/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5744775
money my guy, not everyone can afford to be a collector. i would also prefer to have things simply , stealthily on my computer and not have the whole kit and caboodle out because i am an adult.

In the case of the SNES emulation might be the only choice in 15 years.

>>5744775
The same reason I watch old movies on youtube instead of purchasing the original reel and projector equipment

I do use real hardware - with a flashcart. That way I have the best of both worlds.

>>5744775
>terrible geometry
>reflections
>>5744782
They aren't failing at any kind of rate to matter and the cause of failure is more than likely the shit original power supply.

Convenience is the best most objective reason to emulate

>>5744782
In your dreams poorfag lmao.

>>5744806
>They aren't failing at any kind of rate to matter and the cause of failure is more than likely the shit original power supply.
Man, this has been well known for a while now that the first revision SNES (SHVC) seems to have a pretty serious problem with CPU failures.

>>5744816
Oh. Well fuck would I know. You think I know that nerd shit? Lol!

>>5744816
All that's known is that of the failed CPUs they are almost entirely the early revision. What isn't known is why. Also just because you have tens of examples online means literally nothing to the millions out there.

>>5744823
>What isn't known is why
It may be a packaging issue (ie. improper packaging causing moisture to get inside and corrode the die). Someone needs to decap one and get down to the bottom of them.

I never opened my SNES but the S/N leads me to believe it's a GPM board not an SHVC. It's not a 1Chip because it has the "soft" video output of the first two revisions.

>>5744827
I lean more to the power supply and or 3rd party supplies.

>>5744775
wow it's fucking beautiful....

The SNES chipset was pretty heavily integrated, the two main ICs do a lot of work. It may have taken a while before Nintendo/Ricoh got the fabrication process down pat. It is known that those SPPU-As have a serious DMA bug in them that can cause a system crash. Programmers were instructed to work around it. The bug was fixed in the SPPU-B but unfortunately all games still had to use the DMA workaround to ensure they'd run on every machine.

>>5744775
Convenience, price/availability, no chance of hardware failure

>>5744834
That's disproven because it's only the S-PPU-A models that have this issue.

>>5744858
The chips could be effected by it..

>effected

>>5744775
One device with all the selection you want, free of the responsibility of moving any number of physical copies.

>>5744863
You tried, champ.

>make one fucking spelling mistake and they make you pay for it for the rest of the thread

>>5744775
CRTs hurt my eyes and ears and I can't use CRT-Royale and other handy features with my consoles I'd also need to buy an entire set of everdrives to play with the rom patches I enjoy. Run-ahead entirely eliminates my LCD's lag in any game with at least one lag frame, which is nearly all of them.

>champ

>>5744791
>That way I have the best of both worlds.
You don't have the best. You have the pretty decent.

>>5744878
Oh come on, I didn't even misspell that one.

>>5744871
>... with the rom patches I enjoy.
Have any examples? I haven't found any I like aside from translations and the one that removes the blue outline around the character in Harmony of Dissonance. .

>>5744775
games are expensive friend

>>5744871
I don't think you can really hear CRT hum unless you're 10.

>>5744914
30, can't stand it after years without. 15.734 kHz is well within the range of human hearing.

>>5744843
>>5744858
My launch SNES from August 91 died not long after I got it and I had to have the PCB replaced. Playchoice 10 arcade cabs with the SHVC boards have also had CPU failure issues.

>>5744920
Lucky you. I had a SNES from a flea market in about 2006 and it died. Nintendo tech support just told me to get another one from Ebay.

>>5744926
>2006
>it's almost as if they'd long dropped tech support and service by that time

This thread turned hostile fast.

>>5744775
1. Games are free
2. Games are digital, don't take up any physical space
3. You can play any dumped game, massive library and you can obtain them easily.
4. You can use any controller you like.
5. You can use save states to help practice games. This also adds saving to games that lacked it.
6. You can use speed-up to help with slow games like RPGs.
7. You can easily play modded games, translated games, games with QoL enhancements, etc.
8. You can very easily record or stream your gameplay without the need for capture hardware.

>>5744939
>This also adds saving to games that lacked it.
That would be cheating though?

SNES will outlast CDs, there's no widespread SNES failure. Most SNES systems are perfectly fine, the most common problem the SNES suffers from is a brittle power jack, which is a non-issue easily circumvented by either replacing it with a more durable one, or plugging your SNES in carefully.

If you're dead serious about preservation however, open your systems up and learn how to clean circuitry.

>>5744934
It's 4chan, and it's a heated topic. Purists and emulatorfags usually don't really associate with each other much either.

>>5744952
There's farts in her gloves.

>>5744953
They do in the speedrunning community :-)

Most aren't playing romhacks on flash carts.

>>5744952
>there's no widespread SNES failure
You can go and look around on different gaming sites but the SHVC CPU issue has been well known for some time. If you have a newer revision model though, you shouldn't have anything much to worry about.

Aren't there some special shader and resolution hacks for some titles or emulation programs? I pretty sure I've seen such for OOT and some PS2 titles. This is to say nothing of all the console hits with PC releases.

>>5744951
If you only have 30 minutes to play at a time you can break up long games into multiple sessions. That's not really cheating. But the save states are there to use how you like. If you want to savescum through a game, you can. If you want to practice specific sections of levels or bosses, you can do that too. But if you never want to use save states you don't have to. They're also handy just for skipping boot up sequences and opening cinematics especially on 32-bit consoles.

There's certain cases where save states are acceptable like with Section-Z as a compensation for the save game feature from the FDS version that was lost in the cartridge release.

>>5744974
If you just want to make a quick save of that point in a level to use later then you'll have most of the room to use them. Make the most of them, however. Don't forget to save often!

>>5744951
This, a lot of retro games were made to be played until you understand the game's mechanics and controls, so savescumming will circumvent the very idea these games were built on.

I've died a billion times in Contra on the first level because I sucked at it, but I kept going at it every single day until I managed to beat it in one go. I remember Contra very fondly, while games I've savescummed I can't really talk about beyond core mechanics.

The SHVC SNES could be the least reliable major retro console around.

>>5744990
Except that it is a meme projected by retarded forums with no real basis in reality
It's just hoarder ghost stories

I bet he also thinks the Xbox 360 RROD was an urban legend.

>>5744951
They're designed to make a tiny bit of content last a kid months so they seem worth the ~$100. People today have no shortage of games so repeating the same parts is often undesirable.

>>5744881
but flashcarts are superior to normal cartridges

>>5744775
Free and less hassle. I'm on my PC, I go to my emulation folder and play fucking games...if I want to play my actual SNES, I have to take it out, hook it up, hope it works and then if any slight jostling to the system happens the console dies...so no. You get to sit there and think about me owning a NES, SNES and PSX, but never actually using them anymore because emulation is better.

>>5744990
>>5744858
>>5744827
>>5744816
>>5744782
ITT: Reddit told me the SNES CPU fails.

Try Googling "snes cpu failure".

>>5745012
Don't even bother. He's just going to keep spewing Reddit memes like he did in >>5744995

how could I have ever afforded weed in college if I didn't sell my collection

>>5745012
>snes cpu failure
3rd result is reddit. Good job retard. Seems to be the only result on the first page that mentions it too. Go figure.

@5745020
@5745007
Isn't avatarfagging a bannable offense?

>>5745018
>>5745007
>>5745020
Getting real tired of this "Anyone who expresses an opinion I don't like is from Reddit" meme.

>>5745028
Nice attempt at boogymanning. Though you probably just read this trash off the 3rd link here and assumed it's real.

>>5745028
Not my fault. There's lots of Google results when you search for "snes cpu failure" which he ignored and focused immediately on Reddit probably because it fit his agenda/biases.

>>5745037
>looking at the top results of google means I'm trying to fit it into my biases
I had to try reall hard there, kiddo.

/v/-tier thread

http://projectvb.com/nss/logs.htm

This guy reports having encountered 24 SNESes with bad CPUs. He does also note that the SNES doesn't have a voltage regulator like the NES does so it could be more sensitive to voltage fluctuations caused by dirty power (like if you have an old home with a less-than-modern electrical system).

http://projectvb.com/nss/logs.htm

This guy reports having encountered 24 SNESes with bad CPUs. The Super System doesn't have a voltage regulator like the standard SNES so it may be more prone to voltage fluctuations.

>why aren't you a hoarder like me?!

>>5745048
>>5745053
He's talking about the arcade snes not a normal console snes. He specifically even says the one Super Famicom he had is for testing cpus FOR the arcade...

>>5745060
Pay careful attention. He's referring to both SS and normal SNESes, not just the former.

>-Statistics: While working with Super System and SNES motherboards, I came across 24 bad CPUs, 4 bad PPU1s, 4 bad PPU2s, 1 bad APU, and no bad WRAMs or VRAMs... if you suspect either a bad CPU or WRAM, I'd say odds are better that the CPU is bad.

>>5745064
>http://projectvb.com/nss/logs.htm
You read it idiot. See his repair log. It's all the arcade boards.

http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=8&threadid=91278

I agree here. The NES doesn't have many issues outside the cartridge slot and the N64 seems near-indestructible.

>>5744881
??? It's the real hardware experience without taking up all that space.

>>5744782
>he doesn't know about the super nt

>>5744775
Instant gratification of portability, no money, and access
I hope you actually know this and you're asking from a philosophical perspective
If so, that answer is = everybody on the planet has their own reasons

>>5745003
There's something nice about having the real cartridge of a good quality game, just stay focused on that one game for a minute, soak up all the enjoyment

>>5745073
Then again, the NES has a goddamn awful cartridge slot, and of the 3 NES systems I've owned in my life, all 3 of them barely, if ever worke until I caved and installed a BLW replacement.

>>5745114
Every hobby is retarded, why go fishing if you're throwing the fish back, why collect stamps if they're just for show, why build dollhouses if you're too old to play with them, why collect books?
There's nothing wrong with game collecting, it's just like any other hobby, just make sure you keep it within reasonable limits, and it doesn't consume your living space.

To me personally, it's authenticity, I've missed out on a lot of great console games because I was mainly a PC gamer as a kid, I want to experience the exact same thing people experienced when these games came out.

>>5745171
Why grow vegetables when you can buy them at the store, etc.

>>5744775
For a cleaner image convolution matrix.
For having fewer devices plugged in.
For cost savings.

>>5745073
Surprised the N64 is so bulletproof for what a Rube Goldberg design it is.

>>5745186
Unfortunate but the SNES's reliability was probably compromised by trying to do too many features in as few chips as possible.

>>5745196
About the same chip count as the NES with 4-5x the amount of stuff going on.

>>5745179
Growing the vegetables will make vegetables that are actually different than store ones and you can be sure they don't have chemicals.
>>5745171
It's fun to catch fish and every fish is different.
Stamps, dollhouses, and books can't be enjoyed by copying their exact contents onto a flashcart. Video games can.

>>5745235
There's fishing games online, there's virtual dollhouses, and you can buy ebooks, and all of them can be pirated so why bother?

>>5744775
Meh, true 240p output on a real, big Trinitron CRT on a high end x86 emulation box via VGA is good enough.
Free games, no mess, just two clicks and I'll be playing any game I want.

Keep seething.

>>5745278
>Free games, no mess, just two clicks
and a shit load of input lag

>>5745287
You're probably just configuring your system wrong. You should find a nice tech to set it up for you.

>>5745287
Run-ahead completely eliminates it for any game with at least one lag frame, which is most. Super Mario World runs three frames behind so it's less laggy than on a SNES.

>>5745293
saturn has 3 frames on top of what the original had and good luck with run ahead on that

>>5745296
I have an actual Saturn and the few games I care about. I'm not a copyright infringer, I just prefer the convenience of emulation most of the time.

>>5744775
I agree playing on original hardware is best.

Ill always play on original except for these reasons.
>some old games are fucking expensive
>some arent translated.
>ease of use, i can switch between games/consoles all thru a few clicks
>wireless

Think thats about it. Also what if you download the .exe from the web but play on original 98 PC :O!

>>5744775
If you're young, poor, have low standards, and your mommy won't let you have a CRT in your room emulation is hands down the best option

>>5744775
games are to be played, not stored. The only game that I have paid for was my PSP 1000 that I bought back in 2006, and I still keep it till today and emulate GBA or PS1 games on it. Not to mention the PSP itself has a good ammount of worthy titles to play. So yeah, emulating gives you more space to play different types of games without being forced to buy all the needed equipment.

>>5745319
good thing people invented flash carts/custom firmware

>>5745073
The composite audio on my nes no longer works (yes I've tried different cables)

>>5745351
Bad or loose connection in there? Try not violently wiggling cables around when you connect or disconnect them.

http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=8&threadid=155838

Cracked solder joint. Took two seconds of Google searching to solve your problem.

>>5745287
Nope, I actually have LESS input lag in some systems than THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM did.
Beat that, seething retard.

>>5745375
Not to mention, real RAMDAC VGA with a actual CRT, still does perfect 240p and 480p though.

>>5745382

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

^^^^^^^^^^
Who gives a shit, I like them and they are great for old content.
Tool for the job.

Also seething retard, pic related.

>The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
This is how you spot a zoomer, as far as CRTs go, FW900 had to make several compromises for being widescreen, it's literally one of the worst CRTs you can get. Plus why would you even want widescreen for content that wasn't widescreen?
Modern flat panels are better for modern content and better than CRTs in every way for said modern content, while FW900 is bad for both old and modern content.

>>5745382
Point being, no additional DP/HDMI and flat panel lag that way.

You sure look stupid now. Just according to keikaku ;)

>>5744775
Minimalism. Having all of my favorite games playable on one box is more desirable to me than swapping out consoles or creating a rat's nest of switchers.

>>5745389
Lel

>>5744775
As a real hardware and crt guy I apologize for this faggot's poor bait. I think he's just jealous that others might actually play games rather than use them for photo shoots. Flash carts are essential unless you have a collector fetish.

Emulation is really cool if you are willing and able to handle configuring it, which I do. My normie friends, however, are too impatient and n00b to handle even basic emulator settings.

I like real hardware AND emulation. I never had a computer as a kid all the way up through HS and only discovered emulation ~2006 and back then I was still using a CRT monitor.
Emulation helps you find more games to play without buying them. That being said, I also never sold my old systems and still have most of my old games.

Not Retro, but PCSX2 is a garbage emulator. So I just got a 500GB hard drive for my real PS2 and play the games on that. Emulation is basically a cult at this point its fucking scary.

>>5745507
Real hardware is a cult.
Emulation is a cult.
Handhelds are a cult.
Fanboys of X are a cult.
Fanboys or Z are a cult.

Who gives a shit, stop giving them cult status, do the shit you like and want.

Emulation is piracy, plain and simple. If you can afford the games there's just no reason to be a scumbag and emulate them.

>>5745432
>Flash carts are essential...
No.

>>5745780
It's legal to download ROMs you own.

>>5745293
>Run-ahead completely eliminates it for any game with at least one lag frame
Nope.

>>5745784
Tell that to Nintendo lmao.

>>5745794
You can dump your own too.
Plus Nintendo can't do shit even when you do pirate them, they can shut down distributors, not those who own them or download them.

>>5745797
>it's okay as long as you don't get caught
Nice mental gymnastics over there.

>>5745810
Citation. Nobody said that.

>>5744951
is there a rule somewhere that say you cant cheat?
you dumbass fuckin boyscout

>>5745019
afforded?

>>5744775
The last few ps1 jarpigs that I've purchased have stopped working about 10-15 hours in. I'm done buying retro games.

>>5745874
>The last few ps1 jarpigs that I've purchased have stopped working about 10-15 hours in
huh?

>>5745892
Scratched cds

It's called a PSIO, son.

>>5744775
I just can't believe all the people that claim they actually beat a game with an emulator. Like, ypu didn't actually play the game, you sat through and approximation of what ot was like to play that game.

>>5745898
While still finishing all the gameplay mechanics/elements/events that require a person to go from the start of the game to the end of the game. Son, are you on the spectrum?

>>5745908
Are you?
>lol it's the same
So a modern computer has the exact same specs as a super nintendo? It has the same limitations? The same controller with the exact same input latency? Processes video the exact same way? Get real, kid. Your monitor is 4 times the resolution and has refresh lag.

>>5745930
>>5745925
This input lag meme passed its sell date a while ago and should be sent home to Reddit from whence it came.

TB H I'd rather pirate than buy from eBay scalpers. Simple as.

>>5744775
Money and space. Many of the better retro games are ungodly expensive and cartridges, consoles, and CRT TVs take up a lot of space. I live in a tiny apartment and can barely fit what I have now.

>>5745035
>boogymanning
That is LITERALLY what you did right here>>5745028. Jesus fucking christ dude, have some self-awareness.

>>5746169
>Money and space
This. I'm poor as shit and my tiny apartment reflects that.

>>5745004
The good thing about having low standards is that you save a lot of money.

>>5745935
Despite run ahead input lag's still inconsistent and audio lag is still shit.

This board is filled with collectors. They spend a lot of time and money trying to recapture their childhood, (or the childhood they wanted but never had.) They take it very personally when someone more casual than them tries to shove emulators in their face.
>"Look at this, it's way better than your old crap, and it's free!"
It's totally missing the point of what they really enjoy from this hobby. They're going to push back. Hard.

>>5746294
Maybe stop being a little bitch and act like an adult?

>>5744775
>segafag
Yikes!

>>5745935
sorry, the reddit boogeyman can't save you from input lag

https://github.com/libretro/beetle-saturn-libretro/issues/36

>>5746414
keep whining
if you can't adapt to some input lag then you're a fucking faggot

>>5746417
you know a lot of saturn games run like trash at 20fps and input lag stacks?

>>5746171
Think you need to learn what it meant in that context. Instead of arguing absolutes, assburgers

I'm considering getting an AV Famicom to break my life long habit of emulation. Rockman cartridges are just too cute.

>>5746429
Do it, faggert. You have nothing to lose besides dignity.

>>5746421
>Saturn is actually shit
Truly a collector fag console

>>5746421
>>5746435
>PALshit represents all Saturn games

Autism: The Thread

>>5745787
[Citation needed]
I bet you haven't even rented a slow motion camera to test yourself.

>>5747660
Indeed. I rather just enjoy my games in the emulator that jerk off to the way you're supposed to play them.

Whats the best way to mod the ps classic, just go to whatever bleemsync classic website after unzipping retroarch on it or what? Want to use it for nes and psx stuff. Tutorials are all over the place but so far haven't found one with a step by step for emulation.

>>5746294
Wrong actually, I try to emulate both the experience that people had playing the game in the '90s, as well as give myself a reason to finish certain games, I paid for it after all.

Games I don't love I sell or trade on cons to get games I do love. I use emulators a ton to figure out whether or not a game is worth owning to avoid overpaying for something I won't be playing.

Emulators are here to stay and they are good for retro gaming, emulatorfags don't buy the physical copies, but still played the game and know their shit.

want to collect more but am poorfag. you guys have any tips? I own like 20 systems and around a 100 games. Is this at least average for a collector? everything I gathered since my childhood

>>5747982
The patrician's opinion.

>>5745894
>Not owning your childhood disc's that you took obsessively good care of for years.

Whew lad.

>>5748143
It's fine. My suggestion would be to get flash carts and only get your absolute favorites.

>>5744914
>>5744919
You should be able to hear 15kHz if you haven't fucked your ears at 30 and even 40+. The trick is there's no reason it HAS to be loud enough to be a distraction. Certain tubes are just really prone to super loud flyback noise.
The worst I've ever heard was the metal box BBC Micro monitors used in the UK. Imagine an entire classroom full of them with your sensitive youthful ears.

>>5744775
>Why would you emulate instead of playing the real games?
For the same reason I pirate movies rather than building a home theater complete with projector and popcorn machine.
I'm not a slave to nostalgia.

>>5745830
It's a word, and it's correct.

>>5745898
Simulacres et Simulation

>>5744775
Convenience and getting to play old console games on a handheld system (that's portable) are my big reasons. Also I hate CRTs and my collection of games was worth a pretty penny when I sold them.

>>5746417
Let frame number of the time you get hit by an enemy = tH
Let the frame number of the first frame you have to react to something = tF
Let lag frames = L

if tH - tF >= L game is /literally/ unplayable and no amount of "git gud" and "cope" will fix that.

>>5748604
What are some games this applies to? It used to he rumored that Punch Out was unbeatable emulated due to lag but that's been widely disproven. Are there any that are known to be legitimately impossible?

Old hardware can die.

/thread

Modern PC running a emulator over VGA on a CRT and a wired controller has less lag than even 8-bit consoles did.
Cope harder, autists.

>>5748615
None. I wish someone would go around to conventions and setup a few displays with various total delays to show people the difference.

I can entirely see 30+ms being noticeable if that is your monitor alone. I can also understand when you have a few things all with separate delay adding to a larger total. I can even relate to variable delay (hd CRT anyone lol)

I can not at all understand someone talking about a crt/lcd (of the last few years) and an emulator. Or and OSSC/lcd delay. I can't at all get my head around people not only fucking sucking so much at games, but pretending they notice imperceptible amounts of delay.

>>5744954
>her

>>5744775
Because I can eliminate slowdowns, input lag, and have save states

>>5750270
this. and you can have ROM hacks/fan translations and shaders aswell. it's also overall more convenient

>>5744775
Since this is the most relevant thread for this topic:
What is the best way to nig playing games on an N64? A flashcart, I'm assuming, but which is the best one?

>>5750271
Can't you also do that with a flash cart?

>>5744775
>hurr durr why would you do things differently from me?!
Take your meds, retard

>>5744775
>why would you play thousands of games in a way that's close enough to the original experience that even speedrunning autists usually allow it...for free...when you could spend thousands of dollars on stuff that will take up a ton of space?