/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5798538
I've played through all of them, this series is something like a hidden gem. I really dig what the first game was trying to do, but it doesn't pull it off very well, unfortunately. Luckily, it has a cool story to pull you in anyway. The second game is amazing in every way. I think the series took a turn for the worse when they made the protagonists reluctant from 3 and onwards, and the story in the latest game (not the expansion) is full-on anime-retarded, although the game play is in some ways better than ever.
What did you want to discuss?

>>5798651
Millennia was a good protagonist and I agree that the second one was best storywise. I could actually tell you about the characters in that game where as all of the others are pretty forgettable.

Millennia was innocent enough to be sympathetic, and yet you could still buy her being a sadistic murderer being manipulated by the people in her life she trusted. The TMD was an interesting storyline as well.

I also dislike how it in in Dark Dillusion and Trapt it seems like you aren't in any one location long enough for you to become familiar with it.

>>5798538
Because not many people played them, but I will be now thanks to this thread.

>>5798538
I played a ps2 game called "Trap" or "Trapped" where you're a girl trapped in a mansion and need to set traps to kill people off. Was it a sequel to this? One of the handful of games I don't mind playing a chick character.

>>5798832
>Was it a sequel to this?
Trapt is Deception 3, yes.

>"i'll try deception 2 it's about setting up goofy rube goldberg traps and juggling people into spikes right"
>okay bro now slaughter these innocents and sympathetic characters because your not-vampire family said so
Granted I'm only five minutes into the game but I'm reminded that I'm a huge pussy who doesn't playing the bad guy. I guess that's a sign of good writing and atmosphere if I already feel like a sack of shit.

>>5798875
Just wait until later.

You kill a child in one mission.

>>5798903
I would say I'm looking forward to potentially defecting but given the tone of this game so far I'm going to ruin a lot of people's days either way.

>>5798912
Evil Genius is a much lighter tone (albeit not retro) management video game where you're the bad guy but it's all good fun since your enemies are essentially james bond.

>>5798916
I forgot that Majesty might be a retro game by now. In that one you play the king and you send heroes on quests for you.

>>5798918
In Dungeon Keeper 2 you can throw priests on torture racks and have women in S&M outfits beat them until they join your side.

>>5798920
I can't believe that series was ran into the ground. Fuckin Dungeon Keeper.

>>5798832
>One of the handful of games I don't mind playing a chick character.

>>5798995
He's afraid he'll catch the gays.

>>5798995
I feel the same as him. I couldn't play as Zelda so I never played the Zelda games.

>>5798998

>>5798651
>I think the series took a turn for the worse when they made the protagonists reluctant from 3 and onwards
I have some misgivings about the tone and atmosphere in 4, but I do think Laegrinna is a pretty good protagonist. The protagonists of 3 and Trapt continuing to act like hapless damsels in distress while slaughtering hundreds of people was a bit puzzling.

>>5798832
Yeah, I have no idea why they decided to drop Deception/Kagero from the title when they localized it. I didn't play it until after that generation ended because I didn't know it was a part of the series.

>>5798875
Millennia doesn't have to be a villain, but the game is pretty dark regardless. Sometimes Millennia can just frighten away opponents who don't really deserve to die, but other times they think they have a cause that's worth dying for and refuse to back down.

>>5799039
>Millennia doesn't have to be a villain, but the game is pretty dark regardless. Sometimes Millennia can just frighten away opponents who don't really deserve to die, but other times they think they have a cause that's worth dying for and refuse to back down.
It's a pretty "no good deeds goes unpunished" kind of tone - sparing people generally makes the game harder because they come back in later missions with reinforcements etc

>>5798651
Milenia was kind of reluctant too. Deception IV goes back to not-reluctant

>>5798538

3 especially looks amazing in PGXP. It looks somewhere between N64 and Dreamcast.

I swear I saw some youtube videos on this, but I can't find it now.

>>5799145
And then IV: Nightmare Princess goes full stupid with a injured and bullied Japanese High School girl acting out her revenge fantasies in a dream world, using a red headed sadist to kill her attackers and hospital staff in their sleep. Also the protagonists from the other games were pulled into said dream world

I still love these games though, shame it's pretty much dead.

>lure enemy into shallow water
>drop lightning rock into water
Repeat over and over. It's a very repetitive game.

>>5799197
I'd agree its not particularly hard. But if you play like that you won't unlock anything. The real 'game' is setting up combos and pulling them off.

>dis fatass

>>5799197
>dig hole
>put torch on wall
>game beat

wow minecraft is garbage

>>5798832
>>5798869
Trapt is actually Deception 4, but things got really confusing when they released a game actually named "Deception 4" later on.

>>5799145
She's mute, so she can be reluctant if you want her to be, I guess.
I actually really enjoy how morally grey Deception 2 is: Sure, I'm killing all these humans, but it's for the sake of my adoptive mother, who seem to genuinely care for me, and my adoptive father will praise me for doing a good job.

>>5799039
I think both protagonists of Deception IV are decent, but the general atmosphere in the base game of Deception IV is just extremely bland, with all major characters being anime-stereotypes with almost no connection to the story except that they happen to want to kill you. The expansion is a lot better, and I think that kind of mysterious full-stupid works well for the game.

>>5798538
I will always love tecmos deception, one of my first ps1 games, played so much I kind of ruined the disc.I still try it on emulator though.

I like the game and controls, but I can't seem to get the right timing for the dropping cages, so I usually don't catch anyone. Made me stop playing :(

Should I skip the first game?

>>5799239
If you don't like it, sure.

>>5799239
If you want. Its unrelated to the other games in both story and gameplay, aside from the rumors that Milenia is Astarte. But thats just fan speculation.

>>5799230
I know that I'm over simplifying but if you think about it but custom new traps are just variations of old traps so pushwall becomes spike wall, vase becomes volt vase and so on. And there are too many filler missions. It feels repetitive.

>>5799230
I know that I'm over simplifying but if you think about it new and custom traps are just variations of old traps so pushwall becomes spike wall, vase becomes volt vase and so on. And there are too many filler missions. It feels repetitive.

>>5799197
Deception 4 improved things a bit in this regard. Enemies in it are far more agile, have more attack options, and it's more common for them to be resistant against certain trap types. It's still not an immensely challenging game or anything, but it's far less viable to just sit in one spot spamming the same combo forever until everything dies.

The mission mode also helps to keep things fresh a bit, as does the very different way the two campaigns are structured in Nightmare Princess.

>>5799239
It's worth trying, but there's no harm in skipping it if you don't like it. It has a pretty decent plot and a lot of interesting unique features, but the basic gameplay mechanics aren't that great. There's a reason all the later games in the series follow Deception 2's formula.

>>5799280
>>5799239
>skipping 1
Why the fuck would you skip it?

Couldn't get into 1, loved 2, couldn't figure out how to trick the ninja's in 3 like I could in 2 and got bored.

>>5799382
I like 1, but I can see why other people wouldn't. It's also different enough from the rest of the series that someone who dislikes 1 might still enjoy the other entries.

>>5800081
>but I can see why other people wouldn't
Well?

>>5800148
Thanks for the Andy Sixx flashbacks.

Deception 1 is very different from the other games. It's first person, it has RPG elements, and you can build and expand upon your castle as the OP states.

The traps are not 3 per room, rather its as many as you can cram in. That being said, they have to be manually reset at one of two points in the castle.

Deception 1 does make you feel more like the shadowy master of the castle, lurking around in secret passages and plotting people's demise from the shadows. It is very clunky though.