/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5815028
>4/19/2018
Old news is SO exciting!

>>5815059
>Old news
Old fake news.

>>5815028
Hey OP we've only had this thread 30 times this week make sure to post it a couple more times

>>5815028
Reducing the lag over what was intended is legitimately cheating.

The man said it in the youtube video so it must be true!

>>5815028
poorfags. lol

>>5815408
You can try it out for yourself.

>>5815028
Having less input lag than real hardware doesn't sound like a good thing. The game was designed with the hardware lag in mind, wouldn't it make the game feel weird to have less lag than the developers planned for?

>>5815593
>real hardware has 0 lag, emufags btfo
>no actually, it has some lag
>well it's supposed to be like that
Retro gaming is a fucking religious cult, I swear.

That's fine. Just realize that any speedrun, time trial or high score you do with this won't be valid.

>>5815601
Everything has some amount of lag, it's unavoidable. It takes time for the signal to go from the controller to the processor to the TV to your eyes for you to then react. It might not be much time, but it does take time. It's just fucking physics, man.

Are you posting bait instead of playing games? That's what it looks like to me.

I think it's great. Full-color reprints of valuable comics don't make the originals worth less nor does cbr copies. All it does is bring greater appreciation for the classics which is awesome.

>>5815028
>>5815601
Do you honestly think retrofags care about shit like lag? It’s all about hoarding shit zoomer

>>5815028
can we emulate these yet?

>>5815593
I think it's more about negating the framebuffer the emulator has and probably additional lag caused my monitors and wireless controllers and whatever. it's not actually less laggy compared to real hardware, just way way way closer than before

>>5815631
Yes, you need to be shooting at a 15khz display though and have a composite signal to run through the gun. It's not something you just plug and play like on a console.

>>5815642
>was not expecting this
how the fug?
A consumer crt tv with vga input and pc+gpu with vga output?
What software runs this?
PC lightgun ? (not infrared)

>answered my own questions
http://www.act-labs.com/
Well there you fucking go. This will come in handy as I have a mame project going on. Any other tips ?

>>5815670
You can actually make a real Guncon work but yeah, it's a whole rabbit hole I'm sure you don't want to go down. Those ones from Act-Labs work the same basic way but are compatible with higher refresh rate displays.

>>5815028
should have wired an LED in parallel with the button press so you know exactly when the button press occurs

>>5815631
Yes. Wagglefags have been doing it for many years. And it's shit.

>>5815408
He didn't say it.
Did you even watch the video?
He didn't say anything.
He filmed the actual thing happening.

>>5815634
>maybe if I try to use fancy words someone will believe me

Collecting is good for financial reasons since they will be worth more in the future and I am sure museums will want them.

At the end of the day, better framerates is welcomed.

>>5815809
You are actually a retard if you think that sentence was overly verbose.

>>5816049
>im actually retarded because i said overly verbose

>>5816096
Who are you quoting?

>>5815606
Emulation speedrun times are based on frame count, anyway.

>>5815028
YOU COLLECT GAMES BECAUSE GAMES ARE FUN AND GOOD AND NICE TO OWN

>>5815028
So emulators no longer emulate? Wow

>>5815028
>"Western" style "progression" over OG hardware
>no one cares
kys

>>5815371
But the cool kids insist there is noticeable input lag on lcd/led tvs, even though there is no practical input lag. This option would even out the "input lag" making it just as responsive to the original hardware. So, which is it?

>>5816098
A retarded fedora tipping summerfag (You)

>>5815751
How is it worse than light gun? I played House of the Dead 4 using a PlayStation Move and got a comparable experience.

>>5818328
The developer intended for you to play with an uncalibrated light gun covered in Chuck E. Cheese pizza slime with a 2ft cord

>>5815028
Yeah, no. Kys

Collectors don't care about input lag, they don't actually play the games

>>5818313
Every word in that sentence has its place. There's nothing about it that is pretentious.

>>5818328
In every way possible. Your PS move was comparable to what? Another wagglegun? lol. Have you ever even used a real light gun?

>>5817807
There is noticeable input lag on lcd/led TVs, what are you talking about? It's a few frames too. Nearly every new game has input buffering which makes it seem smooth while it isn't. That emulation technique only reduces the input lag by ONE frame while TVs add much more frames than that (depends entirely on the TV and if it has a gaming mode but it still adds much more than one frame on every TV).

>>5818804
So if I'm playing on fat ps2 connected to picrelated with RCA cables (av3 front) what's my input lag? And how much worse would it be if I used some kind of psx/ps2 emulator and some LCD with relatively low input lag? Asking out of curiosity.

>>5819209
no wait, on ps2 as well, not on emulator.
haha embarassing

Its still fake.

>i-it's fake n-now move on before my carts go down in value!

>>5819209
>>5819210
Let me try what to put what that guy is talking about into something understandable.

Basically theres 2 types of video, Analog and Digital. What all modern TVs use is digital. Now Digital TVs can display analog video sources(Red Green Yellow cables or coaxil) but first they have to convert that signal to digital and doing that takes time as most scalers in TVs are relatively cheap thus you usually get lag of a few frames. This can be disorientation in action games as you can feel the delay. CRTs however are usually analog(except for the big made in like 2006 that are widescreen and have a hdmi port) and since they do analog natively they display the picture instantanious(where you can percive the processing time as everything even computer compute cycles takes time)

tl:dr
Digital TVs(Modern) gotta process old signal thus lag
Old TVs(Mostly CRTs) dont have to process old signal thus no lag

>>5819209
>>5819210
As for digital consoles on digital tvs there isnt any more lag than on a old console on a old tv, not anymore thats percevable(unless it isnt the max res of the tv/monitor though that might only apply to older flat ones).

>>5818804
Stop repeating what you read online, hook up a console (if you even own one) to your lcd/led, turn on game mode, no noticeable input lag. A long time ago, maybe ~15 years ago, my sony lcd had input lag, even in game mode. That was the only single tv I used that had practical input lag.

>>5820427
But there still is noticeable input lag, try using some reaction test on a non-laggy monitor and a TV
I've looked for TVs with little input lag when I purchased mine and I'm happy with it overall, there's still lag tho
I use my Switch on different TVs and the lag among different TVs is noticeable for me, could only test out retro consoles with a low latency monitor vs my TV since I don't have the room for a CTR sadly, the lag is still noticeable
Of course it doesn't matter when I boot up RPGs or other chill genres but when I pop some racing game in there's still a difference

>>5820207
>As for digital consoles on digital tvs there isnt any more lag than on a old console on a old tv
Yes there is. Much more lag.

>>5820427
>Stop repeating what you read online, hook up a console (if you even own one) to your lcd/led, turn on game mode, no noticeable input lag.
Stop repeating what you read online, hook up a console (if you even own one) to your lcd/led, turn on game mode, lots of noticeable input lag.

>>5815028
The KH1 PS4 Version did exactly this and portions of the game got kind of fucky as a result.
Not always a good idea.

>>5815028
Oh look it's this thread again. Never happened, never gonna happen.

>>5815189
Kill yourself Drumpftard.

>>5822778
/vr/ is a redpilled and conservative board

>>5819209
8.7ms vs 9ms

>>5815028
>RetroArch developers invent time travel

>>5822803

You know they get paid per (You), right? Do your best to ignore them. Video games > leftist bullshit. That's why we're here.

>>5815028
They've had runahead for like a year now. People who rely on youtubers for news like these should refrain from posting here.

>>5822778
cringe

The only frame lag it can reduce is the kind that's present in the actual game, such as SMW's 2 frame lag. It can't reduce lag caused by your computer, your TV or your controller.

>>5824040
>2016 meme

>>5824389
>retarded non-meme
wew lad

This isn't even new

>>5818804
It can reduce by more than one frame

>>5819209
>how much worse would it be if I used some kind of psx/ps2 emulator and some LCD with relatively low input lag?
How much worse is having cancer than having cake?

>>5815028
Bull. Shit. You can't beat the real hardware on a CRT.

>>5825592
As much as i emulate things these days. You are 100% correct. That is how games were played, that is how they are authentically experienced. Some people dont like, care for or cant get into the paradigm shift that is created by using authentic hardware. Its similar to setting up a record player and listening to records on an old zenith speaker.

>>5815028
Talking this up like it's better is stupid.

>>5815028
>skipping frames

>>5826141
Hahahhaa nice. Really, why even play the games at all if you're just going to hack them to make it easier?

>>5815028
joke's on you, i was already on suicide watch for unrelated issues

>>5826196
To have played the games at all in the ways you prefer.

>>5826213
Caught sayef?