Shelly in Ion Fury is actually MORE attractive / less "SJW"-looking than the Shelly in Bombshell.

>>5813103
I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT R_VIEWMODEL_QUAKE 1
IF YOU PLAY QUAKESPASM TURN IT ON RIGHT NOW

GmanLives comes off as a guy who cannot stand to think of anything critically and just makes videos where he can complain about when games pissed him off

>>5815071
>SJW looking
How exactly?
I like Shelly design in Ion Fury more. Because it's more consistent but I don't see how the Bombshell one is "SJW".
The previous model for Bombshell(not the Duke one) was horrendous

>>5815070
Death by snu snu.

>complaining about how "SJW" the designs are

omg, this thread is pathetic, jesus christ

>>5815042
>Duke wears a tank top so his one liners have personality

Duke Nukem wears leather boots, blue denim jeans, a vest, shades and a jetpack. He's also 6'4" and built like Schwarznegger at his peak.

You know the fucking instant you look at him that he is an absolute badass full of steroids and 'murca. The second you hear John St. John's voice, you can hear it.

When you look at >>5815032 Typhon, you know she is a grizzled veteran MONSTER of a woman who is the sternest slab of beef on Phobos. Just like with duke, her voice backs it up, too. She sounds like she eats gravel and iron ore for breakfast.

Then you look at Shelly. Oh look, it's the sidekick form Dredd 3D, but with brown hair. She's a generic future cop and she has the voice of a lady who does radio commercials.

>>5815058
See https://3drealms.com/news/visual-history-bombshell/

There were many designs that weren't 'Duke nukem but female' that still looked striking.

The spirit of the original character was completely abandoned in 2003. And along came the tacticool garbage.

>>5815075
No need to yell anon. But what does it do?

>>5815071
>Shelly in Ion Fury is actually MORE attractive / less "SJW"-looking than the Shelly in Bombshell.

More conventionally attractive, but also, more boring.

I'd take the bombshell design over this.

>>5815093
Restores the original Quake viewmodels
Quakespasm has the viewmodels lowered slightly down for some reason and it looks weird

>>5815097
I actually didn't know that. Thanks anon, I'll change that next time I play quack

The 2 genders: male and disabled

>>5815090
There are many borderline porno ones also, yeah. I like the Motoko-inspired one from 2003 though.

I have to agree every single incarnation of Shelly has been kinda...bland
>blonde bimbo
>forgettable sidecut chick with robot arm
>the current one, inoffensive policewoman spouting vapid one liners

I mean the only line I remember her saying is "say my name" and it doesn't have any staying power, Shelly is incapable of stealing quotes the way Duke could.
So when you compare her to the other Build heroes:

>Steroid abusing machismo man who is an amalgamation of every action hero of his time.
>Walking asian stereotype who is also a dirty old man with a childish streak, occasionally lets his serious side slip
>Psychopath from the 1800s seeking revenge for his lost love, takes perverse pleasure in the suffering of his enemies

Her VA is just not up to the task sadly.

>>5815102
Shelly will be both soon.

i hate doom 2016 doom 2 was a good game................

>>5815115
I guess the fucking sexiness in heavy metal magazines was so much, it emptied this gen from making decent female characters that look good while kicking ass.

>>5815115
Of all 3 I loved how Caleb was the best mix of serious and outright fucking crazy.

I was not expecting the feels with that yell of despair when he finds ophelia.

Chex Quest is my favorite doom mod

>>5815041
I'll admit that her appearance is a bit bland. That menu screen is problematic. I like the voice actress though. Sure, she's somewhat of a budget Julie Strain, but Shelly is an above average badass

>>5815087
The funny thing is I think her current design is a lot sexier than the 90s one, but I really don't find the blonde bimbo look attractive.

>>5814879
>fps
I am having this issue as well and have triple Buffering on.

>>5815141
>Show yourself!
>SHOW YOURSELF!

>>5815115
Exactly this. There's nothing wrong with her design. The problem is the premise. Shelly is just a cocky policewoman.
Which pales in comparison to the Build trinity protagonists.
She's on the same level as Leonard from Redneck Rampage in terms of charisma, who's just.... a redneck.

Caleb, Duke and Wang have their lines as references but they're very distinct from each other in terms of personality and the VAs help to emphasize that.

Sad thread is sad

>>5815138
Really miss that kinda shit.

>>5815115
I wouldn't care that much about the hero character design for an FPS usually but in the case of Ion Fury the lack of creativity in Shelly's design actually show up in the game's weapons. They're as bland as she is

>>5815159
Yeah we had it god damn it and we lost it all.

Most stories were shit sure, except moebius and some others, but the aesthetics were nailed.
Now we have the most tame and bland age possibly, I get a little sick each time I see a game with fortnite type shading,

>>5815156
I like Leonard though.
Shelly is okay, but I kinda agree that her voice actress lacks some power behind her words. At least in the one liners. Some of the level-to-level stuff is p good.

>>5815170
Some lines are really well delivered. Most feel fake.

>>5815138
I'll say one thing: I am a degenerate through and though for any kind of 2D female, but 90% of "sexy action girl" designs just fall flat for me.
I like western art, I like anime tiddy, but most designs in both ends of the spectrum just rub me the wrong way, they look so fucking samey and I can't put my finger on exactly why that is.

I would welcome a protagonist like the one you posted merely to spite the pear clutching crowd, but eh I'm not feeling it.

>>5815141
Same, he gets enough characterization in just one game. He's an anti-hero, maybe even a villain but oozes charisma.
Also his voice is better than ASMR.

>>5815087
>>5815158
go gargle cum

>>5815174
Depends on the artist. I am not saying everybody taste is the same.
And I am not asking for complete utter bimbo like sometimes that particular epoch fell into.

But I am sure we could do better, we just dont want or even cant sometimes.

>>5815159

Anything. Somebody mod the main menu image, it looks so fucking shit.

>>5815079
blah blah cry more fgt

>>5814792
I think some indies are already doing that (Paratopic). Still we are very far of seeing a new real FPS in that style.

Ion Fury is great, but the main character is kinda uninteresting and the arsenal could use a few more crazy BUILD-esque weapons.

>playing Wolfenstein 3D with ecwolf
>the automap feature actually makes travelling the repetitive corridors enjoyable
>hitscan enemies are a little annoying but they are easy to kill anyway
>having fun
>reach this part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uxaHez-hYE
>mfw

>>5815174
>>5815187
I think it's about one thing:context.
Let's take Hunter and Major from Quake 3.
A lot of women in that game are sexualized but others not because it's about on what the supposed to convey.

>Hunter
She's based on a character by Simon Bisley.
She's a tribal amazon warrior.More campy and over the top,this gives more freedom on sexualize her.
She's not meant to be taken seriously.

>Major
Basely a skin from Quake 2 multiplayer.
A cold-blooded soldier from a more serious game.
She's wearing an hi-tech outfit and not sexualized because it fits with her character.

>>5815194
>Anon asks about the design
>cry more faggot
How mature

>>5815226
Where do you think we are?

>>5815003
resetera cunt

I would fuck klesk no problem

>>5815071
> In fact Shelly in Ion Fury is actually MORE attractive / less "SJW"-looking than the Shelly in Bombshell.
nice try, resetera pedo tranny cunt

>>5815090
>The first concepts of Shelly were drawn in 1997, and had a heavy emphasis on sexualization, which was not uncomon the mid-nineties, although a bit embarrasing looking back with 2018 glasses
Pretty fuckin gay stance they have there.
Oversexualization needs to make a return in style. You can have someone be a badass, sexy, and fun, and keep an interesting story.

>>5815258
>>5815250
Anon why do you have this bogeyman in your head and what did they do to hurt you

>>5815250
>>5815258

>>5815223
based anon

>>5815090
For me the Panosian designs look great, and he's a great artist, pic related is almost godlike and has as much character as the other Build protagonists.
I'd put them from best to worst as:
>1998 — Panosian
>1999-2001 — Richards
>2003 — Feng Zhu
>2018 — Current
>1997 — Chick Nukem
>2015 — lol

>>5815261
>>5815264
triggered resetera pedo tranny cunts
seethe, cope and dilate

>>5815138
>Metal boob-plates
>Exposed midriff
>Exposed thighs

Lady no wonder you have scratches on there, your armor is missing key weakpoints

>>5815269
I forgot to put 2000's colored Richards design between 2018 and 1997

>>5815275
Anon I really have no idea what you're talking about, are you even speaking english at this point

>>5815269
Man, having a whip would have been cool as hell

>>5815138
This armor looks like a parody of what someone would find sexy. But to each their own I guess.

>>5815220
do you mean ep 2 in general or a specific part in it?

>>5815290
>>5815276
I know this supposed to be fantasy but that looks impractical as hell.

>>5815298
I know right
Like why even put a suit of metal armor on if you're just going to have a fully exposed center mass and partially exposed chest
At that point you might as well just wear light armor so you can move faster, or fuck it just go naked into the battefield if nerds get off to that

If you're going to put on heavy ass metal armor you at least want to make sure you're covered, otherwise why even bother with the extra weight

>>5815290
>>5815298
My god, you autistic buzzkills

>>5814882
I turned V-sync off and that boosted the framerate a lot. For some reason it still runs choppy as hell though

>>5815138
Man I remember the controversy when Heavy Metal got adapted to that sort of weird game.

>>5815316
HM:FAKK2 was a great game and a Q3 engine showcase

>>5815306
My god,you impractical nonsensical armor design wanker

>>5815323
autistic resetera tranny propagandist

>>5815323
Focking autist, you fit well into the sterile 21st century

>>5815306
If you're going to do sexy, do sexy. If you're going to do armor, do armor. Sexy armor is fucking impossible, because it's going to be clunky ass metal lingerie that offers no protection whatsoever.

>>5815327
Fuck off

>>5815331
No, fuck you and your bullshit you cunt.

>>5815327

>>5815331
>If you're going to do sexy, do sexy. If you're going to do armor, do armor.
Don't tell me what to do.

>>5815331
You kiddies just don't get it. :^)

There was Doom here, it's gone now.

>>5815331
>>5815337
No need to get violent you tranny

>>5815331
no u resetera tranny cunt

>>5815339
>Don't tell me what to do
Breathe

>>5815276
>>5815290

And here lies the problem. It's all or nothing attitude. No fun allowed.
I am surprised nobody said the usual "have sex".

Japan will continue to one up the west with crap like nier automata.

>>5815337
tranny cunt got triggered
get the fuck out

>>5815351
This is not armor. It is not meant to protect you from physical harm. The design of the robots is purely for aesthetics. Therefore I don't give a fuck, give your robots triangle titties if you like. But if you're going to wear heavy armor, then make sure it fucking protects you otherwise why bother just go naked lmao

>>5815316
I still have it installed. Crappy game, but decent for its time in Q3 engine.

>>5815351
Yeah, no fun allowed apparently. This generation is fucking DEAD inside.

>>5815364
>This generation is fucking DEAD inside
Holy shit dude you're not even out of your 30's and you already sound like you belong in a nursing home. And all this because someone said boob plates in armor are silly.

>>5815364
we need to trigger them so badly that they will keep those shooting sprees up

>>5815362
Fuck you.

>>5815370
underage should kys themselves

>>5815370
I'm gen-x, little sperg.

>>5815378
That's even sadder.

>>5815373
have sex
breathe
dilate
seethe
cope