/vr/ - Retro Games

Inb4 "not /vr/"fag posts again

>>5737628
well it IS /diablo/,so it includes diablo 1

>>5737616
i shall cleanse this land

>people actually use the town portal keybind even though it takes like 7 to 13 frames
Unbelievable.

>>5737902
The virgin button press vs the Chad Ancestral Tome Reading.

is it really faster to use the book itself?

>>5737902
Cope

>>5737908
Obviously it is faster. There is no delay when using the tome directly. Although of course this is all stupid, the only purpose of the town portal tome is for cows, proper town portaling means putting scrolls in your belt.

>>5737956
>proper town portaling means putting scrolls in your belt.
correct.

>>5737902
>>5737956
fucking retard

>>5737981
>they hated Jesus because he told them the truth.jpg

>>5738003
don't compare yourself to Jesus,animal

fuck me imagine if this was + javelins

>>5737616
nice job on starting a thread with no info OP

>>5738059
Tbh, you can just buy 3/20 gloves from Anya.

Perfect Bagelring!

Which build utilizes toxic small charms of anthrax etc.? I have about dozen 100 poison damage in 5 second, and few 313.

>>5738375
People used to use them on physical bowzons, but I never thought it was much good. Might be alright in cows.

>>5738375
Poison charms haven't been relevant since 1.10 fixed the buggy ranged poison damage.

>>5738375
They're useful if you don't have OW or PMH on your gear.

Path of Diablo ladder reset on August 2nd, fellow Redditors.

>>5738598
Why do they even still call it Path of Diablo? The only part that is anything like the game it is named after is the Orb of Corruption. Otherwise it is an incredibly generic mod with few changes.

>17 runs into travincal and chill and he drops you this rune

>>5738660
lol I fucked up

>>5738375
There's nothing even remotely interesting to use them for in PVE.

>>5738664
Jah bless.

>>5738660
nice hel rune, m8

Reminder that completing a Holy Grail run doesn't count if you are on 1.13+ due to the grossly inflated rune drop rates.

>>5738714
Cool story bro.

>>5738625
it sounds cool

>>5738714
jokes on you, by the time I find a Tyrael's I will have all the runes i the game in multiple copies, and I exclusively run my grails on 1.07 to have fewer runewords

>>5738714
Holy Grail doesn't include runes, so it is void. HG is uniques and sets.

Maybe if you're doing Collect-a-thon, then good luck with all runewords, quest items, every possible white, eth, magic, rare version of item... where does it end?

>>5738941
>where does it end?
Insanity.

>>5738941
it's not a real collect-a-thon if you don't have a perfect cruel warpike of quickness with two sockets from 1.07d

>>5738096
sorry

previous >>5707454

> Best D2 wiki out there
https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Main_Page
> > RESET WHEN
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73916272
> Guide to rune hunting in LK current to 1.13+
https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/1-13-lk-patterns.764531/
> Unified Guides and builds on jsp
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=69506039
> D2 drop calculatorS
http://dropcalc.silospen.com/item.php
http://mfb.bplaced.net/dropcalc/index.php
Cool D2 promo, concept artworks, monster renderers and more
http://www.mobygames.com/game/diablo-ii/promo
> Version 1.13d, for running off-realm, third-party mods and utils including plugy
http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/diablo2exp/patches/PC/LODPatch_113d.exe
> PlugY injector for improving your SP experience
http://plugy.free.fr/en/index.html
> 3dfx-voodoo glide wrapper, for lighting the way it was meant to be seen
http://www.svenswrapper.de/english/

DIABLO1
> Last semi active D1 community
http://tristr.am/
> Jarulf's Guide (every game mechanic & stat for D1)
http://www.bigd-online.com/JG/JGFrame.html
> D1 game engine engineered
https://github.com/dgengin/DGEngine

>>5738598
Same date when Curse of Tristram beta 2 releases
also slasldiablo ladder reset on July 19th 8PM EDT

>>5738598
>fellow Redditors.
How far back would we need to go to set things right?

who here /median xl/ this Friday

>>5739398
If I dont find a Lo rune and finish my fort for my barb by then, I'll be in.

>>5738941
>where does it end?

>>5738363
lucky bastard, i finally got my first unique ring in months and it was the lowest possible roll on nagelring.

>>5738375
stacking poison damage items also stacks the duration, which makes them kind of sucky.
so if you have 10 charms that each do 100dmg over 5 seconds it means they're doing 1000dmg over 50 seconds.

>>5739725
So the tick damage never increases, just the about of ticks? Damn that's gay

>Start a game
>thinks assasing will be fun
>take forever to kills mobs due to single target attacks
>what few AoE attacks she has aren't as effect as say a wizard

Trying to get into Diablo 2, what's the most fun class and build to play without literally killing enemies one by one?

>>5739771
>assasing
Holy shit I'm still asleep

>>5739771
Assassin has an insanely powerful and easy-to-use AoE build - Trapsin. You can start it fairly early in Normal by maxing out Fire Traps and then respeccing later to a standard build with Death Sentry, Lightning traps, and utility. It plays kinda (kiiiiinda) like the Totem builds in PoE, if you're familiar with that.

That said, you seem to have given up on playing when being fairly weak and single-target oriented is a reality for most classes in the early game; ramp-up is slower than in newer takes in the genre. Every class gets some AoE at some point, though, and some of it very effective. Assassin can be a real screen cleaner; casters in D2 generally don't need godly gear to be impressive in that regard.

You kinda sound like you're easily discouraged and dismissive of the first few levels of the game; I'mma give you benefit of the doubt and post a few babby's first builds that will steamroll Normal difficulty and unlock decent AoE fairly early, but will need to be respec'd at some point:
>Trapsin (Fire)
>Bonemancer (max Teeth)
>Elemental Druid (Fire, max Firestorm)
>any Sorceress
>Javelin Amazon
>Double Swing Barbarian
>Holy Fire Paladin

>>5739801
I'll listen to you.
https://diablo.gamepedia.com/Trapsin_by_Ferr3t

I just want to have fun.

>>5739771
Summoner aka Corpse Explo Necro. Literally don't need gear, that is, he is great even with shit gear anyone CAN afford.

Make sure you get amulet of teleport for Arcane Sucktuary and *aggot Lair. And Decrep on bosses.

>>5739857
>Summoner aka Corpse Explo Necro
Corpse Explo Necro can be any Necro.
Anyway, Anon has problems with the game being too slow early on, and Summoners aren't known for breaking speed limits, plus CE isn't feasible to invest many hard points into until you build up your summons; "Dentist" build with maxed Teeth would let him zoom around Normal and then he could respec later. Guy seems to have given up at level 5, tops.

>>5739742
yeah. it just means you have to be careful with the poison dmg over X seconds items you pick up and dont pick up ones that add too much duration or shit dmg for the duration.
say if you're a poison damage necro and you're doing 5k dmg over 3 seconds, DONT equip the item that's like 10dmg over 30 seconds. It'll make it 5030dmg over 33 seconds.

>>5739771
any class with big aoes that can clear the whole screen.
trapsin (fire traps then respec into death/lightning sentry)
meteorb sorc (blizzard then respec into frozen orb & fire skills)
windydruid (fissure then respec into tornado & hurricane)
any necro build (they're all corpse explosion plus something to get the first kill)
javazon
hammerdin

a lot of builds require respeccing halfway through Nightmare
single elemental builds are tougher, so with javazon in hell you'll need a good merc and a wand with lower resist charges until you get yourself an Infinity.

>>5739801
I'm running a holy fire pally, my first SP char that I intend to beat hell with.
What should I respec into later in the game other than hammers? I would like to build something fun and also effective.

is there any way to get glide looking as crisp as DirectDraw? Going full screen with a glide wrapper makes the game super blurry, like there's some sort of weird texture filtering. Is it the scaling?

>Version 1.13d
How do I install this?
Do I really want this or I'm going to be fine with the most up to date official patch?

>>5740193
for me its the frost zealot

>>5740347
What a drag

>>5739771
dude, stick with assassin or at least give it another shot later. martial arts assassin is definitely not the easiest build, a pally necro or sorc will be infinitely easier, but it's fun. tiger strike is a great one point wonder for physical damage, and you can pick a charge skill to put points in (i usually do claws of thunder, some people say blades of ice can work), and you throw 20 in that skill, phoenix strike, and a finishing move of your choice. from there you can do some neat shit with shadow disciple skills which can be pretty useful. it's fun and there are plenty of different things you can do, but the best assassin AoE comes from claws of thunder or maybe phoenix strike. early skills won't have it.

>>5740347
Run as admin, for windows XP sp2/3, try all three video settings, disable desktop composition.

The only reason you'd want to use 1.13 is for PlugY or specific mods. If it's too much effort to get 1.13 running because you're a brainlet, then just use 1.14. Gomule is a fine replacement for PlugY that works on the latest versions.

>>5740384
>PlugY
And why would I want to use PlugY? How worse is the SP experience without it?

>>5740387
It just gives infinite stash space and the ability to reset you character whenever you want. It's not necessary. If you didn't intend to use it, then why the hell are you even bothering with 1.13?

PlugY isn't necessary, especially if you've never played before/are returning after a long time. You'll probably want it eventually, but just play the game vanilla at first.

>>5740392
Yeah I'm doing that because I keep getting this error >>5740357 and I'm done with it. What a drag.

You guys don't mind playing in 800 by 600?

>>5740401
I've never had an issue with it, but I did grow up with the technology. You can run it in a window, then stretch it out to fit a screen and I guess there are resolution mods for older versions if you're super autismo about muh grafics.

>>5740401
MultiRes has more screen resolution options if you want.

>>5740387
Infinite shared stash, ladder-only runewords and uberquest enabled, and diablo clone mechanic.

So all the benefits that are normally gated behind ladder + infinite stash, it's really nice.

>>5740409
Meh I just want to enjoy the game by myself so I guess I'll be fine with the game as it comes directly bought from Battle.net.

>>5740193
could always go Auradin, Smite pally or Zealot.

>>5740193
Delete the trashadin and make a rift kicker.

>>5740401
no

>>5740415
I would at minimum enable ladder runewords. The quality of life and build variety they provide is insane.

>>5740415
You're going to wish you had the ladder only runewords and expanded stash imo.

>>5740552
>>5740561
Both of which do not require Plugy or 1.13, by the way.

>>5740401
Of course. Anything higher completely breaks the game, the AI isn't built for higher resolutions.

>>5740576
What's the best runeword mod?

>>5740658
Plugy.

>>5740658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2nzJwIDPI&t=2s - it's not necessary for singleplayer unless you're a meta loving fuckboi, or intend to play a lot. Don't listen to the plugy spamming shitters, they're all retarded. I use it, but I'm not low enough IQ to think it's necessary to force onto new players.

>>5740664
shithead

I would have a seizure if I played vanilla Diablo 2 without PlugY. By this point it has become synonymous.

>>5739895
Holy shit I never knew that. That's awful. On that note would poison damage from gear even affect poison spells of Necro? What about Plague Javelin?

>always dream of having sp infinity
>farm lk for ~30 hours
>jah and 2x sur before i find a single ber
>fuck it
>cube sur into ber
>make mp nig
>give to summon necro
>have a blast
>doubt creeps in
>still really want that infinity
>lose all desire to play before i do that grind again
fug

>>5739771
The classes have huge range of variety in their clear speed and how they scale through out the game. If you start comparing classes to each other you'll easily end up just playing the couple strongest builds and nothing else. I'd recommend sticking it through if you think it might be fun but Martial Arts Assassin definitely isn't the easiest thing to start out with.
In general leveling is the easiest with skills that scale flat damage on skill levels. Barbarian gets the short stick on that end as they're pretty much stuck with entirely weapon damage based skills except for Warcry but that ain't exactly a starting build..

>>5740193
Holy Shock is an option but immunes will still be a problem to an extent. But there's always various ways of dealing with them. Hammerdin is probably the easiest to gear and strongest option overall.

>>5740271
Enabling the last option in the Extensions menu adds Supersampling to the Renderer menu which will help a bit. Bilinear Filtering might actually introduce more blur in a way so test disabling that.

>>5740720
Flat damage never adds to spells. Poison damage does add to plague javelin. Note that there are only a few cases in the game where flat damage adds to secondary missiles (missiles produced by other missiles or attacks).

>plague javelin
>poison javelin
>exploding arrow
>immolation arrow
>freezing arrow

>>5740401
>>5740407
>>5740405
Using the glide wrapper enables you to run it without stretching in fullscreen or customize the window resolution without changing the viewport resolution of the game. I run mine in a 1280x960 window with captured mouse which works great.

>>5740723
Look at it. 2 months worth of playing. God bless 1.13.

>in blizzard hq early 2000
>how about we have shrines with beneficial effects such as increase res or defense etc.?
>yes that's cool but how about we also have cursed attribute on unique monsters which overrides the shrine and it appears on almost every mob because we have only 10 bonuses and on hell difficulty every unique gets at least 8 of them?
>t-that is retarded?
>no u

Fucking fuck. What's the point of shrines in Hell difficulty? Didn't anyone think this through?

>>5740720
yeah that was a typo, I meant to write "poison dagger necro"
but yeah, other guy is right.

>>5740983
Don't get hit, get more defense or just mod out the curse overlap, or just play a paladin with 100% curse duration reduction.

>tomb vipers, burning souls, undead dolls brokenly op
>stacking poison items doesn't work properly
>curses overlap shrines buffs
What other fuck-ups have Blizzard still haven't fixed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk01a63Imt8 that's the same guy voicing the paladin, after all he's a nigger

>>5741038
Cursed doesnt care about hits, its aoe spell and triggers on cast/radius. I get it all the time on my Necro and I am way in the back never getting hit. I think it is a interesting idea but I would bet I see it on every fucking unique pack. I pick up shrine but know it will last for 5 seconds until first pack.

>running a hammerdin through maggot lair
took me like an hour

>>5741528
I just had a similar problem with a summonmancer in nightmare. Then I remembered I had a tele amulet.

So there's a Diablo rougelike - do you guys think Diablo 2 would work as a rougelike?

It's going to be a long way until Level 12.

>>5741796
just use traps as secondary right now, find a decent stick, and beat shit with attack for a while imo. it'll be faster and less asspain than managing mana with shock web or fire blast. or better yet, play through as an MAsin for normal and have fun that way, then respec to trapsin for NM when you have a mana pool and decent skills

>>5741919
>MAsin
You'll have to explain that.

>>5741976
Martial Arts assassin. You can actually do quite a lot of single-target damage while maxing Tiger Strike through Normal or something of this sort.

>>5741528
>>5741539
Trying soloing with follow bots without having teleport, only using tp scrolls to unfuck yourself.

>>5741528
>farm gold
>gamble for tele ammy
>farm gold
>use up tele charges
>repair
>repeat until staff of kings

Or respec to some melee build and be done with it, then return to hammers.

what the fuck were they thinking?

>>5740983
the Fade on Smoke runeword reduces curse duration by quite a bit, like 60 or 70% something.

>>5741528
for hammerdin, summonmancer etc it's sometimes worth just trying to get a staff with teleport charges from Ormus.

>>5742141
how the fuck does one of these things melee you for 2 or 3k damage in the first place?
then you finally kill one and the corpse explosion fucking finishes you off anyway.

>>5742141
Hell obviously wasn't playtested nor intended to be completed solo. Untwinked hell with a party isn't any harder than nightmare.

>>5742252
Except characters with ranged options, crowd control, or just a plain old mercenary, can simply outrange these things. Hell, a melee with proper footwork and max block can likely take them 2-3 at once and avoid whirling right into a full pack. Nothing supports your claim.

Any MH out there that can filter out the unwanted/undesirable loot?

>>5742259
>Except characters with ranged options
Tell me all of the "characters with viable ranged options" pre-1.09 for an untwinked hell playthrough. Hint: There's precisely one.
>crowd control
lol
>mercenary
Will die to the explosion without battle orders or heavily twinked gear.
>Hell, a melee with max block
Yes this is a completely standard setup for melee going into hell untwinked. Get over yourself.

just watched a retard streamer respec his hc character's skills, but forgot to add in his stat points, so he died immediately lmao.

>>5742285
>Tell me all of the "characters with viable ranged options" pre-1.09 for an untwinked hell playthrough. Hint: There's precisely one.
Sorceress, huh? And also Javazon - Lightning Fury bolts carry physical damage, and that means you can just lifeleech forever. Hell, even a fucking Bowazon, because Crushing Blow
works on ranged attacks on 1.07. Hammerdins still work even with a nerfed Concentration aura.
>crowd control
Hurricane Druids, Druid pets, Valkyrie, Revives, Barbarian warcries. There's plenty.
>melee with max block
>completely standard setup for untwinked melee in hell
If you're untwinked melee in Hell, you're likely a paladin with a fast weapon abusing an elemental aura, and thus with Holy Shield, so you're likely high block, you're a Barbarian who doesn't give a shit about the bone fetishes because he can just Warcry them to submission, or a Druid who either Shockwaves them or sics a Grizzly on them.

Even in the "hastily released beta" state that pre 1.09d is, I have no idea why you insist on being this derisive, as all of these methods work well in the versions that people actually play nowadays instead of just rack-running for 1.07 items.

>>5742141
No excuses for dying to these.

>barbarian
Use howl or war cry
>amazon
Decoys, valkyrie, any bow skill, any ranged javelin skill, charged strike, pretty much everything works.
>assassin
One point blade fury, one point blade sentinel, any ranged skill, cloak of shadows
>druid
Elemental is never going to have an issue. Bear has shockwave, the most broken skill in the game. Only issue is if you are a non-rabies werewolf without a bear, but you'd have to be a tard to do that
>paladin
Only character that kind of has troubles, but you deserve it for playing this metacharacter. Still not really an issue if you are careful
>sorceress
If you need this explained, just quit, you are too retarded for Diablo 2
>necromancer
See above

>>5738625
it has maps too

>>5737616
>>5737628
hello, samefriend

>>5742643
I cant tell you how many times I died because I either teleported onto one through a wall or had it run up on me and my necro army killed it before I could react worth a fuck

WE ALL KNOW HARDCORE IS WHERE THE MEN PLAY.

>>5743064
>dies from latency
Yeah, real manly.

>>5743194
Nothing more manly than one finger hovering over your S&E macro at all times.

>>5743058
this. they move too fast, have small sprites and camouflage well to the dark dungeons.
usually they've already got 2 or 3 hits in on me before I'm able to react. skills like cold armor, bone armor, hurricane etc help kinda but all it takes is these cunts jumping on you when you're not full HP and you're fucked.

>>5743387
Geared summon necros are the only build with good clearspeed that can pretty much ignore them.

>>5739347
>slashdiablo
>botting isn't allow but maphacks are
Can someone explain this retarded logic?

>find a nightwings
>9%
fuuuuck

>>5742285
>>mercenary
>Will die to the explosion without battle orders or heavily twinked gear.

Mercs isn't affected by the explosion.

>>5743432
>go to vendor
>hello ms. malah who has been living on the mountain forever and knows every nook and cranny
>can you sell me some maps of the mountain so I can see what's where?
>no dear, every time you go to sleep (save & exit) mountain terrain resets
>wtf?

Maphack should've been allowed since default.

bump

I've added RIVER OF FLAME to my MF runs and over the past few days I've found a Sur and a Lo rune there. Very very nice. Also River is really nice for my Meteorb sorc since only one fire immune spawns.

On another note, I've done around 100 Nilithak runs in the span of a week or so and no fucking keys. How the fuck can I find FOUR HIGHRUNES before I get a key?

How do you get good at the first Diablo?

>>5744380
Advance slowly, a few squares at a time, use doodads and doorways to form chokepoints, strafe left-to-right and right-to-left to dodge projectiles, max out Dexterity first if Warrior (and I mean hard 5 points in level up every level), learn how to utilize magic, keep various resistance jewelry and other backup stuff on you.

>>5744364
>the third installment is divisive and ultimately heavily flawed buildup on themes from the 2nd installment but I ultimately found both of them somewhat enjoyable even if definitely not a flagship product
I guess Immortal/D4 will be Alien Resurrection.

>>5743691
eh, you learn the maps over time anyway. the only truly unpredictable part of the game is the jungles and even then there are patterns to follow.

>>5744380

Progress very slowly if you're a sorcerer until you get enough levels in key spells.

Keep stone curse on a hot key later to for crowd control for strong melee attackers.

Use firewalls for large packs.

Unless you're playing multiplayer, chain lighting and fire ball are the best spells.

Rouge is pretty similar. Most damage comes from Dex and your level so any bow with knockback is best. Just make sure to go slow and retreat back into areas you've explored.

Warrior is the hardest end game. Succubi will start running away from your character faster than you can run. Try to corner trap them. Stone curse works too. You can also teleport right on top of them.

Just keep block high by hitting Dex early and resists and armor up. Any haste or speed weapon is the beest provided you can hit things with it. It allows you to stun lock councilors and succubi, so basically all you need to do is teleport on top of them and beat them to death. In the early levels use doors to only face one enemy at a time and maybe fire wall big groups behind the door.

If you get hard rolls in D1 it is very easy to die. It's extremely difficult to beat without going back to town even on normal. Just accept that it'll be harder than D2 and more about going slow and not getting mobbed and you'll do fine.

On the plus side, gear, aside from good AC for a warrior and decent resists, doesn't matter near as much so you never have to do runs. You just need to be appropriately leveled and learn the AI and some tactics or you get fucked.

pues hola onions nueva y me gustaria aprender a jugar megaman X8 en pc

>>5744741
the fuck is this? God I hate namefags.

>>5743432
maphack is not detectable anyway. It just freezes the game, injects dll, removes dll, and unfreezes the game. To any server, it looks like a 100 millisecond ping spike.

>>5744380
The sorc can swing a buckler like a madman.

>>5742217
that's on treachery, not smoke

>>5744741
Post in english only you namefag wetback.
We need to build a wall on 4chan.

>>5745002
oh you're right, my bad. got them mixed up.

>>5745719
Nice dude, greater mana potion.

>>5745732
You obviously didn't notice that rancid gas potion, a hundred bucks easy.

>>5739398
1.2 patch notes median-xl.com/changelog.php

>>5745816
Does MXL still have realm only content?

>>5744364
>I've done around 100 Nilithak runs in the span of a week or so and no fucking keys

Stop lying on the internet, retard.

>>5746112
I am serious. Still no Dkey. It's been over a week and I've got 2xLo, Sur, and Ohm this past week. Never seen such a key dryspell before.

USeast ladder

>>5746319
ecks dee

>>5746319
>forgetting to configure your bot to pick up keys

>>5746319
>tfw I collected the keys
>opened portal and got organs
>just copied the save file with organs and ran tristram until I got torches for all classes

I also copy files every time I make runewords so i end up with best rolls. Looking at you CtA with 1 to BO roll. Fuck you.

I regret nothing. It's the perk of SP and not wasting your life more than you already waste it. At least something.

I'm a brainlet who plays D2 mostly on single player but I've been reading lately that you can actually farm runes by killing the Countess a lot of times.

How the fuck do you do this?

>>5746659
You can upgrade runes with a cube recipe
countess has a guaranteed rune drop
Still probably faster to run LK on p8

Really debating switching to single player. I'm going to miss all the trading and pvping but jesus fuck the rng is too much in this game. I'd rather find nice runes, dupe em, and be on my way

Anyone playing medianxl tomorrow? New season starts. Not sure what I want to play was considering crossbow or melee necro

>>5746710
I never got my Lo rune so I'll be jumping in. I see they nerfed the fuck out of the blood amazon, so I'll have to figure out another char to use for early ladder mf.

>>5746354
I'm doing a bot free ladder this time. I have time to kill until my job starts. I finally got a Dkey doing keyruns while Dclone hunting. No luck on Dclone (can't even find the damn server and looks like it all died down anyways) and I died once to vipers losing a fuckton of experience just shy of leveling to 93. Why do I play this game? Is the loot worth the hours of my life?

Also, classic question: Tri-tal with Shako + occy or Full tal? What if you have infinity?

>>5746679
Yeah but how do you fight Countess again?

I'm reading about specialized builds but I have questions about the equipment.

For instance this, seems very specific.
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Trap_Assassin#Equipment
Is there a trick to obtain equipment like this?

>>5746774
you exit to character select make a new game and run the forgotten tower
All the enemies reset when you leave the game unlike diablo 1 SP

>>5746778
Some of those drops are fairly common so you just run act bosses over and over
Early on with shit gear I usually do andarial+meph games until I get max res atleast

>>5746785
Oh, so you basically restart the game and speedrun the first act until you get what you need.

What a drag.

>>5746785
Doesn't that mean the newly created character gets to keep the items tho?

>>5746837
>>5746846
No you just go in and out on the same character
Enemies reset but maps dont on SP

>>5746853
That's good to know

>>5745819

No, currently all of the realm content is also avaiable on SP

>>5746837
You don't even need all of that gear. People routinely beat the game on Hell without farming gear, or without considering high-end gear to be some sort of a breakpoint. Consider the list here >>5746778 as a suggestion.

If you want to MF a boss or area, you just remake games and take the waypoint to said boss or area.

There's no point to MFing on Normal, and only arguably on Nightmare -- really lowly geared MF sorcs might want to run Nightmare Andariel and Mephisto for some low-mid tier uniques and NM Andy is supposed to be the #1 boss for SoJs, but overall, MFing should be done in Hell.

There's also Nightmare Lower Kurast. It's a very lucrative spot for farming ridicule from Anon, so don't sleep on it.

>>5746932

>>5746932
Once you unlock difficulties you unlock them for everything or just the current character you're using?

>>5746971
Just the current character.

>>5746638
Why not just edit in the items and perfect rolls at that point?

>>5746638
>I also copy files every time I make runewords so i end up with best rolls
Yuck.
>Looking at you CtA with 1 to BO roll
I don't know that feel.

>>5746774
Jesus Christ. Its a main fucking quest. You just go to where she was when you did the quest and kill her again. There's a billion guides out there if you're completely retarded.

>>5746837
>what a drag
Cringey dumb ass.

>>5747090
>>5747095
To my defense, I had no idea bosses also respawned upon loading a file.

>>5747128
Did you not try? The first thing I'd do when I kill someone and it vomits lots of loot is see if I can do it again.

>>5746740
If you're on HC, avoid the occy at all cost, it will kill you eventually.

just did my first oober ever,it was FUN

What are the best classes to solo an uber?

>>5747425
smiter paladin is the best in the game
every class can run Uber besides sorceress I think

>>5747425
paladin>barbarian>druid>assassin>necromancer>amazon>sorceress

>>5743194
>dying in hardcore
git gud scrub

>>5747436
>>5747463
>tfw only have a necro, amazon, and sorceress
welp, looks like paladin is next.

>>5747436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff7LY6UF_AE

>>5747474
>unironic metafagging
Any class can do it.

alright boys time to roll a max cast rate fireballer

>>5747474
you can do it fine with necro if you have enigma

Have any of you read The Sin War trilogy? I downloaded it, but don't want to waste my time if it sucks.

>>5746717
Xbow necro, 2h grug barb, summon barb are all decent braindead starters

>>5738363
ive come to hate random values on unique items

>>5739374
say nigger allot and post cp. it keeps normies away

>>5747494
Enigma is unnecessary. Just use teleport charges.

>>5745719
Damn, Travincal, I need a Ber!

>>5748129
Cube Surs.

>>5748129
Ring is Manald but at least the Arachnid is not some transparent boi!

>>5748164
Thank you Mr. Pindle!

>>5748213
Just keep em comin!

>>5748164
>>5748213
>>5748228
>blizzfag
Just how pedestrian can you get.

>>5746971
Consider the difficulties as more like a "new game+" instead of a traditional difficulty where you pick one before you start the game. The enemies are higher level and you get a resistance penalty so that its harder to get to capped resists.

>>5747702
I read them, they were better than the warcraft christie golden schlock but I wouldnt consider them great. Felt like they had a slow start but were alright otherwise.

>>5748232
U just yelly cuz of my sick dropz.

>>5748232
get over yourself you faggot contrarian

based retarded ledditor

>>5748587
This is actually a classic scam, I read testimonies of this happening back in 2005.

>>5748590
The same time people used to scam unique shako with a white one socketed with emeralds.

>>5748587
>trading with anything but jsp
lol

>>5748614
>using jsp

>>5748228
Not seethrough version tho :(

>>5748587
I refuse to believe that this happens in 2019.

the nec with a shako looks like an armed peasant

>>5748619
I never had any problems with scamming on jsp. It was also a good way to roll realm assets over between seasons and even buy things for different games.

>>5748529
I'm certainly jelly of that windforce, since I've only ever seen one drop in the thousands of hours I've poured into D2 over the years, but you're still a nigger for MFing as a blizz sorc.

>>5749013
>>5748584

>>5748632
Post stash.

imagine being upset that someone uses a MFing character for MFing.

imagine being that insecure about your choice of mf character that you post three angry replies.

imagine being pic related

Stupid question: if I equip assassin with a katar and a hatchet will it attack with both weapons or I'm better off equipping a shield?
I'm not noticing too much difference.

>>5749332
It's been a while since I played any assassin but I'm almost certain that they're either 1h+shield or dual claws, you can't wield a normal weapon and an assassin weapon.

>>5749409
>>5749332
upon rereading I realized I forgot that Hatchet Hands exist and you probably meant those.
anyway, to my understanding, dual-wielding with just your normal attack means that you're going to alternate hitting with one and then the other weapon, and if one of them is faster or slower, you will feel it; there's no intrinsic strength to dual-wielding in D2 other than getting intrinsics from both weapons (say, having one of your claws apply a ctc effect) or synergizing with skills like Frenzy or Whirlwind. I tried finding some formulas on whether there is a noticable fpa difference in dual-wielding and claw+shield but I don't think that's the case, this is mostly a thing to worry about if you're a WW or frenzy barb; however, you should likely still dual-claw because Anya spam lets you buy solid claws at vendor prices, and that can amount to something like +6 MA skills and lots of additional IAS, in total.

Also, dual-claw blocking is different from shield blocking in that it has a fixed speed, but it also blocks more stuff (including elemental projectiles).

>>5749468
Weapon block is not at a fixed speed, it improves with faster block rate, although the only non-shield source is from Guardian Angel.

>>5748587
>>5748716
Even in games like Eve Online where scamming is considered a legit game mechanic, people are still retarded enough in this day and age to fall for the classic Nigerian Prince scams or "Quitting the game, I'll double your money" shit.

>>5747757
I ended up up going with the new trapsin skill tree. It's not bad

Fuck Duriel, it's frustrating as fuck.

>>5750110
He's really not if you know what you're doing. Only character that should have any real proper difficulty is the barb early on.

>>5748605
emeralds in a cap and shako aren't even the same color green!

>>5750110
Remember that version 1.10f gave the paladin's holy freeze damage, and since Duriel uses the paladin's holy freeze, he gains massive amounts of cold damage. Chug thawing potions for 85% cold resistance and you will demolish him effortlessly.

>>5750227
I wish I knew those deeper strats regarding resistances.
The thing I hated the most was how Duriel instantly went unga on me and it actually worked and it just became a battle of me holding click on it, casting a portal home, dying because instead of going through the portal the sprite obscured it and ended up attacking him and in the end my strat was attack a little, get rekt, return, pick my weapons, repeat.

>>5750229
Using your mercenary as a tank and feeding him potions with the hotkey makes it easy.

So far this is the best of my day 1 haul of new mxl ladder

>>5750231
Is it really the best strategy to unga back at it?

>>5750238
Not that anon but yes
Slam down like 5 thawing potions (they stack duration) load your belt up with pots and then unload on your merc (shift1/2/3/4 if you didnt know is hotkey)
Just slap whatever has the highest def on the merc and maybe a life leech weapon if you can find one

>>5750110
>>5750229
>sorc
Whether you're fire, light, or cold, you shouldn't have any problems.
>paladin
Hammerdin crushes him.
>sin
Wake of Fire melts him while you stay out of range.
>druid
Fissure is outrageously powerful.
>zon
Charged Strike.
>necro
Iron Maiden+Clay Golem. You'll probably need to portal out and get new skeletons a couple of times.
>barb
Without twinked gear you're in for a bad time. With sigons you can just beat him down with concentrate.

>best items are the stupidest looking

por que diablo?

>>5750674
Just mod your game and change their appearances.

>>5750674
What do you mean?

>>5750236
damn, that mod has such happy and bright items and those big red and blue balls in the bottom. would be great for young kids

>>5750631
>Without twinked gear you're in for a bad time
Barb should have no issue against Duriel because Drognan stocks shields with a block rate suffix, and with that plus some thawing potion stacking you can just duke it out. It's longer than it is actually dangerous.

>>5750816
>enter room as HC barb
>slowed instantly
>knockback stunned
>block next attack
>knockback stun
>knockback stun
>knockback stun
>open portal
>knockback stunned too far from it immediately
>knockback stun
>die
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>5750841
Just... uh... git gud or something, yeah, that.

>>5750841
We have very different experiences because I play mostly untwinked melee and none of my characters ever die on this fight. Barb gets a ton of health, Concentrate, and can swap to a shield. With Rejuvs especially (which you should be cubing up and preserving on any HC character) you are never at a risk of dying to him.

If you're around level 24 as you should be, you should also have a point in Iron Skin, a few points in Shout, a point in BO, and you should have been able to gamble for Plate Mails (Elzix stocks them around that time) shortly after finishing Arcane Sanctuary. This, along with a possible Defiance mercenary (although he is rather liable to a quick death if not managed properly), means you can actually lower your chance to be hit by Duriel by quite a lot. And have Block on top of it.

Knockback stun isn't a problem because you should be fighting close to a wall anyway. At close range, Duriel can't use his charge attack, either, which is probably the "burstiest" part of his kit.

To a well prepared melee character Duriel is merely arduous.

>>5750862
>all that prep
I think at that point you could consider yourself twinked as mentioned in >>5750631
Grinding to 24 alone qualifies as that, normally I'm clearing Duriel at 16-18.

>>5750871
>normally I'm clearing Duriel at 16-18.
This is fair enough at the higher end of that bracket as you should have Concentrate and Iron Skin (pool skill points to get both the moment you ding 18), as well as be able to buy a Splint Mail from Fara, which gives a sizable amount of defense and might have other intrinsics.
>grinding to 24 alone
At /p8 this is not a problem, you will outlevel any act you're in, and at /p1, level 24 is the amount of XP you will have if you have full-cleared every area in Act 2, so it's not unreasonable.
Nevertheless, let's play ball; if you insist on speedrunning, MrLlamaSC's run crushes Duriel with a Double Swing build using a pair of Flails at level 17, so he lacks any of the defensive measures I mention, yet doesn't get killed and, in fact, does a shitload of damage himself; Duriel only hits him for around 20 HP per attack (although he attacks rapidly), and that's nothing a properly Vita'd build can't tank with a full belt of Reds. Llama doesn't even take any rejuvs to this fight.
>all that prep
It's not a lot of prep - it's all coming from Barb skills, vendor items, common tricks (stacking Thawing Potions) and some knowledge of itemization. You don't have to farm Countess for hours to do this. At level 18 you should already be wearing a Splint Mail and have all of the Defense steroids the barbarian class has to offer for this fight.

Your own list of "stuff that kills Duriel" includes the Hammerdin, and your Paladin in that level range would barely be legible for using that skill, after all.

Yeah, melees are overall more demanding, but, again, there's no reason to die to Duriel if you know your options.

>>5750909
I don't die to duriel (different anon from >>5750841 and I don't play on HC either), but I do consider all of that an unreasonable amount of prep compared to every other class. Fuck barbs.

>>5750909
>full-cleared every area in Act 2
That's entirely unreasonable. Only a lunatic or masochist would chase all the leapers around the map, wait for the fucking vultures to stop flying and grind all the XP worthless skeletons and maggots. What a colossal waste of time, especially in P8.

WE MADE IT
time for 3 hours solid farming
iso ber

>>5750871
I am a differentfag, >>5750862 is on the money.
If you really, actually, walk and clear most of act2, you'll get to about 25. If you just beeline the objectives, yeah 16-18 sounds about right. Clearing areas and side excursions like stony tomb or the AT is not grinding, it's just playing d2. And preparing yourself is not twinking. Twinking is using gear found by prior characters.

While I don't play HC, it is not hard to suppose that if you decide you want to melee against duriel underleveled and without being thawed, you deserve what you get

>>5750935
>>5750931
And I would deem "clearing" as visiting almost every area, and reducing the total enemy population by about three-quarters.

>>5750931
>>5750925
My post has already accounted for a fairly steady, speedrun-friendly alternative at level 18, and alluded to a video where an optimized, untwinked Barbarian crushes the encounter at level 17.

I'd like to note that by "full-clearing" I mean visiting all the dungeons and going through all the corridors, but I don't necessarily take my time to chase every single shitty mob or whack on every single zombie-spawner. That might have been a misnomer; nevertheless, a /p8 player should have zero issues outlevelling Act 2 by a lot regardless of whether they speedrun.

>>5750945
>>5750943
>>5750935
>>5750931
>>5750925
>>5750909
>>5750871
>>5750862
>>5750845
>>5750841
>>5750816
and I don't know who, exactly, is saying what, specifically, to any reply in particular here, but surely the important thing is that everyone remain in complete disagreement

>>5749702
Nope, there is also sword guard

>>5750945
>optimized, untwinked
anon...

>>5750971
What is not understandable here? Optimized within the realm of untwinked gameplay. What do you think untwinked means?

>>5751012
shit gear, no lucky vendor finds

>shit gear
Does a run stop being untwinked if I find a keeper item in Normal on my own (Bonesnap, Twitchthroe or something)? What if I cube up a high-end Savage Polearm? What if I find a Tir+El to make a basic runeword? No, it doesn't; untwinked runs come merely off the assumption that the character finds all of their own gear by himself, with no outside assistance or interference. How they get there is up to them. Unless the name of the game is "single-pass", you are legible to reroll vendors, run Countess, and do whatever the fuck you want short of actual cheating.
>no lucky vendor finds
Again, arbitrary. Does that mean only going to each vendor once? Does that mean passing on something like a Plated Belt of the Whale or a +3/+3 necro wand because it's "too lucky"? Rerolling vendors is something anyone can do and literally all of the items I proposed (Bone Shield of Deflection, generic Plate Mail available from gambling, generic Splint Mail) aren't as outlandish to find as an optimal wizard statstick. Vendors have a limited amount of items and magical items they can generate, and we're looking for generic blue items, not perfect Tir+Ral fodder.
Every definition of untwinked in any community discussion, or even Urban Dictionary, reaches the consensus that untwinked merely means "no outside help".
What I proposed can be condensed into three points:
>using your cube
>using your skills
>keeping your gear even remotely up to date
Buying a generic white or blue armor and supplementing it with the hardest stick(s) you can find is really not breaching the rules of untwinked.

>>5751021
>>5751085

>>5751085
>Does a run stop being untwinked if I find a keeper item in Normal on my own
depends on how much it increases your effectiveness. if someone mentions killing a boss untwinked, you don't assume that they happened to be wearing a full set of optimal gear that they lucked into.

>>5751093
"Untwinked" still means just "untwinked" regardless of whether the Amazon lucks into a Titan's Revenge or whether the Paladin is struggling to find a keeper weapon for all of Hell, but, again, I keep telling you that the bare minimum needed to kill Duriel is nowhere near "optimal" gear. You're calling a generic blue Splint Mail, the hurtiest available stick from Fara or a random drop, a common Drognan shield and some basic cubing and resource management shenanigans (which that speedrun shows not to be even necessary) to be too much to expect from someone who wants to beat the game HC.

>>5751106
i never mentioned any specific gear or speedrunning, i'm not sure where you're going with all of this. very strange.

>>5751124
I don't understand what your point is, either. My entire point here started on the notion that Sigon's set or twinked gear is nowhere near mandatory to surviving Normal Duriel, and now I just keep replying adequately to narrower and narrower expectations to the point where I'm expecting the discussion to end on the conclusion that Barbarian sucks because he can't solo Duriel at level 10 with his fists.

>>5751134
>My entire point here started on the notion that Sigon's set or twinked gear is nowhere near mandatory to surviving Normal Duriel
i don't think it was ever stated to be mandatory for surviving, just that it will be difficult without it, and with everything you've posted thus far, that seems to fit cleanly in line with that.

>>5750714
I think he means harley and snek makes your character look like a shitcovered peasant.

>>5751562
I totally understand people not liking shako, but if you don't like vmagi you're not my nigger.

>>5751562
I love shako, it makes you look like El chavo del 8

on that note, i hate having to always use bone shield, i think it has the best ratio of strength/blocking but it looks shitty

>>5750674
I hate how they cheaped out on unique items designs, leaving almost all looking same as their base items.

Which items have different look? Heaven's Brethren set, and? Can't remember any other.

Still better than shitfest that is Diablo 3 with its Warcraft ripoffs.

>>5751574
>>5751606
Well, it appears we're at an impasse about the shako; personally I wish it was green on the character as well.
Mostly, though, I just don't want my sorc to look like a hooker in a miniskirt.

>>5751698
>I just don't want my sorc to look like a hooker in a miniskirt
You should appreciate delicious brown girls in skimpy attire.

>>5750765
Get bent

>>5748619
this

>>5740193
Zealot is certainly effective, I don't know if you'd call it fun though since it's really just running around hitting stuff with a really fast basic attack. Get some way to apply Amplify Damage if you play one.

Vengeance is great for killing anything, except it fails against hordes. Still, with conviction on, you're assured to at least hit one resist hole between Fire, Ice, and Lightning, and you still have physical damage to fall back on if you don't.

>>5748587
That actually happened to me around 2006 or so, I had just got my first SoJ, was trading it for a Shaftstop, guy "accidentally" closed the window then put a regular chainmail on for trade. Thankfully, it wasn't a big loss, but at the time it pissed me off pretty bad.

Anyone try The Hell 2? Best overhaul I've seen of Diablo, which I always thought was better than D2. The multiplayer just seems more skill rather than gear based, since you have to avoid friendly fire and, if not over leveled or geared up, actually use terrain and coordinated crowd control to beat.

I started as an Inquisitor. I don't know what makes him a master of elemental damage. I assume it's what Fury activates for him, or what his class specific weapons do?

I finally got some friends to play and tried multiplayer. I played Scout to keep ahead of mobs using infravision and dictate how we went in. Had a regular Warrior and Mage helping. Right now I think the difficulty is a bit too high for smooth multiplayer play. Yeah, the maps are small, but we basically had to prep using infravision to draw off each pack of mobs.

>>5748587

This happened to me with an elite Honor sword versus an exceptional one.

This is back when Honor was still a decent runeword if you couldn't get a cruel one with IAS.

>>5751615
I so wish that Gothic shields actually looked the way they were supposed to when equipped and not just like kite shields.

>>5738363
Holy shit I know that shield! It's a Hussite pavise shield with a Prague coat of arms on it. It's in a Prague City Museum near Florenc metro station.
I would stare at it for literally like 10 min straight on each visit there as a kid.
I even googled it to make sure. Props to the mod author I guess. Wow.

>>5752825
It's not a mod, that's Sigon's Guard shield design. It's also used for Medusa's Gaze and Bverrit Keep I think?
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Sigon%27s_Guard

I think there are more references.

>>5752841
Heaven's Brethren set is copied off.

Sup. CRT shader

>>5752841
Heads in desert from Act 2 is taken from Mount Nemrut statues.

>>5752852
I wanna go back

>>5752863

>>5748996
i feel for you man

>>5752825
>>5752863
>>5752845
That's breddy cool. I wonder what else was made with irl references. I'd like to go see those heads, but you know, it's Turkey.

>>5752864

Let us pray

>>5752260
>since you have to avoid friendly fire and ... use terrain and coordinated crowd control
That doesn't sound fun at all.
>>5752852
>>5752894
That reshade shit looks awful. Reshade port of royal or literally any competent crt shader when???

>>5752884
Bayeux tapestry in Cathedral side rooms is also one reference.

>>5753058
>all mobs gone bar that one faggot who always slows me down

>>5752863
>>5752865
i liked to think of that as an ozymandias reference

i figure someone here might be able to answer this. i'm hunting some tc3 items for my grail. sander's paragon, blinkbat, etc.

i heard tc3 items would only drop in act 1 normal, but when i use the 1.13 drop calculator this didn't seem to be the case. is the issue with the information i had or with the calculator? where's the best place to hunt for those sort of items?

>>5753214
Is there a table top gaming general? Like
I wanna talk about talisman and castle ravenloft and stuff
Also: is holy freeze pally any good? What do you attack with, zeal?

>>5753221
>Is there a table top gaming general?
over at /tg/ probably is your best bet

>Also: is holy freeze pally any good? What do you attack with, zeal?
Yes it's very good and yes zeal works perfectly with it.

>>5753214
Yeah seems to be a problem with the calc. Best places are Andariel, Cold Crow, Tristram, Bone Ash, Cow King. You could run the pits in normal, too or hell just grab a holy X paladin and run around 1 shotting screens of trash in act 1.

>>5753214
TC3 don't drop only in normal act1. I got all my TC3's from Hell bosses. Pic related dropped off Andariel. I suggest running Hell because you'll get other cool stuff in meantime, and TC3 are all shit.

>>5753263
They're so rare that Tc3 items will have a good chance of being among the last 10 items in a grail if you only farm hell.

>>5753232
I'll check /tg/ and thanks I'll try out holy freeze next

>>5753270
I'm at 84,86% of Holy Grail and only items I have left are indeed TC3 and TC87.

>>5753221
>Also: is holy freeze pally any good?
It's like Holy Shock (a go-to melee untwinked build) except it sacrifices some killing speed for a degree of personal safety, as Holy Shock generally hits harder and has a strong low-mid budget weapon runeword available (Crescent Moon, needs an Um) but lacks the freezing effect. The Holy Freeze equivalent is the slightly weaker, pound-for-pound, Voice of Reason (needs a cheaper Lem), granting no IAS (and elemental zealots are entirely about swinging their weapon really fast) and a lower resistance reduction to the corresponding element. Still a decent weapon, though.

Overall, a cool build, a good introduction to HC play, and a solid pseudo-tank for playing in a party (except corpse-users, like Necros and Assassins, will not llike you) due to the freezing effect and your own strong personal defense.

>>5753464
I've been playing only hardcore this year so in thinking holy freeze will be the way to go. I dunno how I'm going to do it, or how it's going to go, but that's part of the fun

Where the fuck did that blue projectile close to the wall come from?

>>5753598
I don't see what you're talking about. Do you mean the lightning damage on the zombie?

>>5753625
That giant blue projectile that comes in from the right of the screen and flies along the stone wall, just before I pop that loose boulder.

>>5753625
>>5753971
Wait a second, I just realized it's my teeth crashing into the wall, laughing my fucking ass off right now.

>>5753982
Anon, you're silly.

>>5753598
It's your projectiles hitting the wall in quick succession and exploding there, dumbass.

>>5753989
Yeah sometimes.

>>5754025
I got it by now, cut me some slack it's fucking hot here.

>>5753598
Remember /vr/, these are the people asking questions all the time. Cater your answers accordingly to their """"intelligence"""" or you'll just end up confusing them and angering yourself.

Fucking brainlets I swear to Christ. Average IQ should be grounds for euthanasia.

>>5754390
Say goodbye to Africa

The Hell 2 is basically as hard as D2 Hell from the start.

On the upside, this makes you git gud early. Now I switch weapons based on monster type on instinct and got my mana leech, perma-fury and reflect going, and am telekilling witches like nothing.

Loved these games.

Best exploit: if you can't beat Diablo, just cast firewall on yourself and let the game continue when you die. Firewall duration and damage is based on dungeon level. Diablo will die after you and fall on your corpse.

Not to give any spoilers on a 24 year old game, but your character is probably better off dying than "beating" Diablo anyhow.

>>5752907
The first one is actually CRT Lottes. Until we get Royale, I challenge you to get a better one for Diablo II.

I'm a noob and currently doing my first Hell run.
As Sorceress, is there a way to kill the Countess if i'm focusing on the meteor and frozen orb skills? She is cold and fire immune.

>>5755158
>As Sorceress, is there a way to kill the Countess if i'm focusing on the meteor and frozen orb skills
Static Field and mercenary.

>>5754947
You need more literal meme filters.

>>5754390
I never ask questions here and my IQ was tested and pinned in the 120 range when I was around 13 so take your condescending reddit spacing bullshit and shove it. Cunt.

>>5755476
That's not reddit spacing. There's nothing wrong with breaking up lines, reddit spacing is when you space between every line AND the post number.

This is proper reddit spacing:

>>5753598

Remember /vr/, these are the people asking questions all the time.

Cater your answers accordingly to their """"intelligence"""" or you'll just end up confusing them and angering yourself.

Fucking brainlets I swear to Christ. Average IQ should be grounds for euthanasia.

>>5755492
An example of reddit spacing in the wild: >>5755490

>>5755492
Good for you.

>>5755507

>>5755492
how about you calm down you reddit spacing faggot

>>5755476
>Muh Reddit spacing

We knew how to use the space bar before Reddit you fucking newfags.

>>5755669
Yeah the keyboard was invented before Reddit, big fucking insight. I don't give a shit about meme definitions, it's shit text formatting and looks like it has been written by a retard.
Whatever, keep defending your dysgraphia but at least do it in silent. We're here to enjoy Diablo, not your mental impediments.

>>5755476
What kinds of drugs did you do to make your IQ drop 80 point in a single year?

>>5755753
>What kinds of drugs did you do to make your IQ drop 80 point in a single year?
Liberalism

why don't you fags play some mods, do you hate fun?

>>5755753
You can't even produce a proper sentence so I guess it came from hanging out in here, with people like you.

>>5755809
Median XL is alright, I've put a couple hundred hours into it over the years, but nothing keeps drawing me back like LOD. I guess it comes down to most of the skills in MXL just feeling really shitty and amateurish.

>>5755737
What an insufferable post

>>5755776
The plot of d2 is the eastward counter-migration of a bunch of heroic staceys and chads. You colonize desert and jungle kingdoms and eventually hunt down and execute the three ringleaders of an immigration wave from Hell.

>>5755980
Based and crusader-pilled

>>5755809
diablo mods are pretty bad. they're either a broken mess or unbalanced power-creep fest

I'm suprised median xl never got shut down, especially in the more recent years when they added tg and a forum. I can see blizz not doing shit for a mod but they make "donations" now. Honestly surprised blizzshit hasn't done anything

>>5755809
But I do. I've played virtually every Diablo 2 mod that was ever made. They are pretty amazing and offer new challenges that you would never see in CLoD.

>>5756726
>that ui
grim

>>5756734
All part of the challenge. Some mods have such wonky UIs that it makes it hard to tell when you are low on life, like this one where the life bar is just a tiny little sliver in the shape of a sword.

damn guys, i respecced my dentist after normal to a summoner and i'm not sure it's for me. i don't like not being able to hurt things outside of corpse explosion, it's frustrating. the minions thing is neat but i might re-respec to poison or something

>>5757029
What level did you respec?

>>5757039
i'm in the early 40s rn. have an arm of king leoric and a mediocre necro head, skeles and mastery are at around 28 in act 2 nightmare. it's not that it isn't good, they're pretty darn effective. maybe i'll put a point in revive and see if that makes it any more entertaining

>>5757150
Revive is alright, quite good for bosses because some monsters have stats like crushing blow or high X resistance. They also keep bonus effects from boss minions. You are using curses, right?

I'm sure over the years people have created hybrid builds if you want something a little more hands on. Just google "diablo 2 hybrid necromancer" and search around a bit, you'll find something. There's an autist here who apparently did the entire holy grail with a bow amazon, so I'm pretty damn sure you could make a halfway decent summoner/bone necro work.

>>5757029
You need enigma for skellymancer to feel really good. Teleporting moves all of your summons directly on top of you, letting you aim them, so it's just amp off-screen > telestomp something > instantly chain corpse explosions.

Jah, Ber, 2xLo, Sur, 3xOhm, Vex found on this ladder so far. No botting.

>>5750236
What the fuck is this shit.

>>5758449
Learn to read, retard.

>>5757029
summoner is the comfiest, laziest and easiest build in the game.
just go afk at a safe distance and sip some beers, watch TV on another screen until you dont hear the sounds of combat anymore, then move to the next area.
Edge runeword, or Bone & Rhyme runewords... whichever you like better. Throw around some Amplify Damage and you're good.
Can clear the game with no gear or in full MF gear if you want too.
By lv70 or 80 you'll have leftover points so you can spec into some bone skills, some more curses, into a golem or into Revive if you have Enigma.

>>5756726
Aren't those item graphics from Baldur's Gate?

>>5760115
Well it is the Baldur's Gate mod, so that is to be expected. Very little similarity beyond that, though.

>>5759405
>andy + baal runs
>summoner nec backed by a few sorcs
>each run is the same length as each congressman's allotment in mueller's house judiciary committee testimony

>>5759405
Nah, war cry barb is more lazy and comfy. Just stun lock everything. Summoner at least has to worry about gloams and rarely ranged enemies, and if you get really unlucky you can get suddenly demolished by enemies with good auras and properties.

>>5760115
I see item icons from both Planescape Torment and Neverwinter Nights

>>5762369
>war cry barb
>comfy
URGH
URGH
URGH
URGH
URGH
URGH

>>5752907

Removing friendly fire is what turned Diablo into a skillspam casual game. Letting characters run faster than enemies, reducing stun effects, and making spell casting uninterruptible further degraded it. Terrain became mostly useless.

Finally, it changed the style into being all about loot.

Thus the decent into full casualdom of D3 began. Dark Souls is the actual spirtual successor of the original Diablo .

>>5762369
yeah gloams and the odd ranged enemy can be an issue but at least you dont have to press any buttons or do anything.
i'd argue druid as well, because you can just throw up hurricane and armageddon and run through maps.
Holy Fire paladin works too, especially if you get the sword that's +6 to Holy Fire skill but
it drops off by end of Normal or early Nightmare

>tfw i was so tired from wagecucking yesterday i didnt play diablo 2 for 6 hours while repeating that this is my last run for 3 hours

>>5763048
based

What are some non-cookie cutter builds? Viable to beat Hell and don't require dual wielding Last Wish.

>>5762369
doesn't a single point in dim vision take care of ranged enemies and gloams?

>>5765508
>gets 1 shot by a ghost not even on screen that fired at your skeleton
You people here have an awful habit of generalizing how effective/simple/easy/reliable things are.

>>5765443
Everything is viable, just bee urself.

>>5765508
Yes.

>>5765531
My MF summoner has 2336 life and only 56 lightning res and unless I'm standing inside conviction (in which case they're close enough to get instantly deleted by my 13.6 yard screen clearing corpse explosions), I can outheal the tickle damage burning souls deal with a super healing potion.

>>5765443
Here we go, for each class:
>Amazon
Javazon, either hybrid or pure (the latter skips more or has to be patient with mercenary)
>can I make Bowazon work
Harmony in an elite base is somewhat passable; Frozen Arrow + Valk + Decoy make it very safe, so not a bad HC character, but don't expect high killing speed. If you find Witchwild String, you can easily make a Strafer.
>Barbarian
in roughly this order of ease-to-gear:
if you are deaf irl: Warcry
if you want to smash stuff (as in, you don't want to play a caster barbarian) with shit gear (Cruel Polearm, upped Steeldriver, or so) Berserker
any decent Polearm, Ribcracker, Immortal King: Whirlwind
any decent elite weapons (Oath, Baranar's, Azurewrath, pair of Cruel Nagas): Frenzy
Concentrate is doable and insanely safe, but you will more than likely get bored to death without a good weapon
>Druid
Windy.
Werewolf is Hell-viable too, particularly with a Ribcracker.
Maul Werebear with a big two-hander (IK, Ribby) or Fireclaws with a very fast weapon (need a good merc and a lot of Crushing Blow in Hell to be any fun, but is very good at tanking and crowd control; fun in a party setup)
>Paladin
Holy Freeze (safety) or Holy Shock (damage), your budget end-game is Voice of Reason / Crescent Moon in a fast base. Hammerdin works as always.
>Assassin
Trapsins are easy, or anything wtih maxed Death Sentry in it (Kick/Trap hybrids are entertaining); Phoenix Strikers are mechanically somewhat hard to pull off but they do work.
>Necromancer
literally anything as long as it has lots of points in Corpse Explosion; feel free to experiment with poisons or an IK maul iron golem
>Sorceress
multiple Cold/Fire and then Cold/Lightning hybrids are very valid as we know; try Firewall sorc for a ridiculously well scaling skill that requires a little bit of foresight to use.

Any of these builds should have okay killing speed and decent survivability, and most play well self-found or with minor welfare gear (Ribcracker, some runes).

>>5765443
>>5765828
minor tips and tricks on where to find passable gear:
>vendors
Anya sells claws, look for +3/+3
Drognan in act 2 normal will sell you a solid statstick that can potentially give you +3/+3 to whatever skills you need as well as be runeword-viable
Hell merchants by act 2 should be occasionally offering Cruel weaponry
Plated Belt of 80-100+ life are a good investment too
>gamble
Boots (great for kicksin, also give FRW, FHR or
jewelry)
circlets / diadems / tiaras
additionally, gamblers offer certain pieces of gear earlier than regular vendors have them available
>cube
take elite weapons and try to reroll them into magic weapons with sockets using chipped gems
Savage Polearm recipe (can get you a Partisan in Normal)
Hit Power gloves for Amazons (Knockback)
Blood Gloves for cheap Crushing Blow, Blood Belt / Boots are also okay (for life leech primarily)
Hit Power or Blood shields aren't bad
Caster Belts are great (fhr, mana regen, etc.)
Caster items in general can be a good source of mana leech
Jewelry (Caster amulets, Safety amulets)
use runewords (obviously)

aside from that identify all magical amulets and look for stats like high damage reduction, resist all, or +2 / +3 skiller
identify all rares

>>5765859
i fucked up formatting, sorry,
>Boots (great for kicksin, also give FRW, FHR or MF)
boots obviously don't give jewelry; I meant that jewelry is decent for gambling as well, didn't proofread that line

>>5765828
>If you find Witchwild String, you can easily make a Strafer.
I prefer Atma's Scarab. Even though the proc is smaller (2.6 vs 4.6 yards), it procs more than twice as often and doesn't require wasting a weapon slot.
>Kick/Trap hybrids are entertaining
Rift kickers are insanely safe and easy. Can easily get to LK without rift and farm your gul rune to round out your bitchin' light/fire/phys damage with frozen orb spam.

>>5765871
>I prefer Atma's Scarab.
You are right, of course!
The thing about WWS is that it's easier to find and a very good low-gear weapon on its own.
My intent was to aim for the absolute minimum necessary to do Hell at a decent pace, and to have fun.
Some self-found characters might also have problems finding some of this gear, if only because they take forever to get to a given area (e.g. aren't Sorceresses).

>>5765859
Anya can sell good claws, but I would not recommend people go looking for them there.

In the good olde days I ran a shopbot to get claws to sell on jsp; each character made about 1000 peeks at her shop in an hour but only got 1 or 2 good claws (+2sin+3LS or +3trap+3LS) in a day. And each claw sold for a rather disproportionate amount of fg, because basically the only way to get them was this stupid niche botting timesink. Doing it by hand isn't feasible.

People wanting a good claw to actually swing might consider imbuing an eth elite one because it has a nicely fucked up base damage to work with. Pray for repair.
>pic related
And if you are rolling for traps the eth doesn't matter

>>5766074
That's a nice claw.

>>5763048
Based.

I played D2 way more growing up, but since Diablo came out on GOG I had a friend convince me to get it so we could play. It's just so much better at making the game feel like an epic dungeon crawler.

Id have TV on during D2 runs. D1 we're talking back and forth on plans to tackle each month and using retreats. Granted we are using a harder mod, but the original was pretty hard if you didn't use hacked gear too.

>>5766807
>the original was pretty hard if you didn't use hacked gear too.
D1 is the least "gear-reliant" game of the three, and many best-in-slot items for the entire game can be found in Normal. Best sword in the game can be bought from Griswold.

So in some video, IIRC from Xtimus, the guy had some +% crushing blow weapon for his summoner and said it will apply to the skeleton army. Is that true? What else will apply to the army?

>>5769537
>the guy had some +% crushing blow weapon for his summoner and said it will apply to the skeleton army
No, it won't.
>What else will apply to the army?
Nothing. You want to bolster your army - get an aura, either from a friendly paladin, mercenary or some item (A1 Rogue with Edge is nice for this purpose).

>>5769684
This. Everything that will apply to skeletons, apart from bonuses from RS+SM, is paladin auras and war cries irrespective of the source.

>>5769537
it wont if the necro holds it, but he was probably talking about the Merc.
A might aura merc is the main big damage hitter in your skeleton army. skeletons do shit for damage later on but Obedience runeword in a good eth base will do thousands of damage a hit.

Also stop watching Xtimus videos. He tries hard but honestly all he excels at is making 25min videos that Dbrunski or the Llama can explain in under 5min.

>>5769853
>obedience
I use that on my smiter's merc, but for summoners, tele+ce spam just takes way too much mana to go with anything but insight.

>>5743058
Use bone armor? Jesus.

>>5748632
>seethrough
lul
nice drops btw, jealous of that arachnid

>>5769537
Not even xtimus is that dumb, the blame here falls squarely on your idiocy and lack of attention span. The CB comes from either the merc or revived urdars.

>>5770381
( Blood Raven )

>>5770381
F

>>5770381
((( Blood Raven )))

>>5770032
i dont have enigma though so I never have mana problems.
but to each their own

>>5770381
>playing a difficulty mod hardcore
Absolute madman.

Are there Sacred Armor armor racks? I have Ceremonial Javelin and Wyrmhide racks on this LK map, and CJ eventually dropped the Titan's, in less than 100 runs.

So SA rack would be the best way to farm Tyrael's?

>>5770756
No.

>>5770531

One of these days I will roll one of these fucking 20fcrs with an actual skill tab, you have my word.

I prefer Druid.

>>5771375
I hate druids. 11 frame casts are awful.

>>5771507
Everything about the druid sucks except for tornado and hurricane.

>has the worst or second worst breakpoints in everything (excluding wolf form and only in hit recovery)
>mediocre, awkward, overly limited summoning
>very weak spells with excessively long skill delays on skills that would be weak without skill delays
>fury is just a crappy budget zealdin
>rabies is trash, deals only 3000 damage per second with absurdly expensive gear, plague javelin is strictly better
>fire claws is trash, requires absurd investment for single element single target damage, while the amazon casually deals trillions of area of effect damage with charged strike with garbage equipment
>other characters are better at using his skills than he is

>>5771753
yes but
>as a werebear you get to pretend you're having sex with your grizzly
makes the class firmly S-rank for giggly middle schoolers

>>5771783
sounds more like a furfag thing
kys

>>5771753
Cyclone armor is really nice.
>>5771783
>3 great girls to choose from
>nah i'll fuck a bear
You make me sick.

My 16 year streak of never finding a Jah or Ber has come to an end. Chained Baal runs maybe 15 hours over the last several days and found absolutely jack all. Then there was a huge fuck-up and I had to rollback a bunch of characters over a week. Main character remained intact at least. But then this dropped. Maybe, did it drop simply to strip me of the right to bitch and moan here about everything else?

>>5770859
Are armor racks a lower treasure class than the area? How about Nihlathak's dungeon? There are some armor racks in there.

>>5771783
this was considered a gassable offense even before pol came along and natsocked everyone

>>5772119
>My 16 year streak of never finding a Jah or Ber has come to an end.

This always baffles me. I started playing with 1.13. I start getting high runes regularly one month into playing with my Necro and farm.

In last four months I got runes to build Fortitude, Grief, Enigma, Infinity, CtA, Exile, Hoto, all legit. This happens every time I restart. I don't understand how people can't get them for 16 fucking years?

>>5772701
Obviously Jah and Ber, but people bitch about lower runes as well. I've heard people moaning about Ists. This season I got 14 of them.

>>5772701
>>5772702
It really confuses me too. I guess these people really just don't play much time wise or don't spend much time farming hell.

>>5772701
>>5772705
Depends how you're playing. On ladder, I think I found a Vex once and a Cham once in thousands of hours of play since LoD's release. Here's <200 hours in singleplayer doing targeted runs (yes, I log all of my mid-high rune drops).

Lower Kurast
-Ohm
-Mal
-Gul
-Vex
-Ist
-Ist
-Um
-Um
-Ist
-Pul
-Pul
-Um
-Mal
-Ist
-Gul
-Gul
-Pul
-Um
-Vex
-Gul
-Mal
-Pul
-Ist
-Vex
-Pul
-Lo
-Gul
-Um
-Ist
-Um
-Um
-Vex
-Ohm
-Gul
-Mal
-Ohm
-Mal
-Ohm
-Lo
-Lo
-Pul
-Ist
-Um
-Pul
-Gul
-Sur
-Um
-Sur
-Gul
-Vex

Cows
-Lo (H)
-Mal (NM)
-Jah (H)
-Ohm (H)
-Vex (H)

Misc
-Um
-Mal
-Pul
-Ber (Chaos Sanc)

Farmed LK for 8 hours yesterday. Didn't get shit. No ragrets.

>>5771753
Oak Sage
also Werebear form is tanky as fuck and has the nifty aoe stun move.
Bear summon is on par with Valkarie and can basically solo the game for you.

>>5772705
They're generally the kinds of players who have been playing since the game came out but every time they pick the game up they only lvl 3 or 4 characters to the mid-80s, kinda beat Hell on 1 or 2 of them and think that 10 Mephisto runs back to back is epic farming strats.

>>5772701
I am not far behind this schedule. No problems finding lower runes, so I cube them up and make the gears. Just never seen a Jah or Ber drop until now.

>>5772813
no

>>5772981
>sorcfag
Well that explains it. Absolutely disgusting.

>>5772989
Oh damn you were the one shilling for druids? Sorry, couldn't really hear you over the ruckus of a whole room getting carbonized in 20 frames

>>5773020
>druids
Nah not even close m8

>>5773020
He's probably the sweaty aussie bowazon player.

>>5772981
>7 sorcs when there's only 3 builds

>>5765828

A number of these will be total slogs or completely unplayable in Hell without good gear. D2 melee classes are reliant on gear. Playing through once, even if you end up properly leveled, can definitely leave you with gear that has you hitting basic enemies over and over and doing shit damage. The fact that you cite Azurewrath (an incredibly rare, level 85 weapon) as a budget variant means you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Steeldriver is great, and will make everything through the end of Nightmare a breeze, but even upgraded, alone you're not going to have enough to hit.

1.10, for all the good shit it brought, turned D2 into a game where running shit for items is essential (or using bots, which is what everyone did). Without bots, the 1.10 economy would have been fucked.

Obviously this doesn't count for casters. You can have no gear, be watching TV, and aside from it taking longer a necromancer can still wade through Hell. The class outclasses every other class by such a ridiculous margin once you find anything with teleport that it's silly.

>>5773867
Pretty sure most of those are his bots.

>>5773946
>"Check out this amazing rare. It had cruel, grandmaster's, and all the damage mods. I do 28k per hit!"
>"Sick dude, my naked level 40 necromancer can hit the entire screen with 9 iterations of 24k mixed fire/physical damage, doubled by amp damage, in the time it takes you to finish a whirlwind."

Noice.

>>5773946
They really don't need good gear. Cheapo runewords and magic items are good enough to take a melee character to hell Baal.