/vr/ - Retro Games

nights is better than ANY 3D sonic would have been.

Fuk yu dirty american piggu u no get sonicu play superior gay jester game instead

>>5773146
It's not like their goal wasn't to have a sonic game, but the internal incompetence that led to no sonic game has been covered here a zillion times

Blame SoJ execs (they messed something up with the saturn, big surprise). Supposedly the story goes:

>The "fish eye" engine was being ported to saturn from the powerpc macs used to develop it by two teams
>they were supposed to present it to SoJ execs
>the team that consisted of outsourced devs made a really shitty version (horrible framerate)
>SoJ execs were presented this first as the other team of in house sega devs was furiously working to get it done at the absolute last second
>in house devs get it running at an acceptable framerate
>rush to show it to SoJ execs
>by then it's too late as SoJ execs have already seen first team's work
>they are furious
>refuse to even see the in house team's work
>they force both teams to scrap their work and start over

>>5773152
Nights is unplayable garbage. It feels like it was designed for women.

>>5773173
I doubt you're playing right. You just awkward meander through the world, collect 20 chips, then move on to the next ideya container don't you.

>>5773174
It's all style, and a disgusting one at that, and no substance.

>>5773179
>it's all style
retard.

>>5773161
>America good America dindu nuffin

>>5773174
>I doubt you're playing right
>wide.webm

>>5773203
NiGHTS supports 16:9 widescreen retard, a lot of Saturn games do.

>>5773181
Okay, you have fun with your repetitive flashy trash "game".

>>5773209
It's really no skin off my back if you don't like it. I suggest you go back to /v/.

>>5773152
Nights is one of the most meh games elevated to higher status by sheer virtue of being better than other games on its platform I've ever seen.

>>5773146
They wanted a Sonic game, but either by internal conflict, incompetence, or both, it didn't happen.
Something like a 2.5D game that looked like Sonic Rivals/Pandemonium but played like a normal Sonic game, with Sonic 3D Saturn special stages and a hub world like Sonic World in Sonic Jam would have made for a good entry in the series for the Saturn and be doable in their hardware limitations.

>>5773345
It's a pretty unique game, if nothing else. I think it more or less gets the praise it deserves as a racing game in disguise as a side scrolling action game. That game and Panzer Dragoon I think were among the most innovate games of that generation but the formulas those games created never got the refinement they deserved because they were on the wrong console.

>>5773146
They should have just made another 2D Sonic game on launch to pacify people enough until the Dreamcast when they finally make a 3D Sonic game. Its good no true 3D Sonic game released for this though since it would have been far worse than what we currently see.

>>5773146
>No Sonic Adventure

It's like they tried to fail.

>>5773152
>free spirited flying
>graded performance
choose one

>>5773195
This, getting real tired of the SoA narrative parroting.
Also, there is Sonic Jam
>b-but it's a compilation
It has the best sonic games, what more do you want?
Adventure games weren't that good, we were blessed with Nights.

lmao at the sonicfags assblasted over Nights.

>>5773560
These are the same people who think Sonic Adventure is good so it's not like anything they think matter.

>>5773173
Finally someone willing to speak the truth.

>>5773345
There are MANY better games on the Saturn though. Even if you exclude Japan-only releases, you still have other options. If you include Japanese releases then it's not even a contest.

Uh, hello?
>inb4 someone says it's not a main series game, OP didn't specify that

>>5773345
it's a meh game, but it's elevated to higher status by people who love mascots. I never played that on the Saturn and I think I had a lot of better games.

>>5773701
It's an unplayable miscarriage of a game, regardless of it being main series or not. Only hardcore Saturn fanboys can defend that shit.

>>5773723
>>5773676
>>5773173
samefag.

>>5773745
Fake news and offensively incorrect.

>>5773701
This racing game has five tracks, atrocious controls and really shit graphics. I say this as someone who played the PC port a lot as a kid.

>>5774194
I mean you're not wrong but on the other hand the soundtrack is an easy 10/10

>>5773146
Having no Sonic game is better than releasing a broken unplayable abomination. The prototype Sonic X-treme footage looked like shit.

You need to go back now.

>>5773227
I suggest you keep playing your shitty woman games because you're never gonna be one you effeminate nancy boy

>>5775783
ok /v/tard.

>>5773173
now that u mention it, true

>>5776897
go back.

>>5773146
The Xtreme team was massively under supported and weren't experienced with the hardware.
The Japanese side made decisions that were so bad that it might as well have been active sabotage rather than mistakes made due to miscommunication.
There was basically zero reason for Sonic Team (well, Naka) to disallow them from using code from NiGHTS for Xtreme.
The game had what appeared to be fundamental game design issues in what we've seen.

but seriously, they got no support despite Sonic being the primary reason that Sega has ever been particularly successful in the home market

>>5773558
It's got slowdown for no reason and fucked audio.
It's praised largely for the extras, because the actual ports aren't amazing.

>>5773345
NiGHTS is fun. It gets its dick rode too hard, but it's probably one of the better games that got said as "the best shit ever" almost entirely because most people hadn't played it.
It's still one of the top 5 best looking games on the machine, it's a real thrill ride to score attack, and much of the issue with getting into the game is just because the game doesn't really explain things on its own.

>>5773676
if you include Japanese games, the vast majority of worthwhile releases are a: RPGs that you can't read and b: arcade ports. The Japanese library of worthwhile exclusive Saturn games expands the US library by about 15 games.

>>5773476
IIRC, Chaotix was slated for Saturn at some point, and then it got stuck on the 32X. Rushed as hell too -- not entirely convinced that it'd have been too much better with more time because the chain idea is kinda retarded, but the game as released is just unfinished, with copy-paste sections of level thrown together and sparse enemy placement, no use for the score at all, an actually useless bonus stage (the big rings), etc

>>5775481
the financial success of Sonic 06 is a direct counter-example of this