/vr/ - Retro Games

I have honestly not played either one. I guess my youth is showing.

>>573072
You are clearly under 12 then.

Definitely DQ. I just prefer DQ's plot far more than FF1's.

>>573078
I'm 21.

FF1>DQ 1
Do something else>Final Fantasy 2=DQ2
DQ 3>FF3

DQ3>FF3>FF1>DQ1>DQ2=FF2

In my onion.

VS? VS!? VS !?!
Why making me choose one? They are both great games and both should be played.

>>573086
FF1 towards the end reminded me a lot of the extremely early Ultima games where they pulled a spaceship out of nowhere.

>>573092
I agree with you, although I think DQ2 is slightly better than FF2.

Just the originals, as in the very first one for each, NES cart version?

I think DQI has tighter mechanics and better music, but the story is pretty weak and it's a really linear grind-game. Gotta give it to FFI for the better customization and exploration elements.

>>573148
Yes.

If we're talking nothing but the NES games:

DQ3=FF3>DQ4>FF1>DQ1>DQ2=FF2

>>573068
DQ3 > FF3 > the rest suck

>>573148
I thought FF1 music was amazing.

>>573223
Not saying that the music in FFI is bad or anything, because it certainly isn't. I just prefer the music in DQI.

I've always wondered what FFIV would've been like if it were released on NES.
Obviously the music wouldn't have been nearly as good, but still seems interesting.

My order :

DQ4=FF3= DQ3 > FF2 > FF1 > DQ2 >>>>> DQ1

DQ4 and FF3 are for me the firsts interesting jrpgs, not that the other are bad (for the nes nonetheless) but they didn't age well, compare to FF2, FF1 is boring as fuck. DQ1 is shit, no team, not even the beginning of a story, nothing to do except bash and bash for hours to kill 3 shitty boss, graphics are lame even for the nes, i hate this game...

>>573307
It WAS released on NES

>>573348


Nope.

>>573348
Yes, and so was FF7.

>>573068
Early DQ > Early FF
Mid DQ < Mid FF
Recent DQ = Recent FF

>>573372
Wait disregard that. I thought you were referring to DQ for a second.

>>573382
Thanks for post your pic in every fucking DQ thread.

>>573382
Totally left out Dragon Quest V, arguably the best in the series.

>>573382
[sarcasm]What is Vegetto doing in DQ6?[/sarcasm]

>>573401
God, stop posting that, I hate you so much.

FFI > DQ1
FFII < DQ2
FFIII = DQ3
FFIV > DQ4
FFV = DQ5
FFVI > DQ6

I love the NES DraQue, but the original 6 Final Fantasy games were pretty damn great.

>>573467
This nigga knows what's up.

>>573467
I agree completely except
FFV>DQ5

>>573329
This except FF2 = FF1

>>573467
Strangely enough, I despise the original FFs and love Dragon Quest. Though I guess FF6 is alright... DQ is just way more fun.

Slightly related to this thread: for someone trying to get into DQ, I've settled on DQIII, but can't decide between the NES or GB version. First time player here, with a possibility of being discouraged.

Thoughts?

>>573696
Neither.

Go for the Super Famicom version. Best version of the game, nice graphics, pretty much all the content of the GBC version except for a couple minor things, great fucking music.

It has a pretty good fantranslation. Now go out and kill that Archfiend Baramos for us, alright?

DQM > All else

Seriously, for a pokeaddict like myself...

Breeding monsters...to make NEW MONSTERS? NEVER BEFORE SEEN MONSTERS? BOSS MONSTERS?

AND THEY ALL LEARN THE PARENT'S SKILLS?

why isn't this game President of the United States of Awesome?

>>573696
Go GBC and run a all woman jester party

You'll thank me at the Temple.

Make sure everyone is Sexy, and never give them gear that changes that. Sexy is best personality.

FF1 was better than DQ1 and DQ2.
DQ 3 and 4 were both better than the total shitburgers that were FF2 and FF3, however.

>>573068
I love DW4. Everyone did. The game was hard to get a hold of and expensive. I don't know about now.

I spent the most time playing DW4, then FF1, then DW on the NES.

Also... Dragon Quest? Its Dragon Warrior! Aint no Dragon Quest on my American NES.

Dragon Quest because the characters are interesting, the monsters and music are great and furthermore, it's being neglected in favor of Final Fantasy XIII sequels. Fuck Wada and fuck Square for fucking itself up and making Enix take their burden. We aren't getting Terry's Wonderland 3D, VII Remake, Slime Mori Mori or X(Then again, I'm not too mad about this). Enjoy more Lightning.

First Dragon Quest is leaps and bounds beyond that incredibly ugly Final Fantasy 1.
Although I like both. FF1 is also slower in general.

I've always preferred DQ to FF. I wasn't into RPGs back in the NES era (too young/didn't have a NES, first console was a SNES), but the remakes of I&II got me into DQ, and I have since played all of them. I've actually only played five FF games (9, 7, 10, 10-2, and 1), and only honestly enjoyed 9 and 10-2.

>>573401
>>573396
Just beat V a few days ago, new image coming shortly.

DQ: I Iike them all
FF: I like 1,5 and 6

DQ4 >FF3 > FF2 > DQ2 > FF1 > DQ3 > DQ1

For just the originals, Final Fantasy. On the NES as a whole, Dragon Quest.

>>573382
Everyone seems to hate swords. I didn't mind it. What's your opinion on it?

>>573382
Stop posting this and play more games.

Didn't want to make another FF thread
What party should I make for my first playthrough of the original FF?
Thired to play it a couple months ago but was getting completely wrecked, this time i'm serious

>>576742
We still might get the VII remake, its only been out for a few months and the other ds remakes took about 8 months to come to the west.
I'm still hopeful.

>>573467
I agree with this man 100%.
He clearly has good taste.

>>578429

>VII remake
>Actually happening

yeah i'm doubtful

>>573068
NES - DQ takes the title.
SNES - FF wins.

NES DQ > NES FF
SNES FF > SNES DQ

I say this even though I love the SNES Dragon Quest games.

>>576742
VII has a good chance of coming over if Nintedo publishes it (especially now with Iwata in charge of NoA). The others have no chance in hell though, especially considering SE of America seems to despise DQ due to poor sales (which is their own damn fault for not advertising).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea4Tjie4ZiM

I want it so damn badly.

I could never get into Dragon Quest. I think Final Fantasy series is alright.

FF1=FF3>DW4>DW3>DW1>DW2>being covered in killer bees>FF2

Sorry guys, there are no DQ threads, so I will ask here.
So, I'm finally playing DQ VII and I'm enjoying my progress so far without a walkthrough, but I'm worried about the shards, are all continents obligatory or there are secrets continents to unlock? More important, there are miss-able shards or can I always go back and find them?

>>579523
I really hope you guys get it too. I picked up the game back in February, it's all-around fantastic and the best thing to come out on the system so far for sure. Only DQMT3D comes close.

Also, word is there's a remake of DQM2 in the pipeline now...

>>578119
Swords was a little weird at first, then once you get a few levels into it it's fun. A bit short. 7/10, got it for $8.

Dragon Warrior 1 is an NES classic. It was actually remade specifically for the western market to have upgraded graphics and controls to that of the Japanese version of Dragon Quest III. I would easily put it up there with all the other NES classics like Mario, Zelda, Castlevania, etc.

Dragon Warrior II is....well it set the standards for pretty much every DQ game to follow. Party system, group based battle system, NPCs who die, huge world to explore, complex story, etc. However, it was a little too grand for its own good. NPCs didn't explain what you needed to do next and wouldn't repeat needed information a second time. And some items were downright hidden. The biggest problem however was the difficulty spikes. Whenever you got a new team mate, you literally had to stop and grind up a good 5-10 levels just to be able to proceed, or else one hit and they would die. And pretty much the whole game, Prince Cannock was useless. And in the last area, those Batboons....one hit instant kill spells. Suffice to say, Dragon Warrior 2 is possibly the hardest game in the whole series.

Dragon Warrior 3 was a massive improvement in nearly all ways. And completed a trilogy of games. Its only shortcoming may be having to find orbs at a certain part of the game. It certainly had the best class based system for an NES RPG. Yes, even better than FF1 and Famicom FF3.

Dragon Quest IV is my personal favorite DQ game and feels like the most unique RPG on the NES. A chapter based system was really fresh for the time and the characters themselves were all unique. Especially Chapter 2 and 3. Who would think doing menial tasks like trading goods would be so addicting? Then they all come together to form a team...its just great.

Of course, all these games are even better with their respective remakes.

>>581154


On the flip side, I honestly have only played the 'remakes' of the FF games. Not the NES versions. But even the remakes, if you can call them remakes, I did not find as fun (or even well designed) as the DQ games. I often came up against areas that were just plain badly designed.

In FF2, I often came to areas where enemies outside a dungeon on in a town would be stronger than enemies inside a dungeon. And of course the actual leveling mechanic itself was completely broken. More often than not, I found myself getting in trouble because a random boss or enemy would attack me for story reasons, not because I was caught unaware. A common complaint I have with the entire FF series.

In FF3, the game is suppose to be focused on classes. Yet every time you get a new crystal, you have to start all the way back at level 1 agaqin. This leads to you having to basically sit in one area and grind back up OR only switch one characters class at a time and hope they don't get hit. The worst thing with FF3 however is, you get the last Crystal RIGHT OUTSIDE the final dungeon. This means you have NO choice but sitting outside with all your characters and grinding your classes up. And the EXP rates are atrocious. How can DQ games be accused of having grinding when FF3 has it 10x worse than even DQ2..... I wonder how it was on the Famicom.

>>579724

You can easily miss shards WITH a walkthrough. I used the official strategy guide book that came out with the original PSX game. And I missed many shards. But granted, it was one of the worst written strategy guides I've ever used.

Supposedly the 3DS remake is gonna have a shard searching device. Which it really needs.

Dragon Quest

>fun
>unambiguous fairy-tale stories about conflicts between good and evil
>colorful, vibrant art design
>challenging but fun combat

Final Fantasy

>drama and a sense of self-importance that has only really worked a few times and is usually just repugnant.
>inconsistent art design
>combat that keeps rejiggering itself needlessly

>>581219

In other words:

Dragon Quest:

>focuses on exploration, NPC interaction and gameplay
>keeps what works and adds to it with each sequel

Final Fantasy:

>Focuses on story and graphics
>tries to re-invent the wheel every game and it doesn't always work

>>581258

I'll agree with that. I don't hat every Final Fantasy until after 7, but on balance I like Dragon Quest much better.

Mother
FF
Every other Famicom JRPG
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DQ

>>581407

>>581407

>>581426
Actually, I hear people bitching about Earthbound's DQ battle system all the time on here.

>>581426
I've seen more people calling earthbound a game for weeaboos than I do DQ, actually the DQ/DW games feels more western to me than any other JRPG

>>581426
thanks for being the leading cause behind mother threads becoming shit on /v/ around 2011-2012

>suddenly, its cool to hate on japanese things just because they're japanese
>suddenly, its cool to hate on people that enjoy japanese games. If you enjoy a japanese game, you're a weeaboo, no questions asked. Fuck off you fucking japanese lover. American games are king.

seriously this decade is like bizarro world, the late 80's and 90's had more good japanese games than the entire history of good western games.

my favorite game is full throttle and I can fucking admit this shit, seriously guys, just shut up

>>581492

The Mother fans (and I assume you yourself) bring it upon yourself. Like PC elitists and many other people, you act like you are an oppressed group while at the same time claiming your series is superior to all other series.

You can't insult everyone you see and then cry that everyone else is picking on you when they dare to do the same back at you. And this has been going on a lot farther back than 2011.

I love both series, but they really do have opposite design philosophies.

Dragon Quest sticks to a tried and true formula and tries not to stray too far from it, the characters and their motivations are always simplistic and rely on the player to superimpose their interpretation onto them.

Final Fantasy always tries to be cutting edge, innovative, and offer a new experience, with more robust characters and stories that weave an interesting narrative.

>>581461

>I've seen more people calling earthbound a game for weeaboos than I do DQ

That picture is more picking on the mother fans specifically. Its not true for all of them, but some Mother fans just act entitled and go into other threads constantly saying 'Mother is superior to all other series'. And its especially funny when they do it to Dragon Quest considering how much Mother directly took from Dragon Quest. Even the series creator himself said he directly took inspiration from Dragon Quest.

>actually the DQ/DW games feels more western to me than any other JRPG

I completely agree with you. I often wonder why more people in the west are always lumping it together with FF and such. When it takes its roots fro mthe same CRPGs as WRPGs do. In fact, I'd say Dragon Quest has remained more like the older style CRPGs than most WRPGs of today.

>>581524

I just started Earthbound last week despite /v/'s claims on how retarded the fanbase was and am really enjoying it. I'm like level 40

i'm not part of the problem and not the guy you're replying to, but i just thought i'd chime in that i gave the game a chance, don't insult people one way or another, and I think I am becoming a Mother fan.

I doubt I'll transform into some crazy, elitist, vicitmizing piece of shit. But if it happens, maybe I can set up some sort of failsafe.

>>581543
Mother series is good for the fact that some of the enemy designs are weird as hell with even stranger gimmicks. You fight trees that explode for crying out loud!

if we are talking the first game in both series
FF1 by a landslide, for all of it's trying new things and all Dragon Quest was tedious and slow compared to FF.
Though if we are talking all the NES era games for both series, than I'd go with DQ, since DQ kept on improving on it's self and got better with each game, where FF decided to go on a tangent of hit or miss experiments.

>>581559

Yeah. Those things wrecked my Ness when I was all alone.

I died of laughter when I realized Ness was bashing "New Age Retro Hippies" with his baseball bat as a default attack on those enemies.

I laughed even more when I realized they don't actually attack you. They just do random shit or don't do anything at all.

>>581532

The problem is, people associate 'tride and true' with 'never changing' and 'boring'. But Dragon Quest actually changes quite a lot. People just don't notice because the art style remains consistent and the series keeps a lot of the same content over multiple games.

And then they associate 'cutting edge, innovative and robust characters and narratives' as being 'always unique' and 'better'. Problem is, many times the 'innovations' in Final Fantasy are nothing new, just something from a previous game or something barowed from another source just with a new coat of paint. Heck, Final Fantasy has even taken things from Dragon Quest on more than one occasion.

>>581559
also it's fun as fuck
people that get pissed off over percieved images of "fanbases" are morons anyhow, also, not to derail the thread or anything, but before this board my main board used to be /mu/, and /v/ used to hate /mu/ with a vengeance and used to try to troll/raid them all the time, now I'm seeing how similar to /mu/ /v/ is and I find it hilariously ironic

>>581580
oh dear lord, I just realized that a contradiction "New Age Retro Hippies" is and burst out laughing, how did it take me so long to realize this?

>>581590
>also it's fun as fuck
Opinions. I found it as a run of the mill JRPG because of its basic character customization, growth, battle system, and how you progress through the game.

>>581605
umm... it is... but it's still fun... no need to get angry just because I like something you don't
on no, I insinuated that some one should give something you didn't like a try

>>581605

Eh its a shame you couldn't appreciate it, but hey its what it is right?

>>581631

I don't think he was angry man. Chilllllll

>>581636
from my time on 4chan, the whole "opinions" thing usually indicates some one is angry

>>581631
I was giving you reasons to why I didn't find it fun and just an average game. It didn't stray too much from the genres foundations. Standard experience points and levels, only characters with PSI powers will gain skills and that is at land mark levels which is just standard development.

The customization is just equipping items and that is it, otherwise due to the strict experience points and level growth in which it automatically inserts your attributes for your character there was zero tinkering with them, or even your party since you didn't have a choice which is a shame since it is one of the things that is fun about RPG's.

Progress is fairly standard, it is a big line through most of the game then right at the end it slightly branches out for about four areas you need to go to, but that is about it.

The battle system isn't much to be noted on, most of it is just standard conserve MP (or in this case PP) and unload on bosses. The rolling HP system really didn't come into real effect until mid to mid late game. The exploding trees really didn't experiment with this mechanic too much since they usually came at you one at a time thus there wasn't anything to fret for when they hit hard.

I mean I liked the battle music and battle backgrounds, but such things couldn't get me to praise it at all since I could play many other RPG's that have something unique about them when it came to game mechanics.

>>581673

>not realizing jeff had abilities in the form of specific item usage
>implying they weren't useful as fuck

>people seriously thinking Earthbound is good because of it's gameplay

I'm pretty sure the majority of EB fans like it in spite of its gameplay. That's the case for me, anyway. It's a run of the mill JRPG that delivers a fantastic experience.

>>581686
I used his abilities like HP draining, defense boosting, and so on. It was still very standard.

>>581694
Generally I think good games have good game mechanics. If they lack that then they can only be average at best.

DQ1: too much grind
DQ2: hated it, would have been impossible without a guide, unfairly hard even with
DQ3: great game
DQ4: never played

FF1: great game
FF2: retarded
FF3: never played

But man fuck DQ2.

Wow. A single comment about Mother created this. Kind of shows what the fanbase has become. Too bad, there used to be cool threads about the series until some people decided to shit all over everything. I bet hardly anybody here was around for when the fan translation of the third game came out. It was straight up one of the greatest moments of /v/.

>>573078
I was born 2 years after the first final fantasy came out. How old are you..? Why aren't you with your children or working if you were a teen when final fantasy 1 first came out?

>>581735

I remember. We had mother threads every day for like a month. It was great.

I don't think this board is a very accurate representation of the fanbase as a whole, which is actually worse everywhere else.

>>581752
Na man, I meant back on /v/ like a few years ago. The ones we had on /vr/... they just didn't have the same atmosphere. Or so it seemed to me.

But you know, as with anything that becomes popular...

Just look up older Mother threads in chanarchive. It makes me feel good just reading them, even if those posters are long gone or maybe even dead. For what it's worth.

1>3>2

>Mother fans come in acting superior
>act like the victim when called on it
>continue to orgasm over Mother until the thread dies

Seriously....you guys seriously don't get why people get annoyed with you....?

>>582590

er...uh..meant >>581543

i GOOFED hard

>>582573

well what about >>58143

surely he makes us look better

I'm still kinda mad about DQ9 having only one save file

I wanna play the story again without having to lose all my progress damnit

>>582573
>Mother fans come in acting superior
Isn't this thread for opinions? Nobody shat on anybody until someone said they like Mother more than both in >>581407.

>>584729
And that was the first mention of Mother in the thread.

Order of goodness from awesome to poop:

DQ3
DQ9
DQ4
DQ2
FF1
DQ7
FF4
DQ1
FF9
DQ8
FF7
FF2
FF3

Didn't play the others.

>>573382
I remember seeing a template about that for every World of Warcraft expansion pack, totally expressed my feelings 100%

I have always preferred Final Fantasy. I think just because I enjoy the melodramatic storylines.

>>581201
>only played remakes
>Yet every time you get a new crystal, you have to start all the way back at level 1 agaqin.
Wow, the remake of 3 sounds shit. You should play the original, from the sounds of it what you played is a completely different game. That does not happen in the real FF3. In fact you should play the originals of them all.

i like them both equally and for different reason. Does every thread on 4chan have to be about differences?
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>>589006
Now you too can create your own!