/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Deadline: July 24th 23:00 GMT
-Final deadline extension
-All details and a FAQ can be found in the following pastebin to help get you started
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

=== NEWS ===

[7-12] Ion Maiden deflowered into Ion Fury
https://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1619524466602443850

[7-8] New beta release for La Tailor Girl
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=390#p1110538

[7-4] Alien Bastards! a new Doomer Boards mapset inspired by Alien Carnage
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1541/dbp13-alien

[7-3] Quake Speedmapping Pack 198: 768 ^ 2
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61748

[7-1] Anon updates 'Demon CounterStrike' to fix Rocket Launcher spawns
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5701806/#5702668

[6-29] Anon map release: TESTINGGROUND.wad
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehkggu5q3p4n8jp/TESTINGGROUND.wad?dl=0

[6-28] Masters of Doom to get a dramatized TV adaptation
https://www.pcgamer.com/james-and-dave-franco-are-producing-a-television-show-based-on-masters-of-doom/

[6-27] 'Vanilla Doom Plus', a monster variant randomizer balanced closer to vanilla
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106432-vanilla-doom-plusmonster-randomizer-updated-june-25th40-added-monsters/

[6-22] /vr/ is hosting it's own Quake mapping project! GET IN HERE FAGETS

[6-20] Copper for Quake released: a vanilla+ mod (includes optional map pack)
http://lunaran.com/copper/index.html

[6-17] Coffee Quake released, 76 speedmaps in 4 episodes
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_p8iwL2Vw&feature=youtu.be [Embed]

[6-15] Guncaster 3.3 released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcUHPmb76do [Embed]

[6-15] Doom the Golden Souls 3 announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rivZEQ2mNFg [Embed]

=== PREVIOUS ===

https://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

== PROTIP ==

To submit news, please reply and anchor it to this post.

I want to give a partial answer to the question I asked in an earlier Build thread in regard to a DN3D custom map, called "WGCity" by William Gee. Said map can, in short, be described, as a lecture course on jumping puzzles, where by doing progressive more difficult jumps, you gradually begin to discern possibilities in the form of insane sequences of jumps you haven't initially registered as being the thing at all. In other words the way you interpret map's layout changes before your eyes due to experience of your playing said map.

I have played the majority of solo single-player maps by William Gee, and this one stuck like a sore thumb. It had no precursors in his space maps, and no ties, whatsoever, concept-wise, to either any of the official Duke3D maps or any of the Roch maps which were, from what I gather, a very big deal in Duke 3D community in the first half of 2000s. Moreover, the scale, intricacy and finesse of implementation in said map suggested amounts of r&d completely unreasonable for a single map. Which, among other considerations, set me on course of trying to check out whether this map was created partly in accordance with some sort of external blueprint in the form of some other, previously released, DN3D custom map.

In the aforementioned earlier Build thread someone directed me to the custom map "Operation: Get Bike Back" co-authored by, again, William Gee, Merlijn van Oostrum and Maarten van Oostrum, and released two years prior to WGCity. I have previously played Red 1 and 2 by Merlijn (seemed to have nothing to do with WGCity, concept-wise) as well as one and a half maps by Maarten (his earliest map, The Big City - as well as the start of his next canyon map; I got frustrated by the seemingly random invisible wall placement there, and didn't follow up on him until yesterday). Maarten's maps, from what I remembered of them, somehow struck me as being closer to WGCity than Merlijn's ones, and as something to check out.(cont)

Why did Zandronum CTF die?

All other shooters pale in comparison to the perfect masterpiece of human achievement that is Half Life 1, developed by Valve.

>>5738253
(cont-d)
Moreover, MSDN review explicitly mentioned "Operation: Get Bike Back" as being similar to Maarten's map "ToxiCity", his third map, which I haven't played. The first question, however, was whether OGBB really was, played out, as a precursor to WGCity in its whole concept or at least some significant aspects of it.

At first, I didn't recognize it as such. Yes, you started the map pretty attacked from several directions and capable of subsequently exploring the city block in several different directions, but it played essentially flat.
The jumping sequence, involving a truck and a billboard, leading to steroids, however, quickly led me to reconsider. After discovering it, I managed to discover other jumping sequences I could do, and thus, and by following with map's progression, quickly became convinced that it was indeed a precursor to WGCity. There were three crucial differences, however, in the manner of implementation of jumping puzzles. The first difference was, they were unevident, well hidden, they required the insight, eureka moment. The aspect of gradual learning in regard to them, present in WGCity was entirely missing here. Second, there were evidently precisely set up jumping possibilities, leading right into invisible walls, spots containing nothing, or to inaccessible places later accessed by means of normal map progression (not in the least due to explosions, accompanying significant progression-related events, gradually disfiguring parts of the level (this last motif is also very prominently featured in WGCity as well). You were basically "noneofyourbusiness"-ed, in contrast with WGCity, in which the overwhelming majority of possible jumps was accounted for by means of some sort of reward.
The third difference was that in WGCity you had to do an unevident, well hidden sequence of jumps (more like one and a half, really), you had first to recognize as possibility, over the course of its main progression.(cont)

>>5738298
(cont-d)
In OGBB, nothing of the sort struck me. In other words, in OGBB trickjumping seemed to me to be an option (despite by and large not counting as secrets), in WGCity - a feature.
The apex to all the aforementioned was this secret room you could access with a jumping sequence. That room had a balcony, and far off, against that balcony, was a billboard with it, with a hole in its middle, closed off with a forcefield. Behind it was an angled room presumably leading further. By using aforementioned steroids (situated nearby, on an angled roof and accessed through the jumping sequence) and boosting yourself on the run off the balcony's railing (essentially doublejump) you could just plummed into said forcefield. The level also has a similar looking forcefield elsewhere, and you had to turn it off over the course of the intended map's progression. After finishing the map, I realized I haven't discovered the way to turn the billboard forcefield off, and by subsequently noclipping to the roof behind it I discovered there was nothing all along. I realized then however that despite not leading to new places, items or resources, meaning, ingame rewards for the character of the game, Duke, those deadend jumping sequences still reward the player by means of these "aha" moments, conveying interesting ideas and information about Duke's mechanics to him. In other words, those jumps are seemingly supposed to be a reward in itself. By accounting for the majority of jumps through in-level rewards, WGCity actually considerably dials that motif down.

Anyway, with OGBB being largely over and done with, I checked ToxiCity next. And yep, all the aforementioned from OGBB (trickjump sequences leading nowhere, gradual disfigurement of the layout over the course of map progression, directly affecting some of the previously encountered deadends) seems to essentially originate from the outdoor parts of it.(cont)

this is worse than thesaurus guy ever was

>>5738329
So, long story short. The point of origin of some of the layouting techniques, exhibited in "WGCity" DN3D custom map by William Gee seems to be, essentially, "ToxiCity" DN3D custom map by Maarten van Oostrum (and MtvO's early mappings in general). However, that doesn't account for the motif of gradual learning by means of feedback from the level, comprisong the experience of playing it, which is also prominently featured in "WGCity". IF external, this motif has likely come from somewhere else entirely, and has nothing whatsoever to do with MtvO. Where that "somewhere" might be, I have currently no idea.
>>5738330
kek

>>5738263
CTF is one of the most rage inducing game modes for some reason.

>>5738263
Didn't at least CTF community lock out the public?

>>5738292
i replay opposing force every now and then and the ending still feels like it comes out of nowhere

>>5738336
P.S. The reason I currently care about WGCity this much is because it (or specifically the part of it comprising of everything reachable before you start opening keycard locks, and tge explosions begin to gradually change and simplify the initial layout of the level) is essentially structured like a Metroidvania, where your abilities are the types of jumps you KNOW tou can pull off. An actually genuinely good Metroidvania (despite all the "character upgrading" taking place more or less in your head), as opposed to semblance of Metroidvania, as in Duketroid. It is the question of origins of this aspect specifically (meaning possible precursors among preceding Duke3D custom maps), which interests me the most.

>>5738512
Actually writing this just gave me an idea.
If someone explicitly adapted Metroid to a Duke map back then, into a sort of "cerebral Metroidvania", it was probably alien-themed.

And come to think of it, Maarten van Oostrum did have that Alien Planet map I haven't played and which reviewers seemed to like a whole lot Wouldn't hurt to check it out.

>>5738535
With the eldritch abomination commonly known as "based Sandy" looking at that picture through your (yes, yours, reader, whoever you are) eyes.

You are Based Sandy.
We are Based Sandy.
Everything is Based Sandy.
Ylla ylla chth'prongolobrp ai ai Yog-Soggoth.

>>5738172
anybody still have that retro FPS pack which was made and posted here some odd years ago?

>>5738535
>dat American McGee somewhere in the corner

.

my first map, hard and fast? some 'platforming', you'll need all 6 keys to exist
single boom map (only tested in zdoom so far) nearly finished, jumping crouching and mouselook not intended
only HMP is implemented so far, feedback and bugs appreciated, also demos/videos (uv-speed especially) or just par times, thanks

https://files.catbox.moe/0pzfnd.wad

why
why did I put the 24th in the pastebin
probably because I type with the numpad and 4 is right above the 1 key, must have slipped and I didn't notice because this laptop keyboard is retarded and I'm retarded as well

well I guess that stays

>>5738761
Sooo, how's "4chan X-mas PAK" for a title?

You shall not pass!
How do you disable jumping in a map with GZDoombuilder?

>>5738790
mapinfo?

I saw a post on doomworld not too long ago by i think anotak that had something to do with this perhaps?

>>5738790
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106636-for-mappers-zscript-to-force-disable-jumping-and-crouching/

I should consider using trenchbroom as tool for art honestly, becuase it's great!
along with making maps for quake ofcourse

>>5738817
Your handle isn't centered.

Can we end the quake mapping?....

So we can make some Duke maps next :)

>>5738938
no
next is Thief
I want all of you fucks to learn DromED so we call all submit maps to the Thief 2 20th anniversary contest

and this time the deadline is a YEAR from now
jokes aside that is actually the deadline they have
I guess that makes sense

>>5738512
Duke3D usermaps are full of shit. These guys know nothing about intuitive, storytelling, adventurous, or even arcadey leveldesign. All their work is just mixing up all graphics and making unnecessary micromanagement with ugly spritework, but the layouts in these maps are basic key-to-key tedium at best.

>>5738790
Just make the lines unpassable.

>>5738946
are there rocket launchers in thief 2

>>5739183
no but the children of Karras can launch cartoon bombs at you

Since the deadline has BEEN EXTENDED EVEN FURTHER I am currently doing stuff on my space station. Added a meeting room of some sorts. Still have no idea what to do on these cramped corridors.

>>5739151
Lazy, and useless given that it's so easy to achieve with mapinfo. With this you also have the advantage of making places traversable in only one direction, by one part of a level being lower than another. This shit is so well documented in the mapinfo page on zdoom wiki, why make an ugly hack?

>>5739185
I bet you can't even run fast in Theif fuckin gayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>5739208
AAAAAAAWWWWW FUUUUUUUUUUUCK N-

>>5739208
You can bunnyhop so fast you take damage by slamming into a wall. Happened to me in The Sword once. Thing is, you can, but should not go fast. Take your ritalin.

>>5739220
I remember hating escape! so much I just brute forced it by bunnyhopping
protip: don't do that on Expert, either beat it legit or go Hard or lower

>>5738172
>Still waiting for Chocolate SW, Chocolate Blood, and Chocolate WW2GI

>>5739206
>texture filtering

>>5738172
>TES, Fallout, Half-Life, and even Minecraft get graphics + sound overhaul mods
almost nobody screams or bitches
>Somebody does the same for 3D games such as Duke3D, Blood, SW, Quake 1, Quake 2, and Q3A
REEEEEEEE HEMORRHAGE, SCREAMING, AND ASSPAIN!

>>5738798
This is unnecessary and absurd. Just add a line in mapinfo and jumping is disabled unless someone specifically goes into the options menu to reenable it.

>>5739183
yep, fire arrows

So, anyone's current map drafts reviewable?
I am trying to get a second map done since it's still so long. Currently listening to Einstürzende Neubauten and building a shitty space taxi thing.

>>5739403
Why don't improve your original map? As Sock, says, ITINERATION!

>>5739429
I don't feel like working on it anymore. I posted it several times and basically incorporated all the feedback I got. Submitted it already on wednesday after some late night sessions. Time for something else.

>>5739241
That's because most of them look like ass.

final QCDE champion bois

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hcInvtzgpw

it's Daniel from Painkiller

>>5739482
damn, he really pumped out new champions.

>>5739482
good, now we can stop hearing about it

>>5739207
jumping is fun

>>5738790
isn't that already tall enough that you can't jump over it

>>5739493
You can still jump over it.

>>5739493
Jumping in ZDoom is not fun because you have nearly zero air control.

>>5739486
imagine not wanting mods to continue

>>5739497
Also I need some suggestions but, using doom 2's texture set, how could I make some okay looking flatbed trucks for carrying crates?

>>5738817
it needs a "snap to vertex"

>>5738761
raccoon bab

More than likely an offtopic question that belongs on /3/, but does anyone have or know of a site that has a ripped doomguy model? I tried converting a SFM rip into Blender but I'm a bit of a brainlet and have probably fucked up.

>>5739542
How bad is the "brush has non-integer vertices" issue? You almost have it by default if you are not working with 90º angles.

>>5739572
I just want a fast way to connect vertices from two different brushes

>>5739572
I had to redo this shit
it also needs a circle tool, it needs basic brushes
I can see tons of basic improvements

>>5739581
never used trechbroom before but can you import models from max/maya/blender?

>>5739581
Did you have actual issues or are you just autistic?

>>5739482
Does QCDE have actual Bhopping/strafejumping implemented? Last I played it was just vanilla Doom movement.

>>5739581
it took me one full minute to do this shit in unrealed

>>5739589
there is an obj2map exporter that exports the brushes with the vertices misaligned
>>5739596
yes anon, I'm having issues, that wall is fucking huge
maybe I'm not catching the trenchbroom workflow

>>5739605
>UnrealEd
now that's a name i haven't heard in a long time. Shame I lost the shit I did for it, it would be nice to revisit that old stuff

>>5739572
It means literally nothing, your compiler (assuming it's modern) can handle it just fine.

>>5739576
Shift-click two faces and hit the 'join faces' button, check your keybinds.

>>5739589
Yes, obj2map is a thing and some Quakedads use it regularly.

>>5739542
It already has snap to integer and snap to grid. You're supposed to take your weird free-floating verts and attach them to one of those.

>>5739581
Other editors like JACK have 'basic shape' brush prefab makers. If you have other 'basic improvements,' I'm sure Sleepwalkr has either already set them in progress or there's an active issue for them on the github.

>>5739604
No, it does not.

>WARNING 10: Reached occupant at (1456 -304 -16), no filling performed.
Is this a leak?
I thought if your map has a leak it wont compile at all and you can't even play it.

>>5739615
>It already has snap to integer and snap to grid. You're supposed to take your weird free-floating verts and attach them to one of those
yes anon, I know, the problem is when the two vertices from the two different brushes snaps 16 units far from each other, imagine when this happens with 4 brushes (I had to resort to obj2map), which one of the 4 vertices is in the right place?

>>5739616
Nah, you can play your map with a single brush in the void. Afaik leaks and vertices on grid and that stuff were only important when compiling took minutes to hours.

>>5739616
Yes, that's a leak. A map will compile with a leak but vis won't run on the compiled map- vis is what figures out what parts of the play area can see other parts, and a map with a leak has no defined play area so everything ends up drawn at once. On a tiny map this won't matter much; on larger ones you'll see framerate hits and some gigantic maps like Ter Shibboleth that are un-vis'd can bring even a modern system to a crawl. Fix your leaks, it's bad practice to leave them open and can lead to other bugs as well- in particular ericw's light tool tends to get a bit messy sometimes if a map isn't sealed, even after his fixes for the issue.

>>5739616
this happened to me when I reached the 4096 units

>>5739616
I'm a mapping newfag so I barely even know what leaks do, I think it has something to do with how the level is optimized and rendered. I just know to cover them up.

>>5739624
Can't you just make the grid smaller? It goes down to .125 and I don't think you can have vertices between those.

>>5739631
yes, but I'm autistic
also, I said that with obj2map the brushes where misaligned from the start, I don't know why

>>5739616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFd-D46OCrg

>>5739501
I'm used to it, it feels ok to me.

What does it mean when vis calculation takes a long time?
Normally its almost instant, but the map im working on now takes 20 seconds to fully vis

>>5739604
No, Zandro's code is too old for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dNgInsfLsU

>>5739691
Lots of little stuff that's not a detail brush? Leaks? Did you put everything in a huge skybox?

Is there anything like "HontE Remastered" for Doom1's maps?

Any time a mod lets enemies do continuous damage through some attack (poison, fire etc), that mod should do that TF2 thing where you can stop that type of attack by picking up health or even self healing.
I'm having fun with The Edge Of Time but this one part annoys me.
That and how it has reloading but the Marathon kind where you don't reload when you feel like it.
>>5739569
>More than likely an offtopic question that belongs on /3/, but does anyone have or know of a site that has a ripped doomguy model? I tried converting a SFM rip into Blender but I'm a bit of a brainlet and have probably fucked up.
I thought i saw something on SFM workshop.

>>5739729
>I thought i saw something on SFM workshop.
OH i read your post poorly oops.

>>5739616
add -leaktest to QBSP so it just aborts if theres a leak

>that part where Ranger tells Keel that when he turns the Campgrounds into a quad ethnogate, he'll remember he was "one of the good ones"
Jesus Christ, Carmack.

Tried Stylish Hell. It's a cute mod,the enemies are surprisingl tougher than vanilla Doom,

>>5739750
Btw this is the replacement of the Icon of Sin

>>5739747

>>5739754
somebody has been playing Hedon

ZDL suddenly don't want to launch anymore, what is this shit? "Please select a source port", I checked everything already

>>5739754
am in disbelief

>>5739758
green machine lookin motherfucker like joe rogan and an asari had a butt baby

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=62641&sid=0e10bba03aa386f06cc19f51b9ec66f7
The new version of Nashgore is out.

>>5739767
had to reinstall everything.

hey, shout outs to the guys from last thread who showed off the Hardcore Miniatures, just blew 90 freedombux on these guys

>>5739803

>>5739809
>the last one on the right

>>5739809
what the fuck
these are exquisite

>>5739581
I imagine this was already aligned
Looks good anon, it's so big nobody will notice a vertex being one unit away
Keep pushing through, I have fate on you, you are gonna make it

>>5739816
Is that supposed to be another Ranger?

What is the conversion for Doom units to rl units? 32u = 1m? That looks a bit too short for me, though, but 64 is too much. I want to make a car and I want it to look at least approximately right.

Goddammit D4T with Dusk movement is so fucking good

>>5739809
>Sam but no Caleb
Gay.

>>5739809
Why did they give Ranger the Q3A RL instead of the Q1 RL or even the nailgun?

>>5739816
The Ranger models are listed as "Gladiator type A" and "Gladiator type B." Type B is his obvious Q3A appearance, but I don't know what type A is supposed to represent. His raider skin in QC? I thought it looked cool so I threw it in.
There's also a Type B Doomguy holding a chainsaw, got that too.

>>5739809
HEY WAIT A MINUTE. THAT COLOR
THAT ISN'T Q1 TECHBASE UNDER RANGER, THAT'S THE DARKER BROWN SPEEDBAZE TEXTURE SET BY SPEEDY

>>5739837
Which site is that? Is it not klukva miniatures? Because I can't find QUakeguy there, just the original Doom cover Doomguy and lots of Overwatch stuff.

>>5739837
Got a better shot of Ranger Type A? That weapon isn't ringing any bells.

>>5739846
nvm found it

>>5739809
>big chin Sam
yes

>>5738172
>Unzip Eduke32 into my D drive
>copy DUKE3D file into the folder Eduke32 is in
>make a shortcut for it on my desktop
>load Duke 3D
>Great sounds and mouselook
>suddenly while opening a door in the movie theater, everything goes black, even the HUD.
Pic related.

>>5739945
Oh and furthermore, I couldn't close the program no matter how I tried until I restarted my computer.

can you do a functional ladder in vanilla quake?

>>5739694
That looks tight as FUCK. What level wads would go well with this?

>>5739849
sorry, dipped out for an hour. here's the site link, it's got a gallery of 360 shots.
https://hardcore-miniatures.com/shop#w--ul-id-63-2/Gladiator-Type-A/p/139627097/category=34643644--w
The description says it's a "chaingun." It's too different from the Q3A machine gun or HMG to be those, and it certainly isn't anything in Champions. Maybe it's just a generic gun?
>>5739846
yeah, klukva does the "truescale" versions of DG and nuDG, HM does "heroic" scale.

>>5739986
Not a /tg/ guy, but I know they dabble in these little dudes. What’s truscale and heroic?

>>5739986
It's gotta be a generic mishmash. The tri-fluted and apparently rotating front end brings to mind the Q3A machien gun, but the rest is all different; there's a chaingun in Q3 Team Arena, but it looks nothing like that. Not sure about the mini itself either, that helmet's an original because Q1 and Q3A use the same brown square helmet and Q:C's helmets are just a two-tone version of those, sharing the same vents on the sides and the 'ear' vents as the original HUD face.

>>5739954
not really, the best you can do is a bunch of really thin and tall brushes together so the player gets shot upwards really quick

>>5740000
I've never really explained this before, nor am a big expert, but I'll try. So like, truescale is just an object scaled down to a certain mm range. Heroic is, I think, Games Workshop's 28mm range with exaggerated features to make them stand out more.
I'll use these to stay on topic.
>>5740002
You're likely right, I can't pin down any specific inspiration. But if it looks cool, I can't complain.

>>5739954
bsod'd my entire computer

>>5740087
Heroic Scale is also easier to cast/mold (the figures are more structurally strong) and easier to paint.
With modern injection molds and materials though, it's not quite as difficult to make more fine and precise looking figures with actual true proportions.

https://youtu.be/vXBV9BBcplI

My second map for HUH is ocming along nicely.
Should hopefully be putting out a demo in 2 days or so.

>>5740162
So the uploader said he's making a mod which adds more enemies to the game, but I'm a bit confused on the naked part.

Does Zandronum even get updated still?
It seems like its codebase is extremely old compared to GZDoom.

>>5740195
I hope NuDoom "modding" can get to the point where the audio balancing for some of the weapons and the movement speed can be changed cus that'd be interesting. Maybe reintegrate that one strafejumping code the MP beta had way back.

That and not tie the goddamn crosshairs to the FOV, the HAR's is practically invisible when it's cranked up to 120-130. Or have FOV's higher than 130 reset to 90 at every goddamn save point.

>>5740262
Wait, that's a thing? I thought it was just my machine. The fucking HAR reticle becomes miniscule on certain resolutions.

>>5740287
No you're not alone. I haven't heard anyone else mention it but there's no way it's a hardware thing. Played NuDoom on two different rigs and it happened on both of them. It's honestly weird and kinda shitty.

>>5740243
I'm pretty sure that Zandronum is still based off of one the GZ 2 versions. If Graf cares enough to actually put proper netcode into GZ, Zandronum would die within hours.

>>5740162
I completely forgot how boring the Baron berserk glory kill was in 2016, shit looks like child wrestling.

>>5740451
saved

>>5740451
This makes me think, if Machine Games ever goes through making a SP Quake game, there's a lot of potential to work this existential dread into Ranger's character.

As long as the gameplay is good, that is.

>>5740484
What would a modern reboot of Quake be like? It would have to be something different from nudoom, but original in its own right.
I'm thinking:
>desolate yet fantastical dimensions, each being varied
>large, handcrafted maps that entice the players to explore around
>hallucination effect, seeing shadows of things that aren't really there
>camera is ever so slightly shifting objects in the distance like in Q1
>rocketjumping at the cost of gained health/armor like in Q1
>some sort of movement mechanics, could be bhopping, strafejumping, or any combination
>secrets that are quite hard to get to, award players who've mastered the movement mechanics, only extra resources instead of collectibles await them
>overall sense of depression and death

>>5740451
Poor Ranger. He’s never going to see his wife, his daughter, or his son ever again.

>>5740507
d44m with a somewhat new coat of paint and axe replacing chainsaw
hire me bethesda, this one's free

>>5740507
don't forget the start map with a hidden nightmare difficulty
I love quake-style start maps so much

>>5740507
I'm already preordering the special edition for $90

HYAH

>>5740507
That could work, but they’d need to bring back Trent Reznor to voice Ranger again. And use and updated version of the Gladiator skin from Champions.

>>5740574
>And use and updated version of the Gladiator skin from Champions.
Gladiator strays too far from the original design. Ideally you'd want something between the two, like most of the normal skin's armor with the Gladiator helmet.

>>5740574
It's cool, but it's a bit far away from his original design. I'm not the biggest fan of his default QC look, maybe they could merge the two somehow.

his default skin looks the closest to his og design already. the helmet being two-toned is kinda shit, basically the same 'we need to carry over the standout color of the outfit to the helmet so it's INSTANTLY RECOGNIZABLE!!' shit from doom 4's praetor design with the fucking 100% green helmet.

aside from that just bring over the notches across the breastplate and you're good to go.

I just download Powerslave EX and camera controls with the mouse aren't working. Its like I can move it slightly but I cant turn around at all. Anyone know how to fix?

>>5740616
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1218-powerslave-ex-fix/

>>5740612
I really don't like the helmet, I guess that's it. The two tone plus the weird bumps that look like cat ears.

>>5740574
I like how the new helmet invokes the old one while being a bit more recognizable
thats why all the edits have it, you instantly know, "oh thats Ranger"

>>5740612
It's really weird to me that they recreated so much of the original armor in the default design including the silly bright red camo pants, and then forgot the two straps on the chestplate that are just about the only damn detail it has in Q1 and are present on both types of idbase enemies as well.

>>5740621
ranger's helmet always had cat ears, QC is just the first time they're actually modeled instead of a flat texture

>>5740619
thank you my friend

>>5740635
What the hell, I never noticed. I guess I just like the flat dome.

>>5740507
I guess it's heresy but Quake 1 "setting" was heads and shoulders above Doom one for me. Fighting Lovecraftian monsters and death knights is million times more interesting than fighting demons from hell. Imagine the possibilites of creative monster and level designs. I would preorder it in a heartbeat.

>>5740650
>I guess it's heresy
no, that's a different game series

what the best duke nukem expac?

I've spent like a week trying to figure out which mod to play wads with and its beginning to get to me.

Guncaster is interesting and I love the ability to play on the highest difficulty setting consistently, making me feel like Im seeing all the content, but it feels so unsatisfying BECAUSE its so OP.

Project Brutality feels more satisfying because of the difficulty (and some of the gore, its fucking great to see a demon who killed you 6 times grimace and fall in half) but I have to play on lower difficulties, meaning that I feel like Im not seeing all of the content.

Which am I being more of a pussy about?

>>5740612
>praetor design with the FUCKING GREEN HELMET
What color are Sonics arms?

>>5740692
Play with Babel instead

>>5740650
I'd say its a decently popular opinion, the issue is that Quake's tone is dour and grim while Doom's is loud and brash, so people tend to enjoy Doom's setting more than Quake's even if Quake's is better.

>>5740697
>Babel
Downloading now, does it work with 4.1.3 GZ or should I try and grab an older GZ

>>5740692
Beautiful/smooth/deadmarine doom with babel monsters and legendoom lite

>>5740695
makes him look like master chief.

>>5740702
I enjoy Quake's setting more in theory but in practice all Quakes setting amounted to was a bunch of brown castles for an entire game. Doom had a more varied color palette and I felt like I was actually going somewhere.

Doom
>E1
Space station
>E2
Space station being corrupted by hell
>E3
Hell

Quake
>E1
Brown Castle
>E2
Brown Castle
>E3
Brown Castle
>E4
Brown Castle

>>5740716
Stop talking shit, Karl.

>>5740716
This. I am not a fantasy kind of person, so space stations are much more interesting to me than castles with knights. I'd have wished for more eldritch horrors.

What are some really good and really obscure 90s shooters.

For me, I can heartily recommend these three PC/DOS games:
Cybermage (awesome campaign direction)
Eradicator (awesome mechanics)
Powerslave PC/BUILD (awesome level layouting).

These are just my three "... dude" games.

Two more I feel I should mention are
Pathways into Darkness (main game for 68k Macs and Demo2.0 for PowerPC Macs)
Alien Breed 3D II: The Killing Grounds, WHDLoad-patched (didn't play it long, but thought it was pretty damn ballsy and atmospheric as fuck).

Any other that would fit the bill?

>>5740741
Also, I guess I could mention Realms of the Haunting, but the parts of it that are actually good, are more or less entirely related to its movie-like qualities (moreover, as a movie, it very much jumps the shark in the last third of the game), dungeon layouting sucks in general, combat is ridiculously cheesable, and that fucking dungeon with brains and aliens is just a flat-out insult to the player. So, I dunno. It has good stuff, but I think it's a better youtube watch, than it is a game - while the 5 games I mebtioned previously, are actually games full-on.

>>5740737
Episode 4 (along with beta3's end.bsp)? Hello?
Also, Wind Tunnels and all 4 techbase levels, if you just happen to fancy sci-fi or something?

>>5739762
That game really inflamed my THICC Orc fetish for a week.

>>5740716
Really all it could use is some color.
Even if they're all castles, they could still be castles in different settings with different colors.
One castle could be surrounded with lava, in a dark mountainous region. Another could be covered in thick greenery, with grass and bushes growing all over the place.

>>5740716
The game is dominantly brown, but it's wrong to say EVERY episode is all brown.
>e3 is grey/blue metal themed
>every episode starts with a techbase map
>azure agony

>>5740791
> azure agony
daba diba da dai

>>5740757
How is Ep4 NOT fantasy? It looks like a slightly hellified version of the other medieval levels and still has knights n shiet.

How do I "doomify" a sprite? I mean, what is the difference between processing a picture to match the palette and it actually looking doom-ey? I just don't get it.

>>5740791
>every episode starts with a techbase map
Thats actually part of the problem for me. I don't feel like I'm going anywhere when I play Quake. I don't feel like I'm taking a journey to hell like when I play Doom. Having every episode start the same way makes them feel even more samey.

There's a way to make the automap show keys, right? I keep getting lost/stuck in D64D2. Just wanna speed things up. Please help me, anons.

>>5740830
What about episode 3? Except for the first level it's all runic.

>>5740839
>runic
So? Apart from the keys it's the same as all the others.

>>5740841
>runic
>brown castles
sure

>>5739241
HL1 fans always bitch about graphics mods. Wtf you on about?

>>5740876
Don't enable

>>5738172

>>5740507
Gothic atmosphere overall with a section that's really dark, ala Episode 4.
Emphasis on lots of movement and maneuvering.
Individual monsters are very serious threats.
Trent Reznor soundtrack and HUHs.
A powerful feeling rocketlauncher you can carry a lot of shots for, and a powerful feeling supernailgun.
A non-linear level progression, a good kind.

>>5740650
I can see where you're coming from, because even though Doom is my favorite, I really, REALLY adore Quake 1, and part of that is for its setting.

>>5740697
Does Babel work with any gameplay mod?

>>5740794
Spawns make me feel blue.

>>5740835
Hard question to answer, because Doom used a wide mix of styles to make its graphics:
>graphics painted by hand on a computer
>graphics drawn with pencil and scanned in then processed
>graphics digitized from photos, clay sculpts, latex models, toys, random stuff they had just lying around, Kevin Cloud scraping his knee on his way to work in the morning, etc
>graphics from resource libraries (textures)

Pre-rendered 3D was about the one thing they weren't doing to make sprites.
Just make sure the shading and lighting is consistent and good.

>>5740507
Each individual level's essential blockout and item/enemy placements are singlehandedly handled by that level's sole designated designer, who also has the penultimate (barring game director) say in regard to the level props, lighting and artistry, and also handles any external playtesting feedback however he sees fit (yielding, again, only to game director).
Only that way it will truly be Quake, as opposed to Half-Life: Quake Edition.

>>5740947
I guess that's true. Sandy and American did some of their best levels for iD at that time, and it kinda feels like they were just doing what they thought would be good.

>>5739012
Why do you take intuitiveness for granted, to begin with? Because it's a product? It's literally not, it's goodwill, those people, at the end of the day, don't owe you anything. You don't owe them anything either. If ALL their work is that to you, which you state, then I am at a loss as to why you choose to continue exposing yourself to said work, instead of spending your time on more constructive or pleasant venues.

>>5738516
P.P.S. Alien Planet X64-2 (I think that's how it's called) has nothing to do with what I am looking for, it's a spin on Xen and Half-Life 1 in general (although it also contains at least one Unreal 1 reference).

Should I play Final DOOM? Do you recommend?

>>5741005
Yeah, but play TNT first, Plutonia second.

Gimme All your Blood OC!
pretty please!

>>5740686
Vacation >>>> DC >>>> Eating warm shit >>>> Nuclear Winter

>>5741005
It's good. You can play them in any order, but TNT was developed first and is easier.

TNT is kind of an atmospheric deal, I want to say most of the maps are good, and the weak ones kind of gather in the end third. If you come to the level Habitat or Baron's Den, and think to yourself "My god, what the fuck is this shit?", I don't think many people would hold it against you if you cheated to leave those maps as soon as possible or used a guide.
Overall though, it's definitely worth playing, the first and second thirds have a bunch of fun and atmospheric maps, the music is top notch.

Plutonia goes for a different style, and is designed around the premise to that it would be really challenging on Ultra-Violence.
If the authors (Dario and Milo Casali) felt the map wasn't giving them enough of a hard time, they would go back and alter the maps to make sure it would still be difficult.
If this sounds like a lot to chew, it can still be played on Hurt Me Plenty, and it'll be more forgiving and less dickish, some may call Plutonia slaughter, but it really isn't, only map 32 fits that description at all.
The quality of the maps are pretty good, they're largely a bunch of homages to Doom 1 and Doom 2 maps, but with a spin on them.
Plutonia was made by just these two brothers in like 8 weeks (an amazingly tiny frame of time, if you consider how tight the maps are), and it's still remembered as a milestone in Doom mapping, Dario Casali would go on to work at Valve, making levels for the Half-Life games, to mention some.

All this talking about a Quake 1 reboot made me realize how much Doom Eternal is similiar to it.
-Think about it,the grappling hook,similiar to the one from Quake multiplayer.
-The way you move in different places,with a cannon or spaceship,like the slipgates.
-Some of the power ups are there like Quad Damage(Doom 4 also had them but still)
-The arm blade and Crucible are like the axe and Mjolnir
-The grunts are heavier and more similiar to Ranger grunts

Some of these are a bit of a stretch I know but I kinda fear this might be the closest thing to a new SP Quake game nowadays
I'm still hyped about it but that doesn't stop me from wanting a new Lovecraftian Quake.

>>5741092
Also jump pads

whats the best way to play the first two episodes of chex?

>>5741092
>-The way you move in different places,with a cannon or spaceship,like the slipgates.
They are literally called slipgates in game.

>>5741092
I think doom eternal is trying to reference all the id software games in general, even for the ones they don't have rights too.

>>5741169
I guess the "carcass" enemy is supposed to be reference to the Strogg

David Kushner on Quake 1's sales:
>sales were good — with 250,000 units shipped — but not a phenomenon like Doom II
Was Q1 a really demanding game on 1996 PCs? Could your usual Packard Bells and Compaqs play it or was it too heavy for them?

>>5738173
Mapwich RC1 released.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107249-come-eat-the-mapwich-a-collaborative-community-project-rc1-available/

>Replayed Doom Incarnate
>I used to have so much fun playing it
>I don't like it anymore

Yes,it added more features,weapons but it feels way too cluttered,sometimes I actually feel weaker than Vanilla Doom,you're like a glass cannon

so i've had this idea spinning in my head for a couple of days now
> ori and the blind forest
> all the combat revolves around movement
> all your attacks are some kind of mobility ability

> doom mod where your movement is your defence and offence
> the combat is the movement, and the movement is the combat
maybe a bit of metroid/prime thrown in for good measure
because i like the idea of replacing a wide arsenal with fewer weapons that each do more things alone and maybe even together

>>5741242
Jeesus, it looks dope af

>>5741242
> not pairing up ad_79 and breezeep

>>5740934
Damn, I remember this place but not the wad it comes from. Revilution maybe?

>>5739754
how do i even get this icon?

To anyone who's messed with the Dusk Movement mod, what are some good settings for movement/acceleration? The default settings feel a bit floaty and it feels kind of hard to turn.

>>5739986
seems like something out of 80s/early90s 2000AD

>>5741358
Correct

>>5739762
This would be more accurate for it

>>5739754
>>5741513
HDoom mod when?

>>5741309
That sounds interesting, but how would you exactly go on about it? Like, ramming enemies or jumping into them or what? Or wouldn't it be basically some kind of martial arts combat?

The Hipnotic Quake expansion is so fucking good. Hard as balls. And they so many interesting little things with the engine. How did they do those jump pads?

Anybody know what went wrong with Eduke32 like in
>>5739945
>>5739949?
I've never experienced This in DOSBOX.

>>5741169
Oh shit, that's a pretty neat detail, I didn't notice they were from anything. Would be scary if a shambler came running at us at some point in the game.

>>5741672
>Shambler
Psshhhh.... *teleports around column* nothing personnel, git

All of a sudden, the music has completely disappeared while playing Duke 3D through eduke32. I have no idea what happened, it's just not working anymore. I checked it was enabled in the settings and everything too. Anyone know what's going on?

>>5741695
For me the music works, but all visuals suddenly stopped working completely when I opened a door in the movie theater in E1M1: Hollywood Holocuast. Everything Went black, as shown in this screenshot of mine >>5739945

>>5741734
guess not even 64 is safe from the chaingunner menace

>>5741734
I don't like that he mimicked the originals' postures and color palettes. should've gone for something different.

>>5741734
64 could have been perfect if they hadn't used pain elementals and used arch-viles or revenants instead.

>>5741770
The hell kind of logic is this?

>>5741789
the doom 64 one where they took liberties with the designs for the most part.

>>5741798
Not really, those 4 monsters fit perfectly with the rest of the cast. Also the only d64 monster that really stands out from the original doom monsters is maybe the pain elemental, beacuse the cacodemon is literally just an OG pain elemental that they decided to name cacodemon. The rest is pretty much just an artstyle thing, much like the 4 new monsters who also aren't exact copies of the originals (eg: the revenant's odd looking cannons and shackles).

>>5741789
some designs in the game are meant to be loosely based on the originals, small details like arm position and a more subdued color scheme help them stand out from their 1993 counterparts at a glance. these custom models are too accurate to the outlines of vanilla doom's for comfort, it's like he didn't want to stray too far away.

they don't look... bad? I just expected something different.

>>5741809
>>5741770
precisely what I was thinking. the modellers would've come up with something infinitely more fucked up and crazy for the missing enemies. something you could go back to and say to yourself 'man they really did go all out'. I can still appreciate his work big time though.

>>5738172
Back to DOOMRL, 'cause I was missing shotguns... Somehow ended up trying to get the melee badges. After a few tries, I beat a pussy game with Combat Knives only. Couldn't beat the Angel Of Berserk challenge though. Really needed to assemble a Piercing Blade to survive early and mid game. Getting Whizkid earlier to make higher raw damage knives did not help. Also probably should have made grappling boots instead of tactical boots. Knockback from multiple shotguns and rockets can be a killer.

>>5740836
It could have been interesting if there had been one whole episode of techbase, leading up to a slipgate to Quake. One of the mission packs did that. But I imagine they wanted the game to distinguish its setting from Doom, so they just relegated the techbases to quick intro levels.

>>5741734
These aren't Pyspy's are they? That doesn't look like his revenant.

>>5741734
>jpg
Boooo!

>>5741857
> do melee build
> find a unique that doesn't fit that build

i know this pain too well
both in DRL and DRLA
> AWW YE TIME TO PLAY SOME SCOUT
> find uniques that are garbo outside of their specialst classes
> on map02

>>5741612
Try the Rogue one too. The expansions are seriously good stuff.

>>5741857
I won AoB using only the chainsaw for most of the game, it really carries you when you go vampire and then get the lance of Longinus

>>5741895
They're only single frames, I'm assuming he'll post the proper ones as complete sets later.

>>5740650
i think the issue can be what you can apply to the levels in terms of "material"
because doom hell had fireblu, flesh, metal, faces, rocks, etc
quake's settings need something on pair

>>5740713
i wonder what was it like to design the praetor suit the way it is
because you also have the retail cover art and the multiplayer and the studio that worked on it
like, there's no other way to explain it
imagine showing that design back in 2011 or something

>>5741980
Quake could use some FIREBLU, so we can wreck some encoding for people.

>>5741734
So what are those bottom 4? Fan mod? I like them.

>>5741994
how do you mean?

>>5741589
those are the questions i'm trying to figure out
also there's ofcourse the light orb that shoots at nearby enemies that you can also make explode that acts as your somewhat-ranged attack
also just thinking of cool multi purpose movement mechanics in general

>>5741980
quake also has flesh, metal, faces, rocks, dirt and bone
try turning filtering off

so I was thinking of making this terrible meme map

>>5742096
>terrible """"""""meme"""""""" map
Thats where you've done wrong. Now redo everything and report back once you've done

>>5742096
if you can beat it yourself we might make it into a secret level

>>5739809
These are awesome

>>5742105
>>5742107
Ogre Plutonia has a nice ring to it, doesn't it. It came to my mind while I was testing my first one. I might or might not actually make it, right now I'm working on this one more seriously, that is if I manage to finish it quickly enough.
I recall someone already made a cathedral, didn't they?

>>5742096
Ogres on ledges? Gimme enough shells and I can do that.

>>5742130
Can't have enough Cathedrals, man.

>>5742150
This is how 40k starts.

>>5742075
guess my memory is just shit, so just color it is
>>5742043
like whether or not they would think anyone would compare the praetor suit to master chief
and by 2011 i meant where there was no modern doom game and it being a time when death battle made that video
just to imagine the reaction of doom fans then
>>5741880
gerardo194 is the author

>>5742020
unused renders of the sprites

Who are in your opinion the Top 5 fastest FPSs characters ever?
And explain your choice.

>>5742105
Not him but if I ever got into Doom mapping, I've always wanted to do a fakeout room in a level like anon's but with chaingunners and they're in their own holes in the wall with pillars that fall on and kill them instantly the moment you walk in there.

>>5742020
custom models.

>>5742130
holy mackerel anon that looks neat

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=75df9164e7d314ad907488ec2e2589a6&start=1620#p1111363

>>5741169
this could mean if whiplish (that's his name) ever gets sprites, we know who to use as a base

>>5742181
im not going to list 5
but top spot is bitterman
why?
go do some strafejumps in quake 2
your potential top speed is limitless, and strafejumping accelerates you constantly if you do it right

>>5741232
id fucked up by selling the shareware version with the full version being unlockable with an additional payment. Problem was that people quickly figured out how to unlock the full version on their own pretty quickly.

>>5742254
>whiplish
whiplAsh

>>5742294
whiplish.png

Is there like a size limit to how big a level can be in quake?
I'm testing my level and I'm just walking along a path but it teleports me out of bounds in the void on the opposite side of my map.

>>5742410
Without using a different protocol, 4096 units in each direction from 0,0,0, making a cube 8192 units on each side. Ctrl+A and center your map more towards where the axes meet; if you're still hitting the limits after that on a first map, you're falling for the Doom trap and building too far horizontally without making use of enough verticality.

>>5741005
Yes, TNT first, Plutonia second. TNT gets slow in the last third and Plutonia's difficulty might put you off a little

>>5738656
>American McGee
I think that he means that American McGee is the universe of discourse. He is everything and anything.

>>5738715
Hair looks wrong.

Remember Sigil?

>>5742161
Had a good chuckle at that.
Quake is all about gothic aesthetics though, to the point that trying to recreate/imitate the Notre Dame in Trenchbroom is actually entirely appropriate.

>>5742509
Yeah, I was listening to the Buckethead tracks while putting up my goods at the register at the store earlier, and I was thinking "Goddamn, this guitar is absolutely lit!" and also "Man, I never did play through Sigil on UV, nor did I find the secret level, I need to do that."

So I think I'll go and do that.

>>5742161

>>5738173
Copper Quake updated to 1.05
http://lunaran.com/copper/index.html

>>5742534
How do Quake 1 skins even work? I don’t recall the game ever supporting it.

What a fucking great game that Doom I and II are.

At what point did all went to shit? Gaming noways sucks fucking balls.
At what point did we go from gameplay focused games to the shit that it's mainstream nowadays?

Fuck modern gaming and fuck you. inb4 contrarians.

>>5742547
Sounds like a personal problem to me.

>>5742547
How about you go back to /v/ if you're gonna bitch about modern gaming then. If you act cancerous then you'll be considered cancerous.

>>5742547
Even back in the 1990s-early 2000s there were games with gameplay that was neither about getting to the flag at the end of the level nor offing as many enemies as you can.

>>5742547

Guy who made Quake 1.5 made Doom 2016 in Quake
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1DNsy1ppHiw_P-9aFrElEbEhUqIOUtCny&export=download

>>5742563

>>5742564

>>5742563
>>5742564

>>5742565

>>5742563
>>5742564
>>5742565
What to heck

>>5742547
based cynical loser who thinks they have great taste in gaming

what the fuck

>>5742572
>>5742568
It's just a beta release with a single demo map but its got all the weapons, gore nests, enemies and glory kill kind of equivalent

Fairly new to wadding, using the good ol drag'n'drop method on GZDoom, dragged and dropped Memento Mori's MM and MMUS.wad but for whatever reason when i reached map 7 it reverted back to Doom II, am i missing something here?

>>5742589
It's still impressive and looks pretty good.

>>5742547
>>5742563
fucking timing

>>5741734
Man I wish every enemy and gun was remade with the prerender style. Thats the problem with old prerendered games, all the 3D models are lost to time

>17 hours spent detailing what I now realize is exactly ten seconds of average-speed walking

>>5742563
fucking based

>>5742589
I haven't played it, so I can't make a full judgement of course, but he visuals are pretty spot on, and it's impressive to look at.

>first doom 2016 gets a mod that adds more enemies
>now someone demasters it in the quake engine
ain't no mod tools, but should be fun. off to have a good time.

>>5742664
It's a start. Supposedly iD wants to eventually deliver on real mod tools for Doom Eternal, so maybe we'll see more elaborate stuff in the future.

>>5742563
Tried it a bit and this guy is a fucking wizard.
Quake 1.5. sure was impressive but this,I can't wait to play it.
But where did you get this info?

>>5742624
why do shamblers look like this in the reboot?

>>5742680
he is probably a discord leaker

>>5742563
My viewmodels are absolutely fucked up, but it's what I'm assuming to be a very early release, so it's fine. I probably installed everything wrong. Shit's neat so far.

Does anybody know where I can find a map compilation for Quake 1 that contains early Quake maps with fixes?

>>5742706
to match ranger's cat ears of course

>>5742757
he should've meowed since 1996.

>>5742706
Someone either shoop away the ears on that cat, or put kawaii uguu catears on a Shambler, I need one of these to happen.

>d'sparil on black plague
>spams so many disciples at me that the game starts to lag and the whole map is just purple projectiles
i'm not convinced this is possible

>>5742783
I missed this image so much.

>>5742796
He's gotta deliver some important lab results.

>>5742805
>lab results
>lab
oh.

>>5742563
ALPHA
MALE

>>5742819
he's gonna fuck your bitch

>>5742767
wonder what the ears would look like on the shambler

>old player model was apparently just the Q3A doomguy but with nudoom textures
If it wasn't in the jello format of Q1, it might not look so bad

>>5738172
Recently played one of the console versions of nuDoom 1. WOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME WEAPONS CAN BE UPGRADED WITH CURRENCY IN-GAME!

>>5742935
I'm pretty sure they do? Like they tell you to go after those bots carrying upgrades, and to do challenges and objectives to get points.

>10k on the Doom video
That's just weird man

>playing Quake for the first time today
>trash at it despite being on the easiest difficulty and going through levels with all the grace of a drunk and not finding much, if any, secrets
I like it though!

>>5743013
You'll get used to it. I find that the game was the most fun on Medium and Hard, you might move up there with some practice and experience.

>Mod_LoadTexinfo: 11 texture(s) missing from BSP file

I get this when trying to load the demo_map in the Slayer mod. I tried the other maps, and they give me the same error, but with different numbers. I tried on vkquake and quakespasm

>>5743084
The map author forgot to apply textures to some brushes somewhere. It shouldn't normally stop a map from loading.

>>5743089
I wonder why it's fucking me up then? I should mention that the program just closes about a second after giving me that message

>>5743084
>>5743089
>>5743091
looking again. I'm also getting
>Segmentation fault (core dumped)

>>5738172
How long is System Shock 2? My time is limited and I want to know if I'll have time to play it.

>>5743103
I dunno liek 12 hours or maybe 16?

>>5743095
I have absolutely no idea what would be causing that error. Normally segfault is something memory related in your OS itself; you're getting that message in Quake? What OS, Quake setup, etc.?

>>5743136
using Arch linux with vkquake from the AUR. I've only had this problem with this new Slayer mod. I've played the normal campaign, the mission packs, and Arcane dimensions without any problems

>>5743135
Cool. Sounds short. I'll definitely play it then since it looks cool.

>>5743139
>Arch
Well there's your problem. Really though, /g/ memes aside (as I'm guilty of running it myself on a laptop), that sounds like the mod's fucking something up itself. Got a link to the download? I can't find one anywhere. Might be able to peruse it and see what's up. The mod itself is loading fine or else you couldn't get to the console, and the map STARTS loading fine, else it wouldn't spit out the missing texture error, but apparently something goes fucky at that point.

>>5743143
I just got the download from here in this thread >>5742563

>>5742783
Do you Chocolate Heretic?
Also yes, that fight is possible, but you have to get the puzzle behind it, its principle. Haven't blackplague-wandstarted it though.

>>5743148
Well, the mod works on Windows, even if they accidentally didn't comment out one line in the default config properly. Will throw Quake on the laptop now and see if it runs there.

>>5743084
keep in mind that this mod is probably not even supposed to be released to the public yet, any problems you might have could potentially be rectified in the future.

In E4M2, how exactly do you open the hidden door that leads to a bunch of shotgun guys, a baron, some imps, and a teleporter? Whether or not I can get it to open seems kind of random to me.

>>5743158
Alright, can't get a screenshot offhand but it's not just you, the mod immediately crashes on my system as well. Had to take a few minutes aside because for some reason there's a Microsoft partition on my drive now despite Windows having never touched this system and searching for similar cases is totally useless.

>>5743165
Well, the mods seems to work in darkplaces, but the text is absolutely fucked

>>5743193
Thanks for checking for me, hopefully this will be fixed in later versions

>>5743203
No problem. No idea what would be causing it, honestly- maybe the author did something really fucky in the QuakeC somewhere. As it is he used camelCase for the mod name which is not only a no-no for Quake itself given how finicky it can be with file paths but a pain for those of us who are novices that barely use Loonix and forget everything there is case-sensitive.

>>5743140
Yeah, it's no 30-40 hour rpg, with side quests and shit. You can breeze through pretty readily if you aren't fucking off too much. Though I spent an unhealthy amount of time in overworld on the gamepig.

Is there a better source port of Quake than ProQuake when it comes to LAN MP? Looking for a great solution to be able to host this or next weekend.

>>5743346
for LAN you can use literally anything, the old netquake protocol works just fine over LAN
it's only when you have significant ping (i.e. playing online) that it starts to feel like shit and quakeworld takes precedence

REEEEEEEEEEE why is Blender so hard to learn? I just want to make a fish. I wish Sketchup hadn't been sold, it was fucking easy to just make some shitty low poly shapes.

>>5743370
fuck blender. get max or maya, get on cgpeers, and torrent some good paid tutorials.

>Checks out the latest version of Project Brutality
>It's a clusterfuck of sounds and particle effects
>It's full of useless features and weapons
Wtf, I knew that this mod was a "Brutal Doom X10" but come on this is a mess

>>5743386
Welcome to the one of the biggest pitfalls of doom mods: Feature creep and an overabundance of STUFF. Just as much STUFF as they can humanly cram into a single mod. I kinda hate it.

>>5743394
It's a thing I dislike too. It's cool to have more mechanics and different ways to play but there's a point you should stop.
It's impressive to watch but when you play them it's not that much fun.

I think one of the few ones that managed to pull it right is Guncaster. It essentially replaces the basic Doom weaponry and adds some new ones. It has a shop and inventory but they're easy to navigate.
My main issue are the particle effects which tend to slow it down.

At least it has a clever idea of what it wants to do.
Project Brutality is basically "let's throw as much stuff as we can, steal it if necessary".

Question about Quakespasm - is there any way to edit the crosshair?
I'm used to playing with a simple green 2x2 pixel dot. Is there any way to change Quakespasm's crosshair to that?

>tfw unable to enjoy games that have linear/bilinear/trilinear texture filtering
>some great games from the late 90s and early 00s have this enabled and it's impossible to disable them

>>5743419
Yeah. Use the console. Should be something like "crosshair x" where x is the number crosshair you want. Look up the exact command if it isn't that but you can edit it.

>>5743451
nope, crosshair stays the same. Looks like that variable is only 1 or 0 and there are no other types of crosshair unless you mod it in.
So the next question is: how do I mod crosshair for Quakespasm?

>>5743462
Custom pak files

>>5743468
but what exactly do i put in those files? are there crosshair mods already that i can alter?

>>5743419
No. The crosshair in QS- and in vanilla Quake, and all ports that inherit that behavior, so basically everything but Darkplaces and its weird red-X or the Quakeworld ports- isn't actually a specific crosshair, but a plus sign from the ingame font displayed in the center of the screen.

>>5743451
That's a DP thing. In vanilla, the crosshair command controls -scaling- of the crosshair, as it doesn't auto-scale up with the HUD and console.

>>5743534
Rather, crosshair itself is just 0/1 (off/on) with scr_crosshairscale controlling the size. If you make it big enough you can actually see the grey drop-shadow effect that the font has.

>>5739206
C'mon man

I want to play some multiplayer Quake. Which game currently has the most active multiplayer scene? I'm pretty new but love how fast the game is.

Also did Champions ever find an audience or has it kinda died out?

>>5743572
The only people playing are people who are unbelievably god like veterens.

I think "Quakeworld" is the main hub for the like, 10 servers that are active.

>>5743579
That's a shame. Any similar games that might be better for someone new to older FPS? I have UT and UT2004 in my GOG library it seems.

>>5743572
Quake Live seriously isn't that bad for multiplayer Quake. And it has people actually playing it.

>>5743427
Doom? can disable
Quake? can disable
Thief? can disable
HL? can disable

>>5743609
I figured out how to disable it for Turok and Turok 2, even though it requires a mod, but Oni won't let me disable and I can't find a mod that does it.
(I realize Oni isn't technically retro but it's still frustrating.)

>>5743554
Yeah, yeah, understood, I already changed it. Sorry not sorry.

>>5742534
Could someone PLEASE find the screenshots of the long lost Space Hulk 40k mod for Q1?

>>5743534
>>5743537
Can you alter it so it uses "." instead of "+"?
And maybe change its color?

>>5742563
Holy shit this is some of the most beautiful texture design I've ever seen in the Quake engine

>>5743689
Huh?

>>5742563
Just shove this directly in Quakespasm and it works beautifully. If he finishes making all the levels this might be the best Quake mod ever made, and I've played Arcane Dimensions.

Been playing Wolf3D lately and just got to the second episode. Been having fun so far. Should I look forward to Spear of Destiny and Mission 2/3?

After the Quake mapping fun is there any chance we could all jump on the Turok train?

Nightdive out out a pretty cool looking level editor they made from scratch a few years ago and from the looks of it like half a dozen people only ever bothered to use it. Most aren't even aware it's a thing.

Turok!

>>5743770
never played Turok but that sounds like fun
but one at the time please

also I'm still adamant of Thief

>>5743770
Turok at it's best is just Quake with dinosaurs though. At its worst it's a Nintendo 64 platformer with confusing level design.
Why do you like it? I have all the Turok games available for PC but the arcadey 3-lives thing and level design just aren't that fun to me.

>>5743780
I wish more FPS had lives systems. I prefer them to quicksaves.

Did I dream or there used to be a thief general on /vr/?

>>5743774
Didn't you say the deadline for Thief submissions for some other project thing was a year from now? Lol

We should have a strawpoll to vote for Thief/Duke3D/Quake 2/Turok

We should do one a month (if HUH isn't a shitshow). A month to make a full map is enough for people that want to spend a lot of time or people who wanna just slap together something in their spare time.

>>5743789
How about a RR mapping contest? That could be interesting.

>>5743789
oh yeah for some reason the guys in ttlg wanted to hit the ground running for the 20th anniversary
not that I'm complaining

have you tried editing for Build? how much of a pain in the ass is it?

>>5743794
>>5743789
I actually think Outlaws would be a great game to map for and it doesn't have many good single player maps.

>>5743802
we can throw in Unreal too, just for the hell of it

though Outlaws was a great game, wouldn't mind giving it some love, assuming the mapping tools are not too arcane

>>5743780
>having this shit of an opinion
Not sure if you're trolling, but as much as I like Quake, Turok 2 btfo's it any day of the week even without makeup.

Sigil when?

>Unreal Tournament 1999 is dead
>Counter-Strike 1.6 is dead
>Team Fortress Classic is dead
where the fuck do I play multiplayer now?

>>5743749
its still downloadable or its lost to history?

i remember that there was even 1st person storm bolter models

the doom comic page was silently updated with a new better scan https://www.doomworld.com/10years/doomcomic/comic.php?page=0

>>5743859
Based Slowpoke

>>5743846
play teftu
its got rocketjumping

>>5743859
OP Mega's got a better scan

>>5743534
It's funny, the crosshair's so small and nonconventional (it just being a plus sign from the font) but despite that I can easily aim just fine and land good amount of hits 90%+ of the time. Goes to show how controlling Quake with the right settings/sourceport still feels great after over 20 years.

>>5743370
>>5743373
Blender isnt any harder than Maya. Especially now.
Anyone telling you to avoid it in favor of Maya is an idiot.

>>5743895
>OP Mega's got a better scan

you could not possibly be more wrong

* the old doomworld scan was literally that exact scan, just resampled smaller for web view

* that exact scan was originally given to doomworld through back channels and then the CBZ was ORIGINALLY COMPILED AND RELEASED ON THE DOOM COMIC PAGE

*the new scan is higher resolution and has more saturated colors with better accuracy

>>5743918
How's blender better than maya? Other than it being free.

>>5742534
is staring at that tight derriere considered heresy?

>>5743931
More than just a resample I think. I'm not so sure it's the same print, anon.

>trying to continue with space station map
>have no motivation to continue because I still have to add rooms in a semi-meaningful manner, place lights, decorations and enemies
>considering doing a CTF episode with just techbase enemies who try to take over the station
>escape shuttle still looks like shit

>>5744018
it looks ok to me

>>5744018
This looks fine to me. Don't lose yourself in this. It's just meant for fun. Don't be expecting or pushing yourself for massive quality.

>>5744018
that shit looks neat man

>>5744016
>More than just a resample I think. I'm not so sure it's the same print, anon.

same scan, I can tell by the pixels,

What programs were used to make the textures for 3D games like Quake and Half Life?

>>5744309
Paint

Anyone know a mod like this that works for every mods?
https://www.moddb.com/addons/doom-2016-soundtracks-for-starter-pack

>>5744310
Really? I always thought Paint was just a basic pre-installed program. I didn't think you could do all that with it. Then again, those guys were professional artists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX5AHYZ5NJM
What tricks do you use in /vr/ games?

>>5744312
It does

>>5744241
But what happened to the screentones?