/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Deadline: You already missed it.
-All details and a FAQ can be found in the following pastebin to help get you started
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

=== NEWS ===

[7-26] Doom 1, 2 (Including Master Levels), & 3 now available on Nintendo Switch, Playstation 4, & Xbox One.
https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/1154788818970714112

[7-21] Mapping contest with $250 prize: make a Prey 1996-themed map within one of numerous games
http://talonbrave.info/?p=1801

[7-20] Quake SM199 - five maps made by teams of two mappers
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61754

[7-19] Tim Willits leaves id Software, after being at the company for 24 years
https://twitter.com/TimWillits/status/1151870022421241857

[7-18] Aleph One may be getting better mouse support
https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone/releases/tag/release-20190331

[7-17] Copper Quake updates to 1.05
http://lunaran.com/copper/index.html

[7-17] Mapwinch RC1 released - 30 mappers randomly paired with each other to make 15 maps
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107249-come-eat-the-mapwich-a-collaborative-community-project-rc1-available/

[7-12] Ion Maiden deflowered into Ion Fury
https://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1619524466602443850

[7-8] New beta release for La Tailor Girl
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=390#p1110538

[7-4] Alien Bastards! a new Doomer Boards mapset inspired by Alien Carnage
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1541/dbp13-alien

[7-3] Quake Speedmapping Pack 198: 768 ^ 2
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61748

[7-1] Anon updates 'Demon CounterStrike' to fix Rocket Launcher spawns
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5701806/#5702668

[6-29] Anon map release: TESTINGGROUND.wad
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehkggu5q3p4n8jp/TESTINGGROUND.wad?dl=0

=== PREVIOUS ===

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== PROTIP ==

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first

PLUTONIA SUCKS

>Deadline: You already missed it.
sensible chuckle

also map organizer is taking maps under the table while the final release is being prepared so hurry up stragglers!

>>5767467

Reminder to not buy the latest Doom ports to the consoles and phones, or at least not the first two games.
>Bethesda.net DRM, not sure if it's always-online or only on each bootup but it's there
>Remade in Unity and sloppily at that, audio's kind of fucked and the game doesn't feel right
>id had their names scrubbed from the game in favor of the Nerve Software porting team
>no online multiplayer, no No Rest For The Living, no Final Doom
>Xbox 360 version of Doom was taken down from purchase and downloads so people would buy this version despite it being inferior

Doom 3 port is mostly fine besides the DRM being there too.

FUCL MAPS
and FUCK MAPPING

>>5767486
FUNC_MAPS
AND FUNC_MAPPING

>>5767480
>developed by nerve
>no NERVE.wad
extreme retardation

>>5767480
>buying games that are 10+ years old

The people who made them originally already got paid and 99% of them were fired or moved to another company. The money you pay for those games now goes directly to the jews.

>>5767480
is it really made in unity? what is even the point of doing that?

>>5767525

Prolly to safeguard it from potential "feature" theft by source port developers

>>5767494
People buying these games are lazy fucks who don't even know what a wad file is

>URGENT UPDATE: Apparently the delisting and removal of Doom 1 and 2 from the Xbox 360 and PS3 stores and the inability to download them, was an "unintentional error" and is now being fixed. It's already available for purchase again on PS3, with Xbox allegedly on the way.
https://twitter.com/LumpyTheCook/status/1154920219535695874

>>5767525
So they could make their awesome and epic credits sequence where they leave out the names of the people who actually made the game

eye dee software

>>5767541
>image
:DDDDDDD
>text
DDDDDDD:

>>5767480
>>5767525
He is exaggerating. it's just a source port, there is a credit sequence made in Unity but then it shows the id names as well. It's kinda okay, nothing really diffferent than the 2013 sendup, they have couch multiplayer if you're into that.

>>5767457
Quake 2 for Xbox 360>Doom 3 vanilla>BFG edition Doom 3>>>>>>>Doom 1 and Doom 2 by Nerve

>>5767583
What did they do with Quake 2?

>>5767491
more like CHUNK mapping
because it makes me want to vomit

kek

>>5767625
>i must go, my people need me

>>5767458
>2 (Including Master Levels)

But not Final Doom? What the fuck?

>>5767654
where'd you get this Doomhunter piece of concept art

>>5767662
Look more like Duke Nukem 3D stuff

>>5767668
>he's never played catacomb 3d

>>5767492
the nerve of those people

>nido force got in the total conversions on the doom infograph
>srb2 hasn't, despite being what's probably the most polished platformer ever made in id tech 1

Autistic sonic fanbase aside, it's a pretty solid game.

>>5767625
why's the new manc so pale? also aren't those stripes across his frame supposed to be really dark and not fleshy jutting veins?

>>5767683
>catacomb 3d
You fuck it's obviously Commander Keen

i live again

Daisy is cute! CUTE!

>it's a map tries way too hard to be better than dead simple episode

>>5767749
rabbits are

>>5767749
Would you load her shotgun?

>>5767765
I'm not crying

>>5767668
Yeah, it's the Pigcop Tank from Duke Nukem episode 4 done in voxel form. Its not released yet but itll be interesting to see if it looks good in-game.

>>5767792
wasn't DNF at one point a voxelized Quake engine game?

It would be neat if these ports made multiplayer easy

>>5767802
It would be neat if they had DM maps too.

>>5767741
Not for long.

>>5767802
would be neat if life was made easy

>>5767457
>>5767458
So... Doom 64 is apparently being ported to PC and PS4. And possibly Xbone and Switch. Current theories seem to lean toward it being EX.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/07/26/doom-64-ps4-pc/

>kaiser retweeted the doom64 port info
Pretty much confirmed to be done by him/nightdive

>>5767556
No, I've been looking into the files and code. It's... unfortunately an actual port to Unity.
All audio was converted to .ogg, instead of writing a 20-line doom sound lump reader. So there's over 100MB of audio in there, too.
I can't understand why they did this instead of just porting the game normally, it would have been LESS work.

>>5767968
So they have control over it more on their end.

>>5767969
Doing it in Unity doesn't give them any more control than porting it normally, they own the original source code, so they can decide to keep it closed source (provided they don't base it on a third party port, because GPL.)

>>5767457
Was someone having a stroke when designing this shirt? Why is it a Quake cat... With a RAGE eyepatch, and the RAGE logo underneath? And why is it advertised as being from RAGE?


WHO THE FUCK!? Seriously, how do you fuck up a shirt. The DOOM-puppy one doesn't have any other references on it except DOOM, so WTF!?

>>5767968
>All audio was converted to .ogg, instead of writing a 20-line doom sound lump reader. So there's over 100MB of audio in there, too.
That is just fucking insane. It always amazes me how professional game developers working for multi-billion dollar corporations manage to fuck up this badly so often.

is Doom64 anywhere in there? i have never played it and heard it is a different experience than normal doom and wanna check it out

>>5767869
If this is true i hope they don't botch it.

>>5767221
These people.

>>5767978
Because Rage is kinda dead.

>>5767532
Or are retarded
>>5768023

>>5767978
>Once again, dogs proving to be the superior choice.

I actually got both shirts and they're pretty comfy. The cat one isn't too bad, discounting the thing you point out. I'm suspecting they just figured it'd be cuter to have a grizzled cat and they'd be killing two birds with one stone splicing two IPs into one. The Doom one looks the best as is though.

thoughts on the quake expansions?

>>5768054
tarbabies are nothing compared to those asshole floating spike balls

>>5768054
I never finished the second one because of a broken elevator (source port problem or what?), but I'll get around to replaying Quake after finishing up Dusk and see if that bug is still there.

>>5768060
This WebM gets me every time.

>>5768060
> open door
> player was blasted by a spiked mine
that clip always makes me laugh

>>5768068 (me)
>>5768067
exactly, thanks for posting

>>5768054
great

What is the minimum system that can run Sunder.wad at 60fps locked at 1080p?

>>5768021
If it's just a straight unchanged port of Doom 64 EX then we've got nothing to worry about.

>>5768082
THIS

>>5767741
not for long bucko, uh i mean RUDOX CRUO

>>5767765
>>5767749
they are also pretty tasty

>>5768106
i, too, want to lick the sweat off daisy's abs

>>5768109
no we literally eat rabbits in my country, they are tasty as fuck. It's a pain to skin them tho.

>>5768112
i don't care about your country (what a weird comment to start with considering that rabbits are eaten around the world)
i want to lick daisy

>>5768113
i spoke to Americans before, and they told me that they don't eat them at all, so i just kinda thought it was a local thing. Sorry if it seemed like i was flexing or something, i'm not that well educated on these topics, considering that eating rabbits is not something that comes up often.

>>5767457
Are... are those fucking wood chips?
Imagine if you biffed a landing off one of those. Holy shit.

Wood chips. What? The rounds are going to get hurt.

>>5768124
Still better than landing on the concrete

>>5767583
>Doom 3 vanilla>BFG edition Doom 3
I still need to play DOOM3, but what did BFG edition fuck up? I heard it made the duct tape mod an official part of the game, which sounds like a plus to me.

>>5767749
I want to PET Daisy!

>>5768041
Imagine wearing children's shirts as a grown adult. Not even shitposting here man, that's just sad. I'm not one of those Puritans who gets assblasted over the concept of t shirts with graphics on them but man. That's seriously shit I'd wear when I was 8 because grandma got it for me and had no other choice.

is it true that Ranger is a racist?

>>5768150
Some map you don't need to collect air anymore or something, BFG is good, and has the Lost Marine episode

>>5768170
Of course anon. He beat the niggur.

>>5768167
You didn't try very hard. But I commend you for the attempt, nonetheless.

>>5768170
no, you're thinking of bitterman

>>5768167
God i hate people who glorify Halo, it wasn't even the first decent console FPS, hell it wasn't even the first good console FPS on 6th gen consoles. it wasn't even the first good FPS on OG Xbox

>>5767458
It bears mentioning that the ports of Doom and Doom 2 on the Switch aren't very good.

>>5767467
Why didn't you git gud?

>>5767480
The Doom 3 port looks like it's actually fine (surprisingly), which is at least something.
I wonder if I can bug Bethesda to make a DLC for it to let you have the chainsaw in ROE and Lost Missions, since the chainsaw is by far the most fun weapon in Doom 3 and its absence really affects those expansions.

>>5767492
That floors the shit out of me, because they would 100% have the rights to put it in, and it's such a good fucking episode.
I mean Nerve is credited with doing the port, yet Nerve didn't put in their acclaimed .wad?

>>5767494
You're generally right, but as long as Kevin and Donna still work there, I don't feel too bad about the idea of spending a few bucks on their efforts.
Of course, those efforts aren't properly represented in these new ports of the old games, so that's reason to not buy those.

Do you guys know if anyone ever attempted playing that crazy wad known as Tarakannik 3?

It's extremely hard but with (some) clever design. I'd like to see if those maps are actually possible to complete.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/tarakan3

>>5768195
Wrong pic

>>5767968

>>5768167
You must've had Mom thinking you must be looking to hone some knowledge you obtained through the internet somehow these past 10 years of your life...
'My boy sitting at his computer all day, he's looking to be a smarter and overall better man. He studies really hard'.
And this is what you do for her... ?

>>5768054
They're really good and people should play them.
Make sure to get the music for them too, most releases don't have it.

>>5768008
>>5768021
If Nightdive is doing the D64 port, then we can be pretty certain it will be competent, and not this Unity brundlefuck.

>>5768167
Imagine contributing to a good cause, having something to show for it and taking it with you as a token of appreciation. Don't give a fuck about your grandma, though. Not sure why you think I would care.

>>5768082
Probably anything that was considered remotely decent in power from the last 10 years, assuming the person is playing it in Boom or a Boom derivative port.

>>5768124
I've actually been seeing that on some newer playgrounds, it boggles the shit out of me, it can't possibly make for a softer landing than sand, and you're almost certainly at high risk of splinters.

>>5768150
They made BFG Edition a bit easier with some more health and ammo, so maybe consider not playing on the lowest setting at the least.
For the flashlight, they made that basically Half-Life style, it's sitting on your shoulder and when toggled on it can give you light for about 25 seconds, you can use it with any weapon.

The port plays perfectly fine, and Doom 3 is, in spite of its flaws, alright (it has one or two pretty good bossfights), with a pretty damn fun chainsaw.

The switch version uses Unity. Does that mean it's a full recreation or have they managed to shim a sourceport into Unity for some reason?

>>5767457
doomrpg.weebly.com is down, man

>>5768220
See >>5767968

>>5768226
>an actual port to Unity
what does that mean?

>>5768171
And it has the Grabber Gun and Super Shotgun, along with the new demons from Resurrection of Evil.

>>5768229
ROE and Lost Missions doesn't have the chainsaw though, that always miffed me.

>>5768228
I probably should've been more clear. By "actual port" I meant "they rewrote the game in Unity."
It's not a wrapper.

Suddenly GrafZahl's antics don't look so bad, do they?

>>5768243
>Suddenly piss doesn't smell so bad huh

I wanna get an early start on it so IT'S SCREENSHOT SATURDAY MOTHERFUCKERS.
What're you working on? Maps, mods, art? Let's see what you've been working on this week.

>>5768246
Compared to Beth's shit which has always been a scummy company and to the shit nuDoom which for some reason is praised here? It's positively perfume.

>>5768253
I haven't done a whole lot other than playtesting and tweaking shit while waiting for necessary sprites, but I caved in and replaced the staff swipe attack with a more cliche spin move for defensive purposes, honestly it feels better.

>>5768257
Did you make Hell Forged?

>>5768256
You had me up until 'nudoom', you're on your own now.

>>5768261
No, I'm nowhere near as good as art as that guy.

>>5768256
>Bethesda
Not precisely something to boast about.
>nuDoom
Sounds like a problem of your own, Graf.

>>5768265
I've seen some of your stuff mang, its pretty ACCEEEEEE.
Could we, perhaps if its not trouble, at all like, pretty please, see some behind the scenes stuff? Like concept art?

>>5768268
I don't really have concept art, but I got the first sketch of Kustam done by Caco-Bro fucking YEARS ago.
It's kinda funny that two of my characters were designed by dudes who also draw a fair amount of porn

>>5768269
OOO, thankyou

POST MORE DAISY

>>5768273
I'll try tomorrow if I get to catch the quakecon stream early.

>>5768256
Oh man, you mean to tell me I've been enjoying the wrong things all along?

>>5768256
I mean bethesda are a bunch of scumfuckers, but Doom 4 was pretty okay, and Eternal looks solid too.
I wish Id didn't get bought out by those guys.

Has there been any "canon" explanation for the Strogg insignia appearing on crates in Quake 1?

>>5768281
No, because at the time it wasn't the Strogg insignia.

>>5767798
Not sure about DNF, but the original SiN game was pretty much built (and completed) on the Quake engine, and only changed it to the Quake II engine at the end of development, in a rushed and unfinished way.
Some very old beta screenshots of wht it looked like can be found on those old PC Gamer magazine scans.

>>5768276
That's the problem, really. To me id ended the day Beth bought them out. Even Rage, though still a Carmack game, didn't have any groundbreakig qualities their games had before.

Of course I'd prefer GrafZahl not to be an asshat but if you compare his product with the thing just shat out by Bethesda there's really no comparison.

>>5768281
I think it just kinda happened, there wasn't any thought to it.

>>5768189
Well the port of Doom 3 was handled by a different company.

>what do you mean Doom and Doom 2 on your xbox games library were deleted or otherwise rendered inaccessible??
>what do you mean the games are always online services??

>that's just us goofing up again ahah whoopee de doo we're so silly, here's us fixing it right away ;)

Redpill me on Graf Zahl.
Why do people hate the guy so much?

>>5768342
TL;DR he's got a chip on his shoulder, doesn't like modders very much, enforces dumb shitty defaults in his sourceport, and does dumb and questionable choices for the sourceport as a whole.

>>5768253
i added street debris that spawn on city levels, kinda torn on it because half the time it looks alright but the other half all the cars/tires spawn too close to each other and it looks weird

>>5768349
Break all forms of communication with Sgt Mark IV.

>>5768236
Like, really? fuck it plays like the previous gen source ports. So a "source port in unity?"

>>5768352
dont communicate with him at all, i work on this independently

>>5768352
you know Mark just took most of those asset's from the Terminator games right?

>>5768394
it was his idea to fill the maps with the stuff using scripts regardless

>>5768390
>>5768394
Just fuckin with ya.

>>5768395
i mean his decoration scripting is not a bad idea, if it was made by any other modder you wouldn't complain. His script is aggressive as fuck, and fucks the game harder than a Malaysian commando, but if it was more subtle it could bring some nice additional atmosphere to the game. The only similar concept to this i have seen was in the DeadMarine mod, where it added some nice soundscapes depending on your location, shit made the place way more atmospheric.

>>5767467
Why?

>>5768404
i really wouldn't because having a fucking aircraft and lampposts out in the open with doom's extremely basic geo maps makes is hokey. the sprites don't have to be the worst shit to enter my view but it would still be tacky. good on you for doing what you do but i'm not a fan is all.

>>5768408
i'm not the creator, i was just defending the concept.

>>5767798
No, it was Q2 engine at first, then 2001 was Unreal version of which we got a trailer, then we got some prerendered shit that was supposed to be UE2, then UE3, but was revealed as nonexistent and fabricated.

Then we got UE2.5 version released (it's not UE3)

>>5768261
Isn't Hellforged just an attempt to make something out of Demon Eclipse resources that were made by Eriance?

>>5768342
"NO".

I figured out how they fucked up the music in the new ports.
Rather than use MIDIs, they seem to be using some form of streamed format recording (mp3, ogg, whatever) using Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth which is an extremely low quality Roland table.
But that only accounts for shit samples and not the speed.
Here's what happened to the speed:
They recorded it at 48khz, but then for whatever reason converted to 44.1khz but did so improperly, slowing down the track.
I made a very quick and dirty test with my own clean SC-55 recording (cause I can't test using the shitty MS GS Wavetable atm) and it perfectly matches their slowdown.

This is what it sounds like normally in a clean 48khz recording:
https://files.catbox.moe/tgvbs3.mp3

And this is what it sounds like after said 48khz recording is improperly converted to 44.1khz:
https://files.catbox.moe/qwo09r.mp3

>>5768170
does knowing that trigger you?

>>5768432
I think you're exactly right.
Difference is that the slowed down SC-55 actually sounds kinda alright.

>>5768440
I know I am right because I compared the tempo, it's the same and it's basically certain that's what happened on their end. SC-55 sounds alright because it's an actually good synth so even when slowed down it doesn't sound like utter shit.

I love silly Doom memes like OP

Anyone got any OC to share?

>>5768443

>>5768273
you can search for cruelpastry on e621
there aren't that many pictures though

oh shit I lost the one with the berseker punch and that one isn't there
fuck
goddamit this is why I wanted an archive

>>5768447
Please shop in the little spike knuckle duster

Do anyone know some Wolfenstein wads compatibile with certain Doom mods?

>>5767457
Is there a Doom pack for MacOS?

>>5768454
Wolfenstein didn't use the .wad format

>>5767467
better than tnt evilution at least.

>>5767968
>>5767979
>>5767969
>>5767973
What MOST probably happened: they relegated this work to some interns.
Interns who are paid by work hours.
Simple port would not take long, so they would not be paid well for it.
So they convince whatever inept out-of-touch manager that's above them that "Unity is the future, man"
and then they get to fuck around portinig shit to Unity for few month while being paid for it.

>>5768450
please try to find it

>>5768469
no I forgot that I had it in my reaction folder when I deleted it
I have this bad habit of purging it every once in a while to avoid posting the same shit over and over and I had it there like a fucking retad
I might have to scourge desuarchive to find it

>>5768469
>>5768472
there it is, I think it was this one
makes more sense in the context it was originally posted but whatever

I haven't visited these threads since like the second bluray dropped. Were they still this Masao shitfest all this time?

>>5768494
and lastly this one with the teacupping from desuarchive, love the little detail with the UAC logo

my apologies for posting sinful things like teacupping but I swear I'll stop for now

>>5768505
the only thing more sinful than teacupping is THOSE ABS

>>5768309
Sorry, just saw this. If you're on Windows with Java Runtime installed (though this emulator also runs on Linux or even Pi so you can use this on them devices too), download this - https://mega.nz/#!Xl1gXKYL!b8lDmtUNaC0lQMhwS2EDhC1Oko4rZ0Ta9nkJCEDVa7U
Open the 'build' folder, run freej2me.jar then open the included DoomRPG_s40v3a-N6233.jar.

why is PRBoomGL not hiding my taskbar

HELLO ME
MEET THE REAL ME

>>5768535
I was pretty surprised at the size of this guy, I thought he'd be a boss as opposed to a Baron Of Hell type enemy

>>5767625
Oh alright Doom Slayer. Imma bouta head out

Will Bethesda stream the DEternal keynote on their Youtube as well? My Twitch always lags for some reason.

>>5768535
Over designed: the enemy

>>5768568
IGN and Bethesda both streamed the stuff yesterday so yes

>>5768574
Thank you. Can't wait for more single player content.

>>5768568
They streamed it on Youtube as well, but I have even worse experiences with Youtube streams than I do Twitch.

https://feldherr.org/2017/11/28/evil-high-priest-interview/

>I have nightmares quite often. During these nightmares, I don’t like them, but when I wake up, I remember them and often use them in my game ideas. A lot of Doom levels are based on nightmares I’ve had, for instance. Believe it or not, I have never had a nightmare in which Cthulhu figured. However, Lovecraftian elements are common.
>One of my recurring, and quite specific nightmares, also one of the most terrifying, is for me to be in an old house (often my grandfather’s or father’s), or an old library, and to discover that there is a small secret room there. This secret room is always small, and triangular, tucked into a corner of the building. It has a clouded window shedding a nasty yellow light over the interior.

>There are occult-looking papers and parchments scattered over an old desk, and on the floor, and old books laying everywhere. An overpowering musty smell is all around.
>As I look around this strange area, I become aware of movement in the corner. I turn, and a withered, hideous undead Thing rises up – the inhabitant of the secret room. Always mummified and awful, it reaches out a blackened claw towards me. I so far have always awakened before it touched me.
>This nightmare is so specific (it starts out general, can be in any building, and then becomes more and more specific towards the end), that my fear is sometime it might come true. Logically I know this is impossible. But nightmares aren’t about logic.

Funny that. Have any of you ever made levels based on nightmares you've had, or do you know of any other examples of when someone did?

>>5768432
Post this on the Buttesda forums and get banned for fixing their broken ass shit.

>>5768590
well, that explains his doom 2 maps then

>>5768576
https://youtu.be/7iFMyiGfxbE

so for some reason PRBoom seems to get fucky in 1920x1080

this is a weird thing that happens to me with some games, I have to set games to either 1366x768 or 1600x900 because they get weirdly cropped at 1920x1080 despite that being my resolution, I tried updating the drivers and it still happens, whats going on?

Does DOOM on Switch have multiplayer? I wouldn't mind picking it up for that.

>>5768617
Splitscreen only

>>5768614
thanks, anon

>>5768616
You could try a proper driver wipe and reinstall.
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

>>5768617
2-4 split screen. Local only on the same switch. Which is a shame.

Would be cool to have 4 people on seperate switches playing a DM. Or even someone in docked with someone on the handheld.

Also supports co-op. Also the screens are side by side if it's two player for whatever reason

what is the gzdoom of quake?

>>5768590
I think one of Hell Revealed's later map layouts came to the author in a dream.

>>5768638
Quake 2

>>5768638
can you be more specific

>>5767492
>>5768189
if they sell NRFTL as DLC later I'm going to start fucking screaming

>>5768590
I don't know if it counts, but the PSX first person game called "LSD" is all about levels based on the dream journals of some japanese dude. You don't shoot anything in those though, you just explore and cause interactions/dream changes by bumping into things.

>>5768648
either a sourceport for quake or a way to play quake without using shitty dosbox

>>5767709
**that game is what got me into doom; I came for sanic and stayed for the game engine**

>>5768652
quakespasm
did you read the OP
you didn't read the OP

Graf is a chicken, isn't he? Why don't we just eat him?

>>5768590
>This nightmare is so specific (it's fast monsters pistol start, can be in any building, nothing stays dead and then becomes more and more chaotic towards the end)

>>5767480
https://twitter.com/Jewelots_/status/1155074813230297094

"Supposedly people are getting a watermark in the bottom right that says trial version when they try taking a screenshot because it's running on a version of Unity that isn't licensed."

>>5768658
Salmonella.

>>5768170

>>5768662
>add anti-piracy measures using pirated software

>>5768662
holy fuck

>>5768638
Quakespasm

>>5768662

>>5768443

>>5768662
Playtested by 15 people, 15 minutes each. This really reeks of rushed intern work.

>>5768668
If there's any proof that it's morally justified to pirate media nowadays, it's this fucking shit.

>>5768674
Nice.

>>5767457
UH OH you fucked the embeds up

>>5768573
He's fine, though?

>>5768689
>he fucked them up so badly he broke the links
FUCK YOU OP

>fallout 76 panel at Quakecon

JEsus what a shitshow

>>5768573
Better than the Marauder though.

Live mic is on on quakecon stream,. Dudes talking about his wife and her girlfriend playing fucking Dream Daddy

>>5768223
A travesty. How come that stuff isn't in the mega(s) anyway?

>>5768662
They really rushed it the fuck out, didn't they. Good lord, they could've just re-released Doom Classic Complete instead but I guess that would've just made too much sense. What a fucking joke.

>>5768721
ive a feeling these were made for mobile in mind and they just released them on console too cus why not?

>>5768725
Yeah, seems plausible.

>Update on our new classic DOOM releases:

>The BethesdaNet login requirement was included for the Slayers Club, to reward members for playing the classic DOOM games.

>The login should be optional, and we are working on changing the requirement to optional now.

Pffffffffff

>>5768727
there are tons of mobile games that you need to sign in and authenticate so yeah probably this

>>5768728
>Slayers Club
I wish that wasn't a thing

>>5768728
seems reasonable. They DO try to push the slayers club a lot. Though what exactly do you even get for logging in with it?

>>5768728
Too late, they've already fucked themselves.

>apologising for playing on a controller
>[crowd boos]

kek

>>5768736
I think the slayers club is mostly a statistical thing for them to gauge the audience of people who are garunteed to spend money. It's useful info for investors.

>>5768737
people are spamming these so yeah they lost a lot of goodwill already

"ITs a power fantasy. Its why you buy doom becuase its a power fantasy. Everyone wants to be strong thats the power fantasy. ITs doom its a power fantasy"

What the fuck?

>>5768750
Your power fantasy isn't to to kill demons for all eternity as punishment for their sins?

>>5768757
yes. But this dude was specifically talking about the bit the slayer walking into that room at the start and making people scared. I should have mentioned that in my post.

>>5768760
You are a strong and scary guy and you take what you want. Power fantasy.

>you don't die for falling into a bottomless pit
Casual shit.

>>5768773
But thats who i am in real life already.

>>5768775
You can't just die when you wall into a bottomless pit. It's bottomless, you'll just keep falling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iFMyiGfxbE

>>5768775
Hopefully that's just the demo.

>>5768782
You would die eventually.
>>5768785
They explained it wasn't. Probably as a response to that one tower level in 4.

Painkiller 2019 looks like fun, I guess

ALL I WANT TO KNOW is if i can turn the 1up display and demonic corruption bar off. I dont need or want to see those.

>>5768634
You mean vertical split?

I MEAN IT'S SO SMART

>the Terminator 2 sound effect when doomguy busts through the wall
I fucking knew it!

So I've just play the first 3 maps of Doom for iOS, and while the control scheme is fucking cold ass on a hot plate, it's still basically Doom and was enjoyable to play, even with the real thing literally inches from me. I think I actually still have a CD copy of Doom 2 in my cabinet

But I think I understand the Unity port now. Doom can be natively run on a lot of things, but Apple products were never really able to do this well.
By using Unity, they've made launching to PS4, XBO, Switch AND iOS and Android easy to do because of Unity's ability to compile for any of those platforms. The music is too slow, (though always run and high-sensitivity look, oh and save slots, all nice) the sounds are off, the lighting and rendering are clearly Unity based, (likely OpenGL) but it's still more or less Doom. I'm gonna have fun with it no matter what, especially if I'm out somewhere away from a PC and have the urge to rip and tear.

This really makes you think

>>5768750
>>5768757
>>5768757
>>5768760
>>5768773
your powerfantasy should be about paying Todd for a 26 year old game
blessed be Todd

All the classic doom elements in nu-doom is super jarring.

The medkits, the blue vials and shit. Shit like 1ups and floating neon coins.

>>5768728
>no mention of addressing all the other problems

HUD options confirmed

HUD Customization confirmed. Noice.

>>5768783
>that UI and font
>1ups
>demonic corruption garbage
>upgrades again
>all that dashing and jumping
>"slayergates"
>used colors to make retards aware of their ammo instead of numbers
I enjoyed nuDoom a bit, but this I can't get behind, fuck this shit.

When's HUH?

>>5768821
i hope someone streams it for shits and giggles

>1UPs are hard to get
>Literally on the way

Really hope it's like that for demo only

>>5768757
My power fantasy would be more to stop the invasion by hell in some kind of amazing action adventure, and then afterwards getting to live a comfortable life of leisure after some book deals or something.
I figure actually visiting hell can be used to score a lot of goth pussy.

>level is literally one giant linear hallway

For all the talk of looking to the classic dooms and taking elements into account they conveniently avoid the complex maps with the interconnected parts that you pass through and return to later after opening up previous areas etc etc

Just keep walking forward in a straight line!!! Walking forward is the thinking mans map design!

>those uh.. things right there...
>they um... really uh.. make ur think eh.
>doom is uh... thinking man shooter.

>1UPs fully heal on use
eh

5+ 1ups.
NAH, dude.

That 1up shit is atrocious. That BETTER be turn off-able.

Hugo, I love you, but you're ass at this game lol

That's some Dark Souls magma right there

NuDoom's announcement was underwhelming, but it got better the closer the release date was. Eternal's opposite, after epic 2018 presentation it's one disappointment after another. Why do they fix what wasn't broken?

Well there you have it. Cyberdemon/Tyrant species.

>>5768818
The UI is about the only valid point you brought up. Shit's garish.

Doom 64 was acknowledged.

Speedrun block on twitch/quakecon now

I'm suspecting the extra lives don't appear on the higher difficulty levels, or are placed more strategically/are harder to get.

Either way, I'm not really picking up on anything new that they hadn't shown off before. So I don't really feel like any negative backlash they might receive is anything new or would make for interesting reads. Guess they just gotta fine tune it and that's about it.

Dime's doing the thing. https://www.twitch.tv/quakecon

>>5768879
>he mentioned romero, hall, & petersen
He's going to mysteriously vanish tonight.

>>5768662

>>5768879
I'm not a speedrun guy that doesnt look very speedy to me
dude got stuck for almost a solid minute

>>5768858
It's the exact fucking same with some tweaks to the gameplay mechanics.

>>5768889
>I'm not a speedrun
You sure aren't.

>>5768662

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8

ive seen more Rage and Fallout at Quakecon than ANYTHING quake related.

>>5768898
they could at least include a quake speedrun or something

>>5768898
It's essentially a Bethesda show at this point.

>>5768889
Not exactly a world record attempt. More of a tricks and jank showcase.

Is "American" the dudes real name? Or a nickname.

>>5768912
That's his name, American McGee.
His mom was a very strange and eccentric hippie person.

""""speed""""" """""run""""""

I just don't get it, Turok 1 was remastered with a new engine by one guy for PC, then ported on the Switch and Xbox ONE and runs well(the same will be done with Turok 2 on the Switch).

While a game studio can't port an older and less advanced game like Doom properly? With a trial version of Unity on top of that?

This is ridiculous.

>>5768912
He was born in the 70s.

>>5768913
He also had a shit life before he became a game dev but that's another story

>>5768918
sounds like bethesda just being bethesda

good on them to fuck up THE ONE GAME people can run on a fridge

>>5768918
The most plausible theory I've heard is that a team of interns at Nerve were being paid by the hour, and deliberately worked slow to make sure they could be paid more.

>>5768915
Your point?

>>5768926

>>5768912
It's so he doesn't get confused with African McGee. Or Brazil McGee.

>>5768893
>Rainbow UI and pickups (they aren't even trying with those floating question marks & coins)
>Chainsaw is just a 'gimme ammo' button now
>There was ONE 1UP in 2018 gameplay and it didn't lie straight on the main path
>Falling simply resets your position because muh precious time

First things I got from my head. Yeah, exact fucking same except worse.

>this incredibly awkward interview with this random nerd

>>5768937
Get outta here, Barney

>>5768937
>get record after speeding 4 months of your life speedrunning TNT
>finally top the one and only Zero Master
>he one ups you soon after
That's gotta sting

>>5768936
>Literally an aesthetic choice that amounts to nothing
>It's always been like that
>Could do without them scattered around the arena, game is still in development
>Why is this even a game breaker?

what port are they using to speedrun?

>>5768943
Just gimme a megasphere. Dang.

>>5768945
Crispy

not a flattering photo for the profile

I have literally not seen a SINGLE black or non white person at this event in 3 days.

>>5768958
Soo toxic

>>5768958
And?

>>5768913
>>5768912
One of my teachers in school was named Railroad Trainings.
That was his real name.
His father really liked trains.

>>5768918
Turok 1/2 were made by Kaiser, who previously made Doom 64 EX.
Beth Doom switch port was made by "eh, how hard can it really be" people.

>>5768963
I just find it weird. Like we get told women make up 50% of "gamers". Obvious bullshit. And all the pandering there is to minorities and having diversity in modern games then you take a look at who actually shows up to these cons and its 99% white people.

>>5768926
>>5768931
some fourchinner in this very thread said so >>5768468
it must be true
I mean how else can someone fuck up that badly if not on purpose

Honestly discounting the janky fucking lives system which cheaps out the game's difficulty, and the weirdly low enemy population seen in the demo, there was really nothing in it that seemed out of order. I don't know why some act like they've been betrayed or whatever, it's the exact same map from before except you get the devs commentary to go with it.

>>5768964
what could be some sneaky Doom names for kids?

>Flynn
>Daisy
>William Joseph
>Sandy
John is too sneaky


>>5768968
are you going to start another argument with yourself? again?

>>5768968
Well that's just tryhard PR. Bunch of pointless shit in the end.

CHEX QUEST RUN CONFIRMED

>>5768972
Tom Hallman

>>5768965
Let's also add that the original PC ports of Turok 1 & 2 were pretty bad. Also add that he kept updating them in order to make them the best versions of said games.

>>5768972
Rome R. O'Toole

>>5768968
There's truth.
There's omitment.
There's lies.
There's big lies.
And then there's statistics.

My mom likes to do virtual jigsaw puzzles and mahjong on PC some times. And then she also does those jigsaw puzzles on her tablet.
By their standards she's one of those 50% gamer women, and owns more than one gaming platform (probably makes her count for more than 1 person too).

>>5768943
Immersion, coherent style? Never heard of those? That's what this rainbow shit breaks. That arcadefying of everything with no sense of limit is the problem. Same about chainsaw, you could carry it around just like any other weapon, and it gave this cool 'on the hunt' feeling. Now fuck you, just press G bro.
Tons of easy-to-get 1UPs & fall reset remove any punishment for mistakes. You deserve to reload if you messed up the fight or fell off like an idiot.

>>5767457
Quake but you drive an automobile through dimensions in the universe.

>>5768998
Quake Rally 2 when

SPEEDY SPEED BOY

>>5768931
Well no, it's just speculation, but it looks kind of plausible to me.

>>5768934
Or Australian McGee

>>5768998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvJ_xdhEm2c

>>5769008
Israel McGee

>>5769015
Djibouti McGee

>>5769023
Chinese McGee
Which is exactly what he is now considering he lives there

>>5768972
Adrian

>>5768972
Inferno

Eternal looks great, I honestly don't understand most of the complaints, the 1ups healing you is the only thing I think stinks.

>People whine and bitch and moan about how Doom 2016 is just flesh and metal and has no color
>People are now whining about how colorful everything is
>People whine and bitch and moan that you have to sit around and reload after falling into a pit
>People now complain that you don't die after falling in a pit.
There's really no winning for id now is there?

>>5768997
If you want to get really technical, and I'm not actually on their side when they say this, those changes to the UI are all on purpose for visibility's sake. The chainsaw is sort of a nonstarter, don't fake it.

Falling off and then loading a checkpoint back up doesn't add to the gameplay as much as some may claim. It would come off as hokey and strange if the game had manual saves and falling implied redoing the whole map back again, but in this case it's merely skipping the reload altogether. The proper way to approach it would be to set the player further back the map each time until he's gotta redo whole swathes of it.

>>5769043
Pits should be like Zelda where you're damaged for falling into a pit.

>>5768918
Turok ran like shit on switch though which is why i think 2 is taken so fucking long. It runs much more intense than 1 so its probably hard to get it running decent on switch

>>5769047
Actually, you're right, I like that idea. I just fucking hated having to reload a checkpoint every time I slipped into a pit in 2016.

Doom 64 run in just over a minute, bois

>>5769057
That's just a countdown for 15 minutes of ads.

>Doom
>Doom 2
>Doom 64
>2016
>Eternal
It's like they aren't even trying to hide the fact it's a sequel any longer.

>>5768972
Mancubus

>>5768054
Great stuff. I especially loved the multi-rocket launcher in DoE. Felt very satisfying blasting away dumbass hell knights and ogres 3 times as fast as before. There should be more user maps for the expansions, or at least borrowing their content.

>>5769063
Now you're just reaching for things to bitch about.

>>5769073
I'm not... ?

>>5768425
Well it did originate as a remake of that by the same guy, but he's "just" made a bunch of new very high-quality sprites and maps.

>>5768965
Havent I seen this exact same post before

Any mod that gives the invulsphere more of a white overlay effect on the screen like in Doom 64 instead of the eye raping negative scheme on vanilla Doom?

>>5769045
To be fair I dislike how nuDoom handles chainsaw in general, but like that you could at least carry it around. It's the coolest looking saw in the series. Agree, this argument of mine was a stretch. Gotta accept that this is how all melees operate now.
On the part of falling I still disagree. It's the same death as allowing your health to drop below zero. Would be fine if it used 1UP for reset, but not infinite amount of times.

>>5769043
The QCon'18 gameplay had perfect color balance, now it's oversaturated. Haven't met a single person who bitched about reloading after falling.

>>5769051
What are you talking about?It runs just fine.
They might update it later and improve the performance just like they did with the Xbox One version.

>>5768750
Doom is Brutal Doom, clearly

>>5768634
I mean, those seem kinda cool. Might play with gf.

>>5769135
Yeah, play with your girlfriend. Forget video games.

>>5769139
>Forget video-games
Never. They contain anime girls.

>>5769132
No it REALLY drops performance. Especially the last 2/3 levels.

I still loved it especially the gyro. The gyro fucking rules. But it wasnt a stable 60fps. It was more 40-60 but its all over the place.

ALso I wish the consoles supported the level editor. I know thats never gonna happen but those dudes put tons of effort into a level editor and like 6 people only ever used it.

>>5769142
>Contain anime girls
Well? Where are the anime girls in Blood? And Douk

Filthy liar

>>5768964
that sounds like some random Gundam character to me

>>5768936
>There was ONE 1UP in 2018 gameplay and it didn't lie straight on the main path
You do realize the demo they showed off today was made for e3 correct? Devs have to design those demos in such a way that the vast majority of people at the event can get through the entire thing in a short amount of time.

>>5769143
Well 40-60fps isn't atrocious.
It's still a good port.
I still take it over a port made with a Trial version of Unity that manages to be worse than the originals on PC.

>>5769047
I always liked when you died to a pit in Ocarina, and then Link would casually walk back into the room and THEN fall over and die.

>>5769127
Aye, taking a life out would make sense. Missed pointing that out after the fact. Don't feel the game is overloaded on the color front though. The UI being as colorful as is currently is kind of jarring but it's about the only thing I'm not comfortable with.

>>5768750
I mean, are we going to pretend that isn't true to a certain extent? I play Doom to shoot shit and outperform and outmaneuver whatever the game throws at me. It's a less nuanced way to put it but it's a valid assessment nonetheless.

They specifically said that the Demo they showed is 4 months old and they've updated the UI, and that the UI itself will have a bunch of options for color and opacity. Neat.

>>5769172
We saw a newer HUD in the Battle Mode footage yesterday.

>>5767457
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! HOW THE FUCKING HELL DO I INSTALL AND CONFIGURE TER SHIBBOLETH FOR QUAKE!?!?! AHHHHHHH IT"S DRIVING ME FUCKING NUUUUUTS!!!!

>>5769172
Whatever, it'll probably still be shit.

>>5769176
See? Lmao.

>>5769178
its good practice to read any .txt that comes with your maps

>>5769063
It's a franchise reboot, what a fucking surprise that the second game is just Hell on Earth. WHO KNEW!?!?

>>5769176
The lower right portion of the HUD, that ammo tally.

What the FUCK, man.

>>5769179
>BAWW I CAN'T HANDLE UI COLORS IN GAMES THAT AREN'T BLUE OR PURPLE

>>5769185
I think he meant that as in that it's a sequel to the old Doom games, judging by the arrangement of the runs as if it was a timeline.

This zello guy is actually pretty amusing to watch and listen to. Guy knows his shit.

>>5769176
isn't the hud oversaturated to make it easier to read?
because if anything, all the glowing shit makes it harder to read

>>5768907
it became BETHCON at this point, a bizzarre ripoff and Spite towards BLIZZCON.

>>5769179
Boo fucking hoo, the UI is bad, the game still looks fun.

>>5769161
For me the HUD is ok, brighter than previous variant but tolerable. And they even confirmed that it'll be customizable.
Pickups is what bothers me, they're so overbright that they look almost one-colored. Another issue is some of them being not so original, like question mark for secret items. Hope it's just a placeholder, otherwise compared to marine toys it's pathetic.

>>5769152
I hope so, considering there's also RAGE2'esque training room. Would be nice if they confirmed it though. But instead Marty tells how this one 1UP is hard to get, lol.

are they going to speedrun Doom 3?

>>5769205
They more or less specifically said that it is a placeholder, they said something about "we've got a new collectable that we think you guys will like"

>>5768918

Might be a good time to plug this again.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/92901-doom-64-for-doom-ii-idgames-link-is-up/

Love the weapon wheel

>>5768721

id had their hand forced by bethesda. there is fallout between them. plan was doom 1/2/64 for low price as a gesture from willits and market eternal. willits used his last months and a lot of company resources to get doom 64 source and license. open secret in the byoc

>>5768918
easy answer
bethesda

>>5769221
That's bullshit and I can only believe about 34% of it because it involves Tim Willits and a good deed for a change.

so is Bethesda just going to pretend vanilla Doom 3 never existed

>>5769231
Shut up and enjoy your improved version™

Who the fuck are Zenimax?

Is it Bethesda or Zenimax or what's going on?

>>5769238
>things you can look up in 5 seconds

>>5769238
Look up the meaning of "holding company".

>>5769238
this >pic should be public knowledge

Zenimax Media is the OWNER of Bethesda Softworks and id

>>5767737
Eh, I can see why they did that. Looking at the photo of the original sculpture, the black lines look really jarring and ugly to me. Maybe they're supposed to look like charred flesh from the flamethrower fuel in the creature's veins, but I don't know, it just looks like crap. The in-game sprite doesn't seem to have this.

>>5769248
In other words is the bigger fish

>>5769251
I guess they edited it because it looked awful.
Kinda like they did with the Flame boi

>>5767467
DOOMSVILLE SUCKS!

For those asking about DOOM64 for PC here's what Kaiser has to say about it
>https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1155199947014324224

>>5769263
haha you silliy
Its already on PC

>>5769261
Now that I think about it,Fred in the first movie looks like a younger Doomguy

>>5767458
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc

AMC TC v3.5 was just released with a massive art overhaul

>>5769270
>Doomguy loves traps
oh

>>5769251
He's still dangerously low on melanin, can't be good for him. His skin shade should be closer to the cyberdemon's.

>>5769259

>>5767458
>[7-19] Tim Willits leaves id Software, after being at the company for 24 years
>https://twitter.com/TimWillits/status/1151870022421241857
Fuck, I can't believe I missed this. Do we still have anyone from the old times there?

>>5769275
he Hates it more than Barrels

>>5769285
Kevin and Donna are still there

>>5769285
There's still Donna Jackson the id mom there afaik.

>>5769280
Really prefer the old design tbqh. Old design looks creepier. Probably because it looks a lot more like a regular human but with fucked up attributes. New design looks like a generic alien bad guy wearing shoulder pads.

>>5769220
BloodEX release When!?
Update to BuildGDX WHEN?

>>5769294
Old looks slimy and malevolent
new looks like a warhammer reject

>>5768505
Fixed that grammar error.
Still a really cute one.

>>5769294
>New design looks like a generic alien bad guy wearing shoulder pads.
It's the CHITIN EVERYWHERE EVERYTIME design philosphy of the new games.

>>5769297
Blood Flesh Supply is BloodEX and it keeps getting updated.

>>5769294
Yeah, the new one definitely suffers from the busy overdesigned syndrome. The original looks pretty wacky though. I really like the sprites, the facial features are different there, even if they're less human. They knew how to do a simple, working design instead of slapping as much detail as they could.
That's besides thhe point, however. The old one, while fitting and good and all, is pretty ugly. I'd bang the new one, ngl tbqph senpai.

>>5769294
>>5769303
It alongside the new baron which is fucking weaksauce are the only two design revamps that don't quite work. Doom 3 did a much better job at capturing the old vile's presence and frame, and even that wasn't great.

>>5769309
>senpai
Fuck me, I can't believe I didn't know about that one.

>>5768918
>>5769213
You should see the latest Turok game that came out a few days ago. It's something alright.

>>5769251
I think the resulting sprite was for the better like that.
I do think it's a shame you can't see his six nipples though, that detail disappeared completely.

>>5769321
The what

>>5769294
They should bring Adrian back

Gotta wonder what happened to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONEy_ybKWsg

>>5769329
They should bring everyone back.

>>5769324

>>5769324
>>5769321
It looks cute,it's not a main installment but I would like a new Turok game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhpL4F3DkM

>>5769330
The nigger probably asked for a fuckload of money, and night dive told him to eat a dick.

>>5769308
Curious how far they'll take it. What's left to fix.

>>5769340
I'm not mad about it, just really fucking confused.
Though the gameplay looks lackluster.

>>5769294
I agree. I actually like that chitinous armor on some of the monsters, it looks great on the Baron IMO, but on the Arch-Vile it looks totally out of place, I much prefer the more disturbing and emaciated, cadaverish creepy boy, like a real big and lanky human who's all wrong and maybe even not alive proper.
Adrian, Sandy and Bobby really did an A+ job on the classic vile design. I almost wonder if he's loosely based on that one nightmare Sandy mentioned in that article.

That said, I am glad to see the Vile again, I hope he's a real bastard to fight, moving fast and making your life difficult, so that he puts the fear into a new generation of gamers.

>>5769343
It really came out of nowhere.

Meanwhile at Quakecon
>https://twitter.com/DUSKdev/status/1155193357527846912

>>5769309
I like how the archie model's actual face is that weird angry alien face, but then if you look at the sprite his face almost looks skeletal

>>5769317
You'd have to have some radical design changes to do classic revenant with higher fidelity.
Make them deceptively fast, touchy, and slipery. They move with a gait that makes them look impossing but also slower than they really are, and frequently feel objects and people with their hands, in a bad touch kind of way, while doing those whispery sounds demonic themed games like so much. They find dead demons abd touch their faces abd neck, it's never explicitly sexual but the sugestion is there. They laugh as people dies, abd they always take four or five seconds too many to blink. Make them look inherently off and out of place, to ensure the player doesn't miss them abd focuses on them in the battlefield. They have a grapple where their hands slide over your visor for a second or two (this is the time to escape the grapple) abd then they open a home in your suit abd fill it with fire.
Lastly, make it so when they're dead abd ragdollibg their hands have a super high chance to be pointing your way or directly in front of doors you have to use. Even when they're dead you can't escape their touch.

>>5769356
I wish firefox hadn't broke Twitter, half the time videos don't play proper and gifs are just non existant now, and I'll be damned if I'm switching to anything else

turns out the doom hunter has a shield, which might be when he's glowing blue, apparently
at least according to that gameplay stream
also, slayer keys are a thing

>>5769359
>a home
Fuck this phone.
A hole*

>>5769362
get brave browser you fool

>>5769332
Even Romero?

>>5769043
The issue is they switched from not enough color to way too fucking much.

It's like a 12 year old.
Anyway they ruined the asthetic nuDoom had going on, and they didn't hit the OG Doom aesthetic, they just bypassed it and are heading for retard ass Borderlands and Rage2 asthetic.
>YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT ONE WAY SO I'M GONNA GO WAAAYYYYYYYYY IN THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT'LL SHOW YOU HAHAHAHAHA XDDDDD

dumbfuck

>>5769380
Oh just fuck off