/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5797870
Are your guys' eyes good enough to actually use something that small? I'm not even that old and I can't imagine trying to game on that for hours.

>>5797891
I never had problems when on the PSone with the small LCD add-on as a kid. It only becomes a problem when text is too small in an RPG, but you can usually make it out.

>>5797891
27”-32” consumer set with s-video is for patricians. Everything else is kiddie shit.

>>5797915
>s-video
>patrician
Pick one.

I'm posting from last thread, I wanna see a couple more ideas before I do anything. My VGA CRT has this strange smear/ghosting effect that is prevalent in all colors. Last thread someone suggested to swap the VGA cord. Is this a good fix? Or is something else causing this problem?

>>5797915
My 27-inch with component disagrees.

I have a decent consumer set but it's having problems with the picture distorting based on what's being displayed. Is it possible to fix this?

>>5797891
you ever play a gameboy, use a phone, or any other device with a small screen? I don't think anyone would use such a small crt as a primary display but it's nice to have for testing purposes or something to keep on your desk and play some 2d games on.

First time i read the pasta about the JVC IF-C01COMG RGB board cloning guide, very interesting stuff! I don't personally have any use for a board like that, but kudos to the anon who made it. I did some searching about the thing and found out somebody has uploaded a PCB design at OSHpark since then:

https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/hMJMT0yM


A bit pricey, but it may be possible to have it manufactured at a cheaper place like JLCPCB since the kicad files are freely available - https://github.com/skumlos/if-c01comg-clone

>>5797973
What set? You can either lower the brightness or get a different TV.

>>5798001
It's a JVC D series TV

Is it still possible to find a PVM (for a low price/free in good condition) out in the wild from local hands or is ebay with its price gouging boomers and risky shipping my only option?

>>5797915
S-Video gang
However I had to get rid of my 32 and now I'm using my backup- a 20" flat crt :(

a 1080i BVM wouldn't have the scanlines a regular PVM does when displaying 240p RGB video would it?

>>5797891
No. The tiny CRTs are memes.

I'm honestly kind of pissed. The thrift stores near me don't carry crts and all the people online have no sense of value. People unironically post tvs with 2 composite inputs (one of which is mono) and have the audacity to say "oh, yeah, that will be $30-50."

>>5798126
They do it because bandwagoners DO buy them at those prices.

>>5798126
I've seen some go for more than 100.

>>5798052
The multiformat PVMs and BVMs are truly multisync, so they'll run actual 240p with disgusting thick scanlines and all. It looks like shit but all the power to you if you like that.

>>5798126
Craigslist is the way to go. There are always CRTs for cheap or free on Craigslist

>>5798019
pls respond ;_;

>>5798212
You’re about 7 years late to the party pal.

>>5798230
Well shit. Thanks, anon.

>>5798052
They would be even more apparent on the BVM.

>>5797891
>>5798108
Handhelds work the same way and no one complains.

Anyone knows whether it is possible to operate a GVP G-Lock without Amiga?
I'd like to use its transcoder functions mainly.

I'm fine with my cheap crt but is this a good deal or a ripoff?

>>5798197
That's where I'm looking.

>>5798274
Yes, yes people complain.

The 3ds biggest complain was how small the screen was. Switch too (huge bezels with wasted screen area)

You can adjust and put a 4-7 inch handheld screen in all directions and distances. an 8 inch pvm you are stuck.

>>5798350
>composite only
hard pass
The nice thing about some pvms is native rgb. Those monitors may have a nice tube but it's not going to shine unless it has s-video input at least.

>>5798350
huge rip off in my opinion. you'd get the same kind of picture out of a consumer set. these are old and low tvl.

Not this anon >>5797920 but also bumping because my CRT has the same issue.

>>5797920
>Last thread someone suggested to swap the VGA cord. Is this a good fix? Or is something else causing this problem?
Checking the cable is something that you can check cheaply and easily. Does it have a detachable cable?

It could also be component values drifting over time. Someone suggested adjusting the G2/SCREEN pot to someone with a similar problem but I don't know if that fixed it.

>>5798346
Shouldn't be a problem.

>>5797920
>>5798371
Most of the time that kind of thing is caused by bad electrolytic capacitors.

1024x768 or 1125x864

>>5798402
former. it's more standard and is supported by more pc games. go for 1280x960 if you want something a little higher.

I'm going to ask this here:
Can I use a Famicom power adapter with the Super Famicom?

Getting back into CRTs hopefully with a PVM. Does anyone know if this is good geometry? iirc there's meant to be a red border but I'm not sure if that's only for the 240p test suite or Sony PVMs don't use a red border as I've never seen the Sony geometry test

>>5798402
Standards for 4:3 and square pixels are
320×240
640×480
800x600
1024×768
1400×1050
1600×1200
1920×1440
2048×1536
3200×2400
4096×3072
6400×4800
Interesting 1152×864 is an actual 4:3 but it was made as an inbetween for color restriction back when we needed higher resolution but didn't have the memory.

>>5798404
>>5798412
Thanks

>>5798350
>8"
Unless you're sitting very close to the screen that's not going to be pleasant. Especially with text-heavy games. I'd say 14" in the minimum for CRTs but that's just me.

>>5798390
Seems like it is controlled entirely by software with an amiga. My guess is that the amiga bitbangs the 3 chips controllable with i2c but I haven't found many details of how the device works.

>>5798442
Do you have a picture of the circuit? I really doubt it's that convoluted. How many functions does it even have?

>>5798274
I have never used handhelds for this exact reason. I emulate them on bigger screens.

>>5798406
Yes.

>>5798454
I only have a picture of the PCB.
Mine is like this one but with only one crystal and doesn't have that blue wire that looks like a repair.
Supposedly it can mix audio but I don't care about it. It can select from one of two composite video sources or one s-video and overlay them with RGB video from the amiga. It can also send either source to all outputs. What I'm interested in is that it can supposedly transcode s-video and composite to either RGB or YPbPr (but with external sync) and send it to the RGB output port.
The manual mentions effects like fading between sources, color killing, control of color/hue/brightness etc. but I guess that's done by the amiga changing parameters on the video processor chip.
Here's more pictures and manual:
https://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=412

>>5798402
>>5798412
I used to run 1152x864 on my Windows 98 PC back in the day. It was the highest resolution my monitor (or maybe my video card, can't remember which) would support at 75 Hz.

>>5798482
Yeah, the 1152x864 had some limitations. It was really only there for monitors that couldn't do anything more because of memory. A lot of times the higher resolution looked less sharp as well, because of how the panel was laid out.

>>5798410
Red boarder is 240p test suite.

Depending on some situations the red border is means to be mostly hidden for overscan purposes. I think the dot inbetween the red square need to be hidden.

>>5798478
Thanks.

>>5798487
CRT monitors don't have memory.

>>5798503
an astute observation. the computer needs to store the video output in memory though and older computers had limited memory.

>>5798358
bullshit, this attitude is reddit elitism

>>5798406
They're exactly the same, go for it.

>>5798512
>>>/v/

>>5798512
Stop memeing. Paying $55 for a composite-only PVM is a fool's bargain.

>>5798523
Anon, I got my composite only PVM for free, and then sold it for $55 to a redditor, check mate.
>>5798518
>>>/r/crtgaming

>>5797915
I have s-video
vga for dreamcast and component for dreamcast 1.5

>>5798531
>Anon, I got my composite only PVM for free, and then sold it for $55 to a redditor, check mate.

>>5798350
You can automatically discredit any listing for a CRT that has "retro gaming" in it as a scam.

>hurrr you’re not supposed to spend any money on a CRT ever
Alright so how else am I supposed to get my hands on a BVM

>>5798626
>hurrr you’re not supposed to spend any money on a CRT ever
Few people say this.

To find a free BVM, call up video production companies and pray that they didn't sell off their CRTs 10 years ago like everyone else and think their BVMs are just paperweights.

>>5793000
Some more ads.

>>5798641
Don't even bother giving this guy attention. Although I had no idea TEAC made CRTs. Are they any good?

>>5798641
>400
>320
damn

>>5798641
I want that 21" Panasonic. Obviously not for that price, but I mean one that size. I'd RGB mod it myself. Unfortunately they rarely show up on my local classifieds, it's always either shitty 13" Sylvanias or 36" behemoths.

>>5798641
Lmao, I was just looking at that panasonic
Half tempted to buy it since I have some disposable income but I'm over an hour away

>>5798652
>Although I had no idea TEAC made CRTs.
What else do they do? Never seen anything from them but CRTs
>Are they any good?
They're alright, had one through my teen years and it served me well.

>>5798652
Calm down, they're not my ads. I only asked the question and presented some ads I found, it's the first time I've searched crt's Australia wide instead of my local area. I have only done 2 rgb mods on my own tvs and 1 didn't work properly.

>>5798654
>aus bucks btw
I don't know if they sell.

>>5798662
I have the same looking panasonic but a 14" and my mod didn't work properly - colours are fine but the whites are off and quite dark.

Below a certain size, I see no reason to put up with a TV. The only advantage TV's had over computer monitors was raw size. If you are going to get a tiny screen, may as well enjoy the better image that an actual CRT computer monitor would give you.

>>5798698
Getting SCART into a VGA monitor is a bitch though, unless you wait for a dying Commodore Monitor to show up

>>5798634
>call up video production companies
Does this even work anymore? Surely they have all been picked over now by resellers.

>>5798714
Not him but you'd be surprised. Last year we had a local university selling off all of their old PVMs. Wish I wasn't jobless at the time, they went for ridiculously cheap.

>>5798683
In the US at least, TEAC was mostly known for making really good tape decks and turntables.

>>5798479
I see. A bit more advanced than I expected. If you have an amiga and the software it should be easy enough to figure out though. Otherwise I wouldn't bother.

Can anyone help me recognize this crt? I've been crt hunting on letgo and i came across this one.

>>5799358
It's a late 90s to early 2000s 19" Zenith. It will have coaxial input on the back and composite + headphone input in the front. It ought to have a digital OSD which will let you choose between color temperatures and adjust various typical settings.
The screen is a coarse shadow mask and the glass is very curved. Scanlines will not be heavily defined on this CRT.
Used CRTs of this type tend to get loose composite connections if they are in a kid's bedroom who violently yanks the composite video cable out of the slot.

Overall an excellent CRT choice if you are looking for something period accurate to the late PlayStation and N64 era through the end of the PS2.

I'm building a sort of 'retro' corner in my room this summer.
I want to fit my PS, maybe PS2 and an old computer for emulators and old TV shows, what are the pros and cons of going with a monitor or a TV (both CRT of course)?

>>5799358
that's one of the vga models zenith made for schools. it accepts up to 800x600 I think, but I think it might actually be scaling to 480i. pick it up anyways as it's a neat and not very common set.

Any good leads in East Tennessee for a pvm or bvm?

Guess what CRT this is and the size.

>>5799656
3DS screen

>>5798641
>those prices
what a joke

>>5797870
Why didn’t anyone ever make a broadcast monitor with actually decent speakers?

A guy is actually coming to buy the PVMs 2080 and 14N5U I listed on craigslist for $100. These things literally just have one composite and one s-video input each.

>>5799851
>2080
Meant 8040

>>5799841
Because they're used solely for monitoring video

>>5799527
both are fine, I recommend a crt tv

>>5797870
using an ossc but i got a 20 inch PVM that can do 480p/240p. cant wait to start using it, i just need to restructure my room first

>>5799391
Thanks for responding, would you recommend the Zenith or this sony one I ran across today. The only thing on the description is that its 32 inch.

>>5797870
I’m always so jealous if these threads. I wish I had the ability to fix geometry issues via magnet realignment or otherwise just look past it, but every CRT I’ve had has incorrect geometry and it drives me fucking nuts, especially in 2D games which is the main reason I’d get one. How do you guys deal with it?

>>5800009
generally by being competent enough to fix geometry issues.

>>5800009
You get used to it by focusing on the game you’re playing.

>>5800016
I’ve never had a set where I was able to fix every geometry issue with the service menu

>>5800009
Buy a CRT PC Monitor

>>5799991
are you stupid or something? that zenith will take sd and vga inputs and you're looking at a fucking bog standard sony with s-video. that other guy has no fucking clue what he's talking about, ignore him. pic related is the same set, model number is H2746DT.

>>5800085
But anon it's not a TRINITRON so it doesn't count

>>5800056
Not him, but how would I get VGA to plug into a console without adding latency? Sorry for the dumb question, I'm new to all this.

>>5798019
Yes, it's still possible, but just barely. I got two for $60 about 8 months ago locally in a city where they're not common, but it took me four months of diligent searching to find them.

>>5800137
It's not a dumb question, but the suggestion of using a PC monitor for what most people here are interested in is definitely dumb. You'd need a scaler like an OSSC, retrotink2x, or framemeister, then you'd need to get a DAC to convert the HDMI output to VGA. This would require probably around $150-200 worth of investment and is pants on head retarded when you can just use a decent TV.

>>5800159
Thanks for the help, anon. I'll stick with my slightly askewed CRT then.

>>5800137
Ideally you would just emulate the games

Anyone have a good idea what could be causing this? A friend of mine took out a small CRT from an old SUV for vidya purposes but it has this issue where the picture moves in "waves". I made a small illustration showing what I mean. At first we thought it was the power source giving a weird signal, but trying new ones out didn't seem to work. Haven't been able to find anything online about this sort of issue specifically.

>>5800316
the CRT in question.

>>5800318
and the back.

>>5800009
>How do you guys deal with it?
I stopped staring at test patterns and started playing video games.

>>5800137
If it's a dreamcast you just buy the VGA cable and plug it straight in.
If it's some other system you either emulate or use a scaler.

>>5800159
Why is HDMI being brought into this?
>This would require probably around $150-200 worth of investment
This is not really a lot of money.

>>5800137
OSSC

>>5800085
Oh that was a VGA input on the front?
Weird. I thought perhaps it was two headphone jacks.

So I need to change my original post here >>5799391

This is -probably- a fixed frequency progressive scan monitor. It may not even support interlaced resolution. You'll need to get the model number and do research about it because this category of monitor is not well known around here or elsewhere. Some of them did odd resolutions like 800x600p.

This Sony >>5799991
is just a big trinitron that might have component input on the back. With a little work an excellent image could be brought out in it.

>>5800389
>Why is HDMI being brought into this?
Because the RetroTINK-2X, OSSC, and Framemeister output HDMI, so that has to be converted to VGA.

>>5800085
Oh that was a VGA input on the front?
Weird. I thought perhaps it was two headphone jacks.

So I need to change my original post here >>5799391 (You)

This is -probably- a fixed frequency progressive scan monitor. It may not even support interlaced resolution. You'll need to do research about it because this category of monitor is not well known around here or elsewhere. Some of them did odd resolutions like 800x600p and that is was it. No mutlti-sync allowed.

But if it is a full multi-sync then you're very lucky.

This Sony >>5799991
is just a big trinitron that might have component input on the back. With a little work an excellent image could be brought out in it.

>>5800404
Why in the world would they not include VGA output on at least one of these things?

>>5800009
I can't even see geometry issues in mine except in Final Fantasy, where there's that solid white line down the screen right at a warped location.

>>5800159
>$150-200 for a better experience is retarded.

You poor?

>>5800409
Because HDMI is the standard that most of the world uses. Even PC can't omit it with DP being the cheaper to include format.

>>5800409
Because there's no point. 99% of the people buying those things only need HDMI, so leaving the DAC off the board saves cost. Standalone HDMI-to-VGA converters are dirt cheap for those who want that.

>>5800418
It arguably isn't a better experience. A consumer TV is bigger, and has a nice, softer image.

>>5800425
Not really an argument. There is a reason consumer CRTs are not around. Better shit exists and pc CRT is closer to that 'better shit' than a consumer crt ever was.

>>5800408
https://www.cnet.com/products/zenith-46-series-h2746dt-presentation-display-crt-27/
Native resolution: 800x600

I'd get it just on the off chance it is multi-sync, but I also wouldn't get my hopes up.

PC CRT are cute!

>>5800420
But this is a device which is distinctly outside the lines of what "most people" use.
>>5800421
Would they? Most people who are buying an OSSC are going to be your /vr/ types and converting to VGA is not an unusual scenario. One good usage would be replacing a (broken) 19" 15khz arcade monitor with a 19" 31khz PC monitor. Why not just use another 15khz monitor? Well these things are getting harder to come by and it's easier than adapting a TV to that usage.

>>5800316
Fast waves or slow? I've seen issues with PC monitors doing this very quickly if the wrong signal frequency is fed in (e.g. 1024x768 @ 60Hz vs 59.97Hz) but if its just standard NTSC composite you shouldn't have to worry about frequency issues.

Also, does it seem to be constant or change with how long the tube is on? Some picture tubes can be pretty temperature dependent and need to warm up before they'll stay consistent, although this too I see more with 31.5kHz and up tubes.

>>5800447
It's not an unusual scenario for /crt/, but I guarantee that virtually all of the target market is just using them to play old games on new TVs. 31 kHz CRT monitors are getting harder to come by, too.

>>5797920
>>5798395
Alright, I spent all morning disassembling this beast. I'm at the main board, and I'm gonna be honest, I don't know where to go from here. If it was the capacitors, how do I check if they're bad or not? None of them seem to burst, and thats about where my knowledge ends. How can I use a multi meter to check which capacitors have gone bad? Any help would be appreciated.

>>5800381
I never even fucked around with test patterns, I remember distinctly trying to play through Link to the Past and the rooms in dungeons would warp whenever they scrolled, disgusting. A PC monitor is an interesting choice, I would have no qualms with spending a couple hundred bucks to get a better experience.

For those with PC monitor experience, are they that much better in terms of geometry? What sizes would you recommend? I’ve settled for using a 32” 1080p TV which is less than ideal.

bright and soft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbekkoQvUxI

>>5800457
You can't really measure capacitors in circuit, at least not accurately. You have to remove them to test them, at which point you might as well just replace them with new ones.

>>5800458
Sounds more like you're just seeing the curvature of the screen, or maybe there's some kind of capacitor issue. A little geometry error shouldn't cause a big visible warping problem.
Top PC monitors have exhaustive OSD options to correct geometry and convergence and will far surpass your average consumer television CRT.

4:3 PC CRTs don't get much bigger than 22", and those are rare.

>>5800459
Now build a cab for it.

>>5800462
I figured. I know there are a few capacitors in PCB that connects to the yolk (Top right of the Picture). Is it necessary to replace those? or do those not affect the image?

>>5799656
>>5799685
Bang and Olufsen ME6000, 26" through RGB SCART

Thoughts on these for 95 bucks?

Some anon in another thread said that a good OLED and an emulator with the right filters can display as good of a picture as a PVM. As someone who owns neither, is this true or bullshit?

>>5800551
You can create a still image screenshot that will look just as sharp, if not sharper. I've never seen filters hold up in motion.

>>5800551
There is a lot of truth to it. The biggest difference will be in motion blur, but that can be compensated for:
https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

Ironically, the Sony BVM which is sometimes considered the "ultimate" CRT (an opinion losing ground recently, I think) is one of the easiest to replicate via shaders because of its extremely uniform picture and hard scanlines.

>>5800551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dym6XD3-8qw

>>5800518
I just bought these two earlier this afternoon lol, but how are you doing, fellow Miamibro?

>>5800518
Both only composite. Overpriced shit.

>>5800518
Those are both 14" and under, and only have S-Video at most. You'd be far happier with a good consumer set with Component and S-Video.

>>5800518
What is that, a 14-inch and an 8-inch? $95 total is a good deal compared to the $150+ most people are trying to get out of 14-inch PVMs alone. 14-inch is good to play at desktop distance, never used an 8-inch.

>>5800472
Dunno, I'm not an EE. I only know how to take the shotgun approach and replace everything. Though with that many caps you should probably take it it section by section to make sure you don't screw anything up.

>>5800472
Honestly just replace everything at once. You can probably find a local shop that does it for cheap. I spent around $80 recapping my 1702 this way and it was worth every cent

>>5800612
Did you find it made a noticeable difference to geometry and/or blooming?

>>5800612
This is my favorite monitor and it's not even RGB.

>>5800561
>43:44
Tell me if they mention RetroArch at all before I spend any time with this.

>>5800627
Not at all, but I’ve had this thing for nearly 30 years and it’s never given me issues.
>>5800641
I know right? I’ve had the Sony PVM and a couple of other oddball monitors and PVMs over the years. But this thing is just the perfect size, level of clarity and the knobs and all seriously add to the experience. It’s a very comfy little thing with almost zero whine.

>>5800645
17:45

>>5800563
Did you get that off craigslist?

>>5800645
At 17:51 he mentions using emulation and what is presumably RetroArch with a generic scanline shader flashes on the screen. There is an implication that you can get the same results or better but he moves quickly past it because that sort of thing is not in their financial interest.

>>5800659
>Financial
lol

>>5800658
I got it on eBay (local pickup)

>>5800661
Not bad, anon. I hope you got a good deal on it considering ebay sellers usually overprice CRT’s.

>>5800641
>>5800646
I have one of these as well. Haven't used it all that much, but I can't help but agree that it's a terrific monitor. Although I'm thinking about selling it because I'd rather find a 1902 or 1084S to go with my 128, and I have a 17" Toshiba consumer set from the 80s that scratches the same itch. Although the latter needs to be recapped.

>>5800660
> We receive a small kickback from sales using the following links at no cost to you, with no influence on the content
Literally right in the video description that they receive money from affiliate links selling all the gear they shill in their videos.

>>5800653
>>5800659
Thanks.

>>5800669
>with no influence on the content

>>5800673
sure thing bud

>>5800678
Literally right in the video description :)

>>5800665
It was a bit more expensive that I would have liked but I've gotten my money's enjoyment out of it. Thanks pal.

>>5800563
Which Miami? Ohio or Florida?

>>5800673
If you actually believe that you're crazy

>>5800669
You really don't know how those links work, do you? They could put tampons down there and they would get money for it. Try it the next time your vagina is leaking.

>>5800695
I believe it

>>5800697
But they don't put tampons down there. They put the products from the video like XRGB-Mini. Your post is nonsensical. They also spend about 5 seconds on emulation even though it is a broad topic and they go into deep discussions of everything else. What reason would they have for that, you think?

>>5800716
>Join Coury Carlson and Marc "Try4ce" Duddleson as they recollect their experiences with video games over the years, explain how to get the best picture from your retro consoles
>explain how to get the best picture from your retro consoles

>>5800584
>>5800518

Left one should have S-Video, I sed to have one. Not a bad deal for both.

>>5800716
because their entire channel focuses on hardware?

>>5800694
FL

>>5800798
Damn, you got it before I did.

why has no one made an alternate to BKM-68x cards

>>5797870
Does S video make the most sense if I just want to use a GameCube for gameboy player?

>>5800973
Well, it's the cheap way to go if that's what you're asking. Component/RGB is obviously better, but much more expensive.

>>5800973
Yes.

>>5800908
Probably due to the complexity and that there's an FPGA that needs to be reverse engineered for all the signals.

https://imgur.com/a/QXz00BQ

>>5800990
Figuring a way to inject component or RGB into a SDI card might end up easier than trying to design a new card the monitor accepts.

>>5800991
240p-480i won't be unlocked without the card, and as it's not a simple pass-through there's a lot that the cards handling. Updated imgur link for more detailed scans.

>>5800991
SDI is also a digital format while RGB is not.

>>5801008
I mean using the card so the monitor thinks it's there, then breaking into the card's analogue and sync outputs replacing them with what you want.

>>5800553
>>5800560
>>5800561
How is the input lag on OLED? I hear it blows LCD out of the water, but does it surpass CRT’s?

>>5801121
Lag of the panel itself is practically zero, lag with the scaler/processor it's paired with in a TV make them similar lag to most LCDs.

>>5801121
LG C9 OLED (game mode) = 13 ms
Sony Bravia AF9 OLED (game mode) = 27.6 ms

>but does it surpass CRT’s?
Not yet

>>5800973
The Nintendo s-video cable makes sense because you can use it with SNES, N64, or Gamecube. And plenty of consumer tvs have it.
Unfortunately the price has increased because of this.

>>5801129
>>5801137
Well I guess we have to wait another decade for it to replace CRT as the new standard. Then again maybe MicroLED might do it, but that’s not even a thing yet. The future looks bright.

>>5797870
I've got a CRT which must be an older one as it does not have a convenient OSD for RGB modding. In fact the final signals leading to the tube are not RGB but are R-Y G-Y and B-Y. Anyone ever modded one like this? Seems like perhaps more trouble than it is worth

What’d the furthest you’d drive to pick up s CRT?

>>5800741
I got left one for free at my old job at an art college, it gud

>>5801661
It has to be decoded to RGB at some point. I have one like that, where the jungle IC outputs color differences, but it's decoded in a separate chip and switched with external RGB.

>>5801174
There's a reason people still use CRTs. The thing holding back technology is that the average consumer doesn't care about quality. Its why Plasma and Oled aren't everywhere. They only care about the absolute biggest screen for the cheapest price.

>>5801746
Plasma is horrifically energy inefficient

How do people get good photos of CRTs? Do you need an actual camera?

>>5801746
OLED is great if you want to buy a new TV every two years.

>>5801724
Literally right before the signals are amplified for the gun Y is added back in, all using transistors

>>5801756
Is that a Samsung slimfit HDMI CRT? How do you get the scanlines that sharp?

>>5801772
Sounds like way more trouble than it's worth then, yeah. Especially if you don't have an oscilloscope and an electrical engineering background.

>>5801809
It is a model number TX-R2436. It is a very late release (2006) CRT, but is a true Standard Definition set, with composite, s-video (what I use for Saturn), and component inputs.

As far as settings, I've turned colors and brightness up a bit, and made sure all digital noise reduction features are off, but otherwise, haven't really messed with it at all.

I really want to have a good CRT screen to watch anime/play retro games on, but I don't have t he room. I am so envious.

>>5801720
I got mine from the defunct college TV station at a university where I used to work as well, nice. I sold mine and am mostly in the scaler game now, but it was a solid set over S-Video.

>>5801756
You just need a camera app on your phone that will let you adjust things manually, or you take 100 pics and one turns out nice with the automatic shit.

>>5801838
maybe u only alternative is emulation, crt pc monitor are usually smaller.

>>5801764
How so? Is it because of the burn-in?

>>5800590
I'd be happier with the monitors.

>>5801967
Yes. Worse if you display static imagery such as video game HUDs, but even if you don't the whole thing gets splotchy and discolored over time.

Every year, OLED manufacturers claim the problem has been solved, but it never is and never will be. That's just how OLED works. It's a fundamentally flawed technology.

>>5801969
If that's the case, then why not seek out a PVM that supports RGB instead? I can't see why anyone would want a PVM that has less features than a myriad number of other CRTs unless they value brand recognition above all else.

>>5801967
It's a non-issue if you don't use it for thousands of hours with the same static content at retarded screen settings. Faggots like this >>5801981 keep parroting retarded bullshit. Check rtings where that picture is from and you will see that it isn't a problem for non-retards.

>all the monitors on eBay are pickup only
>none remotely near me
What do?

>>5802000
Alright, let's see a photo of your 4+ year old OLED with a 50% gray screen.

Found this big ass crt on Facebook. Is it worth picking up? The owner says it’s either a 36 or 40 inch set.

>>5802150
I'm retarded. I forgot to add the picture.

>>5802150
>>5802186
That's a Sony wega

>>5802150
https://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kv-36fs16-wega-36-crt-tv/

>>5802208
Would you recommend picking it up? I'm worried it won't pick up 240p content.

>>5802217
That thing is huge, It's up to you.

Did anything ever come of this project? Would be nice to have RGB-modding consumer sets be a more straightforward process.

Either Sony BVM 14F1E 14F1U 20F1E 20F1E owners be aware that your CRT is going to die a software death and you should backup its 3 eeprom for your own good and for the community. A basic chip programmer/dumper and an ESD wristband is enough to do so. More details here (remove spaces) : https:// arcadehacker.blogspot .com/2019/08/calling-all-sony-bvm-14f1-20f1-owners.html

How many CRT's is too many?

>Sony Eco-Friendly Campaign, here in México
>"Give us your garbage tube TV and you can get up to 10,000 pesos off a new Sony TV set!"
>The only elegible TV for the 10,000 discount is a new OLED that costs 170,000 (roughly 8,700 US dollarydoos).
>Literally all of the "discounts" are less than 10% off any given TV.
wew, they sure do care about the environment

>>5802625
All you need is a consumer CRT set and a VGA monitor

>>5802656
Funny you say that, that's actually my intended setup. PVM seems like overkill. I feel better now, anon. Have a cheeky bird in return.

>>5802671
That's my setup at this point, actually. An SD consumer set that can take up to component and a VGA monitor that I use sometimes for stuff like dreamcast. I do have an OSSC though which I sometimes have used with that monitor or with my modern TV

>>5802702
I feel you. I'm quite happy with my composite only Trinitron at this point. The VGA monitor paired with an OSSC is so I could use it to get a good image out of a modded console with RGB. My dream one day would be to connect a VGA monitor to my HDMI only emulation box (pic related) through an adapter of some kind without adding any significant input latency. But, I don't think that's possible because analog and digital don't play nice together. Maybe the OSSC might work, but I don't have one so I don't know.

>>5802797
HDMI to VGA works well. You need an adapter to convert an OSSC to a VGA monitor anyways so I just use this one.
https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Converter-Adapter-Portable-Connector/dp/B01B7CEOVK

>>5802851
Thanks anon! Will look into it.

Anybody know of good 24 kHz CRT monitors for PC-98 gaming? I've been looking to get into it, but having a hard time finding info on compatible 24 kHz monitors in general.

>>5802150
>>5802186
How much?

>>5802858
Good luck finding an actual native 24 kHz CRT outside of Japan. I just use my OSSC.

Later model PC-98s (I think all 9821s, but I'm not positive) can be set to output 31 kHz, though game compatibility isn't 100% and it does cause some slight stuttering (not that it's an issue for most PC-98 games).

Why do you guys like old TVs? You do realize that 2019 has a lot better TVs to offer, right?

>>5802904
>Not the first post from this IP.
Why are you like this

>>5802904
>>5802930
lol
bump the thread

>>5802576
Same goes for most 90s and newer CRTs, even consumer TVs rely on the EEPROM staying valid

>>5803096
So is it a waste of money to buy any CRT from the 90's and early 2000's at this point? I knew someday I'd have to bite the OLED meme.

>>5802198
Not that anon but I have that same Trinitron. What makes it a Wega? What even is a Wega anyway exactly?

>>5802858
Finding a PC like monitor outside japan with 24kHz analogue support is real rare. Some arcade stuff and presentation monitors, but they're not sensible size, EGA monitors but they're digital input, would have to mod for analogue RGB, multiformat BVMs and similar, but they're meme prices.

>>5803102
Everything's gonna die some day. Odds are the OLED will be unwatchable from burn in sooner than an 00s tube would die from EEPROM failure.

>>5803106
Wega is the brand for flat trinitrons.

>>5803120
EGA monitors are 21 kHz anyway, not 24.

>>5803123
OLED can be used for far more things and so far my first OLED from a 4 years ago still has no burn in.

I sold it to a friend 2 years back and he near exclusively uses it with OSSC and 4:3 games.

>>5803151
4 years is still far less time than you'd expect an EEPROM to fail

>>5803126
Are flat-faced Trinitrons a preference of yours? I've never had another Trinitron so I can't compare

>>5803175
Eh, depends what you want. They're generally worse for geometry but are likely to have better input options (unless you're in euroland)

>>5800089
>>5800085
I remember that ad. Decided not to jump on it.

>>5803096
Every TV set eeprom should be dumped I agree (mask rom based tv aren't an issue but could be dumped too just in case), but given the value of BVM F1 it should be done before the actual death.

If you guys could help me out, I'm trying to find a CRT that I had a few years back. It's very similar to the Toshiba MD13N1, but the differences that know are that the grip on the top of the TV was convex outwards and the volume, channel buttons, etc. were in an oval shape; power button was still circular. Maybe also the coaxial (and maybe RF, can't remember if it had that) stuck directly out of the back a couple of inches instead of in an inset jack area, but from what I see from listings online, the main thing is the oval buttons. I can't find a Toshiba model with them, and I'm sure I'm not making that up, so any model with those should be it. Alternatively, is there a good database to look up all of Toshiba's CRTs?

Is there anyway to force a 4:3 PVM without a 16:9 mode to squeeze a 240p widescreen picture into the proper aspect ratio? I'm trying to play some of the Saturn's 16:9 supported games.

What are the odds of untested liquidation CRTs from people seeing warehouses of old junk being in good working order?

what are these

>>5803615
Go into service menu or find vertical size pot, turn it down.

>>5803675
Handles to make it easier to pull a monitor out of the rack. Also protects the buttons/knobs a bit when moving it around.

>>5803649
Pretty good, there's not much in a CRT TV/monitor that goes bad just from age if it's stored in reasonable conditions.

>>5802652

I wonder what they do with all the CRTs they take in

>>5801756

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISY-7gEFms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0IC0bu3dg

Can an 8" Sony PVM be used as a monitor stand for a PC LCD? asking for a friend.

>>5803748
>Pretty good, there's not much in a CRT TV/monitor that goes bad just from age if it's stored in reasonable conditions.
This. Problems only arise once you start regularly using them again and the caps go bad since they're old as hell.

This isn't really /CRT/ related but maybe some of you can help me out.
Can you recommend me a small relatively cheap (~50€) amplifier to use for my setup?
I just want to use 2 speakers on either side of my monitor so nothing too fancy.

>>5804414
SMSL amps on Amazon are probably the best new you can buy at that price. An older amp would be better but bigger.

>>5804414
What speakers?

>>5804236
anser plox ;_;

>>5804236
Why would you do that

>>5798274
I guess the difference is that handheld games were designed for handheld screens in mind. While people certainly played on small TVs, I doubt developers intended for the average gamer to be playing on an 8" monitor or something.

>>5804605
Limited space on my computer desk. I have 2 27" monitors and would love to squeeze a CRT in there somewhere. I've never owned a pvm so I don't know how sturdy their built

RE: very small CRTs

What's the difference between a 10.5" CRT in 15khz, and windowed 240p on a 21" CRT in 31khz? If the 21" CRT is designed for higher resolutions like 1600x1200 the dot pitch would be pretty fine, but then people like the BVM series for exactly that reason don't they?

>>5804623
also if a TV supports 480p then you can run in a window on that too. And obviously a 36" TV would have 18" 320x240 window. That's pretty big! And since it is in the middle of the CRT convergence, geometry, and focus should be good.

>>5804615
Only problem I see is that you would be blocking parts of the vents, and that the setup will look like ass. Don't know how hot they get though, so it might not even be a problem.

>>5804615
>>5804687
Rubber feet

>>5804236
yeah they can support a fuckton of weight.

>>5804735
Thanks

>>5804462
Thanks, I'll have a look.
>>5804475
Something like pic related.

>>5804885
Please be in Florida

>>5803760
They dismantle the broken ones and donate the working ones to some organization.

>>5804862
Any little basic 2.0 amp is fine. I have a little basic Pyle one for my Dreamcast. You can also go nuts and pick up an old receiver for cheap at a thrift store if you keep an eye out

>>5803536
Is it this one to the right?

>>5804885
absolutely based crt mane

>>5804885
Ok>>5805521
Ok but all the TVs are going into the trash most likely

>>5805518
I'm sorry, it's not that one. The one I'm thinking of had more curvature to it and the buttons on that one are circular

Which one of you faggots did it?

>>5803768
Informative, thanks.

>>5803743
Why didn't I think of that??

>>5805518
What is all that consumer trash?

>>5802652
>mexico

>>5801747
Ey who cares, nuke the whales

Whats the best VGA converter for a GTX 1080? Delock 62967?

>>5805627
What makes you think it was one of us?
Could have been reddit.

>>5805805
sunix?

>>5802858
A Micomsoft xpc-4 is also an option

>>5805783
It’s three CRT’s that you don’t own.

>>5797920
bumping. my crt has almost the exact same issue. its definitly not the cable, and its hard wired in anyways. im thinking about replacing caps on the neck board or the main board. will this help? please respond.

>>5800668
Where do you plan on selling it? I’ll buy it from you.

>>5805783
Three well-made consumer CRT’s > one overpriced PVM with heavy mileage

>>5805805
Tendak

Whats the point of component? It’s the same quality as RGB and 99% of the consoles that support component also support RGB.

>>5806378
There is no point unless you're an amerilard and you don't have an RGB monitor.

>>5806381
Sorry your games were butchered to run at 50Hz, palfag.

Anons can I find a CRT that is very smol like PVMs but isn't expensive like one?

>>5802671
>I feel better now, anon.
This is almost always the reason that people advocate for consumer CRTs over RGB monitors. They want to believe that the cheap easily accessible thing is better because that makes them feel better. P.S. heaven is real and all our dead loved ones are waiting there for us.

>>5806378
>It’s the same quality as RGB
No.

>>5806427
The one in OP’s pic.

>>5806447
Calm down you presumptuous faggot. I was referring to feeling better about knowing my intended setup is the same as that anon’s. Show us your PVM collection.

>>5806450
Is svideo almost the same quality as rgb? Merifat here

>>5806447
>prosumerfag is seething he overpaid and is still feeling empty while others are happy playing games with their sets
It writes itself.

>>5806485
It's not bad, maybe 70-80% of the way there. But once you get used to the perfect colors of RGB it's hard to go back.

>>5806385
There is nothing wrong with this, fuck you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDRd2baOu-M

>>5806479
>Show us your PVM collection.
The desperation. >>5806485
>Is svideo almost the same quality as rgb? Merifat here
It depends on what you consider almost. The most obvious differences are red bleed and either less vibrant colours or less well balanced colours depending on how you've compromised with your settings. The step up is less dramatic than composite -> s-video, but it's still striking. RGB is a beautiful thing.

>>5806506
>The desperation
So you don’t have any? Good to know you were just seething.

>>5799656
Mods, this is a racist meme.

>>5806378
RGBs Scart doesn't support anything higher than SD resolution. The whole point of ypbpr is that it can send higher resolutions on limited bandwidth.
>>5806450
Prove it. You can't.

>>5805805
just get a Titan X

A friend said my pvm 2530 smells when turned on. Is it from the caps leaking? I thought the smell was normal and have been using it for months since I first noticed it had an old electronics kind of smell when turned on. It works great though

>>5806646
what kind of smell?

>>5806540
>Prove it. You can't.
Prove that they provide equivalent subjective quality in 240p despite component being objectively inferior. My eyes and the math tell me that RGB's better, but 4chan boy with no PVM says it's not. What to believe.

>Live in Spain
>All CRTs I find in local ads are shit
>Shipping costs a fortune

I'm resorting to dumpster diving.

>>5799559
You’re 8 years too late to be looking for one bumpkin.

>>5806656
I never made the initial claim that it's not equivalent in visual quality. You did. You've got the burden of proof and it sounds like you've got the means based on your post. It's funny how the people who claim it's not as good will absolutely never try to prove it. I do have a PVM btw and I use it solely with ypbpr.

>>5806649
Sort of old smell but my friend describes it as kind of metallic smell but kind of a fruity way but not like a fish smell. I have never taken the back off and have been a pussy about fixing the geometry because I'd rather pay someone to recap it etc.

Haveing fun trolling online

>>5806707

They're just going to think you're trying to drive the price down. And anyone who pays 120$ for that thing without doing the least bit of research on what a BVM is deserves to get memed

>>5798641

Holy shit, wtf kind of snake oil bullshit pitch is this?

>>5806656
>component being objectively inferior

lol. After reading this thread, who and where do you think this discussion is around? Component and scart are identical at such low resolutions. Considering scart doesn't go high enough, we can't compare them at actual comparable resolutions.

Just because you have some shit display that the scart port was installed better doesn't mean anything. Get more experience on these topics before replying.

>>5806729
>a processed analog signal is totally as good as the original unaltered signal!
How about you stop wasting the oxygen of our planet?

>>5806378
Just a different format with the same exact end result.

It is like comparing Displayport and HDMI. If you are sending 4:4:4 10bit 2160p over either one it looks identical at the end. But like the ones you are comparing, component ended off better because it could do far higher resolutions while also being identical at lower resolutions.

Before replying to me, stop. I don't care about your opinion. The facts are simple, the transfer methods are the same and have the same result. I won't wait for people to post proof, too often they refuse and just pretend facts are not fact. Some YT video where the resistance was wrong and they didn't calibrate for rgb/ypbpr is totally useless.

>>5806729
On my two Ikegamis, 20L2, 14L2, and 20L5 RGB looks better than component. But yeah, you're right; it might just be that the non-existent scart socket was installed better.

>>5805805
For meme resolutions the Sunix. <=165MHz the Tendak is fine.

>>5806743
>compressed analog signal and uncompressed analog signal are identical.
K.

>>5806540
SCART spec allows higher resolution RGBS, but it's not used in practice. YPbPr only allows reducing bandwidth on the Pb/Pr, still need full bandwidth Y so consumer stuff doesn't bother with reducing Pb/Pr at all in analogue form.

>>5806763
Component isn't compressed. It's an (ideally) lossless transform.

>>5806743
In a perfect world you'd be right, but in actual practice the extra encoding/decoding steps do result in quality loss from YPbPr sources more often than not. The difference is usually small enough not to worry about it, though.

>>5806769
Component isn't a lossless conversion of RGB no matter how much you want it to be, you knob. It drops information to conserve bandwidth. That's the point of it.

>>5806773
Not more often than not; always, by design. It's a compromise in order to allow it to carry higher resolution signals. For 240p component is an objectively lossy signal under all circumstances. Whether you care or whether you can see the difference is up to you, but it's a fact.

>>5806776
You're thinking of chroma subsampling, which only applies to digital YCbCr. Analog YPbPr has the same bandwidth as RGB.

>>5806782
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>5806776
>It drops information to conserve bandwidth. That's the point of it.
This is true for a video production pipeline but for a video game system it is more likely that only color matrix conversion is performed.

>>5806776
In consumer analogue format it's not dropping any bandwidth. In digital YCbCr format it often is, but even that's not required.

>>5806743
Ohh, so the analog signal magically became lossless. Very cool and interesting.

>>5806806
In theory ya. In practise no shit you're gonna pick up a bit of interference/noise/distortion, same with RGB.

New to this and have an old crt pc monitor. Are there adapters I can grab to make it work like a regular tv?

>>5806828
Yes, a RetroTINK-2X/OSSC and an HDMI-to-VGA converter.

>>5805518
>SNES on top right displaying a picture on the leftmost TV
>N64 in the middle displaying a picture on the rightmost TV
>Wii censor bar on the left displaying a
>>Wii VC
>picture on the middle TV

>>5805518
that white trinitron is cute

>>5806982
Do you want one? I’m selling that exact same model.

>>5806990
No but thanks

>>5806990
not the same guy but yes, where are you located?

>>5806335
Locally on Craigslist, since I don't want to deal with the hassle of shipping.

>>5807003
Florida. The only problem with is that the power button is a bit loose, so I’m not sure if that’s a dealbreaker for you.

>>5807051
damn I live on the exact opposite end of the country in Washington, I would rewire the button to a rocker if I could get my hands on it. oh well

Picked up a Sony 32" widescreen (not WEGA or HDCRT) that seemed to work fine, it had weird degauss-like colour artefacting when on 16:9 mode but looked fine in 4:3 so wasn't bothered.

Turned it on today, it ran fine for about 5 minutes but then without warning the picture disappeared.

>Sound works
>Remote works
>Screen voltage seems fine (Can feel it)

Whats the first thing to look at? I'm fine with disassembling CRTs, but I don't have much experience fixing chassis.

>>5807121
my guess would be caps, traces or bad psu

>>5807121
All i see is Dodonpachi

>>5807142
What?

>>5807121
the colour issues might be yoke knocked out of position

I just spent $100 on a PVM described as “not working” from some broadcast liquidators, and when I called their warehouse they said it’s broken because it doesn’t display anything when it’s turned on, but this particular model doesn’t have an on screen display so it’s not supposed to show anything. In /vr/‘s expert opinion, what are the odds of it actually working?

>>5807170
nil

>>5807170
>In /vr/‘s expert opinion, what are the odds of it actually working?
A solid 7.

>>5807174
If it’s not working how much would a recapping fix?

>>5807181
fiddy bux

how adequate is 14" if you like splitscreen multiplayer?

>>5807202
usable but not ideal.

>>5807202
You haven't lived unless you've played 4-player splitscreen goldeneye on a shitty 14" through an RF converter.

>>5798356
3ds xl has a large screen though

>>5807202
Its like two 10" tablets or four 6" phones they're just glued together.

>>5807170
any more opinions?

>>5807304
pedo at work

>>5807396
odds are more favorable it works than it doesnt, I've got plenty of shit cheap because people don't know how to test it

https://6abc.com/man-wearing-tv-on-head-caught-on-camera-leaving-old-tvs-on-porches/5462579/

>>5807502
gotta get rid of those shitty crts somehow

>>5804885
>>5805627
>>5807502

>>5807502
read about this on some other site and it said the people being blessed by the tv-man are just taking them to be fucking destroyed, god i hate this universe

>>5807502
Based

>>5807538
DID HE LEAVE A BVM ON THE PORCH?

>>5807567
like an idiot, yes he did.

i just picked up a 20' trinitron, and i still havent decided how i want to set up retro games on it. i was thinking using a wii for everything before ps1/64 but i really want to use a playstation controller for games. whats the best machine to emulate ps1/64 games without emulating rgb cables?

>>5807893
You can use a ps2 controller through a USB adapter on the Wii. It works find

>>5807893
Classic controller pro isn't bad and I think it's more comfortable than the dualshocks overall. Also, PS2 can do component and play ps1 games.But for N64, Wii works for certain games but not well for others.

>>5807170
Guaranteed it works. Very common dumb seller mistake.

>>5807897
thanks for the info anon, that will be my next buy, then ill set up the wii as my emulation machine.
>>5807904
its funny you say that, because i recently hacked my wii and have been playing alot of wii games with the pro controller and i actually like it alot. i picked up another wii at a yardsale for 15$ and im going to use that to put my gen 1 - 3 games on.

>$2500
What did he mean by this?

So I just RGB modded my twin famicom and it looks amazingly crisp, trouble is the image contrast seems to be lower than normal RGB from other consoles. I've had this problem with RGB modchips before, any ideas on how to fix it?

>>5808205
Jesus

how good is the kv 27fs200 compared to other trinitrons?

Does anyone still sell batteries for PVMs?

>>5808372
Yes

>>5808205
the sad part is people are willing to pay this price.

>>5808225
Make sure your scart cable has the correct (or lack of) resistors in the head.

It's probably a case of having resistors where it shouldn't. IIRC the NESRGB (guessing you're using this since you forgot to give vital info with your question) doesn't take any components in the scart head.

There is a Samsung dynaflat 30" crt HDTV about 2 hours away from me. The guy wants $80 and it weighs 120 lbs. Should I do it? Is it worth it?

>>5808656
Oh yeah pic

>>5808656
>>5808658
fuck no. samsung hdtvs are fucking trash.

>>5806485
It's like 90% of the quality with like 5% of the price. It's seriously the best bang for your buck.

I have RGB everything, PVM etc. After I already went crazy for the PVMeme for a few years, I tried playing SNES (and other consoles) on a large consumer set with S-Video and actually strongly preferred the S-Video for retro gaming. I now only use my PVM for 4:3 video content. It's great for that but too clinical for retro games for my preference.

It's hard to explain, but S-Video is damn good. After a certain point, RGB/PVM become simply mental masturbation.

>>5806532
Do you think this is reddit or something?

I have this 5" Broksonic Deluxe B/W, what kind of antenna adapter would I need to use it with a PC?

>>5808747
Is it even worth it? Here's the back

>>5808747
>>5808748
>what kind of antenna adapter would I need to use it with a PC?
You'd need multiple adapters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMiMz1uGCXI
>Is it even worth it?
No.

>>5806485
It's a significant step up over S video but the colors will be still similar to composite and it won't be as sharp. But how worth it is to upgrade to RGB or Component depends on the system

>>5805805
Delock works fine it's what I use, seems cheaper than the Sunix

>>5808747
Not worth it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AKJhJWu8P0

Initial tests with a Sony VPH-D50 that I picked up for 25 bucks at a electronic recycler

I have a small PVM I'm looking to sell (20N5U).
How much do you guys think I should ask for it?

>>5809247
thats a fuckin big PVM where are you selling it

>>5809241
>>5809246
Stunning convergence.

>>5809248
Small compared to my other one.
Local eBay or Facebook marketplace in Germany (NRW)

>>5809241
aesthetic as fuck

>>5809247
don't sell it

>>5809247
>composite and s-video only
It’s garbage. $15.

>>5809253
150 pounds I guess, someone will pay that

>>5809247
14N5U*
Sorry...

>>5809268
I just sold one for 125 USD

So all in all I'm looking at a good price.
Neat.
Also if any of you guys are close I'm willing to give it for as much as I paid for it (30€).

>>5807059
If it's originally a momentary switch, you probably don't want to put a rocker on where the power button is. You'd constantly be running power through the circuit that requests a degauss. Although that does sound really interesting... I wonder if after the first cycle whether the degaussing current would come to equilibrium with the thermistor and just run constantly? It depends a lot on whether the control circuit for that is analog or digital and how many failsafes there are. Could be fun to try with an old garbage set.

>>5808372
Yeah but they're really expensive and cost almost as much as the battery itself to ship

>>5808917
That's almost it, I need a matching transformer for the ext antenna (3.5mm plug), adding composite doesn't look that complicated so I might try that in the future
>>5809225
Looks comfy, I'd use it for B/W movies and maybe GB emulation

How big is the jump in quality from composite to vga? Assuming both are Trinitrons.

>>5811084
vga is the highest quality signal available, but I'm curious what you have that takes both composite and vga cause composite is used for 15khz stuff and vga for 31khz so there's no reason to be comparing them.

>>5811220
>but I'm curious what you have that takes both composite and vga
I don't. I only have a composite Trinitron CRT as of now. I just wanted to see if saving up for a VGA desktop monitor was worth it.
>vga is the highest quality signal available
I thought RGB/Component were the highest quality?

>>5811228
VGA is RGBHV whereas most console plebs use RGBs. You wont be able to hook up your consoles to a VGA monitor so it's not going to replace your composite TV. You could of course use something like a retrotink2x and a tendak HDMI to VGA converter, but just having a nice TV is a much better solution than that bullshit.

>>5811235
>You could of course use something like a retrotink2x and a tendak HDMI to VGA converter
Yeah I was thinking of getting an OSSC and an adapter if needed to connect the VGA monitor to my modded PS2 which I use to emulate. But I'm quite happy with my little composite Trini as it is so this is all a big maybe for the future. Thanks anon, I was under the impression from people here that an RGB PVM is the king, but apparently VGA is better.

>>5811250
VGA is RGB, it just uses discrete sync for both the horizontal and vertical. The type of RGB which PVMs use is RGBs, in this the sync is combined into what's called composite sync. Not to be confused with composite video. RGBHV and RGBs, just two different kinds of RGB. PVMs are fucking overrated btw, you should look around and check shit out to find out what you like and not just get something because some retard told you it's "the best" you can get.

>>5811250
Well, they're still pretty different. But in my opinion it's more worth it to shell out for an OSSC versus shelling out for a PVM. If you get lucky and find a PVM for cheap or free then that might be nice though

>>5811252
5/5 post. Thank you anon, I'm learning so much today.

>>5811253
>If you get lucky and find a PVM for cheap or free then that might be nice though
Yeah I've been scanning surplus auctions, colleges, and TV stations. No luck as of yet, but I know my day will come. As of now I'm setting my sights on OSSC + VGA monitor for my next purchase. Hopefully CRT Santa will drop a PVM on my porch.

Would the external line/scan doublers for the amiga work with retro consoles and VGA CRT monitors?

Thoughts?

>>5811732
Not the hero we deserve, but the one we need.

>>5811732
what a great guy

https://sandusky.craigslist.org/ele/d/sandusky-32-sony-trinitron-tv/6955335383.html
Should I?

>>5812087
that's a wega

>>5812141
Should I?

God I wish my craigslist wasnt littered with "RETRO GAMER CRT - $1000" for a fucking pvm without even rgb

>>5812183
yes why not

>>5811576
Fancy ones that look for the Amiga's dot clock output won't.

>>5811732
my thought is that you should read the fucking thread and see the 5 or more other posts about this. I'm so sick of seeing people post this everywhere over and over.

>>5812087
>>5812183
just for reference, that's a KV-32XBR200. You can tell cause the lip is dark grey and the marking on the bottom. It's an earlier model wega but the XBR sets were supposed to be Sony's flagship line, so build quality shouldn't be lacking. I'd still try and talk the seller down a little cause $40 is $40 more than it's worth. I saw a free KV-36XBR200 with the matching stand near me last year for free lol.

>>5798126
I got a 32" Sony Trinitron in a cabinet for $30 bucks. Don't search for CRTs, search Facebook marketplace for TV and filter results over $50 dollars. I promise someone is practically giving away the TV of your dreams.

Made a "sync on green" mod for my PSX (PS1, SCPH-5501. Might also work on 100x/300x with few changes, and later models with more changes due to the different encoder).
It's not 1vpp but it works and lets me use PS2 component cables instead of falling for the SCART meme. Also no holes drilled.

>>5812697
If you do use a buffer chip you can easily substitute 74LS04 by just connecting to pin 1, bridging 2 and 3, and putting the resistor on 4 (the output). I just wouldn't trust an IC with open collector outputs like the 74LS07 which might be screwed up by the termination on video signals.

>>5812706
>>5812697
tested working on PVM-20L5 and PVM-14L5

>>5812706
arduino uno is my cheap modchip because I had it lying around for probably five or six years unused since it can't do USB HID and adapt keyboards.
Running psNee, the 6 wire version (git master).

https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/zip/d/southlake-free-old-tvs/6956884334.html
Worth the 45 minute ride?

>>5812789
no

>>5812557
Why do these device need the amiga's dot clock? Isn't the needed timing information contained on the hsync, vsync and csync pins?

>>5812807
If you've got the dot clock signal you can sample at the proper horizontal resolution and phase for better quality.