/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Deadline: You already missed it.
-All details and a FAQ can be found in the following pastebin to help get you started
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

=== NEWS ===

[7-27] AMC TC v3.5 released, receives a massive art overhaul.
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc

[7-26] Doom 1, 2 (Including Master Levels), & 3 now available on Nintendo Switch, Playstation 4, & Xbox One.
https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/1154788818970714112

[7-21] Mapping contest with $250 prize: make a Prey 1996-themed map within one of numerous games
http://talonbrave.info/?p=1801

[7-20] Quake SM199 - five maps made by teams of two mappers
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61754

[7-19] Tim Willits leaves id Software, after being at the company for 24 years
https://twitter.com/TimWillits/status/1151870022421241857

[7-18] Aleph One may be getting better mouse support
https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone/releases/tag/release-20190331

[7-17] Copper Quake updates to 1.05
http://lunaran.com/copper/index.html

[7-17] Mapwinch RC1 released - 30 mappers randomly paired with each other to make 15 maps
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107249-come-eat-the-mapwich-a-collaborative-community-project-rc1-available/

[7-12] Ion Maiden deflowered into Ion Fury
https://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1619524466602443850

[7-8] New beta release for La Tailor Girl
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=390#p1110538

[7-4] Alien Bastards! a new Doomer Boards mapset inspired by Alien Carnage
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1541/dbp13-alien

[7-3] Quake Speedmapping Pack 198: 768 ^ 2
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61748

[7-1] Anon updates 'Demon CounterStrike' to fix Rocket Launcher spawns
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5701806/#5702668

=== PREVIOUS ===

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== PROTIP ==

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Where is it?

>>5775268
3 Mordred time units.

If I make an Heretic WAD will you guys play it

>Carmack to announce new Doom 2 megawad by former id members for the 25th anniversary.

>>5775350
we need Carmack working secretly on a GZdoom Vulkan DX11+ fork with none of the bullshits made by graf

>>5775335
Someone somewhere will, eventually

>>5775260
Daggerfall workshop Finally Released and working fine.
https://www.dfworkshop.net/projects/daggerfall-unity/live-builds/
From now on it will be buigsmashing and optimization.
its not doom but its still related

>>5775357
>when you need to make your own fork of GZDoom to be able to remove the generic "Thanks, bye!" response from Strife dialogues

>>5775357
is the vulkan renderer even worth using as is?

>>5775389
It works for pure vanilla. Pretty much anything else makes it crash.
So no.

>>5775259
>Map09 of Doom64 on Ultra Violence

HOW did anyone play this on an N64?

>>5775246
>>5775249
I like Chasm as well, I think it's pretty good.
I can see what people dislike though, the tightrope stuff may be annoying to deal with to some.

Playing Quake 1.5, it's nice, any additional mods for it I should know?

So I tried the latest Fresh Supply on default settings.
It really doesn't feel right at all.

>>5775401
It gets harder too. I was really surprised with how difficult 64 was on PC seeing as how it was designed to be beaten with an 64 controller. Its easily the most difficult game out of the originals even with M&K.

>>5775401
>>5775462
I Own Doom doesn't fuck around

the fuck I'm supposed to get rid of this slippery forward mouse movement in Dark Forces?

>>5775442
Theres a recent mod called "Copper" thats supposed to be basically vanilla with subtle improvements like shotgun pellets going through dying enemies (instead of being stopped).

>>5775350
>needing any other "employees" to make Doom outside of the objectively best megawad Sigil
Need I remind you that Buckethead not only graciously licensed his music but created a brand new track specifically for it. Which is infinitely better than the baby sounds Bobby Prince made for the original or ANY other game.
If it's not GOTY by any journalist it will just prove they're just bought by the Russians or Tencent

>>5775557
"It has licensed music. GOTY!"

>>5775335
Hell yeah, Heretic is my jam.

>>5775557
ok romero

>>5775557
Sigil MIDI tracks>Sigil Buckethead tracks

>>5775259
How to install Copper onto QuakeSpasm?

>>5775595
You don't.

>>5775595
readme

Always thought that having smart autoaim off disabled all autoaim, but as it turns out there was another option called allow autoaim and that was on

so I've been playing gameplay mods on freelok with that on for a considerable amount of time lmao

>>5775594
This tho, i'm a guitar player and I love metal but the midi tracks just feel more "right" with the wad. currently stuck on e5m9.

I sort of hate how in Doom, you kind of bounce down stairs, making it difficult to control your movement. Is there a mod that fixes this somehow?

Are there any good wall blood decal mods out there? I know decals can't work the same way as sprites do, hence why Last Marine's blood probably can't be used with something universal like Nashgore, but these muddy textures just clash with everything.

>>5775697
Yes

>>5775619
That's different option, intended for multiplayer
"allow autoaim" "on" has no bearing on anything.
It just allows players to use it or NOT use it on player's discretion, for every player in a game.
if you have it on "on" and disabled it in player settings you will have autoaim disabled for YOU personally. If you are playing multiplayer, someone else might decide and play with AA on.

If you turn it to "off" however, then no one would be allowed to use autoaim, and their personal settings will be ignored.

Note that weapons with +NOAUTOAIM flag will never autoaim regardless of settings.

What's the name of the program that let's me add WADs to a list and sort them, forcing ZDoom to load the WADs in a specific order?

>>5775736

>>5775736
One's ZDL, the new kid on the block is DoomRunner that allows you to make presets easily. Or you can do the load order from WIndows Explorer too by Ctrl+click selecting files in the correct order and then dragging the first file in selection onto the .exe.

>>5775745
DoomRunner's pretty great for a beta right now. Easy mod toggling and map selection is a dream come true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkBXXlS7eo

is he right?

>>5775801
unfortunately for you the link to the video betrays its clickbait nature and as such I aint watching that shit nigga

>>5775801
You pulled this shit last thread. Fuck off.

>>5775401
that webm is pure nut

>>5775814
It's pure not retro

>>5775812
filter and report

>>5775812
>>5775860
wasn't even me you autists

>>5775812
>>5775860
>stop talking about Doom in the Doom general!

>>5775897
Talk about doom without posting dumb clickbait videos. (You) are capable of doing that.

>>5775389
What mod is that?

>>5775897
>>5775885
You sure are defensive about being called out for trolling with shitty clickbait videos. I wonder why?

>>5775905
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65460
on SIGIL

Well, this thread isn't doing so hot. Guess I'll come back in a few months.
See you tomorrow.

>>5775912
Thanks man

>Die in PRBoom
>restart from the start of the level instead of my last save

aaaaaawww fuck how do I change this, Id rather just press space instead of quickloading every time I get my ass handed to me in Sunlust

>>5775401
>webm
As pointless as it is, I kinda wish you could replay the very first part of NuDoom after playing it. Having a fully loaded Slayer with In-Flight Mobility and Blood Fueled would be so fun there.

>>5775923
...you absolutely can replay levels after you beat them, with your latest equipment

>>5775935
The opening bit of waking up and making your way out of the lab is a once-per-save deal, every time you start on the first level again it's after you exit the elevator to Mars' surface.

>>5775935
Not the first area, picking The UAC in level select menu throws you at the elevator after the logo sequence.

Is Strife worth playing? I'm the kind of guy who likes Hexen puzzles

>>5776014
If you like sucking cock then yah totally worth the buy.

>>5776014
Sure, guns are a mixed bag but the writing and voice acting are pretty great, and it has some neat mechanics and maps for it's time.

how bad is this port

>>5776028
The sounds awful but the one button switchable engine button, quick rewind feature and the new official Episode 5 make it worth playing.

>>5776028
There is no expansion packs

>>5776014
The art and voice acting are great. The level design and enemies are at least decent. But the weapons fucking suck. Really underpowered and unsatisfying.
Maybe this is heretical but I would recommend the mod "Strife Uncut". It adds a few new weapons that make the game way more fun to play, but still balanced.

>>5776038
Any way to replace the sound files with the old, non-bit crushed ones?

>>5776028
It's average. They fixed some of the sound quality issues, and it does look "decent" when you turn on the fancier graphics as they actually normal-mapped textures for more advanced lighting, but it's still kind of just "there" and the new episode is neat but not exactly stellar. The re-recorded Duke Talk is also just soulless garbage, but you can toggle it off. No expansion packs, and it doesn't have custom map support quite like Megaton Edition did, but looking past all the controversy, the World Tour version is just sort "there", though it's nowhere near the new Doom port levels of shit.

Just here to say Hexen is a trash fucking game, thank god there is only two mentions of it in this thread.

>>5775259
Was it ever explained why Shambler looks like a cat in the Quake Reboot?
Was it just so that it's fluffy form was more apparent?

>>5776052
I play on ps4. So I'm not sure. I would imagine no. Maybe check out the steam community tab.

Honestly if you wanna play Duke 3D then just use eDuke32 source port OR pirate the discontinued "Megaton Edition" that comes with the 3 expansion packs.

THEN when you've beat episodes 1-4 play World Tour for the 5th episode. That's the only reason to play World Tour Edition.

>>5776057
Three now that you mentioned Hexen, four now that I mentioned it.

Hexen is alright. Five.

>>5776062
Hexen is great except for the incredibly vague hexen-based SEVEN PORTALS shit

>>5776062
>>5776064
The maps are horrible, you are left looking around forever after killing presumably all the monsters just to start hearing another one in some random place.

>>5776057

>>5775259
Difference between Duke 3D Atomic Edition and Megaton besides name and title screen?

>>5776069

>>5776061

>>5776069
Atomic Edition is just the final version of the original DOS game. Like version 1.3 of Duke.

Megaton Edition came like 18 years later. Is in a proper 3D renderer I think, proper support for newer OS and has a rewind feature when you die. It's just a more modern port done by Devolver Digital.

DOOOOM!

https://youtu.be/apozAyXbGEs

>>5776028
Good
-Its Duke 3D
-True 3D Setting
-Looks Nice (So does eduke32/megaton)
-New Episode (It's good, but overrated)
-Theres a new weapon and enemy

Bad
-No Expansions
-Bad Audio
-The new lines are crap (They sound lazy and out of place in terms of audio quality. The new lines still play, even if switched off)
-Worse than/replaced megaton
-Poorly optimized

Unfortunately it's shit.

>>5776064
Raven kind of assumed the players would cotton onto certain things like the grinding sound of doors opening after a cryptic message, and that they would pay attention to map names.

Turned out they got mostly people who wanted fantasy Doom again.

What should I play

>>5776102
300 mins with Brutal Doom.

>>5776102

Anybody go to Quakecon? There was a meetup of Doomworld regulars.

>>5776123
>Not a single minority

This is my kind of community

>>5776123
I can't afford that crazy shit.

>>5776134
Is that a dude

>>5776123
Didn’t know Xaser was there. Come to think of it, I haven’t tried Psychic in awhile.

>>5776123
I'd like to at least meet Jimmy and Xaser, just once.

>>5776134
Depends on what you mean by "minority". In Zimbabwe, Zambia, South Africa, HK, Taiwan, and other nations like Thailand and Singapore, whites are a minority group. Just sayin'.

>>5776175
Yeah, that sure is a picture from QuakeCon Zambia.

>>5776134
I dont know who Seele or CSG are but they look like a certain sexual minority.

>>5776123
Xaser looks smug.

Though I guess I'd be smug too if I had revolutionized gameplay modding over and over again.

Why do some people dislike Sandy Peterson's levels? Episode 2 > Episode 1 imo

>>5776197
Sandy's levels can be a bit hit and miss, he was more experimental with his maps and the majority of them were done with less time than anybody else.

Even with Doom 2 it didn't get much better for him, the rest of the mappers having to pick up the slack since Romero was busy doing the rockstar developer shit.

>>5776197
I kinda prefer Episode 2 to 1 because 1 is just too easy for me now. I like the map designs of Episode 1 more though.

>>5776123
Jimmy looks like such a chill dude in every picture he's in.

>>5776197
I mean hes responsible for the vast majority of levels in Doom 1 and 2. If you don't like his levels you probably don't like Doom 1 or 2 that much. Obviously if you are responsible for that many levels there are bound to be a few stinkers.

>>5776095
It's not even that, though.
It's that the hints and messages are too vague
>SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE SEVEN PORTALS ON THIS MAP!
okay but that's fucking VAGUE

>>5776123
Good god, the personality match the faggy appearances. I hope they all contract an incurable disease so the community is rid of their ilk.

>>5776134
>>5776146
>>5776232

XD

>>5776123
essel is a qt

>>5776229
The Seven Portals is the hub map, the hub map with seven doors, doors that audibly start to open when you go back there after hitting a puzzle switch.

It's not Myst or some shit, it just hinges on one or two details that get overlooked by most people who try the game.

>best Peterson map
Monster Condo
>best Romero map
Living End
>best Tom Hall map
Refueling Base
>best American Mcgee map
The Crusher

>>5775259
Who or what is this Sad Panda and what happened to them?

>>5775387
>"Thanks, bye!"
why is that a thing in strife gzdoom?

>>5775387
Not if you use ZScript. Although it depends on what you want to do. If you wanna remove the "Thanks, bye!" option from a *custom* dialogue, you can use this ZScript class: https://pastebin.com/jtr8L8GQ

Then use "class = "L50DoomguyConversationMenu";" in the DIALOGUE lump.

Obviously change the class name to whatever you like, I just copy pasted it as is.

what is 2002 a doom odyssey about

>>5776260
Anime porn site.

>>5776258
>>best American Mcgee map
I prefer Hell Beneath more myself.

>>5776312
that also hosted some non porn obscure shit that might be lost now, sadly
as always, back shit up as much as possible

>>5776313
You are a strange man

>>5776352
It's not that bad of a map, it's just a pain if you're playing continuous.

>>5776123
even the average dude would be a chad in this room lmao

>What does Doomguy do on his spare time?
He listens to any song with the name Daisy in the lyrics.

>>5776368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaViL2Yy6K0

>>5776028
If you buy it, gearbox gets money.
That's how bad it is.

Doom 1, 2, Heretic, Hexen, and other idtech 1 games but on PS3 via a version of either Zandronum or Chocolate.

>>5776317
Only the degenerate shit got deleted, all the non-porn is safe for six months.

>>5776238
HI GRAF!

what's so bad about this brutality wad i keep hearing about?

>>5776373
>a UAC worker makes eye contact with Doomguy as he walks towards the nearest door onto Mars' surface
>the UAC worker stares in awe being in the presence of the Doomguy
>he thinks to himself, "My GOD. It's actually him. I shutter to imagine what goes on in his head. What lies beyond that helmet could only be true chaos, rage, and unrelenting hatred for all things that cross his path!"
>camera cuts to shot of Doomguy's face, zooms into his eyes
>cuts to black
>this plays alongside memories of Doomguy absolutely devastating demon after demon, caking his entire body in blood, guts and various other bodily fluids/materials

>>5776462

can we get in contact with the daggerfall dudes?

>>5776427
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD HE SAID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>5776481
Wow where did these come from? They're really hi-res

>>5776483
my bad i was going to link >>5776232 i can smell the salty butthurt from here.

>>5776481
i wish someone could do the same with the hexen-heretic stuff from Dooomsday, the 3d models are neat

>>5776486
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1612&sid=868362d9907770019bcdcc73d9cb1ae8

DF workshop was released today.

what did you guys think of duke nukem 3d megaton edition? the one they sold on steam that was taken off when world tour was released, it came with all expansions. played through it again and for whatever reason it actually fucking crashed a few times. i also don't like the menus for some reason though that's a personal problem.
also what's the best way to play blood as of now?

>>5776532
BloodGDX, or BuildGDX’s latest builds, since they include BloodGDX now.

>>5776532
>what did you guys think of duke nukem 3d megaton edition?
Didn't like the mouse controls so I refunded it and stuck with eduke.

Fuck the giant OP list. What are some /vr/ approved WADs, especially for complex doom?

How are the maps coming, boys?

I want to buy Quake on GOG but I've been reading reviews mentioning the game doesn't have NIN's music. Is that true? If so is there a fix?

>>5775260

After the Fall - DBP14 RC1 released

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107872-dbp14-after-the-fall/

>>5776123
Wow! That's a lot of >(((women)))

>>5776596

The music was CD audio

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=119489135

>>5775801
I haven't watched the vid, watching now, but my impression from the gameplay demo was not good.

It looks really, really bad.

Is Fresh Supply on steam the best way to play this? What is if not?

>still no mod outside of a long-outdated samsara addon to use ROTT weapons in Doom against vanilla or monster sets
gosh diddly darnit. I lost my old attempt at figuring how to get that stuff ported over from Return of the Triad, and it was a poor attempt to begin with

burp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTu5jGPzATY

>>5776623

Yep. It's got a couple minor inaccuracies still but unless you know what to look for/go out of your way it's never an issue. I'd recommend picking it up on gog rather than steam.

>>5776623
No fucking way

>>5776638
elaborate

>>5776645
Play 5 minutes on DOS.
Play 5 minutes with Fresh Supply.
See for yourself.

>>5776646

Yeah, you can actually use the mouse in Fresh Supply unlike DOS. It's one thing to recommend nblood or something but DOS? come the fuck on.

>>5776623
BloodGDX.

>>5776646
>DOS
no thanks

>>5776651
>java
no thanks

>>5776650
What the fuck, man? Set your shit up correctly.

>>5776658
>Shell out money for remake instead of getting more faithful to the original for free
>'das it mane'

>>5775801
I've watched it and his follow up vid. He is provably wrong and also quite retarded. That or he either is simply pretending and is milking this "controversy" for comments/views. His MAIN complaint is that supposedly Hugo said that you can ONLY kill the bigger classes of demons with a glory kill, as in when they glow, you literally cannot kill them unless you glory kill them, which is obviously not fucking true. Anyone who has watched more than 10 min of footage should know it works the same as it did in 2016. During the demonstration Hugo showed off how you can launch a grenade into a cacodemons mouth to stun it and open it up for a glory kill. This plays a humorous animation of the cacodemons swallowing the grenade and it exploding inside him. After glory killing the cacodemon, Hugo says, "This isn't just for show, its tuned so you have to do this." which is obviously referring to launching grendades into cacodemons and shit like that. As in the game is tuned so you have to take advantage of monsters unique weaknesses. The retarded youtube faggot took that to mean literally the only way you can kill cacodemons is to glory kill them. As if they turn invincible when they start glowing for a glory kill and nothing will effect them besides a glory kill animation.

>>5776615
What looks bad about it?

>>5776716
Suck Bethesda’s cock more, faggot.

>>5776708
I was going to pirate it actually but now I think I'll buy it just to spite you

>>5776732
Yes. Prove to me that you're retarded, that'll show me.

Don't actually do it, jokes aside.

>>5776725
I hate Bethesda, but I like modern id.
>suck id's cock more, faggot.
Would be more accurate. And I will continue to do so.

>>5776615
It's by and large the same game as 2016, just with some added gameplay mechanics that aren't even forced on you, and some more color punched in beyond lots and lots of orange and some red. It's also chunks of one single level.

>>5776623
Nblood.

>>5776739
id is empty shell, and Bethesda is just puppeting its corpse around like Weekend at Bernie’s.

>>5776746
You're place-grip-on-revolver-hammer retarded but got me to laugh, so I'll give you points for that.

>>5776746
Go to bed ya fucking boomer

>>5776589
Bump for this ya retards!

slow night, huh friend

>>5776197
Low IQ

>>5776245
Must is pure logic, Hexen is like a puzzle box, but your inside it.
Honestly think Hexen would be a more interesting game if the puzzles were more myst-lite.

nobody:
literally nobody:
not a single soul:
/vr/ boomers: DOOM ETERNAL BAD ORIGINAL DOOM WAS BETTER

Dumb frogposter

>>5776768
man boomers aren't very good at false flagging

>>5776368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX01cdTFQUw
Doot

>>5776368
Daisy Bell.

>>5776803
That works. Give it an evil spin at the middle end you've got a good THE END track. Ayy!

>>5776371
the madman gave it color
bless you

>>5776768
nobody:
literally nobody:
not a single soul:
you: that fucking abomination of a post

Do we have many texture artists here?

What's the public opinion on Doom Retro?

What are some /vr/ approved FPS games with cool movement systems and level progression?

>>5776884
i dont even know what that is

>>5776623
It's fine, None of these retards can point out what's wrong with it, they just hate it because of some fucked up autistic ocd they have

>>5776028
get megaton edition if you can instead

>>5776014
It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn cool and ambitious.
Good voice acting, decent story and writing, some VERY nice hand drawn sprites and textures (if you go through some of them frame by frame, they're impressively consistent and clean, no color bleeding or crude hacks, the latter which you can spot in some of Doom's sprites), along with some ok pre-rendered 3D ones making up mechanical enemies and your weapons, speaking of which the arsenal is pretty interesting. Your bread and butter for a lot of the game will be an assault rifle and a mini rocket launcher, the rockets aren't too strong, but you get lots of them and can fire them fast.
Has some decent humor too, and you can tell the devs were big nerds who loved Star-Trek. The world and setting is neat and interesting as hell.

If I'm going to criticize it for something, it's that some parts of the game are way too short, while others are way too long, there's also a sort of stealth system, but it's VERY halfbaked and is barely worth bothering with.
Don't trust Harris, by the way.

>>5776908
Check some here:

retropew.com

The list is still WIP, though.

>>5776371
Hell yeah more bun

>>5776028
It plays alright, but the audio could be better and you don't get the Sunstorm expansions.
The new episode has some really good levels, and some OK ones.
Drawback is that you would be giving money to Greasy Bastard

>>5776951
It gives the Sunstorm expansions, but I'm actually playing it now, and it's kinda just not as good, the controls feel a bit off, the renderer is a bit weird, it's a bit buggy and janky.
You may as well just pirate the games and all the episodes and play them in EDuke32.

>>5776028
It's better than Megaton. Most of the main issues with WT everyone complain about got fixed 1 week after release, as far as the PC version is concerned.

WT has true widescreen, Megaton doesn't.
WT has classic render, Megaton doesn't
Megaton is glitchy as fuck, old glitches are easier to happen and it also has new glitches. There is a reason why speedrunners use that version. WT is fine in that regard.
Megaton has all 3 add-ons, WT has a new episode.

>>5776060
What?

>>5776993
>giving money to bitchford
There’s always the option to pirate it.

>>5777000
Hello Randy.

>>5776909
It's a Boom-compatible fork of Chocolate Doom.
I'm wondering if it's worth using over prboom+ to play wads that require Boom-compatibility or better than Crispy Doom for vanilla stuff.
So far my experience with it so far has been a mixed bag so In wanted to check out if anyone here has an opinion on it.

>>5776957
>Don't trust Harris, by the way.
The re-released version doesn't have that issue anymore.

>>5776858
do you have mone

>>5776924
>None of these retards can point out what's wrong with it
Google exists, genius.

>>5777041
I have a stash of memes from 2005, also do you do Doom textures?

In 1993, could you set up Doom with WASD+mouse controls with high sensitivity and autorun?

>>5777050

>>5777050
Not really but never tried.
Anyway I'm not working for free, I'm dirt poor and already doing something.

Why exactly is Brutal Doom hated?
I love the guns and effects it adds.

>>5776018
>>5776050
Are the guns actually bad? They don't seem any worse to me than the other games' weapons. The rocket launcher is weak because it's meant to be used more as an AoE minigun rather than a tactical thing. The assault rifle is always precise if you fire in bursts, even without accuracy training. The grenade launcher is good but clumsy as fuck. The mauler is awesome. The flamethrower does suck ass, and the crossbow, while satisfying, is also shit.

Alright I've playing Daggerfall Unity and it got me wondering if there's a good Doom version of Daggerfall?

"Baaaw the creator said bad words!"
The real answer is that the way the mod execute it's effects aren't optimized code/performance wise and the mods' balance is pretty shitty with questionable art and mechanics added.
Project Brutality is just better. (but still inherit some of BD's bad stuff)

>>5775801
dude is autism, he needs to get a fucken life instead of crying about gamepads vs keyboards

>>5777017
You could do that, of course.

>>5777056
I don't think the original .exe had autorun

>>5777169
Autorun was possible through a glitch, setting the run key to a key that didn't exist in the config file would make the game think it was always pressed down

Got Chocolate Doom working on Vita.
Quake
hexen 2
Doom 1/2/Heretic/Hexen1/STRIFE (wow so nice).
Duke Nukem 3D Megaton edition
wow
Nostalgia is kicking in. I'm recalling lots of these maps again, in bits and pieces.
Playing these retro FPS on Vita, while reclining on my couch is so comfy and nice.
Much better than sitting on a chair like a SUCKER, in front of a monitor, while getting carpal tunnel from tossing around a pcfag gaming mouse.

>>5777115
I think they're decent.

Why does the music in Doom sound different in Crispy Doom/DOSbox compared to GZDoom?

>>5777185
I tihnk GZDoom uses Fluidsynth MIDI driver as a default, while DOSbox and Cripsy uses your default MIDI device

>>5777195
Ah I see
I'm not sure what my default midi device is and how it compares to DOS, so which one is more accurate to how it would probably be in 1993?

>>5777126
Wrath of Chronos for Hexen uses Daggerfall Bow models

>>5777195
Someone at /vg/tesg posted SC-88 soundfont for Download to use on Daggerfall unity

>>5777195
GZDoom changed some MIDI backend stuff when it was aiming to be GPL compliant.

Suppose I want to have a night of HUH HUH HUH Quake 3 Arena multiplayer with some friends.

What's the best source port to easily achieve that with them? Ideally with as little setup as possible to make it accessible.

>>5777228
ioquake 3

>>5777228
ioquake 3 or Spearmint.

Can you emulate the SC-55 on Crispy Doom?

>>5775625
E5M9 midi is already legendary.

>>5777253
Isn't that what this is about?
https://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Digital_music_packs
Works about the same for Crispy Doom.

>>5777253
Virtualmidisynth

>>5776415
you never know, anon
they said loli was the main reason yet didn't have the time to clear that
e hentai is getting fucked in like 6 months and as far as i know, loli is banned there
it's the logic of censorship: give them an inch, they'll go for a mile instead

If anyone is interested
>https://archive.org/details/SC55EmperorGrieferus
SC-55 Soundfont

Cant be arsed to fish for a copy of vanilla Doom 3, how do I decrapify my steam copy of BFG Edition?

Sigil is literally perfect what the fuck is wrong with you faggots? You told me it sucked. God this place is a dump.

>>5777454
What are you talking about?
I've seen many anons here saying it's good,really good.
It has its issues but far from being crap.

Gmanlives said it was shit

>>5777454
Who told you it sucked? Most people here liked it, some liked it a lot, some only felt it was decent, but only like one or two guys here outright hated it, and everyone here called them fags for it.

It's as if Romero made Thy Flesh Consumed on his own, hell of a ballbuster and a delight to play.

>>5777467
Oh yeah, people here laughed at him for being bad at videogames too.

>>5777454
Fuck off.

we regret to inform you the new port is bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYTomYMAzYE

Is idgames really the best thing we have for sharing WADs? Why are the WADs split into alphabetical categories?

>>5777454
Hey John, how's it going?

>Doom TV Show
>It's a comedy with the setting of Monster Inc.

>>5777486
>Most people here liked it, some liked it a lot,
Most seemed to consider it to be average / somewhat above average as far as single episode wads go, which isn't hating it but it isn't the mapping revolution that the hype train was so certain it would be.

>>5777502
Old news,we all know that they're terrible.
Not even worth 5 bucks

>>5777486
Too bad because I like Gman style.
But then when you have reviews like the Fallout 76 one,Sigil and Blood Fresh Supply seriously makes me question what the hell is wrong with him,
Then again in his Hdoom review he compared people who are turned on by it to psychopaths

I seriously don't know how he could fuck up that review so bad. I know that GZDoom is a mess but it's not impossible to set properly especially for someone who loves Doom,like he claims to be.

>>5777528
I've actually seen people loving it,I think people like Gman hyped it up as something groundbreaking while in reality it supposed to be a sequel to Thy Flesh Consumed and not something like Ancient Aliens or other megawads like many expected.

>>5777528
It was exactly what I expected it to be; a pretty good episode, nothing earth shattering, but well above average.

>>5777528
>it isn't the mapping revolution that the hype train was so certain it would be.
They have nobody to blame but themselves for expecting so much. Romero had been saying he wasn't confident in his mapping compared to the community's since he made E1M8b. Anyone that expected Sigil to be anything bigger than a new episode of Romero-style hard maps (like E4M2, E4M6, Map26, and Map29) is an idiot.

If they made a remake/reboot of Blood pr even a sequel like Blood 3,how it should be?
It might never happen but one can dream.

>>5777542
A fair few seemed to sabotage themselves even harder by expecting the maps to play like E1.

>>5777553
It shouldn't happen, Monolith wouldn't be the ones making it, and Nightdive would want to try after they've got done fucking up System Shock.

>>5777560
>Fucking up System Shock
They've restarted everything after the negative feedback and decided to make it closer to the original

>>5777564
No, they decided to make it closer to their "faithful" demo they released, the consolized one that gave the plot a lobotomy and was all show, no trousers.

This is why the game is still shaping up to be stupid, doing crap like removing the dart gun and adding in shotguns and grenade launchers. Also paying Chris Avellone to rewrite huge chunks of the plot, because everything crowd funded has to have him.

>>5775259
A couple of questions about GZDoom:

- Is it true that there is a major gameplay difference between Boom compatibility mode vs Boom (Strict), and Doom vs Doom (Strict)? I've been told that when you play without Strict compat, Berserk becomes too OP because allegedly you can stunlock enemies with punches that wouldn't have been originally stunlockable.
- When playing with Vanilla Essence, do you use 1:1 Low-Res pixels, or 5:6 ? The default seems to be 1:1, but the actual PC version seemed to have 5:6 ratio.
- What does the Dither Output option do?

>>5777540
>But then when you have reviews like the Fallout 76 one,Sigil and Blood Fresh Supply seriously makes me question what the hell is wrong with him
He's trying hard to appeal to the normies that want to be "cool" and feel special for liking oldschool things (unlike those other normies, ughh.../s)
Thus, he's not voicing his own opinions, since he barely has any, he just says what he thinks his audience would want to hear. But some times he does not read deep enough in the forums and fails to make his research, and that's when the mask slips, and you see another shallow e-celeb scrub underneath.

In essence he's an FPS-variant of AngryJoe, people come to watch his videos not for a proper review, but to have their opinions validated by an e-famous guy.

I find it funny that the original HECU marines were so goofy looking that Opposing Force updated their models before the HD pack did.

>>5777610

>>5777558
Those people are just E1 babbies, they think all of Doom should be like KDITD and hate everything that isn't KDITD.

>>5777573
Its a remake, overall. Plus, parts of the plot will of course be different. IT IS NOT 1994 System Shock! Who knows, maybe the dart gun is in another area? Also, I don't mind the part about adding in the shotgun.

>>5777593
another problem with his videos is the sense of humor and forced "recurring gags", like he's trying to pretend to be something besides "aussie who talks about fps's"

I'm still on version 2.1.1 of GZDoom, I downloaded it in like 2016, is their any specific reason to update

>>5777672
any recent mod that interests you in any way?
people like hideous destructor and metadoom but you'd also miss on doomrla and demonsteele

>>5777672
My ZDL installation's also a bit crusty but I doubt there's any reason to update that

>>5777542
I think 3 or 4 maps were awesome, the rest was meh. I hated those cracks on the floor Romero like to put everywhere.

>>5777236
Not him but for some reason, none of the Internet servers show up when using Spearmint. To me at least.

>>5777696
Spearmint I don't think is compatible with normal Q3 servers, not sure why he suggested it, just stick to ioquake

>>5777672
If you want to play old purely Decorate mods and maps - it's fine.
But if you want modern maps/mods/TCs that have ZScript, you'll have to update.

The Android version has better movement and is smoother than the GZ port and the Gles port but the aim is fucking shit. Not to mention it will randomly smear left randomly when I'm shooting at a demon. Do the Android controller things work with it does anyone know?

>>5777564
>>5777573
>>5777667
Prey'16 is closest to System Shock you gonna get in modern times.
Despite most people giving it crap for being unrelated to another cancelled Prey 2, it is a great game.

>>5777715
The Prey reboot is genuinely fantastic, nobody ever talks about it either, but it's one of the best things Bethesda has published in recent years.

>Playing Duke3D
>Death Row
>Don't know where to go
>Had to walk in the bikini posters in one of the prison cells
>I thought it was just there for decoration

This is some bullshit

did iron maiden ever had a creature/character that looked like the icon of sin?
did it came first?

>>5777729
Prey'16 is not a reboot. It has nothing to do with Prey'06, and was going to have a different name.

There was going to be Prey 2 it was hyped up and was very anticipated, looking similar to what Cyberpunk 2077 is going to offer even before that one appeared on the radar. Sadly the project went overambitious, features were started to cutdown, and it all spiraled into development hell, and was quietly shut down and disposed of.
When Arkane was developing their yet unnamed project, they were offered the name of Prey by Bethesda, since it was kinda fitting the theme and Beth had IP lying around. It was known since the game's reveal, but nobody made any accent on it,

so general public got confused and Prey'06 fans began to think that Bethesda killed Prey 2 that was advertised, to transform it into Prey'16 that got released. They began hating on the game for killing the sequel they wanted to see, even if that wasn't what happened at all, and "their" game was dead regardless of Prey'16 release.

How do I get brutal doom 3.0 to run better? Chugs badly at times and loading it with gzdoom takes a long time.

>>5777750
You know what I meant.

>>5777750
I saw many despised it but over time they started to appreciate it more,to the point of saying it was awesome despite having nothing to do with Prey.
I've even heard that the DLC was really good too. Is it true?

>>5776908
Powerslave sounds like exactly what you want. You collect relics that give you new movement abilities like levitation, and have to use them to find new paths in previous levels.
This is the console and EX versions only, the DOS Powerslave is a whole different game using the same art and name.

>>5777126
There was a Daggerfall level in the most recent Vargskelethor Doom contest.

>>5775259
Reminder for the Frames Per Second elitists, pic related.
Also, this is what can happen in games that are pushed into framerate levels that were never intended by the developers and designers.
>aritfacting
>screen-tearing

>>5777553
Blood 2's concept of the Cabal as a futuristic corporate entity is actually not bad. The game is shit for other reasons. It could be great if they really hammed up the corporation-cult connection kind of like in Doom 2016 (but with the Cabal's unique flair).

>>5777761
If you really want more Prey, then you'll like it. But at the time it came out I already had my filling of Prey, having played it through 3 times with perk-less, full tech and full-Typhoon builds.
It has 4 or so new areas and you HAVE to through it all at least 3 times with each of the 5 character (you need at least 2 playthroughs to unlock all characters and all ways of escape, and then final play to make right characters escape the right way).
The randomization aspect is not as big as I was hoping to - there are hazard spots across the levels and it's quite easy to recognize what kind of hazard may appear at which spot, and they are relatively easy to avoid/circumvent so they have much less bearing on the playthrough than trailers may make you believe.
All in all you'll have to run through all 4 areas ~15 times on the OPTIMAL playthrough and at that point I was bored out of my fucking mind.

Does anybody have the screenshot of the 4chan post this is referencing? I can't find it after lazily searching for five minutes so I give up.

>>5777780
I've never understood why graphics whores are so obsessed with getting 1000fps on shit like this. Especially older games where the physics could be tied to the framerate and get fucked up.

>>5777741
Eddie has been around since the late 70's. He's been a zombie, an alien, a mummy, a spooky tree imp, a cyborg bounty hunter and roughly three billion other things. That is Beast Eddie, a combination of Eddie and The Beast (Satan) who's been around since 1981's Purgatory. The original version looked like pic related. They've since updated Beast Eddie for their latest tour.

>>5777804
I can understand a remaster like the Turok games which ran like crap on the N64 and their PC ports were poorly optimized. They're far more smooth
But Doom? Quake? Duke? I don't see the reason.
Aside from smooth them up,make everything more fluid,what's the point of playing it with 4K and 60FPS?

Don't get me started with those who want HD Textures which make the game uglier[/spoilers]

>>5777750
how exactly wasn't bethesda's fault again?
i remember hearing they messed up with the development after buying the rights of the game, just to scoop up the ip
meaning it was at that point when shit hit the fan
otherwise, nobody would "reboot" a series in the way it did

>>5777804
maybe they saw someone making a decent arguement about framerate and decided 60fps is good for everything, even if it's animation
the thing about opinions and "hot takes" is that no matter how good they can be, people will copy and spread it to the point it's meaningless and apply it to unfitting context
it's why a lot of critics suck

E2M6 Halls of the Damned is probably my favorite level, that crusher is kinda bullshit the first time though

>>5777829
I didn't say it isn't Bethesda's fault, it is.
But it is not Arkane Studios fault, and not the game's fault.
Prey 2 would've been cancelled even if Arkane weren't making their game.
Arkane would've still made that game, it would have just been called differently, even if Prey 2 actually came out.
However people were dissing Prey'16 as a reason Prey 2 was cancelled, while that's simply not true.

>>5777804
>a port of a game on modern system shouldn't run better than original game did back when it first came out

>>5777834
Thats one of my favorites as well. The fake exit is such a great moment.

>>5777853
Yeah now that's a good troll since you should know from context clues that it's not the real exit, but your curiosity gets the best of you anyway

wtf i thought he was called the zombie shotgunner
like i thought that was the official name, no idea where i learned it from

>>5777105
Developers hate it because normie kids spam them asking for BD compatibility patches and get angry if being ignored, like if bd is the official thing they payed for, then the BD guy, sgt Mark, he copy and pastes a lot of good stuff from other mods and either does not gives credit or does it vagely, that's the biggest no-no in mod-devs circles. Then he has been banned from many doom related forums for being and asshole, like sending links with sui ide how-tos to a kid with suicide tendencies,he did more, you can google it.
Then there's the guys who like BD and want to mod it, only to find Sgt Mark's code being a messy piece of shit, then sgt Mark being agressive towards anyone making other brutal-like big mods like he owns doom.
The list is bigger, but re-telling this the 100th time is boring, better go google the whole drama. (that's why nobody was answering you, so lurk more)

>>5777340
I like this thing.
https://fatboy.site/

>>5777872
this or use archives like desu or warosu
4chan archives are a thing

besides demonsteele, any other mod that stars a tank enemy or at least one that looks like a necron destroyer?

What are good "tactical" weapon mods for Doom that feel snappy without being retarded? I have a habit of cranking damage up and turning shit into an arcadey kind of tactical shooter since Hideous Destructor destroys my anus too hard.

>>5777884
DRLA if you go for a build like that

>>5777872
sounds like faggot drama shit

>>5776057
Fuck off, Hexen is a masterpiece.

>>5777917
I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, though I sure as hell wouldn't call it trash either. Though I do think it's one of the best looking games on the Doom engine

>>5777735
>play with parental lock years ago
>there's only a hole there without the poster

>>5777859
according-to-manual names vs in-game-code names. In manual "zombies" are "posessed former humans" - no longer human and are turned into demons.

>>5777925
>parental lock
>hole

>>5777892
it's bugged to hell and back, breaks balance making every weapon a cookie cutter, makes tough enemies weak, and canon fodder enemies into glass cannons, prolonged death anims block bullets, and all sort of shit happens if a map uses Voodoo doll sequences for scripting to the point of making a map uncompletable, or autocompleting it at random.
All that shit was supposed to be fixed like 6 years ago when mod was already pretty much complete, but mark would rather spend time sucking patreondicks and making map "beautification" scripts than fixing his own spaghetti.
Despite that newfags recommend it left and right, because they don't know other mods exist, and according to them BD is best thing since bacon.

>>5777884
Have you tried the Homely difficulty setting in HD? It cuts enemy damage output to 30% and disables the wounding mechanics while giving you UV spawns.

>>5777735
They just want you to watch The Shawshank Redemption.

Oh god Oh fuck

>>5776590
I have a desire to start learning to do Doom 2 maps. I'm very infatuated with maps with comfy sector art and good aesthetic architecture and I feel like there should be more of that good shit. Bathrooms are incredibly comfy.

One trend I have noticed is that the Men's rooms frequently house sergeants/chaingunners while the Women's bathrooms house Imps or Pinkies

>>5777139
>Project Brutality
It does seem cool but I don't like the more cartoony art for the guns.
The guns of Brutal Doom are its biggest selling points for me.

>>5777802
There you go, you owe me a cell pack.

>>5777992
They're currently reworking all the weapons right now so maybe you'll like the final version of PB3

Subway bathrooms are a dangerous place.

>>5777996
You're not a cell pack.

>>5778035
That's interesting, do you know if they're making them more "gritty" and realistic looking like Brutal Doom?

>>5777996
Why does that Archvile have horns?

Just me here, shilling my doom inspired midi album

https://dialupformurder.bandcamp.com/album/midi-dreams

New album out in a few weeks

>>5778052
Why does anything ever happen?

Quake sucks whens the mapping project for Doom start?

>>5778046
No idea but I doubt they would remove more details
I know the chainsaw changed and it looks more gritty for sure.

E3M1 fucking sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PA9NBzdpwQ

>>5778085
E3M7 is worse

>>5778103
Plot twist. Those are idle enemy sounds.

>>5778107
E3M5 is the worst.

>>5778116
If it weren't for Mt. Erebus I probably wouldn't even bother with E3 at all tbqh

>>5778103
> solid single linedef window
> hideous destructor
> gun
HMMMMM

just fucking mouse1 the guys

>>5778152
that's not all of them, as more kept trying to ambush me from the side; i was standing on a conveyor belt

Are there any wads with a sitting similar to I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream?

>>5778174
So you want AM to torment you for the rest of eternity?
Make a script that clears your inventory and sets your health to 1 every ten seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCb_OWNp6ss

Anyone got a full Doom smooshed wad?

With everything from sigil and NRFTL to Plutonia? Too lazy to do it myself.

>>5778216
No. Do it yourself.

Brothers, help me out. Somebody posted an instruction on how to make Thief Gold (or Thief 2, same difference) look closer to vanilla (no texture filtering, for example) in a previous retro fps general of all places and I can't find it. Does anybody remember any such posts? I've launched Thief with default TFix setting and it looks like absolute shit, all that texture filtering makes me want to never launch it again

>>5777802
>>5778040
>>5777996

>>5778251
Rule of thumb when it comes to texture options. Look for anything that says LINEAR and change it to NEAREST.
Console commands. Options menu. You can do it.

>>5777672
Unless you have a specific need for it, no, and even if you do update, it's best to keep the old one around since Graf things legacy support is for assholes.
>>5777679
ZDL's been basically finished and discontinued for ages.

>>5778254
I'm calling the police. This is a criminal offense.

>>5778103
Is this just hideous or is there anything more added?
Is HD worth it? Why it's so popular?

>>5778268
A million billion cosmetic tweak mods out there. Not that many gameplay ones.
It is worth it but you will surely tear your hair out until you get used to its brand of KICK YOUR ASS action.

>>5778275
Can you post your zdl mod list? I'm interested

>>5778268
Zscript has it's upsides but newer GZDoom versions have been piled on with more and more idiotic decisions and shit removed without a fuck to the stuff that it breaks.

>>5778280
Why? Maps first, then HD.

>>5778282
I don't know why they changed the font in menus, now it looks like garbage.

Do you guys play with mouse free look?

WHERE IS THE COMPLETED VERSION OF H.U.H ORGANIZER
I'M GETTING IMPATIENT

>>5778296
Inb4 guy was just a troll

>>5778296
Didn't he say that he got some rando on func to make it for him? It might be a while.

>>5778291
Graf feeds on your tears.

>>5778291
Localization. I don't mind the new font, personally.

ZMovement updated again. Get ready for parkour shit.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65095

>>5778293
Only when using weapon mods or wads that require it

>>5778336
>parkour shit.
Fuck yeah. Now I only need a good slow-mo mod

>>5778293
its more fun, especially in heretic

>>5778324
What sucks is I think it breaks any mods and maps that use custom fonts

>>5778341
People have tried. Maybe one day.

>>5778346
They're still playable but the text tends to be... well, really fucked up. Huge fucking font size you can't do anything about and stuff like that. Pretty bad.
"JUST UPDATE THE MOD LOL"

Kinda wish someone would interview the GZDoom team.
Shed some light on issues and their way of thinking. Something like that.

>>5778347
>>5778341
Slowmo Bullettime doesn't do the job? Or do you want to also be slowed down with that sort of play?

>>5778336
>>5778341
It's not true parkour until it's going so fast it breaks the engine.

>>5778361
It's not BAD. I mean it does the job but it's kind of a hackjob. Best the engine can do, I assume. Choppy and kinda jank.

>>5778370
I mean, maybe some zscript could spruce it up a bit but who knows

>>5778370
Wait, never mind. Not at all as choppy as I remember it being. Guess that was solved. But yeah, having you get slowed down some would be good too.

>>5778375
You can get it to handle quite differently depending on how you set it up, but it's about as good as it'll get without some serious fuckery to the engine.

>>5778374
It already is zscript. The problem is that it just toggles the freeze command at intervals to achieve faux time scaling. AFAIK at least.

>>5778296
Hub is more or less done, courtesy of one of the quack wizards.
But I still need a replacement for my fugging charger.

I have to resort to phoneposting until Monday give or take, If I dont get a new one by then I will have to order one online.
>why didnt you order one from the beggining
No cash and right now Im visiting family in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

>>5778387
Make your family play HUH

>>5778391
The funny thing is that my sister is slowly gaining a small following as a streamer, at first I didnt want to tell her about my videos, but now she has 100+ subs on twitch and is actually getting donations.
I guess she got the last laugh without knowing
>the virgin youtuber vs the chad twitch sister

She played HL so Quake wouldnt be that big of a stretch

A hard lesson that Duke 3D style shit on maps designed for Doom will fuck you up with how unbalanced it is. This mod keeps coming back and forcing me to realize that again.

>>5777589
pls respond

>>5778454
I don't think that image wor- SHIT!

>>5778038
f yeah
Playing the best Doom clone

>>5777892
>sounds like faggot drama shit
Yes, truly indeed. The biggest drama homosexual faggot being Sgt Mark himself and his cocksucking fanboys, they love starting and keeping flame-wars, while the rest just keep going ahead ignoring as much as possible the huge stink that BD leaves everywhere.
Then people mentioning BD unironically are mainly mod-noobs that doesn't know better, and haven't tried many of the gameplay mods out there.
OR they are just trolling by going into places and saying: "Brutal Doom is the best thing ever." GR8 B8 M8 8/8

>>5778625
>japanese letters at the top
???

>>5778293
Yes, I do. I don't have the patience to deal with looking only left and right and dealing with the autoaim. It fucks with my aim, so I just use freelook.

>>5778634
Go for PASS on battle rifles. Mmmm.

>>5778309
This.
Somebody please start a new modern source port fork, and let the the chicken rot alone.

>>5777892
Welcome to the Doom community, these days the drama is kept alive by anti-fans of it.

>>5778634
>Battle Rifle
Sweet.
Do it has aim down sights?

>>5778648
Eternity is getting there, slowly.

>>5778648
Please just this. At this point just burn it all and start from scratch.

>>5778652
>doesn't know what DRLA is

The thing with Brutal Doom that you all need to accept is, that it will not stop being this popular, not this year, nor the next one, nor prolly even after that.
Because it's popular, and popularity makes it more popular.
Many great doom mod ideas have faded into obscurity and became lost-media despite being great, they just were ignored or not publicized enough, or they just lacked luck as projects.
Ya'll need to acceptl its brutal popularity.

>>5778664
Thanks implying faggot?

>>5776716
It's rare when someone takes the words out of my mouth, but you did it.

>>5778676
Whatever. Play DRLA.

>>5778669
I wouldn't even be *aware* of brutal doom anymore if it weren't for people like you
so stop bringing it up

>>5778648
>>5778659
Yes.
But the port needs to be done from the legacy branch tho, 3.8.x.
4.x is the most offending at breaking things.

>>5776197
I almost like Petersons maps the most. They force you to explore to find all the stuff, and I like that. I like the feeling of finding the secrets and remembering the layouts.

The problem I have with a lot of user maps for Doom is that they tend to be too straightforward to make them memorable.

When you have a complex level that forces you to think more, it sticks in your mind. The main problem with this is the inevitable tedium, which is most people's actual problem with Peterson maps.

TLDR: I like what other people think is tedious when it comes to Doom maps, so Peterson is my favorite of the original Doom development team.

Also he shares my opinion that demons are evil, instead of Romero's bullshit regarding satanism and his general tolerance for evil.

>>5778425
If I had to guess the main problem is that a lot of the standard humanoid enemies with firearms/laserguns in Duke 3D don't drop ammunition for them which in turn leads to a lack of munitions for your standard (pistol, shotgun, machine/chaingun, etc) firearms. Would that be correct, or is there some other issue instead or in addition to a lack of bullets to shoot at the bad guys?

>>5778689
I don't see how anyone could see the demons as anything but evil. The whole point of the game is killing them because they also want you dead.

>>5778669
Semi-bait aside, the funny thing is that this is a way towards what people who get mad about this want.

Accepting that BD is where it is, and won't likely change, means people can stop wasting energy being mad about it's continued existence, even some of the mod dev channels on IRC and Discord burn way too much time being angry about it instead of working on their own mods.

Of course that might also lead to the painful thought for them that BD does have a positive effect of there being more people being in the community, some of them going on to make their own mods that are nothing like BD.

>>5778691
I think that's part of the reason I could never get into any of the Build games. Enemies don't consistently drop what they're supposed to, which can lead to ammo droughts early on.

>>5778669
>accept that which you do not like
>need

I don't like you.

>>5778698
>fighting high-difficulty cultists with a pitchfork
Oh man. It hurts.

>>5778682
This could be useful, I hope you'll be able to cope.
https://youtu.be/GRH-sHUDVh8

>>5778669
Literally nobody has implied that its not popular.

>>5778669
>Ya'll need to accept its BRUTAL popularity.
bazinga

>>5778698
It's not so bad in Duke 3D because the devs had the good sense to put plenty of ammo pickups in their maps typically. I haven't tried Shadow Warrior yet, but from what I've played of Blood, holy fuck is that game difficult. I simply cannot wrap my idiot brain around a classic FPS that has you throwing dynamite as your primary weapon against hitscanners that can shoot you within milliseconds of seeing you.

>>5778719
Shadow Warrior you never really run out, also helped by having some very solid melee options.

>>5778669
Me personally? I don't mind Brutal Doom as such. I just find this multi-year flamewar surrounding fucking absurd at this point.

>>5778694
The best argument for Brutal Doom existing is that it inspired the Project Brutality mod, and this is also the best argument against using Brutal Doom, because PB does what BD does better.

Any and all concerns about the mod creator being an asshole are utterly irrelevant on 4chan of all places because we are all assholes here until proven otherwise.

>>5778719
Jumping around like a bouncy ball can help you get out of trouble in Blood. Still, it's rough.

Now we wait for Taimanin Asagi DooM.

>people who are against dramafags are actually bad!
>we're totally gonna fork GZDoom guize because we totally are programming experts, just wait!
>MUH BR00DAL D00M I CAN'T HAVE A SINGLE THREAD WITHOUT BRINGING UP SKUB MATERIAL OOGA BOOGA EEK

these threads are beyond saving

>>5778724
I can never get the hang of doing that while targeting and shooting enemies, does leaving autoaim on help? I already know about the "crouch to reduce the accuracy of hitscanners" technique.

>>5778725
H-Doom already exists, I believe.

Daily reminder than Graf Zahl's source port developing decisions and his yes men bootlickers kills good mods.
>Former notes from Kyle873: Due to circumstances involving development hell in terms of both (G)ZDoom as a source port and the community as well as other factors, I (Kyle873) and Kate (Pink Silver) will no longer be actively developing Doom RPG. It was a good run and I had an absolute blast working on it, but It's time for both of us to move on to doing other things and working on other projects.

>>5778730
>people who are against dramafags are actually bad!
I agree that people who are in favor of stirring up drama are retarded.

>we're totally gonna fork GZDoom guize because we totally are programming experts, just wait!
Don'[t we have some programmerfags on here? I wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea if I were you.

>MUH BR00DAL D00M I CAN'T HAVE A SINGLE THREAD WITHOUT BRINGING UP SKUB MATERIAL OOGA BOOGA EEK
This is definitely going to make people stop posting about it, yep.

>>5778730
>Zthese threads are beyond saving
What a coincidence!
Neither BD nor GZD are too!

>>5778739
>>5778745


So why haven't you forked already? There's literally nothing stopping you.

Other than the urge of the subhuman dramafag to whine and complain rather than actually contribute.

>>5778739
>>Doom RPG is dead now because of this faggot
Fucking sucks, but couldn't the modders in question switch over to Zandronum?

>>5778734
Autoaim is a must, I'd say.

>>5778721
>I just find this multi-year flamewar surrounding fucking absurd at this point.
It's bizarre that a dude who is that far removed from most of community, gets to be kept fresh in everybody's minds that way.
>The best argument for Brutal Doom existing is that it inspired the Project Brutality mod
PB always seemed like a mod compilation to me, they took a load of stuff and mushed it into BD with a few edits here and there to keep it from breaking too much, not too unlike LowpolyDoom.

I'd say more original work went into Heretical Doom, which based on Brutal Heretic.

>>5778750
Thanks for the information.

>>5778748
Easier than that would be to pick a build of GZDoom and say this is the intended one for the mod.

>>5778747
Hey there Graf, welcome, I didn't knew your skin was this thin, sorry!
At least bad publicity is still publicity.

>>5777049
Then google it for me faggot if it's so bad

Anyone have the shrinking Caleb gif?

>>5778756
>>It's bizarre that a dude who is that far removed from most of community, gets to be kept fresh in everybody's minds that way.
True, but then again, this is the internet and we all like to bitch about things on here.

>>PB always seemed like a mod compilation to me, they took a load of stuff and mushed it into BD with a few edits here and there to keep it from breaking too much, not too unlike LowpolyDoom.
All I know is that the end result is that PB just plays works better for me in terms of gameplay and scratches the same itch that BD does, only moreso.

>>I'd say more original work went into Heretical Doom, which based on Brutal Heretic.
Never heard of it, will have to try it out later.

>>5778764
>He disagrees with me, therefore he's the guy I hate!

Fantastic arguing skills. Fucks like you totally shouldn't be dragged out onto the street and shot like the fucking subhuman scum you are.

>>5778763
And that would attract the ire and harassment of Graf and his minions, we should act, say and do as the glorious leader tell us, that is to use the latest version and to develop to the latest version.

>>5778770
It's supposed to be a dumb joke, though Graf's buttbuddies trawl through here and one tripfags here so who knows, it may be true.
>>5778778
Graf's ego issues can just deal with it, there's probably still some deep resentment over the versions and engines DRLA is intended for.

>>5778770
LOL that image and your angry post.
I sincerely really hope you'll get over feeling that much invested into arguing, mein fren.
As if your post will change either the perception people out of the GZDoom cabal has of Graf, and the fact that it's an increasing feature creep mess. The typical linux script kiddie come back of "shut up and do your own fork" doesn't saves neither GZD nor Graf of being criticized rightfully.
Hope you'll get to cope.

Well we used to talk about Doom in these threads

>>5778789

doom? what's that?

>>5778789
Sorry, /v/ colonized these threads entirely. There's no saving it now.

>>5778789
>>5778790
Is a beta version of Brutal Doom running on GZDOOM!!
Lel these faggot noobs summer children.

>>5778789
DRLA is good, but don't peak under the hood, Yholl is an absolute madman.

>>5778794
I know right, who are these ID software guys?
Are they like the previous Graf and Sgt Mark IV ?

>>5778770
Dude, 20+ year old computer games and their source ports aren't worth this much anger.

>>5778778
Does this actually typically happen or is it something that has been exaggerated to hell and back?

>tfw guncaster's BFG has a blue tiberium nuke alt fire that can kill entire maps of sunder, literal thousands of enemies all go down with one click of the mouse and 2 full minutes of lag

>>5778810
Dude, I love that kind of lag.