/vr/ - Retro Games

I thought it was the best GTA game until I got the hang of 3D games. Now I can't really enjoy it.

>>5757810
Its still the only GTA game I have actually played all the way through and beaten.

>>5757810
over 2 they are other games and shouldn't be named GTA

NO DONATION, NO SALVATION

>>5757810
Haven't touched V, but IV was suchh a boring ass game.

I still play it every now and then, best GTA indeed.

I miss the late 90s futuristic vision. GTA2 feels like a time capsule in this aspect.

>>5757814
gta1 and 2 are a 3d environment btw.

>good shot kid, I think you got him.
I remember playing the GTA 1 demo over and over when I was a kid. Kids these days don't understand the fun of demos.

the only bad bit was the rehash of missions in the third zone, being reused from zone 2 but yes, kino game

>better than IV and V
That's a low bar

i remember zone one being the best out of all of them
some bullshit unpolished mission design
and clunky controls
the gameplay, graphics, artstyle, and setting were all really neat though. its rare to see a credible dystopia in a videogame.

>>5757985
>we got a 10-31 in east tabernacle

>>5759562
>clunky controls

RAKI TAKI TERIYAKI. TERIYAKI MAKE ME HONRY.

TERI IS SO MERRY
TERI IS SO GAY
TERI IS LIKE TOFUNGAI
TERIYAKI

>>5757965
V is better than IV

Fuck, I need to play GTA 2. Somehow never done so.

>>5757810
I never really understood how people could enjoy the old GTA games even when they were new. Way too hard to play due to the shitty tank controls and top down perspective that was outdated even for the time they were released.

I have however played most of the 3d GTA games and enjoyed them. Should I revisit the old ones with an open mind? Maybe I just need to get used to the awkwardness?

>>5757965
I thought it was good. Not as good as 3, VC, or SA, but I enjoyed it.

>>5760359
Silence fool. There's no "awkwardness", there's no "outdated"ness. Nobody cares if you play them or not but they're good games and yes you have been retarded to to think otherwise, even in the post you're asking that question in.

>>5760359
Nah, they're really horrible with the controls. If someone modded them to control like Hotline Miami it would be much better

>>5760359
For me it's because the mission structure isn't as severely railroaded as later games got. Fuck by V you can't even move two feet to the left if they tell you to move to the right without a mission failure.

>>5758402
Yeah, like many cyberpunk games and media, it's dated. But still fun nonetheless

>>5759858
FUNAMI
FM
FASSER THAN SOUND

God, GTA2 had such ace radio. The music commissioned for this game were of very high quality.

https://youtu.be/QaolgDmK_Xs

https://youtu.be/qbIFx1u8jzc

>>5760446
Rockstar Radio had the best dialogs
>So here I am on the subway the other day, and I missed the subway you know sometimes the subway is like the United Nations there's so many people in there from so many places it's so great RIGHT? YOU GET TO MEET ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE so I go over to this one guy and...
>Yu aint no waycisht
>You don't even now me, I am the worst racist there is, I think your disgusting, and I think every person every race is disgusting and I think your moth...
>Dun joke 'bout ma momma
>I don't have to talk about her, I don't even have to talk her, ALL, I HAVE, IS TO, DO, HEEEEER

>Sam, Samuel I wanna know when you gonna get a reaaal jooob, I wanna know when you get outta that stuuuudio with those idiiiiots you work with
>HOLD ON MA, don't call these people idiots, these people are not idiots, they are jackasses and morons but I don't work with idiots.

>OKAY!! we're going on next..ahuhmm. my ma, put my mom on hold right now..but now. ughh we have a person here..from the...the spiritual country!!!
>Mister, excuse me my friend and sorry, Mister Samuel, Mister Rockstar, I want to tell you, like, know. The reason people are feeling... Children are running around hurting, stealing, the reason these things are happening, it's only because they are very very much too involved with masturbation...
>You sound like my motha that's what she said
>I'm talking about spiritual masturbation. When you put your hand on the penis of your soul... And you stroke that penis of your soul, until nothing comes out, but jizz...
>I don't know what you're talkin about sir but you sound just like Ghandi I love it

>>5760446
I was genuinely impressed when I learned that Funami FM featured an actual Japanese teenage girl as the voice of Teriyaki-chan.

>>5757810
smoking guns
hot to the touch
would cool down
if we didnt use them so much yeah

>>5757810
5 was great because of Trevor, who is literally the first GTA protag to feel like a fish in water when you take into consideration how fucked up and over the top the USA of the GTA verse is. Honestly, while the game itself is great, Trevor make it amazing. Nothing beat starting as Trevor drunk and in undies swearing at seagulls, and for it to feel entirely natural and on character.

>>5760539
Why would you be impressed by that? There are a lot of Japanese teenagers.

>>5757810
I think GTA1 is better than GTA2

>>5760649
There are not many Japanese teenagers in Scotland. DMA and Rockstar were passionate enough about the game to hire an authentic voice actor from a foreign country to voice a minor joke character. A generic dev would just get some manager to record some lines with a funny accent.

>>5757810
Same here, I always fall back to this gem

>>5760685
I really like GTA1, it has a vide to it (especially the empty GB version) but GTA2 is cooler IMO

>>5760539
She's a voice actress tho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiko_Yoshida

>>5757810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeUuvVsYsBM

Thread theme.

>>5757810
I like that you can rapid fire burp & fart

>>5760446
GTA2 had a really good radio indeed, but so did GTA1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On1V-KdW0bU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OGOIALhPWg

>>5760685
not with that fucking machine gun it isn't

but yes i like how 90's it feels

>>5760906
everyone in this thread should go and listen to this entire album btw

The respect system was so good. I wish they would make a new top-down GTA and bring it back.

>>5760359
>3d GTA games and enjoyed them
you stupid fuck , 1 and 2 are 3d too, as was said before

>>5757810
Agree 100%. The map is perfect and the gangs are the best in the series. It honestly takes a minute to adjust to the controlls.

The menfolk found their women scary,
Cos they were so big and hairy,
They thought of dynamite to seal them in

>>5762969
I just want them to put them into the newer games as a game within a game.

>>5764175
i'd rather have someone reverse engineer them

>>5760359
Play APB on MAME (or at least watch some gameplay), then try the early GTA games. APB will give you an idea of similar ideas that were around previously. You might not like them, but even so, you should realize how impressive they were at the time. That kind of game just didn't exist. The part that blows my mind is that 3-4 and all side stories were damn good, IMO even superior to their top down early counterparts. I'd say they are worth putting 5 hours in to see if you like them.

In case it's not been posted, this is the way to play them today: https://gtaforums.com/topic/860039-grand-theft-auto-max-pack-a-complete-pack-ala-gog/

>>5757965
V is fucking shit. It's everything that's wrong with modern gaming. I won't post here since it's off topic but look up some youtube videos about IV vs. V's physics and various gameplay. It's unreal how badly they fucked up V, textbook case of unreal engine syndrome. Also the online part fucking ruined the series. No hope of interesting and fully fleshed out DLC because muh online and muh microtransactions. When V makes you yearn for paid DLC, you know they've fucked up badly.

My favorite /vr/ one was the 1969 London add on. I had it back in the day on Playstation and had a great time with it. PS and DC GTA's had some missing features, but there is something super comfy playing with a controller.

>>5761208
>SO BEAT ME BITE ME
>NOW WHIP ME FUCK ME
>COME ON AND HURT ME
how did they get away with this

>>5764272
5 is way better than 4 you retarded nigger, 4 was unfun simulation driving and 5 is arcadey goodness. 4 has shit physics YES they are realistic but that doesnt make the game fucking fun retard

>>5764458
I have triggered a zoomer. If you want arcade physics, 3 is the only one with arcade like physics. V is a fucking boat on wheels simulator. The cars don't feel like cars at all, but like you're on a hovercraft similar to how some of the worst N64 racers felt.

I won't argue that IV is shit too, it's a fucking dead world with no pedestrians and a shitty storyline. It captures the bleak feeling well, but it's like an empty world.

>>5764494
There are bad N64 racers ?

Not the guy but gta V
aint bad. Crying about car physics is like "7/10 too much water". Its a videogame.

>>5764458
GTA5 is "how do you do, fellow San Andreas fans: the game". Everything about it is so fake and dull but people give it a free pass because "it's not GTA4". The various activities are numerous but pointless, the pedestrians are obnoxious and do nothing but call the police, the police are just tryhard GET ON THE GROUND FUCKO larpers instead of having personality like in other games, and the overuse of scripted sequences and "dude epic summer blockbuster music LMAO" really leaves an awful taste. You can pretty much sum up the differences by comparing the music you'd hear on the old school rap stations in San Andreas and V; Radio Los Santos (San Andreas) had raw production values, controversial themes, and talked about the hardships of urban life, while West Coast Classics (V) is overproduced, radio-friendly music gloating about the "gangsta life" and all the rich people shit they finally get to do.

Reading through this thread is making me consider trying to play through the old ones again. Last time I even tried to play GTA2 was in 2004

>>5764047
>that one faggot that claims GTA1 and GTA2 are "3D" is at it again
stop being so aggressive with your fallacious factoid, you sperg

The game engine does a 3D effect on buildings but the gameplay is still 2D - you move over flat 2D surfaces with a character that's a 2D sprite and cars that are 2D sprites. Any elevation is only a visual overlap of another 2D level.

Things cannot interact if they're not on the same level (anything falling is clearly a level transition and not an angled interaction between multiple levels), hence the games are 2D. That's why the GTA1 and GTA2 are called the "2D" GTAs.

>>5760359
>Way too hard to play
git gud

>>5759594
Controls can sometimes be clunky.

>>5760685
That's some real fine cop killing, sir.

>>5760539
>eletronic funk/techno shit
>13 year old japanese girl shouting in my ear
They knew what I liked.

>>5760359
/v/ is just around the corner

>>5757814
1/2 are different than other games. they were arcade games set in open worldish levels and 3d games are generic shootan/racing game with no sense of urgency

>>5760359
They're not THAT awkward, aiming the pistol is balls (because you turn too little or too much) but it's easy enough to find machineguns in which case you can just fire off a salvo in an arc (maybe multiple in alternating arcs if needed) and you'll almost certainly kill the guy sooner or later, casualties be damned.

The cars drive alright, bikes are a nightmare.

>>5765371
>no sense of urgency
3, VC, and SA had you race against the clock numerous time, how is there no sense of urgency?

>>5765314
>electronic funk
>techno

>>5757810
I loved this game. Fuck I remember never getting to the 2nd level because I was just shit. How is the dreamcast port? I should pick this up again.

>>5757810
You can't really say it's "better" imo, the games are way too different. The first two are all about causing mayhem and you get money from destroying cars n shit. Money is your score instead of actual money. There is very little story to speak of.
The later ones are story-driven shooters. I personally like V better than 2, because the heists were a lot of fun and I enjoyed just cruising around the map.

>>5765481
It's all electronic wubwub instruments, be glad that I'll actually differentiate it from dubstep.

>>5757810
>desu I think GTA 2 is better than IV
No shit. GTA IV is a dogshit game. Only dickheads that were 12 when it came out (i.e. modern /v/ and you) think it's great because they were retards and couldn't get over how """realistic""" it was. In actual fact it was easily the shittiest GTA ever made. GTA5 was a return to form and a damn good game, but 4chan is not allowed to admit that because it's hugely successful and neckbeards have that constant craving to be special unique snowflakes. The correct ranking of the main GTA games is as follows (all PC versions):

1. GTA Vice City
2. GTA V
3. GTA = GTA2
5. GTA San Andreas
6. GTA3
>>>Power Gap<<<
7. GTAIV

God what a dogshit game GTAIV was. Slow clunky as shit gameplay, like half of the fucking campaign was a tutorial and the other half was still utterly boring and mediocre.

>>5765540

>>5765548
Gta4 being so fucking boring is probably why Saint's Row managed to eventually take off like it did.

>>5757810
>I think GTA 2 is better than IV, and V
ultimate contrarian-core here
gta 2 was, is, and will always be shit

>>5765548
>*forgets Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories exist.
Oh anon, how could you miss two of the good games of the series. Graphically they are very slightly downgraded since they were originally PSP games, but damn if they aren't fun as hell. If you want to visit the vice city and liberty city worlds again I highly recommend them.

>>5765064
I bet you also call gen x'ers boomers

Which would you all consider the best experience for this game?
The psx on a comfy crt, or the pc version
on a led with distorted resolutions and violent tearing

>>5757810
GTA 2 had a cut prog rock radio station called Ridiculous FM. It only had a single 20-minute-long song (in prog fashion) called YTZ by a fake band called Aori - and weirdly in 2005 it was uploaded to Spotify, Deezer, etc. for some reason.
There's more info about it and a YT link to it here - https://www.loudersound.com/features/this-song-was-banned-from-grand-theft-auto-2
I always found the radio stations in the GTA games really fascinating. The game files reference a lot of the cut tracks so we know they're supposed to be there. Probably the most fascinating discovery is that V had an early PS3 dev build leaked which used a track by a real band called White Pride as a placeholder*. Music from this band is blocked for purchase on Discogs because, as it surely won't surprise anyone to learn, this is an unironic white supremacist band - wonder why it didn't make the final game?
*https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Channel_X#cite_ref-6

>>5765639
Vice City Stories had, I think, the best radio stations in the entire series.

>>5766531
>2005
2015, even.

>>5766235
>look mom i edited a fan wiki

KIIIIIIIIILL FREEEENZYYY~!!!

>>5757810
Am I the only one who played Chinatown? It felt like an spiritual successor to GTA1 and 2.

>>5765474

I played the shit out of GTA1 and GTA2 when I was a kid, and I never really feel any problem with aiming the gun. And if compared with later 3d gta games, you don't need to open fire too much.

>>5757810
Gta 2 and vice city are better than bloated san andreas.

>>5768218
chinatown wars is seriously fucking underrated

no one should touch the mobile version though

>>5768140
Fuck off. This isn't Halo.

>>5769889

>>5768301
You didn't need to shoot all that much, true, and often you could just run a guy over, but maybe it was my keyboard or something, I just rarely could squeeze off a good shot with the pistol, and it'd be really stressful when guys shot back because often they were a bit better at it.
Many criminals IRL can't shoot worth a shit though (and shooting handguns is generally much less easy than other firearms), so in a sense this is pretty immersive.

A few times a guy might have a machinegun though, in which case I'm just really fucked, they'll wear away armor in a second and pretty quickly blow up a car.
There's something to be said for the challenge GTA1 offers.

>>5770304

>>5765064
But there is 3D gameplay like jumping or throwing Molotovs.

>>5770452
jumping in GTA is as "3D" as jumping over something in a tabletop board game. you basically move on the same level but when "in jump" you can move over gaps in the ground or over some obstacles

molotovs/grenades fly on same level as you but "fall through" if the spot they're landing on has no ground

>>5770487
So you agree that it is three dimensional.

>>5770491
It's a 2D game, only thing "3D" is the visual effect on buildings

>>5770645
>only thing "3D" is the visual effect on buildings
It's a full polygonal environment.
Is DOOM a 2D game because it uses sprites for enemies?

>>5770650
in DOOM you can shoot enemies (or be shot at by them) above or below you, i.e. you directly interact with things at different heights
in GTA1 and GTA2 things on different heights cannot interact, one thing has to fall down to the same level first so they can start interacting

>>5770668
That means GTA is more 3D than DOOM.

>>5770691
Not him but you're an idiot. Doom is 2.5D and GTA is 2D.

>>5770698
How can something be 2D if there are three spatial dimensions with gameplay relevance?

>>5770703
There are multiple levels of retardation to your "argument". First of all there isn't three spatial dimensions, there are two dimensions with a small handful of different states. You can't go up and down an arbitrary amount. Secondly even if you could it would be isometric 2D because the camera can't move back and forth and around you. According to your "logic" then q-bert and sonic cd, beat em ups, every single old sports games and so on would be 3d. Also, why are you putting in this arbitrary "with gameplay relevance" clause? As long as it's 3d why would it matter? You could have a virtual building with no gameplay at all, that doesn't stop it from being 3d.

If you want to run around in your helmet zoomer saying everyone is wrong because those are all 3d then that's up to you but the real world does not consider them 3d and stop coming here asking people to explain the most basic concepts of videogames imaginable.

>>5770703
holy shit. This better be bait because it is full on retard.

>>5770796
>>5770826
>t. retards

>>5762969
wasn't chinatown wars the new top down gta? I didn't like it much tho

>>5770443
the bullets really should've been more visible

>>5766531
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs_r6ZBn40s
oh fuck its good. its like an homage to Genesis, Tull, and Yes.
always wished there was a prog station in a gta game.

best gta 2 gang
fuck the zaibatsu

Game-dev here, GTA 1 and 2 have a 3d engine but are mainly played in a 2d plane (though with elevation). They are clearly 3d games, since they contain 3d objects that are rendered, and a camera

>>5770796
>but the real world does not consider them 3d
you fucking daft cunt, "reality" is that gta 1 and 2 are in a 3d environmet, with more limitations than other games in 3d environments regarding how you can interact with it... the dumbed down "notion" is that 3 and beyond are 3d and below are 2d, that is simply put WRONG, no matter if the whole fucking planet, except some people who are right, say so.

>>5771672
>>5771673
Source: dude trust me

>>5771672
doesnt take a >Game-dev to determine that
anyone denying its 3D is baiting

>>5771673
It matters what is considered 3D because that's the context of it being used in shithead. Almost every subject you can think of has its own use of words. Samefagging is not a good look here because noone with quarter of a brain considers those games 3D, they're not 3D.

I thought you were finished and you come sperging back with this shit, just stfu and stop.

>>5770443
You're a far better player than I am. I'm kinda surprised you weren't set on fire by the car exploding, is it just a chance thing?

>>5772784
you've got invincibility frames when you enter/exit cars

can you autists start talking about the game again?

classic GTAs are fine, but having enemies seeing you before you see them are fucked and made me drop GTA1 before I've beaten it. Also, the tank controls suck and, if anybody here really have beaten GTA2 you would shiver everytime you read the words "penal ties!". Fuck tank controls and fuck the rednecks

Still, GTA2 is one of my favorites (behind only VC and SA) and gave us something that make my sister and me giggle to eachother everytime taxi drivers are mentioned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBZImLV0Iu0

>>5772987
in 2 you can at least look ahead with the alt key but this also fucks you during penal ties since it respawns the prisoners

funniest intro to a mission though
>GOING DOWN!

>>5772987
I know it as Alma Mater Returns, but fuck that mission.

>>5761216
i own it

it's a fucking BANGER

tracks from Weekend World also featured on TOCA 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUzey4gMnaI

>>5765639
LCS/VCS are brilliant.

LCS is just a revamped GTA III in my view, but VCS goes all out on a load of ideas they'd clearly had for ages but didn't use them.

>>5773901
>the version with Walk This Land included
i listen to this shit in my car all the time and i gotta be really careful to not speed up while doing it

>>5760436
>railroaded
ALL WE HAD TO DO

>>5772913
What is that image? Is official about the game?

>>5760685
Zoom is fucked. m8, at least in the ps version

>>5762969
they were
but the roaches at Sony had to hurt Chinatown Wars sales on the DS via piracy, causing Rockster to be discouraged to do more topdown GTA.

i mean, we got a port later but that was the end of that

>>5775160
yes, there were others too

>>5775976

>>5775980

>>5775982

>>5775985

>>5775997

>>5776006
odd they only did 4 cars like this
there is another version of >>5775982 too but i don't have it

>>5765548
>GTA5 was a return to form and a damn good game
It was okay, not great not terrible. It had cool features but it could've easily been expanded upon. The actual exploration content felt lackluster compared to SA and so did the map size. There's no way you can rank GTAV that high on your list. It's at least higher than GTA3 but lower than GTASA.
And you seriously can't rank VC that high unless it's for nostalgia purposes, come on. That's not the objective ranking. It's just purely subjective at best. Vice City stories is way better than Vice City itself.

GTAV isn't the overly bad game everyone makes it out to be, but it's not that good either. The game was a series of missed potential one after the other, with most of the interesting single-player ideas going straight into the Online, most of the stuff like San Fierro and Las Venturas basically being removed from existence in the HD Universe, etc. Return to form is the worst descriptor you can give it when the game is just an over-the-top HD version of SA but with better graphics, half the map erased and some extra cool content sprinkled in (like the UFOs) and parts of the content being removed and being online-exclusive.
Rockstar really fucked the game over with their greed.

>>5765548
IDK about your rankings system however, GTA 4 can go fuck it's self..
I remember starting the game, playing the first mission and then going about the city trying different cars. After not being able to find a single car that didn't drive like shit I took the game out of the tray and never again played it.

>>5776252
It's always subjective, of course. For example, I really didn't enjoy SA since I don't like rap and the whole black ghetto culture vibe, but I love VC because I really enjoy 80's music and the whole 80's vibe

>>5765548

1. GTA Vice City
2. GTA IV
3. GTA = GTA2 = GTA3
4. Muddafukka GTA SA muh dick

>>5757810
So the first gta I played was vice city and enjoyed it and really e noted all the gta since then but I decided to go back to the original games and man I wish I was not like a child back then cause I would have played the hell out of them. 2 is fantastic I wish Rockstar would do more top down games like they did with Chinatown wars.

>>5776648
There were stations with other stuff besides rap tho.

Do you like South Park?