/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5780551
>Brainlet level battles
If you're looking to menu sims for big-brained combat, you're barking up the wrong tree.
>Too short for an RPG
Not padding out the duration of the game with mandatory grinding is a positive, not a negative.

>>5780551
>Too short for an RPG
Ah yes, because I enjoy half-hour cutscenes and three-hour grinds between them, and I also derive sexual pleasure from performing repetitive menial tasks.

>>5780551
it's short because you can replay it and get different endings. i guess the brainlet was you all along!

>>5780556
>Games don't have to have good gameplay.
>>5780563
>Epic fantasy games don't have to have a long enthralling story.

So it doesn't need to have good gameplay or good storytelling to be constantly held up as the best game of all time.

>>5780569
>So it doesn't need to have good gameplay or good storytelling to be constantly held up as the best game of all time
Nope. Just needs passable gameplay and a legendary soundtrack.

>>5780575
>legendary
>on an N64
I've heard higher quality songs on the MSX2 than the N64.

>>5780580
Hur dur

>>5780580
I'll call out that bullshit. Find me one MSX song that is anywhere on this level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO7z2FYB_mo

>>5780583
I could recreate most N64 game music with a MIDI, and it would sound the same. If you want to hear something that isn't MIDI tier, just look up the Legend of Heroes soundtrack on the MSX2. Hell, even Madou Monogatari sounds more pleasant.

>>5780580
>>5780589
Which jewtuber made an MSX video recently? I'm seeing this shit in multiple threads suddenly and it always seems to be traceable back to some retro gaming e-grifter.

>>5780594
Literally no one, I've just listened to them on my own.

>>5780589
MIDI isn't a synthesizer. Its a digital interface to transfer samples. It's not an instrument. Fail.

>>5780589
>I could recreate most N64 game music with a MIDI
>""""a MIDI""""
Do you even know how sequencing works, my dude?

>>5780603
What I mean is that it sounds like a generic midi on a computer, I know it sounds different on different sound hardware. Oh wait, the N64 didn't have a soundchip!

>>5780551
CHRONO TRIGGER DESIGN GOAL = ENTRY LEVEL RPG = mission accomplished

>>5780605
Yes, I've made MIDIs before.

>>5780551
Yes, it's fucking short but not shorter than Dragon quest

>>5780568
It's actually a neat idea but I don't know if the multiple joke endings are worth it

>>5780606
You're so fucking stupid, you don't even know how to make your statement passable even when someone tells you that you're wrong.

MIDI is a format for transferring digital files. Your statement that you could "make" it with MIDI or that "it sounds like 'generic MIDI'" is literal nonsense.

It is the equivalent of saying, "I could program that using USB." "Er uh generic programs that could run through a USB."

Even if I translate your statement from retard to English, it is not impressive. Oh, you can learn to play a song on a piano that someone already wrote? Stop the fucking presses.

Newsflash: You're fucking retarded.

Babby’s first RPG.

>great story

>>5780551
>too short
I feel like it was the perfect length honestly. Didn't feel like anything was wasting my time. I wish there were more short and well-paced RPGs.

>>5780551
>brainlet level battles
Who plays jrpg for the challenge? Name a single "hard" jrpg.

>>5780551
> Too short for an RPG. 7/10.

FFIV takes me 9 hrs to beat with only a bit of grinding when I get a new lvl 1 character mid game.

Chrono Trigger takes like 15.

>>5781053
>8/10 autistic meltdown
If you described music in the late 90s as sounding "like MIDI" they would know what you meant. It was a common term associated with synthesized music.
I docked points from your tard rant because MIDI is not a "file transfer" format it's a protocol and set of hardware standards, it just happens you can save MIDI instructions in a file.

>>5781296
They're both short games, a typical non-rushed playthrough of each one will be just over 20 hours. If you compare speedruns it like 3 hours for FF4 and 6 hours for CT.

Did you even get all of the 15 (or so) endings, OP? Do it and tell me again it's too short of an RPG...

>>5781282
(Not OP) I would say 7th Saga, but I'm sure you'll say it's difficulty boils down to grinding and luck and not being an actual challenge.

>>5781183
yeah it's kind of interesting to compare the games in terms of content. It's not like the lists of items, abilities, and enemies has increased dramatically over time. It's still all the same spells all the same weapons, etc.

Just for a simple comparison: Cloud has 16 swords in FF7. Chrono has 19 in CT. Cecil has 16 swords and can also equip axes (4) and bows. Now FF7 does indeed have more gameplay content overall I'm not saying it doesn't, but there's a lot of "inflation" going on where the game makes you earn/grind for shit that just came faster and easier in earlier games. That plus an extra 12 hours of cutscenes just makes the game progress more slowly and is why a typical play for FF7 is 80 hours vs 20 for FF4 and Chrono Trigger. It's not because there's literally 4 times more game.

>it's another *insert popular game* is shit / the greatest / overrated episode
Shit thread, nobody cares about your ratings of these games

>>5780607
>>5781132
What are some actual hardcore SNES era JRPGs to you?

I mean, I know Chrono Trigger is not really difficult, but I thought it was pretty solid of an RPG.

>>5780551
>Amazing graphics
I don't like the dragonball designer

>>5781480
Not them, but can you think of many simpler JRPGs than Chrono Trigger for the SNES? For me, only Mystic Quest and Super Mario RPG come to mind.

Take FF4. Each character has a set of weapon types they can use, with overlap. So Cecil can use swords, knight swords, axes, bows, and low-level staves. Kain can use swords, axes, and spears. Rydia and Palom can use bows, rods, and daggers. Tellah can use rods and staves. Yang uses claws which add no attack power due to the monk's special damage formula. And speaking of damage formula, the FF4 damage formula has 3 components you can manipulate. You have attacks per turn (apt), to-hit, and damage. The APT is based on both strength and agility (agility is worth half as much as strength). To-hit is based on level, weapon, and whether you're in the lead position in the party. The damage value is based on the weapon.

In FF5 you have something like 20 unique jobs all with their own traits and abilities. FF6 is similar and while FF6 has issues you still have much of the complexity described above for FF4 with regards to a mix of overlapping and exclusive equipment choices and stats. If it wasn't broken, for example. FF6 has an "Evade" and a "Magic Evade" stat, where Chrono Trigger just has one "Evade" stat.

In Chrono Trigger, each character has their own personal weapon class, and everything else is shared (except for a very small number of female-only or character-only items). Stats are simplified. Chrono's ability system is fantastic to be sure, but it's a very rigidly organized and balanced system. Every character has 8 spells. Those 8 spells can combine into 45 or so double techs, and 15 triple techs. I think there's something close to 115 abilities total. Compare that with FF6 where Gau alone has something like 250 rages. Strago has 25 lores. Cyan, Sabin, and Edgar all have 8 special abilities. Shadow has Throw and Relm has Sketch, abilities with no equivalent at all in Chrono Trigger.

>>5781480
>>5781550
Now, please do not think I am saying that mainline Final Fantasy games are in any way "hardcore" or that CT is on the same level as a game like FF Mystic Quest, but mainline (SNES) FF games are generally deeper, broader, and more serious in terms of RPG mechanics than Chrono Trigger. It's true that Chrono Trigger has a really clever use 2D battlefield while still maintaining standard JRPG-style combat, an undeniably cool feature vs Final Fantasy and enables a variety of abilities like Line-of-Sight spells (flame thrower) and limited Area of Effect spells (Cyclone). But on the other hand, CT doesn't have anything like the "front row, back row" decision-making that players have in Final Fantasy games, and parties are limited to 3 characters rather than 4 or 5.

>>5781506
Akira Toriyama, that's fair, I really love his work but I know some of the criticisms are somewhat valid (mainly sameface, which isn't really an issue in Dragon Ball but is in much of his other work)

>>5781568
Mmm I've always found it the other way around. He's usually much more detailed and careful in his other artwork, but sameface absolutely takes over DragonBall, especially in the later arcs.

>>5780551
>Great story.
not really

>>5780583
that track is almost perfectly suited to the msx opl expansion actually

it's almost the same chip used in this game but with 3 fm channels and a lot more flexible instruments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drwX7MbB_IE

>>5781728
^ 3 more

Chrono Trigger has closer to the feel of a television serial as opposed to other RPGs' movies or fantasy novellas. It's simpler, but it allows for the story to take more abrupt, dramatic turns in a sort of episodic pattern. True to its art direction, it is sort of like an anime with how the story fits in "arcs"--like, "Oh, I'm at the Magus saga now," "now I'm up to the Zeal arc." It's not that the story itself is all that good, or even the "charm of the characters" that often gets brought up; more that, it has this formula that gets you invested, quicker, and adds a sort of context to all the auxiliary content you clear at whatever point that you do.

Also, the battle system kicks ass. I don't care if it's easy. Games and other easy RPGs like FFVII are less about not dying and more about minimizing resource expenditure. If you're really the kind of person who only likes games you can get mad at, get mad at wasting MP or an item. Techs, especially, are all about clearing mobs in whatever way best suits your approach, not in a "break glass in case of," do it or you'll die, "it only counts if I HAVE to do it" methodology. And the way said mobs will graze in realtime and their formation affects AoE: pic related.

>>5781053
>wojak
Also, I've known that it's a universal format. My point is that the N64 has terrible sound quality. I don't get the fanboys that like the SNES for its impressive sound, and then love the N64 for its abysmal sound quality.

>>5781925
kek
it's because the n64 was only a minor improvement sound wise so it reminds them of the snes

>>5781728
Way too repetitive. Simple melody. Go sperg out on shit Japanese computers if you want, but N64 is far better technically and has many famous songs unlike your forgotten crap.

>>5781953
The Nintendo 64 sounds like shit though. Obviously great composers for the console, but doesn't change the fact that the hardware was limiting them more than it should have been limiting them (both the other 5th generation consoles were released earlier and have better sound quality).

>>5781445
It would still be nonsense for all the reasons described.

MIDI is absolutely a file transfer format. That's why it's acronym is Musical Instrument Digital Interface.

"MIDI is an acronym that stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface. It's a way to connect devices that make and control sound — such as synthesizers, samplers, and computers — so that they can communicate with each other, using MIDI messages."

Oh, but I'm sure you could perfectly recreate a song--which wouldn't even be impressive--when you don't even understand the definition of the bullshit you spew.

MSX is a garbage platform with 0 games of any merit.

>>5781953
bro you were talking about the quality of the sound, not the song writing

here's dire dire docks on the same vrc7 (gimped version of the msx expansion card)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEyvs16kbwI

>>5782067
Clearly worse from the first bar.

>>5782069
no shit i never said it's exactly the same, just that that's a track the msx could handle decently.

here's a newer homebrew that supports 2 different sound setups and shows what you can really do

OPL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz3TW9JLHw8

OPL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGh63HrYiG8

the OPL4 expansion (from 1995) has 24 PCM channels at 16bit 44kHz w/ 128k-2MB + 18 FM channels which makes it easily competitive with the N64 and even the PS1 SPU.

>>5781974
I'm in this thread to talk about Chrono Trigger not get into a retarded turbo nerd console war bullshit over some fucking ancient hardware component that nobody ever gave a shit about, ever. Both of you are retarded.

>>5782158
>MSX total sales: 9M

>>5782158
>ancient hardware component
>MIDI
lel

>>5780551
It's not overrated. It's the best one in the whole JRPG genre.

>>5780642
I never felt Chrono Trigger was short.
I felt it had a lot of content.

>>5780569
>Epic fantasy games don't have to have a long enthralling story.
>Implying CT doesn't have this
Nigger please.
CT has one of the most interesting worlds I've ever see in a Jarpig...in fact it's one of the most interesting worlds I've seen in a video game period.

>>5780551

I don´t associate dificulty with quality, at all. Not that i can´t enjoy a good game when its hard but its simply not a factor i use for judging wether i will like a game or not. Same goes with length, usually games that advertise themselves for being long are not very good, and when its supposed to be really long and really hard like a black man´s cock then you know its also full of aids and its a chore filled with padding, like Skyrim. Usually those are two selling points used to sell mediocre games,


Chrono Trigger´s combat is really fun and felt very fresh. It lasted what you could expect a videogame to last for the price tag, and the quality of the content was good, its super memorable. It deserves its recognition although i don´t think its the single "best jrpg" ever like many people say but its definitely up there among the best.

>>5780575
>>5780580
Should have used F-Zero X as an example.
You can't do that shit on MSX.

>>5782210
You fuckers are mainly arguing about MSX and N64, the MIDI is just an extra layer of stupid on top.

>>5782204
Most people buy computers for what they can do not for what they are. It's the rare fag who gets into a huge pissing match over hardware that's been obsolete for decades.

>>5781471
They literally made that game hard for the west.

About Chrono Trigger and difficulty:
If you want Chrono Trigger to be challenging then don't overlevel and play at the highest speed.

>>5780551
Fuck me this game was awesome
It's unique

>Dat Toriyama-Horii-Sakaguchi trio in their primes
Even if the Dream Team returned to make another game I doubt they could ever make a game like Chrono Trigger again.

>>5781550
>>5781565
Stupid fuck. People don't care about what's a better RPG, they care about which game is more fun and Chrono Trigger is much more fun than those piles of unfun shit.

Also, just because Final Faggotry has dedicated spells to cure specific status effects doesn't make it any deeper than Chrono.

>>5781506
Because you have shit taste.

>>5781568
Fair doesn't equate to "shit taste".

>>5781821
Retarded fuck, it feels nothing like an anime.

>>5781953
Dude shut your nigger ass, the shit he linked is banging and shits on all of Nintendo's generic soundtracks(except maybe Earthbound).

>>5781728
This sounds amazing for NES holy shit.

>>5782314
that's cause it's using an extra sound chip

>>5782067
That sounds like you ran it through the based Fart Modulator, why would you post this trash?

>>5780551
The PSX port is the definitive edition for the FMVs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Sb9CZEz9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQcS4xhhqo

>>5782369
the original is sampled from an fm synthesizer retard

>>5782381

It isn´t. It suffers from terrible lag in certain points and whenever you open menus. It becomes really infuriating after a little while.

The definitive version would be the DS port. It has all the FMVs but without the issues the psx version had.

The absolute worst is the PC version from last year , total garbage. Even if you add the 5 patches (yes, they had to patch the game 5 fucking times bacuse thats how bad it was) it still doesn´t have the FMVs . I don´t know how they could have fucked it up so badly, you might as well just emulate the snes or DS versions if you want to play it for the first time.

>>5782483
the FMVs suck though

>>5782486

Is not like they add much but i liked them.

>>5782489
all they do is reinforce how much the game looks like dbz

>>5782285
5/10 (F)
don't try so hard next time

what are some essential ~20 hour jrpgs like chrono and ff4?

Can we smarten up and just stop replying in bait threads to keep them from having any fire to stoke. I'm getting sad seeing this place turn shittier and shittier with every passing day filling up with /v/irgins treating conversation like a game of King of the Hill.

>>5782495

but that´s your own bias against Toriyama , not really a negative.

>>5782540
what are you talking about autist

>>5782550

what you read nigger, thats is not a problem unless you have your own gay ass bias against Toriyama´s art style, you already sperged about hating the game because it looks that way, that only makes the FMVs a negative for you and you alone.

>>5782572
>sperged out with 1 sentence

kek

>>5782276

That ship sailed my friend, the time for a direct sequel with the same team and style of gameplay and artstyle was in the 90s. Now it would just look like Dragon Quest XI or like some shitty indie knockoff if they tried to go back to the original.

Granted Chrono Cross was a pretty good game on its own but it was not a proper Chrono Trigger sequel.

>>5782572
But Toriyama's sameface-riddled art sucks.

>>5782760
I'm not sure they could have even done it back then but yeah the chance was higher then.

>>5780551
>i dont like thing thread

>>5782497
Not an argument.
You know I'm right.

>>5782817

but that is only your own very homosexual opinion.

>>5782572
The FMV's suck. They're inconsistent with the art of the game and the character designs are Yamamuro as fuck(dude who worked on the DBZ anime) and not Toriyama.
Not to mention they just disturb the cohesive consistent presentation of the game overall and they suck compared to the artwork Toriyama did for the game which is so beautiful and detailed like this one for example https://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/f/f9/Poster2.jpg

Also fuck those retcon scenes that autist Masato Kato put in there like hinting at Guardia falling and Marle and Chrono getting married(which was never outright confirmed in the SNES version) and shit.

>>5782817
Prime Toriyama is a God and in top 3 comic artists of all time.
Pic related.

>>5782483
>The definitive version would be the DS port.
Worse colors(it has a sort of disgusting green tint to it)
Worse sound/soundtrack/sound-effects
Worse resolution which makes text unreadable
Worse translation(don't argue with me, it sucks and it's faggy and no Shakespearean frog)
Shitty new dungeons which ruin the reputation of the game just so that fucking egoistical cunt Masato Kato can insert his cringey retcon shit to connect it with his shitty game Chrono Cross.

>>5780551
I played it when it came to DS and I thought it wasn't that great. but I do think RPGs could stand to be a little shorter.

>>5782843
>Pic related is awesome. Toriyama is a God. Top 3 comic artist.

Sad thing is you actually believe that. No backgrounds, no color, no shadows, no subtlety. Look at how shit your pic looks to a decent comic frame.

>>5782825
Posting niggers is an argument.

>>5782817
Same faces a dumb buzzword. Every anime does it. People just pick on Toriyama since his style is instantly recognizable, unlike all the other cookie cutter trash out there.

>>5782843

>Look at how shit your pic looks to a decent comic frame.

I don't see one.

>>5782863

>Look at how shit your pic looks to a decent comic frame.

I don't see one. where is it?

>>5782848
>>5782843

you are reaching peak autism levels here anon.

You simply have shitty gay autistic nitpicks, it suits your mental illness but not everyone is like you.

>>5782863
>Alan Moore
Lmao that hack wishes he could be have 1% of Tori's talent.

>>5782879
No they are not autistic nitpicks.
Not when they asked 40 bucks for that piece of shit port of what was a 13 year old game at that point.

Unlike your millennial ass I respect the game and I respect the Dream Team who actually made it(something which Masato Kato being an egoistical prick doesn't).

>>5782869
Westernfags think that tracing over real photographs is good comic art.

>>5780556
>If you're looking to menu sims for big-brained combat, you're barking up the wrong tree.
Some people require a minimum amount of difficulty to challenge their brains, otherwise they might as well be watching a movie.
>Not padding out the duration of the game with mandatory grinding is a positive, not a negative.
Extending the length of a game != increasing the amount of grinding therein.

>x is shit
Take these garbage threads back to >>>/v/, nobody cares

>>5782826
You didn't even disagree with anything I wrote and are just trying to start a fight.

>>5782890
I'd find more talent working on just one Marvel hero than has ever come out of Japan. Mass produced, thick lined, easily reproducible, uncolored, unshaded, unstoryboarded, garbage for literal perma virgin japs to read on the subway while they sniff vending machine panties. Look up "best comic book artists" on Google--zero weebs. Go live in moon land, Otaku fag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FGgYp6mdk

>>5782105
>Farting trumpets the track is on par with CD quality music.

Imagine being this retarded.

>>5782949
>Marvel hero

stopped reading right there.

go enjoy your badly traced porn actors and wrestlers fighting the exact same bad guy in garrish color spandex for the next 100 years . I´m sure the next arc of super whoever will feature more, lgbt pocs and even more jewish representation. Maybe Spider dude will give a touching speech about aceptting drag kids like a true muhrican.

>>5782973
what do the specs have to do with trumpets

>>5782973
what do the specs have to do trumpets?

also I said playstation SPU which means the sampler chip retard

>>5783000
Well because you claimed that the MSX had much better music than the N64. Then I called bullshit, and you posted 2 crappy songs. Multiple people told you they were shit. Then you said that you weren't posting them because they were good, only to show that they had better specs. Now you're trying to say that it's better than the Playstation sampling chip, which the PSX didn't need to sample shit at all.

By the way. How much more would a MSX2 with OPL4 addon cost in 1995? How would that compare to the $250 price point of a N64? What games could you play on there that would be comparable at all to an N64? You also still have yet to post ONE decent track.

>>5782949
You're a jew, and you only have such smugness because western culture is effectively jewish at this point all of Marvel. You get butthurt when the infinitely more cultured samurai show you up at your very own game.

>>5783020
that was another guy who said msx can do better. i just said the msx can handle something like dire dire docks. obviously the n64 can technically do more

no idea what the opl4 cost in 95 lmao

>>5783023
post top tier examples of eastern "culture".

>>5783024
Try several thousand 1995 dollars.

>>5783025
>Dragon Ball
>Evangelion
>Ghost in the Shell
>Cowboy Bebop
>JoJo
Compare that to anything that jews have shitted out in the past two decades. Even three.

>>5783028
i doubt it. for 1995 it wasn't that exceptional.

>>5783040
>duh, what's inflation?

>>5783028
the AWE32 was $400 in 1995
moonsound opl4 was less capable but probably around the same

>>5783037
Even 1980s American Movies are better than your whole list:
Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Blade Runner
Full Metal Jacket
Scarface

Even Disney Movies Since 1980:
Aladdin
Lion King
Robin Hood
Beauty and the Beast
Nightmare Before Christmas

How about music? Got anything to compare to:
Ozzy Osbourne
Pearl Jam
Metallica
Guns N' Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Radiohead
Weezer
Nine Inch Nails
Franz Ferdinand
White Stripes

Not to mention plays, authors, athletes, artists, television, and about 100 other categories the Japs don't even show in, yet alone compare to American culture.

>>5783127
>Star Wars
>Indiana Jones
Stopped reading right there. You're a worthless normalfag.

>>5783127
>Weezer
>Nine Inch Nails
>Franz Ferdinand
>White Stripes

>>5783123
A Soundblaster would be far cheaper considering it was made in much greater numbers. They sold so few of this meme OPL4 there isn't a price that you can easily find. Not to mention you would have to import it and then also buy a computer to be able to make sound come out of it. Even if it was $400, that is nearly twice the cost of a N64 for something with 0 good games that didn't ever produce a single good song that has been posted.

>>5783138
yeah i mean i think it was intended entirely for homebrew. pretty sure no commercial games used it. came out in 95 anyway

>>5783131
Posts a picture of a fag.
>>5783136
Name literally one Japanese band that is anywhere near those. Looking up Japanese bands in general gives a list of literal whos. They don't do any better in EDM. God help your argument if I said pick a good rapper.

Your meme is literally from a famous American 70s movie, which just helps prove how shit Japanese culture is.

I could choose martial arts and not one Jap is going to be on the level of American fighters.

>>5783158
>Name literally one Japanese band that is anywhere near those.
Not quite a band, but Nujabes. 'Bands' are a stupid jewish psyop anyway.

>God help your argument if I said pick a good rapper.
>he likes rap
You aren't a human being, though.

>>5783158
>Posts a picture of a fag.
That isn't Freddy Mercury, by the way, you stupid fucking normalfag.

>>5783162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdI3ZxZ0pTE&list=PLqQwiwTAhpTgTuyE1RqI-h0k7wByrcz8E&index=1

That is what you hold up to platinum selling artists? I don't even like rap, my point was that jap culture is complete trash to western culture in every measurable way.

This has been fun. I'm off to play Doom. Tell me which Jap 90s shooter was even on par with that?

>>5783171
>Tell me which Jap 90s shooter was even on par with that?
None, because Japanese aren't goyim slaves that are taught to shoot sandniggers through their video games.

>>5783164
gay mustache and pierced right ear.

>>5783256
Congrats, you're too stupid to understand nuance.

>>5780551
I don't think it's overrated...well maybe a little. Personally I prefer FFVI and I hate it when people say CT is the best RPG on the SNES...but it's still an amazing game

>>5783286
You're a stupid cocksucking zoomer, and you have no understanding of what makes a good JRPG.

>>5780551
If CT were to ever be properly remade:
1) Get that 10th party member put in. I want playable Gaspar.
2) Introduce one more time period for the third act. As is, you basically go through three major dungeons in a row and then have a handful of rooms to explore before going to the Black Omen. Another time period opening up with access to the flying Epoch would have been neat.

>>5783315
You put the Trigger in Chrono Trigger fucking incel

>>5783286
I see CT as a better game, but FF6 as a better RPG, if that makes sense.

>>5782973
> n64
> cd quality music
lol

>>5782843
> top 3 comic artists of all time
> pick a random page of berserk
> looks way better than anything in dragonball

>>5783664
Are you aware of how terrible current Berserk looks?

>>5780551
toOo ShOrt FoR aN rPg

>>5783690
Please return to reddit.

>>5783648
The person was claiming that the MSX had a better sampling chip than the PSX. It's a stupid argument because the PSX didn't need to sample, it could just play CD quality tracks whenever it wanted.

You are confused because the MSX fanboy was also claiming that the N64 sounded worse than a MSX, but when he was asked to give examples of good songs he came up with nothing.

>>5784901
Dragon Slayer the Legend of Heroes (OPLL) has a soundtrack that's way more pleasant on the ears than any Nintendo 64 game. Madou Monogatari has a great soundtrack as well.

>>5784948
Also please tell me people know I'm criticizing the HARDWARE, and not the COMPOSERS? There's a huge difference there; a game can have great composers, but they can be brought down by terrible sound hardware.

>>5780551
Branching story and secrets out the ass.
Fuck off faggot.

>>5780551
Battles were fun and it was the perfect length
It also invented new game + and was extremely repayable
Replaying most JRPG's is a slog but CT is a joy to replay
Also kys for talking shit about CT

people are still running CT 24 yrs later

>>5786565
>It also invented new game+
Well, that's a bit of a stretch.
Yes, it's the first RPG I know of that lets you start over at the beginning with all your gear and levels. But as far back as Super Mario Brothers you had a New Game+ with harder enemies. Zelda had the Second Quest. I always thought it was weird more RPGs didn't have some kind of secret to unlock after you beat the final boss.

>>5780551
>Brainlet level battles
More importantly, the exploration and adventure aspects are not as bad as in a Final Fantasy game, but still bare-bones. Chrono Trigger has amazing aesthetics, but as a game it fails quite a bit. The way it is, it should have been a cartoon series.

>>5782863
Yeah, generic drawing over photos is waaaaaaaaay better than Toriyama's unique and immediately recognizable style. With a generic Batman image you've 100000% convinced me.

>>5782949
Most of the relevant Marvel Heroes were created by Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko. A big reason Toriyama's art is good is the character design and personality. Anyone complaining about the technical details instantly reveals themselves as a try-hard pseudo art critic who probably just took a class about it last semester. Sameface maybe, but also an instantly-recognizable style and it doesn't prevent the faces from being expressive which is usually more important.

>>5782158
>some fucking ancient hardware component that nobody ever gave a shit about, ever.
>MIDI
Look at this faggot and laugh. I bet you never composed anything in the past 3 decades.

>>5786994
Drooler read the thread I was not talking about MIDI I was talking about MSX. My last composition was last year.

>>5786902

Toriyama was a master on dinamic flow of action and from panel to panel, his manga should be taken very seriously by anyone studying the medium. The really cool stuff is what its there but you don´t inmediatly see, its simply effective as hell.

he was also seriously OP when it came to composition and design of a picture, shape languague , rhytm , all that jazz. His main characters are shitty, and he grew lazy with that aspect over time, granted but his worldbuilding stuff and his creatures, props, npcs, etc are all really good. Dragon Quest would not have been remotely the same without his charming iconic stuff.

DQ xI has a main character who is legit just Trunks, but all the other stuff in the game is really good, creative and fun looking, specially compared to cliche trite garbage and recicled enemies and characters you see on something like an Elder scrolls game.

>>5786902
Who could forget the atrocities Liefeld and the Image edgelords did, peak western comic art right there , biggest selling western comics ever too because thats exactly what burguers like

>>5780556
>Not padding out the duration of the game with mandatory grinding is a positive, not a negative.

This. Chrono Trigger is one of the only two RPGs I ever played that you could beat with 0 grinding.

>>5787083
I've played very few JRPGs, haven't grinded at all in FF7 for example. What was your other game?

People just rate it so high because the name sounds cool.

>>5787083
Then either you play a shitload of B-tier NES/Famicom JRPGs, or you're just stupid.

>>5780551
At least you're enough of a narcissist to be content knowing you're the only person with this shit opinion.

>>5786657
It did invent new game+
Those examples you listed aren't new game+
New game+ means you powered up your character/characters throughout a game and started over retaining their power level
Examples: Dead Space, Bloodstained RotN
A retro platform where you don't power up doesn't count
A game that simply increases difficulty the second playthrough doesn't count

>>5789492
Stop using the word "invent" it makes you look like a huge faggot. There's no "invention" they're just the first game to bother doing it. Hell I'm not even sure about that since I think there are WRPGs that let you import characters from other save files.

>>5780583
Easy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpIjT-LhNwg

>>5789570
>You didn't invent the light bulb, you were just the first person to bother making a light bulb

RPGs with a silent protagonists can't have a great story.

The characters are also one-note as fuck.

>>5780551
i'm just playing it through for the first time now and honestly i'm disappointed. i'm sure it was revolutionary at the time, but it hasn't aged well.

>>5782890
ah yes, alan moore. mostly known for his drawing skills.

>>5790830
you realize you just compared years of engineering effort with a trivial idea that had already been possible in previous games. D&D games like the gold box Dragonlance series allowed you to port characters with all their stats and equipment between entire games, you think there was any kind technical limitation with letting you start from the beginning of one with an end-game geared/leveled character? (In fact you might even be able to do that I don't remember). It was relatively common in D&D for player characters originating in one campaign could migrate to a different one, subject to DM approval.

The only real innovation that Chrono Trigger had was a reason to play the NG+ other than shits and giggles, allowing you to beat the game at any point in the playthrough to unlock different endings.