/vr/ - Retro Games

You're missing the only one worth playing, Granstream Saga

Koudelka

I see you've listed "Final Fantasy games" however, FF6 is a few steps above the rest. Well, a few steps is putting it lightly. Is there a reason to play any other JRPG, no any other game after playing FF6? It puts every game you listed here to shame. If you've played FF6, you've played it all.

>>5806165
Why even continue to live after FF6?

Is it bad that I only experienced Grandia on PS1?
I had no idea it was on Saturn until recently, in fact I only ever saw a single copy of Grandia in my life and it was in a bargain bin at Kmart when I bought it.

Actually I never really knew about Sega's existence at the time.
I always walked past the Sega games at the stores and assumed they were for PC or something.
I think the Dreamcast is the only one I ever acknolwedged and that was out of stores pretty quickly.

>>5806236
You don't know Japanese so what fucking choice did you have?

>>5806237
Oh I see, I got chewed up in another thread recently for not knowing about the Saturn version.
I guess that guy was a total weeb that expects 10 year olds to import japanese only JRPGs.
Thanks for the tip.

>>5806146
Beyond the Beyond and Persona

>>5806146
breath of fire 3, wild arms 2
but I consider both of the series to be a waste of time in comparison with Valkyrie profile or final fantasy, or even suikoden

Vandal Hearts and Vandal Hearts 2 are good.
Saiyuki: Journey West is okay.
Vanguard Bandits sucks.
A lot of people say Front Mission 3 is the best.
Persona, Persona 2 are nice, pretty different from later entries and more similar to the baseline SMT series.
Final Fantasy Tactics is one of the all-time greats.
Wizardry 1-2-3 is good, but it doesn't have the original music, which is just so great. Go with the SNES version.
Thousand Arms is bad.
Beyond the Beyond is bad.
Azure Dreams is kind of enjoyable, more as a town builder than a roguelike Pokemon dungeon crawler.
The Breath of Fire games get better with each iteration. 1 < 2 < 3 < 4 < 5
Valkyrie Profile is okay, but has great graphics.
SaGa Frontier 1 and 2 and Legend of Mana are great.
Jade Cocoon is pretty weird and worth trying out. Not sure about the sequel, I've heard it's pretty different.
Threads of Fate is kind of cool.
Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure is super easy and weird, not great. I played it to get a girl to sleep with me.
Brigandine: Legend of Forsena is pretty good, there's an updated version that was translated on romhacking.net that adds a second part that's worth checking out. The company that made it just trademarked some new game in the series, so it might come back.
Dragon Quest 7 is the absolute best Dragon Quest game.
The Suikogaiden games are okay if you like visual novels or are a big fan of the Suikoden series. I wasn't that into them.
Hoshigami is bad.
Kartia is bad.
Shadow Madness is bad.
Dragon Seeds is bad.
Eternal Eyes is okay.
Asuncia: Matsue no Jubaku seems pretty cool but I can't get it to work right.
Well, there you go.

>>5806260
Okay, I'll do all the games you've listed.
>>arc the lad
1 and 2 are good.
>>brave fencer musashi
Okay.
>>breath of fire IV
Good.
>>chrono cross
Good.
>>final fantasy games
Good.
>>grandia
Bad.
>>legend of dragoon
Bad.
>>legend of mana
Great.
>>legaia
Bad.
>>lunar
Bad.
>>parasite eve
Good.
>>star ocean
Okay.
>>suikoden
Good.
>>tales of
Bad.
>>vagrant story
Great.
>>valkyria profile
Okay.
>>wild arms
Bad.
>>xenogears
Good.

>>5806265
And I'll be glad to elaborate on any of this, but there's a ton of games and I can't give a big write-up on all of them all at once.

>>5806273
valkyria profile is better than vagrant story imo, and bof do.not.deserve to be more than okay category

>>5806236
Grandia is a terrible game so it doesn't matter which version you played.

>>5806146
Persona

>>5806265
>>>Xenogears good
Yeah, on the trash your opinions go.

>>5806265
>Legaia
>Bad

Elaborate, I'm curious

>>5806146
Persona 2: Innocent Sin and Persona 2: Eternal Punishment

>>5806328
Didja know they cranked the encounter rate up and the exp and gold rate down for the American release?

>>5806332
I did, only recently
But the game still feels easy

>>5806260
Why is Beyond the Beyond bad? I was thinking of playing it.

>>5806418
I dunno why he categorised it as bad, since I quite like it, but it's an early RPG and the developers weren't using much of playstation's capabilities, so it basically ended up as a SNES RPG that runs on the playstation. (Which is kind of nice too in its own right, as I'm not fond of the early 3D that PS games represent.)

I think that it's aimed a bit at the female crowd too (that cute dragon pet, for instance), or that's the impression I've gotten from playing the Japanese version. They probably scrubbed some of that from the US version...

Game-wise... that beefy guy you get near the start is almost worthless. That's an irritation to me at least.

I say it's still worth playing though.

>>5806512
Okay, thank you.

>>5806146
fucking ehrgeiz quest mode nigger. stop sleeping on that shit.

>>5806146
You're missing the better Breath of Fire game.

>>5806146
SaGa Frontier 1/2
Breath of Fire 3
Persona
Guardian's Crusade
Tactics Ogre

>>5806332
Thank god for that. Not that you would know if you just played it. It's still not very difficult

is this worth playing?

>>5806558
Eh they just increased the grind. It's not like combat is any less brain dead.

>>5806652
It's a flawed, but pretty interesting game.

>>5806652
kinda. nothing groundbreaking, sounds and music can get annoying, and that is not a good thing in jrpg. characters and story is nice. it's short(shorter than chrono trigger tier). it's scary shit. so if you have 10 hours give it a go

>>5806652
FUCK no.
The story and atmosphere are very good.
But the game is SLOW AS FUCK. And I mean, unbelievably slow. It's even slower if you don't emulate. A battle against a single enemy takes more than 1 minute to complete, and that's if the enemy only takes 2 attacks to die. And there's a ton of battles.

Koudelka would be much better if the battles weren't so slow. Or numerous. I've played this back in 2003, when I was 17. I tried to revisit it last year, and couldn't bear playing more than 2 hours of it. For your information, you find the third character (the priest on the left of the cover) almost 2 hours into the game. Do you know how many rooms that is? 10. 10 rooms.
Imagina taking 2 hours to navigate 10 Resident Evil rooms. That's how slow Koudelka is.

In the end, I used a code to turn off random encounters, boosted my levels by 10 every 2 hours, and just enjoyed the ride.

>>5806146
>arc the lad
Whew... lad.

>>5806652
Koudelka is a 10 hour game and the prequel to the awesome Shadow Hearts 1/2, absolutely.

>>5806652
Koudelka is rather short, but it has one of the worst examples of padding in an RPG. It's 10-13 hours long, but at least 9 of those hours are just battles or loading screens.

Some good shit also available in english, either by fan-translations or in-game switches:

> Akumajou Dracula X
> Bringandine Grand Edition
> Front Mission 2
> Langrisser IV
> Persona 2 - Innocent Sin
> Super Robot Taisen Alpha Gaiden
> Tales of Phantasia
> Tear Ring Saga
> Wizardry - Llylgamyn Saga & New Age of Llylgamyn

>>5806692
>Symphony of the Night
Not sure if that really counts. Why'd you call it by the Japanese name? And also
>Persona 2: Innocent Sin
Don't leave out P2: Eternal Punishment

>>5806742
Yes, that was a mix-up. In my head Rondo of Blood (Saturn) was localized but not Symphony of the Night (PS). Never mind that.

>>5806171
Because a braindead lidl Joker isn't peak villainy.

>>5806260
>A lot of people say Front Mission 3 is the best.
Far from it, it was probably the only FM they played.

FM1 is pretty fucking great, think FF tactics with a bit of random mechanics on skills.
Visual side of the game is awesome and even tho gameplay getting a bit stale near the end its still far cry from the drag FM3 becomes halfway into the game.

FM2 is a great improvement over FM1 and have tons of gameplay mechanics that never made it into FM3 and did a lot to increase tactical layer of the game.

Visuals are great, mech designs are way above anything you can see in FM3 and map size is in some cases x10 what you have in FM3.
Enemies also have more military units that do more than just shoot at you.

FM3 have great artstyle and comfy backgrounds, nice tech design and internet with tons of lore but its pretty shallow tactics wise and kinda requires you to grind VR training to learn stuff you want which in turn over levels you and lowers your rating.

Its a good albeit shallow game with lots of good sides that spread itself too thin across all those hours of gameplay.

>>5806146
Suikoden 1, 2 and Legend of Dragoon are all shit.

>>5806146
>arc the lad
The whole series is a pretty big "meh"
>brave fencer Musashi
Really cool and fun
>breath of fire IV
Along with III are the best JRPGs on the system
>chrono cross
Too confusing, I couldn't get into it, too many choices
>final fantasy games
VII is okay
VIII is trash
IX is the only great FF game
>grandia
Really should play it
>legend of dragoon
This one too
>legend of mana
Same as with CC, too many choices to make, so much to miss iirc
>legaia
Haven't played but want to, but I think the combo system might get tiresome with the high encounter rate
>lunar
Great fun in that 90s anime kind of way, the only game to feel like an actual anime
>parasite eve
I don't care for body horror
>star ocean
I played the PSP remake a long time ago but my PSP died while I was pretty early on in the game, haven't tried since
>suikoden
Should play this one as well
>tales of
No opinion
>vagrant story
Awesome systems that suffer from a lack of polish, should start this one up again
>valkyria profile
Have I played any games?
>wild arms
Same as the one above
>xenogears
Ditto.

>>5806260
>Dragon Quest 7 is the absolute best Dragon Quest game.
This is a based opinion and rarer than it should be

I might be too easy to please, but I never played a PS1 JRPG I didn't enjoy greatly. I played a lot of them, too.

>>5806146
Disgusting fact: more than half of those series got gacha games in Japan.

>>5806146
SaGa Frontier is a great nonlinear JRPG

>>5806772
RoB was a PC Engine game, SotN was on both Playstation and Saturn. The PS version of SotN is the only one of the three that was localized. Rondo wasn't, and Saturn SotN wasn't.

>>5808810
Legaia's combo system is
>Select the player's commands (up, down, up for instance is a move)
>Then choose who will you attack
>Do it for all 3 (you don't start with a full party of course, but it's a party of 3)
>Then attack
And the game always keeps your last command with everybody so you can just repeat what you're doing with weaker enemies
But I still think the higher encounter rate isn't that higher, I even used to get Bad Luck Bell (item that makes the encounter rate go even higher) equipped to level up my Seru monsters
Oh yeah, there are monsters which you can capture, this is another reason to get into fights, you have a chance of capturing one by defeating it

>>5808842
True story. DQ7 was a mass amalgamation of the past DQ games while adding in a main story that imo has pretty good pacing for being a game that's longer than Persona 5. Unfortunately it got overshadowed since it was released near the same time as FFX and a bunch of other PS2 games. That, and DQ8 was looked at with lots of positive reception since it was the first 'next gen' game in the series.

>>5806146
>arc the lad

Never tried that one because the name sounds terrible.