/vr/ - Retro Games

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>Why can't everyone be as 1337 as me and play my favourite game
post.

Quake isn't dead, so what the fuck are you complaining about? If you don't like CS, don't play it. You're not special for preferring twitch shooters and I guarantee you'd get creamed at playing CS, despite it apparently being "easy" and "casual".

Now come on, fuck off.

Yeah i am sure thats exactly what they said in their IRC chats, not that they wanted to try something different it was that quake was too hard :^)

>>5741515
based

>>5741529
>>5741530
>>5741530
zoomers
>>5741534
real retro gamer

>>5741515
>In an attempt of trying to invent a product that as many people as possible can consume.
Yeah, that's usually the goal. Unless it's a passion project, just about any dev will try to attract as many players as possible. Why would they not want profit?

>>5741515
Games are meant to be fun and being good at them isn't a particularly useful or admirable skill. Go complain about pwning n00bs with some other fat fucks.

>>5741540
It was a mod, so it wasn't about profit. It was just about making a game people would enjoy, and they did. OP is arrogant enough to think everyone should like the same games as him, but that's because he is a fag.

>>5741547
>>5741543
>>5741540
>>5741530
>>5741529
>i don't like quake. halo, cs, unreal, tribes, tf, et are better and take more skill.

>>5741553
Ok.
>>5741540
Please point out where in my post I said Quake was bad, or any game was better.

>>5741515
>>>/v/470599501
>>>/v/470603815
>>>/v/470605389

Crossposting.
Imagine being this assblasted about video games.

>>5741515
Fuck off. Quake is shit, always has been.

>>5741564
>>5741563
kys casuals cs was never good.

quake takes more skill than arcade games.

bump.

>>5741553
Is your life really that empty that you think spending a significant portion of your time getting better at video games is a worthwhile investment?

yep more casuals whining.

>>5741562
Still waiting on response.

THIS PLACE IS NOT FUCKING /V/
TAKE YOUR SHITTY /V/ THREADS, YOUR SHITTY /V/ BAIT, AND YOUR SHITTY /V/ WOJAKS TO /V/ AND STAY THERE, YOU AREN'T FUCKING WELCOME HERE FAGGOTS

just admit your game is casual.

>>5741754
WAH WAH WHY /v/ HATES POP GARBAGE?

in/v/aders go home

>slow movement
>random aim
>team based
>no verticality

basically it's quake for noobs. PROVE ME WRONG.

Counterstrike fags are pathetic. The Smashbros of shooters

>>5741781
I can't even think of a more obnoxious analogy for a quake fag.

Every quake forum or twitch stream is filled with east europeans mongoloids whining about how their dying game is the most skillful and galaxy brained thing since chess. It's a sad existence.

>muh projectiles
>muh powerup timings

UT99 is better than both

>>5741840
ok casual.

Stop replying to obvious /v/ bait you losers. Sage, report, and hide the thread.

>saying that cs is the casual garbage that ruined gaming is bait.
nice deflecting.

bump.

Quake? Counterstrike? How bout I'm playin none of them

imagine not playing the game with highest sill ceiling. imagine not playing quake. fucking zoomers.

>>5742171
*skill ceiling

>>5741515
>play Quake Live
>only play Clan Arena mode
>used to play Counter-Strike
Nobody respects me. Top 1,000 in North America though

FUCK CS AND CSTRANIES

A lot of those complaints also apply to the Team Fortress mod for Quake, which was tremendously popular and still has players today. Were TF players casuals too?

>>5742182
Nobody respects CA gorillas and for good reason, they killed QL.

>>5743132
>most popular game mode killed the game

>>5743145
Obviously the best way to play quake is to play the most obscure game mode, on the most obscure version with fewest players. The fact that no one else plays it, immediately makes them retards and me super special for caring about it at all.

>>5741515
personally I find CS more difficult than quake but it still sucks that the gameplay moved away from rocket jumps and scifi weapons and most of all FUN, to autistic crouching headshot shit
fuck CS

>>5743145
>let's give the players weapons they don't deserve, stack that they didn't earn and the possibility to jump into fights they wouldn't otherwise find
Yes, it killed the game, it drove people away from FFA, CTF and TDM. It's made for retards that want to play counter strike round based trash with space guns. Having downtime in an arena shooter is completely retarded.

>>5743349
youre just too stupid to learn different strategies for different modes it sounds like

>>5741515
I will never understand why arena retards think CS is no skill. It is basically the Starcraft of fps games. The amount of strategy involved in competitive CS shits ALL OVER arena games. The proper use of flashes and smokes and the elaborate ways they can be used is just too much for arena zoomers to handle I guess. Then you factor in the raw aiming potential and you have a game with a far higher skill cap than any arena game.

>>5741535
>real retro gamer
>uses the zoomer term based
Pick one kid

>>5741515
>me love arena fps
>zoom zoom :)

>>5741515
>post picture of text
>rewrite text from picture and post it along with picture
What was OP hoping to achieve with this?

>>5743507
He wants everyone to read his extra-long rants so he screencaps his own posts

>>5741515
t. assblasted arenafag who cant cope that his shitty genre is dead

>>5741515
Yup

fuck off niggers stop defending casual strike. this place is dead.

take your low effort trolling to /v/ please

>>5741515
Counterstrike was made in a time where having a better computer gave you a ridiculous advantage. This was actually a major issue in Doom and Quake, it was the original pay-to-win. Believe me, I was there, when I got a good computer to hit high frames on those at top resolutions I went from good to fucking unstoppable.

>>5741515
>>5741535
>>5741553

I actually hate Counter-Strike with every fibre of my living. It is an absolute dogshit game that every friend of mine had tried to rope me in but I never understood the point of. It was a counter-terrorism game but without the tactics of something like SWAT or OG Rainbow Six. Yet it was also a competitive shooter. It was such a mishmash of genre that became popular for trigger happy zoomer and it pisses me off every single fucking day and is the reason garbage like Rainbow Six Siege exists which shits on the legacy of the original.
Yet somehow
I hate this fucking retarded autistic posting of yours even fucking more and you fucking clogging up the 4chan catalog with this crap.
You didn't ruin the anniversary of jack crap. Zoomers don't care about that crap.Your autism is only ruining threads for games I actually fucking enjoy, barely anyone on /v/ even cares or talks about Counter Strike.
Fuck off this board and never come back ever again. You are genuinely pissing me off. I am sick with fucking Pneumonia and this thread is angering me to the point of my temperature going above 50 fucking degrees. The thread I started earlier died because of your autism. Just fuck off.

Anyone of you guys wanna convert this into a Darklands thread so we can actually talk about something good instead of this zoomer shit?

And no one can't say why cs was good. Sad csfags.

>>5744150
This is now a Darklands and Spellcross thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTLwxWFt5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnOkYygLx08

zoomers deflecting again, admit your game is casual.

>>5744159
>>5744170

Fuck off, Zoomer.
Quake, Wolfenstein, Doom are the most normalfag of all fucking FPS. That's how faggots like Sgt Mark can make mods that appeal to zoomer and why you'll see faggots screech out "RIP AND TEAR xD" Stop talking about them like the fucking normalfag that you are. You faggots keep saying "MUH FPS IS BETTER THAN YOURS"
No they are all trash. Shut the fuck up and talk about the superior Western RPGs and Western Tactics game instead of your trash FPS games. You are the fucking shit that is killing /v/ and /vr/
Zoomer FPS < FPS <<<< Trash < Western RPGs
Quit your fucking obsession and talk about normal shit you fucking faggot instead of compensating for your small dick.

>>5744165
Does anyone know where to find Spellcross' original Czech/Slovak version? I heard the English version was dumbed down and turned to shit because the publishers were scared of making the game too difficult and afraid of scaring off potential customers.

I'd prefer playing the original, anyone know where I can find it?

>>5744109
>This was actually a major issue in Doom and Quake, it was the original pay-to-win. Believe me, I was there, when I got a good computer to hit high frames on those at top resolutions I went from good to fucking unstoppable.
If you really believe this it's embarrassingly obvious you never left casual-land the whole time. Making sure you hit the maximum fps was not hard if you lowered resolution and graphics. Lowered resolution on the other hand is not a problem and many pros play on 640x480.

defending cs is zoomer behavior.

>>5744159
counter strike is fun for the same reason basketball is fun. its a structured competitive game. Hopping in a server and laying waste to everyone isn't playing fucking counter strike. Counter strike is meant to be played 5v5 match of 30 rounds and the first to win 16 rounds wins. The two sides T and CT can be broken down to offense and defense like football or baseball or whatever and each player on each side plays their role. Having roles like a designated sniper is also fun and is also why you can't compare it to solo games and why it wouldn't work as such. Its round based because the objective is to win rounds not to score frags but to complete the objective and is also timed so it adds pressure on the offense to make plays. The monetary system adds an entire layer of strategy everybody starts the game round 1 or round 15 when you switch sides with $800 and a starting pistol the economy is a deep system where you can money fuck yourself if you try buying a gun every round instead of playing it safe and giving up a round to the opponent but maybe getting some pistol kills to build your money back up, who knows you might get lucky and win, also buying an expensive gun like an AWP is a big decision to make when you have limited rounds to work with. You actually have to use your utility intelligently like smoking mid on dust 2 so you dont get shot through the doors, or terrorists smoking down long A by the CT spawn so they have cover on the way to the bomb site, boucing flashbangs in really sneaky ways. Ive been playing FPS since the dos days and counter strike is a great game which I thought was kind of boring and didnt have lasting appeal until i understood how its to be played. If you go play in a league or on ladders its a lot of fun, public servers just shitting all over noobs isnt fun or really how its meant to be played. Maybe I like it because I played sports and im not a total shut in who knows. cs 1.6 is cozy af


>>5744150
shut the fuck up retard

>>5744212
>Hopping in a server and laying waste to everyone isn't playing fucking counter strike.

This is exactly what CS was for the overwhelming majority of players until CSGO matchmaking came along. I mean sure, you had clans and matches on BarrysWorld/GOA/GameSpy/whatever, but for pretty much everyone the daily CS experience was FFA so it's pretty weird to claim that the "structured competitive" aspect is the core of the game and what made it fun to its playerbase.

>>5744212
No YOU shut the fuck up.
I made several Darkland and X-File threads on /v/ which both got sizeable fucking replies. And you of course fucking posted one of your fucking copy pasta threads and fucking got mine deleted. Your threads are a literal fucking waste when better threads could happen, that fucking X-Com thread got all the boomers together posting webms of CSM and talking about the show and the vidya it spawned, yet your fucking thread ruined it. And I won't even talk about the Darklands thread I started that finally got /v/ to talk about one good game, then your thread deleted it. Not to mention you're talking about CS. A game which is not retro in the slightest, this thread oughta be banned for breaking the fucking rules.
I hate you pseudo-boomer zoomer fucks that never played a Boomer game until it was "cool" to like them. Before you faggots used to tell people like me "gee anon, you like retro games? Ha ha what a faggot, go back to your rocking chair grandpa"
Yeah fuck you.
I was raised in Communist Czechia, retro games was all I fucking had. I lived the boomer life, I played Darklands, I played Spellcross, I played X-Com, I played Doom, I played it all.
What the fuck did you play in your childhood faggot? You think CS, Quake and Doom is all there is to retro? Is that all you think?
Leave this fucking board, I went to this board specifically to avoid your copypasta and people like (you).
As I fucking said, I could give a rat's ass about CS. Every fucking friend of mine convinced me to play that fucking game, and I played it and disliked it. You wanna promote Quake? Start up servers, get people interested, make videos promoting it, get all your fucking pseudo-boomer friends and boomers to actually play new servers.
But no you'd rather waste your time on a Chinese Mongolian board to yell and insult at people who hate the game as much as you do but would rather not talk about it.
Fuck you go and back to fucking reddit.

>>5743976
Lol casual strike. Arena fps are for gay faggot zoomers who like to zoom around at high speeds to get their adrenaline fix.

>>5744150
>It was a counter-terrorism game but without the tactics of something like SWAT or OG Rainbow Six.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH CASUAL DETECTED

>>5744227
i didnt make this thread i was defending why i thought it was a good game and my family was poor too I was always a console generation behind i had NES when SNES was out and a SNES when all my friends had 64s. If your thread was so good it wouldn't have got bumped off bud. You think youre some fucking bad ass because you were forced to play retro and that everyone else is a zoomer faggot neck yourself commie nigger

>>5744220
most of my friends hung out on IRC and played PUGs some more serious ones would have ESEA accounts

>>5744263
>Casual because I like better and harder games like SWAT and OG Rainbow Six
Yeah no fuck you.

>>5744276
Oh my bad, I thought you were OP. My bad. Well listen, I don't HATE CS as much as I hate what it stands for in the modern gaming industry. The original mod is "okay" at best (I preferred Action Half-Life), but the sudden spike in popularity I just find retarded. It's fine if you enjoy it, but if you enjoy CS:GO. I can't fucking understand that, I just dislike people that overrate it or in OP's case act like it's controversial to think that it's garbage. CS 1.6 was okay at best, CS:GO is garbage. That's the way I see it.
>You think youre some fucking bad ass because you were forced to play retro
No, I wasn't forced to play retro you retard, but I just hate pseudo-Boomers that think they are bad ass because they play Boomer games. That's my problem here. OP is a pseudo-boomer because he thinks it's controversial to think that CS is trash. It isn't. Lots of people on this board hold that opinion. He keeps spamming vidya-related boards because he thinks the opinion is controversial when in reality it's just generic. He thinks that copying the same copypasta about how much he hates CS will get him praise when in reality he's just a faggot because he kills off any good threads, and that's why I am pissed at him and anyone who defends him, again. Sorry you got caught in the crossfire, but at this point I am just livid at faggots like him.
>neck yourself commie nigger
Well you started out polite then went passive-aggressive and then went full on aggressive. First off
>Implying I am commie
No way fag, I lived through that hell. I am right-wing as shit and I am loyal to the old monarchy and the Czechoslovak Legion (which BTFO'd the commies) and the democracy started by Masaryk. Don't lump me together with the Commie Czech degenerates. Second off, I admitted my mistake, now you admit yours. Fuck off.

>>5744227
Nice pasta bruv

>>5744302
>Implying OP's post isn't a pasta

>>5744301
Cs beta and 1.6 had really fun feeling guns and sound effects and models. I think that was the main draw and its grw ast if you cant get far into the gameplay curve. I think the gameplay was always mediocre.

>>5744301
Competitive CS takes massive dumps all over each and every one of those games

>>5744307
>Cs beta and 1.6 had really fun feeling guns and sound effects and models. I think that was the main draw and its grw ast if you cant get far into the gameplay curve. I think the gameplay was always mediocre.
I agree. That's pretty much the same opinion. It was a good Half-Life mod, nothing more nothing else. Really I can't blame it for having mediocre gameplay because it was in the GoldSource engine, which has never actually had excellent gameplay. That's why I criticise people overpraising it but also people over criticising it. Really the game that SHOULD be the target criticism is CS:GO here.

>>5744316
>Competitive CS takes massive dumps all over each and every one of those games
Ah yes, of course. The game that requires pure luck and exploits with mediocre gameplay caused by the engine is better than the game that requires actual tactical decisions. Fuck off, zoomer.

>>5744321
>Ah yes, of course. The game that requires pure luck and exploits with mediocre gameplay caused by the engine is better than the game that requires actual tactical decisions.
You just demonstrated that you have no idea what you are talking about.
>fuck off zoomer
You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself

>>5744330
>You just demonstrated that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Literally prove me wrong. Give me one good reason why the more realistic tactical gameplay that attracts a nice audience is somehow more "casual" than the most popular FPS game that's still popular to Zoomers to this day? You have yet to give a single argument other than posting Wojaks and telling me I am a casual dumbass whilst arguing for a far more popular game that everyone on the fucking planet plays.

>>5744350
>the more realistic tactical gameplay that attracts a nice audience

What game are you talking about?

>>5744378
SWAT and the original Rainbow Six (not Siege) games. That's what I talked about in the original posts.
If you mistook me for OP, I am not him. I am criticising OP as well, I am pretty much criticising both people that overpraise and overhate CS. As I said in my previous posts. CS 1.6 was a decent mod that is ultimately pushed back by the limitations of it's engine and the fact it was a formula developed by a small team of passionate creators. CS:GO is ultimately the worst thing ever because it took CS 1.6 and barely upgraded it other than making it shinier and making it more casual. CS and CS:GO aren't the pinnacle of hardcore game design like >>5744263
>>5744316 is implying, but it isn't the worst thing ever that casualised FPS games like OP is implying (although CS:GO did casualise FPS games, but again, not CS 1.6).

>>5744384
Ah, okay. I started playing CS when I was 12 (back in 2002) and while I had Rainbow Six for free with my PC never bothered to play it; I suppose I should get round to trying it now. I would actually argue CSGO has made CS less casual rather than more, since matchmaking has become the default over FFA, rewarding tactical play to a much greater extent. It's also really evident how tactical CS has become if you compare pro matches nowadays to those from fifteen years ago, the level of thought that goes into modern strats is just something else.

>>5744350
The irony of shitting on CS for being slow and then shilling r6/swat is a mega kek.

>>5744398
I see your point, I personally disagree that match-making made it less casual. And pro-matches just don't seem really tactical to me, maybe I am watching the wrong ones but it just seems like people raging over the actual hit rate of the gun which I heard is a large criticism of the game, maybe I am just not looking in the right places. But each to their own. Also yeah do try the original Rainbow Six, it's good, although hasn't aged as well as SWAT. Please don't play Siege, that's a shitty game.

>>5744428
Can you ACTUALLY give a fucking argument for why you think I am wrong? Also did you read my fucking post? I literally said SWAT and R6 are slower and more tactical. Are you fucking brain damaged? Are you illiterate? Or are you just OP LARPing as a Counter-Strike fan to make CS fans look equally as retarded as OP because >>5741515 know that you can't counter-argue my claims?

>>5744441
You're such a retarded fucking zoomer that it honestly leaves me dumbfounded. ZOOM ZOOM in your ZOOM ZOOM game. ZOOM ZOOM GO SO FAST IN THE ARENA ZOOM ZOOM

>>5743485
Anybody with half a brain and decent in the other actual game modes can figure out how to play that garbage mode.
>get rid of pickups
>get rid of timing
>give everyone all weapons and 300 health
Sounds familiar? It's made for CS retards.

5744892
You are so illiterate and lacking in reading comprehension that it honestly leaves me dumbfounded.
You are literally calling me a zoomer that likes faster games when you I am the one who is saying that I think SWAT is superior to CS BECAUSE it's slower. Yet you're the one shilling CS because it's a faster game.

Still no argument as to how SWAT and R6 (not even Siege R6) are worse than CS? Right gotcha.
Also when the fuck did I say I was an Arenafag? I literally insulted Arenas in my first post. Why are you saying I like fast games? I literally said I preferred SWAT and R6 over CS BECAUSE it's more tactical and slower than CS. Are you fucking dumb? The literal speed for SWAT is walking 24/7, in CS the literal speed is fucking sprinting. That's not realistic for a counter-terrorrist group. So why the fuck would I be a zoomer that prefers speed when I literally prefer SWAT for being slower?

Are you actually fucking retarded and somehow mistaking me for OP? When I've literally been insulting OP for the entire thread? I am this fucking anon >>5744150 >>5744165 >>5744175 >>5744227 in case you've got the memory of a goldfish. I've been insulting OP for the whole thread yet you're STILL thinking I am OP.

I am done replying. This is literally just bait. Anyone with a brain that has been following my posts will know I've been insulting OP and have been calling both Arenas and CS trash and have only been praising stuff like SWAT or Western RPGs.
I won't even give you a (you), faggot.

Also sage. Because fuck this thread. I tried to turn it into a comfy Western RPG thread, but you faggots are gonna keep talking about your pseudo-boomer FPS games like Doom, Quake and CS.

And csniggers still can't defend their game.

>>5743349
>don't deserve
>didn't earn
In CA, you earn the win by out-aiming and out-maneuvering your opponent. There's less room for fucking up because you start with a set amount of HP/armor and you can't run off and collect more. You have to win with just that. If you lose 1v1 Clan Arena, it's because the guy had better aim and dodge than you, and not because he spawned in a better position with a better gun and got a health/armor stack advantage on you.

>>5744958
You typed all of that out in response to a troll lol

>>5745496
Arena zoomers have yet to explain how their zoom zoom shooting simulator requires more skill than CS

>>5745820
Yeah I only made that realisation at the end, I was an idiot and my brain turned to mush from staying up all night.
Probably should've realised that before but I was a dumbass and sleep-deprived lol.
By the time I realised it, I stopped giving him (you)s and sage'd the thread.

>>5741515
I admit that CS is casual as fuck, but seeing you stupid nerds seethe over it is absolutely disgusting. Like every single shooter that exists after Quake, exists for the sole malevolent purpose of spitting at old-school shooters. CS is the way it is, because it is supposed to be a tactical shooter, which has an entirely different focus and therefore had to adjust its mechanics. And before you pop a blood vessel, yes, I do emphasize "supposed" and there are actual tactical shooter out there which are much better at what they attempt to do.
It might come as a surprise to you, but most people in the world are fucking casuals in pretty much everything and this will never change. Raging over how the market adjusts to it naturally is like raging over a tornado blowing your house away. Absolutely pointless.

>>5745889
So you admit cs is garbage?

Playing CS in a pub: FFA bait your team mates and get as many kills as possible
Playing CS competitively: Levels of strategy that rival GM-level chess, while also incorporating raw aiming. The tactical, in game sense a competitive CS player develops will give them a huge advantage in basically every other video game involving weapons.
Arena: zoom around at high speeds, factor in raw aiming, but the only strategy involved is memorizing item pickups :D
I can't get over how stupid arenafags are for their shitty genre.

>>5744227
BASED

>>5746271
back to /v/ kid

Cstrannies can't refute it. They know their game is viewed as a joke by the
fps community.

>>5741515
I agree.

>>5747650
>>5743967
>>5741534
Based

>>5741553
imagine being so autistic that even unreal is unacceptable
that's like 20 years of seething

>>5747669
Kys casual.

CASUAL STRIKE FANS BTFO

>>5747658
Give me approval senpai! Ultimately it doesn't matter neither quake nor cs are popular with the kids anymore.

quake will be always superior to casual valve garbage like hl, cs and tf.

>>5744196
https://uloz.to/hledej?q=spellcross
Pick one with CZ in the title
I haven't heard of what you're saying but I haven't played Spellcross in this century either, so...

http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/470998720#bottom
FUCK CS AND FUCK HL.

>>5748775
In almost every comment section for Spellcross on Youtube, it's mostly Czechs and Slovaks arguing that the English version is too casual or something like that and that you start off with more units in the first mission whilst in the Czechoslovak version it's only John Alexander.

>>5744175
No one cares about your bad games. Just jump on an incoming train.

>>5747701
i don't just don't understand why anyone would consider unreal casual, even the most autistic quake tomber, it's fast, great weapons, enemies act like players, huge complex maps, etc etc.

If Quake is too difficult compared to CS, how come I'm decent in Quake, but shit at CS?

Daily reminder zoomers.

>>5741515
Would be true had action quake 2 not existed. The fact is gooseman had taken what he did in quake 2 and expanded on it when designing cs. If you don't like action quake 2 either you are a straight up faggot.

>>5750546
Because you play with shittier Quake players than you do CS players