/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5715806
Everdrives are awesome they are over priced but it's fun to play games in the original hardware using a everdrive.

They do sell 100-200 games on a cart at lower prices on eBay which is not as good as a everdrive that you can add rims to but still gives you a huge selection.

>>5715806
If ones age starts with a one and ones bank account balance is less than one then one should emulate

>>5715806
soulless

>>5715870
>t. (((collector)))

>>5715870
How are they soulless? I use them for games I don't really care much about and for translations patches. Opposite of soulless if you ask me.

>>5715870
Duh, inanimate objects have no soul

>>5715806
>Everdrives

>>5717138
U mad we aren't buying from you Mr. Reseller?

>>5715806
only the n64 everdrive is worth it due to perfect compatibility, plus 64dd support

>>5715806
Soulless.

>>5717228
you already said that friend

>>5715806
They are awesome and killed emulation gaming for me entirely. They are a little overpriced, but it's worth it.

There's no argument against them. They're perfection. All the games on the real hardware without having to collect.

>>5717138
The face of the owner of the local used game store.

>>5715806
Watch this:

They are incorrect voltage and will fry you're console and burn you're house down.

>>5717431
>Watch this:
Good job.

>>5717209
N64 carts didn't use add-on chips while the NES and SNES have a bunch that need to be emulated, sometimes not always with perfect accuracy.

>>5715870
>>5717138
Could you please write like a normal, grown person?

>>5717445
>not always with perfect accuracy.
It'll be hard, but you'll survive. I promise.

Gameboy carts don't use add-on chips either so that should be fine.

>>5717445
yeah, this is why I don't recommend them yet.
also a lot of people get stuck in a mindset where if a game doesn't work and is obscure, they don't care.

>>5717459
not every gb game works
n64 is the only system that has a perfect flashcart atm

>>5717471
Listen to the cope of this poorfag. Everdrives are like buying a good pair of boots instead of cheap boots that wear out.

>>5717471
>also a lot of people get stuck in a mindset where if a game doesn't work and is obscure, they don't care.
At that point you end up like chink Famiclone makers who were like "Oh well it runs Balloon Fight. Good enough. Who cares about LaGrange Point anyway?"

>>5715806
After getting my PVM, I absolutely love my everdrives for N64, Nes and SNES. Ne sure to get versions that are volted correctly!

I've fallen on this logic; if you play on an HD screen, then you may as well just emulate. Anything CRT related though, go everdrive and original hardware, unless you have an Ultra HDMI modded N64 or something.

>>5715806
In the comfort of my home, no reason not to just emulate.
If I were going to carry a portable, the carts seem like a good idea.

>>5717471
Good luck replacing all those save batteries or modifyng your carts to accept them . While I own an SD2SNES, I'm happy my Chrono Trigger at least is modified to have a battery holder.

>>5717187
>>5717428
>>5717449
real men buy the real carts not some pseudo emulation device

>>5715870
That's emulation bro

>>5717559
It's not though. I have the best classics for my SNES/NES all bought and in good condition, yet I still have my everdrive as backup. Anon, I seriously doubt you'd be willing to put the effort into soldering batteries into old carts. If you are (and have done so already) all the poer to you but otherwise they're a ticking bomb until they stop saving.

Everdrives are the best safeguard for your collection.

>>5717568
You do know those batteries will leak. Not using electronics is about the worse thing you can do to them besides corrosion.

>>5717638
Coin cell batteries don't leak though. It's only a concern on those wretched blue batteries on early 90s motherboards.

>>5717559
Spoken like a true tyranny princess!

>>5717642
>Coin cell batteries don't leak though.
Not really correct. They corrode like hell.

>>5717642
>>5717678
another random person jumping in here
they corrode/leak, but of the six faulty nintendo game batteries I've seen, none have damaged the PCB

>>5717138
>being a poor fag

>>5717549
i just emulate now, but everdrive 64 being perfect means i stopped emulating the platform

>>5717503
just wait for other flashcarts to get better. no point bragging about wasting money

>>5717431
look guys, it's that retarded guy again

>>5717138
here, fixed it for ya! ;)

>INB4 faggot mods ban me for like 3 days kek

>>5715806
Having the entire library of games on one cart, plus rom hacks and MSU1 all on original hardware, possibly the best thing ever! I don't listen to the faggots that talk about voltage problems, its bullshit, they talk out their asses. a flash cart is expensive but worth it if you want ALL the games on one cart.

>>5717471
>n64 is the only system that has a perfect flashcart atm

Yes but the SNES2PRO is missing like 2 Japanese games that nobody gives a shit about. It's perfect but I wish the price would come down. I have a N64 Everdrive V2.5 and absolutely love it.

What's missing from the NES everdrive? I thought it emulated everything well already besides FDS

>>5717728
I thought the SD2SNES is the only flashcart that supports MSU1
Not that it matters much cause the only MSU1 game worth playing is Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets

>>5717846
Only some obscure chink pirate cart mappers.

>>5717638
>You do know those batteries will leak. Not using electronics is about the worse thing you can do to them besides corrosion.
While kinda true... this is like locking your windows because someone said it might be drizzling outside. It's rare that it ever happens and it's not really a problem. It's no more important a problem than getting a broken straw in a drive-thru window.

>>5717445
https://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/CNROM

Here's an obscure one, Dance Aerobics, which has a sound IC that isn't implemented in any Flash cart.

>>5717431
>falling for fake news
>2019

>>5717695
I don't understand them either. For the price of 3-4 good well known games (in other words, not rare) you can have them all.

I'm not talking people that emulate, that's just smart if you can stand the issues (not saying all emulation, but some is still sketchy) and don't have memories of an actual console.

But there are people (one of my friends is like this) that want to collect games for actually playing and do nothing but bitch about the prices. He can't get it in his head that loading the rom into an actual machine isn't emulation. I've even had him do a blind test and he couldn't tell the difference. Guy has probably 200 NES games and does nothing but bitch about how much it costs to get them and how he should just sell them, loves playing them, but somehow refuses to use a flash cart. It's not money either. I don't get it.

Also, he likes other systems that weren't as common, like he has a tg-16 but only has 1 game for it. Considering how cheap the TG/PCE flash cart is, wouldn't it make sense to have all the games and explore the library for a system you own?

I can understand wanting to collect for one system, having that many games, but what would it hurt to have a collection and a flash cart?

>>5717868
I think you forgot Rock N Roll Racing with MSU audio anon.

>>5715806
Im going to sell some of my more expensive games (shit like Rule of Rose, Tron Bonne, etc) and get Flash Carts for each of my consoles.

Collecting is a mistake. Its a waste of money.

They are amazing. SD2SNES Pro + Super NT is the ultimate setup.

>>5715806
>Whats your opinion on everdrives?
Great stuff that allows me to play prototypes, hacks (like Genesis SF2 with better sound and graphics), utilities (240p suite), and rare games I missed out on.


>overpriced
I guess the makers have to make a living so that is the price they are set at. I still try to get some form of deal by getting the bootleg Chinese ones pictured, but being Chinese in nature means they do have a chance of destroying the systems due to the cut corners unlike the real deal. So it is a case of getting what you pay for.


>should one just emulate at this point.
Why wouldn't one emulate? There's so many great unique hardware like PC-98, Sharp X68000, so many arcade boards, and all the systems. A lot of hassle could be avoided rather than the cost/space/repair of old hardware which emulation provides. Emulation even can improve games like perspective correcting textures/color maps on original Playstation games, or playing at higher resolutions.

>I can't afford X
>in the same picture as flash carts and ODEs for most consoles
>after endlessly posting pictures of all the crap he has on the same marble counter
You are an attention whore.

>>5715806
The cost kept me from buying for years. Have an SD2SNES and an N8 now and will be buying one for genesis and 64 in the future now.
The wife and I tried emulating and would play some shit but never beat a game. Since getting the everdrives we have beaten a bunch of shit and played a bunch of other shit. Emulating is soulless, sitting in front of a CRT with original hardware is something you cannot emulate

>>5719089
>The wife and I
She sounds cool, be sure to breed often if you're both white.

I was gonna buy an SD2SNES pro, saved up 3/4s for it

then sadly I got let go from my job and that had to put the savings back into the bank.

>>5715806
I usually just buy the cheap chink clones since they work well enough. Flash carts and optical drive emulators are great for being able to play rare games, imports, rom hacks, fan translations, etc.

I've sold off most of my physical collection too, which is nice.

>>5719154
If there is any truth to the voltage meme , it is the chinks that can't be trusted

>>5719160
Good thing there's not really any truth behind it. Most 3.3v flash is 5v tolerant, and if it causes any kind of damage it will be to the cartridge, and not to your console.

But hey, if you wanna pay full price for an Everdrive go ahead. In some regards it is totally worth the price.

>>5715819
HUURRRRR THINGS COST MONEY DURRRRR

>>5718865
I was thinking more along the lines of chink Flash carts lack all of the mapper/ext. chip support.

>>5717232
>a little overpriced
>a little

waste of money, the best everdrives made today will not outlive the cartridges made 20 years ago.

>>5719227
Still better than paying the price that some of these games go for. Why pay $400 for a mediocre Genesis Punisher port when I could just play it on my $180 Mega Everdrive with every other Genesis game besides Virtua Racing instead?

>>5717431
Not all of them are though. Newer stuff coming out is going to fix this as well.

>>5719275
Doesn't change the fact that you paid 180 bucks for a pretty basic flashcard.

>>5718801
>He can't get it in his head that loading the rom into an actual machine isn't emulation
It is emulation in the sense of all the external cart chips being emulated via FPGA.

>>5718820
You doing it right but also keep some real cartridges around of cheaper games.

Im a big fan of flash carts

>>5719368
If the cartridge is cheap and easily obtained you may as well just buy it. Obviously you're not going to play LaGrange Point from a real cartridge.

>>5719379
Like if you actually wanted to play Bases Loaded (why?) those cartridges are cheaper than water.

>>5719186
At this point most flashcarts support damn near everything and what few games are not supported are not enough to justify passing on the current market offerings.

Would you really pass on a Mega Everdrive because Virtua Racing is not supported?
Would you really pass on a SD2SNES because Japan-only Shogi is not supported?
Would you really pass on a NeoGeo multicart because only 3/4 of the system's entire library is included?

If you answered YES to all three of those examples, you might have autism.

>>5717209
is there any compatibility differences between v2.5 and v3 (other then rtc games) or is the only value in the v3 the few added features

>>5719415
pokemon stadium 2 has some visual bug in the pokedex on 2.5
the only real appeal of v3 is not having to press reset to save

>>5717445
Theres only a handful of good games that use the chips and most of them are cheap.

>>5717638
The batteries are constantly in use to keep the save from dumping while the powers off. Using it isnt going to stop corrosion from happening.

>>5719236
Lol wat

>>5719089
>soulless
opinion discarded.

>>5719071
what are you even saying

>>5719460
yeah, using or not using cartridges will have no effect on the battery, they will have the same lifespan. You will still have to solder in new ones. Putting power through the cartridge also will do little/nothing, unless maybe if you're some speedrunner that has the same game on all day every day.

I'd worry a lot more about cartridges picking up dust and moisture. The one thing you can be sure an everdrive will NOT do is keep the batteries going longer.

I bought mine (GBA & GB) out of necessity. My kids dig playing the old games, but they just don't give a shit above the boxes. They've left them in all kinds of states, so I bought the Everdrives so they wouldn't have to touch the physical games.

>>5715806
Soulless.

>>5721038
Dilate

>>5718821
Doesn't even have analogue 240p out, you utter faggot.

>>5721040
it doesn't have stone tablets or fax output either, welcome to the new millennium

>>5719236
That's a bold faced lie if that cartridge comes with a save battery.

>>5721283
Why play old games at all? Welcome to the new millennium.

If you can't do it right and you even argue that the wrong way is better, just give up and buy the new Assassin's Creed, you tasteless geek.

>>5718865
>different flashcart for GB and GBA

This I don't get, couldn't they just make one that worked for both? Form factor clearly isn't the reason. Is it a hardware-related isue? Or just to jew the most shekels out of people?

>>5722407
He couldn't figure out how to implement a cheat device on the gba cart and gave up ever trying. That's probably at least part of the reason.

>>5722348
OLED screens do have objectively better color, blacks, and most importantly size, than CRTs though.

>>5719186
The primary problem with the Chinese bootlegs are that they cannot be firmware upgraded. You are locked into the the feature set it comes with. They may lack the quality control too amonst other issues.


>>5722407
The Chinese GBA flashcart I got uses emulators to play GB/GBC games on the GBA-to-SNES adapter. I think it was because of the form factor that the GBA shell does not hit the button to activate a GB mode. That's why I got the GB one for the Super Gameboy. There is a lot of hassle one has to live with going the chinkshit route, but if you can afford it, it is best to buy the real thing to avoid these issues.

>>5722407
Voltages are off, GB/GBC uses 3.3v and GBA 5v, and even though both carts looks the same and goes to same port, the pinouts are different. and to enable GB/GBC mode in the GBA you need to activate a mechanical switch which in normal operation is triggered by the GB/GBC cartridge shape. And so far nobody has made one that works on both systems, that doesn't use emulation and consider how people bitch about gba everdrives size and price, its not gonna happen anytime soon.

Sell me on buying a flashcart instead of emulating on my Wii

>>5722749
They don't present classic games as well as a CRT, so whatever it is they are "objectively", or are not, is irrelevant.

What's the point on ed64 v3 when you can get a chink for a third of it's price.

>>5723214
There is no point. Not buying a chink ED64Plus and chink EverDriveMD is a mistake. The only EverDrive really worth it is for Gameboy as the chinks can't seems to get that one right. Which is weird cause as for the (not retro) GBA the EZ-FLASH blows the EverDriveGBA out of the water.

>>5715814
i kind of agree but the snes everdrive doesn't support the special chips on some games and some of them are the best in the library of snes, i dont know about the other consoles but i feel like is the only one that you will have trouble with

What are the best affordable chink flashcarts for the SNES? Are the SD2SNES clones any good?

>>5723263
>The only EverDrive really worth it is for Gameboy as the chinks can't seems to get that one right.
ElCheapoSD?

>>5723495
>clones
>of opensourced hardware
lol

>>5722779
Everytime you post something I can only think you're saying "bla bla bla I need attention, talk about me instead of what the thread was originally about". Cut it off with those pictures. Yeah we get it, you own a few thingies and you like to blog about your life on an imageboard. It's clear enough you're an insufferable faggot.

>>5715806
They’re great if you want to indulge hardware autism but don’t have the means to buy all the games you want physically. Emulation will still win out for casual dabblers and people on a hard budget.

>>5719332
Thats only in the case of a flash cart emulating a cartridge chip which stuff like n64 and gb didnt have for the most part. Now stuff like snes and flashcarts doing superfx and other special chips thats more akin to emulation.

where do I get roms nowadays?

>>5715806
Are there any good cheaper Chink knockoffs yet?

>>5718821
Uhh why the fuck not a regular one?
>Muh LCD screen
Dilate

>>5723530
>ElCheapoSD?
Maybe if the guy made more than 2 at a time. Shits never in stock nigga.

>>5719496
Soulless.

I own every one of them because i'm not poor and i love them. I am working on getting ODEs for my other systems but they're not so cut and dry from a brand perspective.

>>5723107
If you need sold on it you are unironically better off emulating on the wii. Don't waste your money to satisfy online autists.

>>5724116
archive.org

I really, really wish ODE developers could be more like Krikzz, where they stuff for sale constantly, rather than dribs and drabs when they feel like, or just have cunty practices.
I've seen people slag off Terraonion, but I don't know why.

>>5715806
>overpriced
You pay for their engineering. It's actually worth doing since you get actual support, updates won't make your non-clone explode, the NES everdrive receives fan mapper patches for obscure shit, etc.
And buying an official unit is actually possible, unlike GDEMU where the author puts 5 units at 2 am every 6 months, ignores any suggestions on how to improve his manufacturing and order processing and gets mad that people prefer chink pirated versions (aka the only ones you can buy).

>>5726219
>I really, really wish ODE developers could be more like Krikzz
I used to think that the skills necessary to develop such a product were too arcane for figuring out nowadays but I've found a book about Compact Discs and boy does it deliver. It covers everything from the EFM encoded signal on the data tracks to the laser tracking hardware, and even explains details about the pressing plant techniques (at the time, at least).
I'm definitely taking this as a vacation project and it's perfectly possible to succeed, at least with simpler consoles like the Turbografx. Gonna BTFO those ODE cunts.

>>5726219
>I've seen people slag off Terraonion, but I don't know why.
among other things for releasing an ODE for pce with funky analog circuitry, leading to quality- and functional issues.
other stuff include not testing their stuff with proper equipment, hilarious assembly-errors (polarity? whazzat?), support-forum on neo-geo.com for a while.

>>5726248
I wish you luck.
>>5726252
Right. Thanks.

dunno bout everdrives, but some of these things have savestates which is the only real feature emulators have which bring me back to them. Other than that, using real hardware with an everdrive is the superior way to game < 5th gen

>>5726196
Hoarding transitory things would be collecting cartridges. For some of us the CRT Experience is essential.

>>5724605
I got one around the new year and it crashes.

>>5729291
>For some of us the CRT Experience is essential.
It's absolutely essential, and you can play at the native resolution and video mode on a Wii w/CRT

>>5729291
I don't think anything was said about a crt. I agree it's essential. I was teasing him about not emulating and buying flash carts.

>>5731470
>>5731597
I bought flash carts to play with zero lag and with the original controllers. Maybe I just like playing on the original console, too. It's as close to the real experience as I can go without having to pay reseller prices for games. You do you though, I really don't look down on people who emulate.

>>5719171
This. Most electronic devices aren't particularly exact with voltage.

Ask yourself: Why would a console that outputs 5v be fried by 5v? Let alone 3.3? Now if these carts needed 12v or outputted 12v somehow to the console we'd be having a different conversation but 1 1/2 or so voltage difference isn't a big deal.

>>5731649
Thats not to say I recomend chink trash. Even unlicensed NES games from the time period are garbage and output wierd voltages to pins they shouldnt. Dont use them.

>>5729664
Falling for the elcheapo meme.

>>5715806
What's the advantage in using an everdrive over using a modded Wii? Aren't they both pseudo-emulation?

>>5734243
Everdrive clones a cartridge using roms on original hardware. It's not emulation except for stuff like SD2SNES where it uses an FPGA chip to emulate the SuperFX or SA1. Even then it's like half emulation since everything but that chip is original.

>>5717549
Replacing batteries is easy though.

>>5715870
>a kike telling us what "soul" is

>>5726196
FUCK OWNING PROPERTY AND SHIT AMIRITE

what are some of those which can be bought in Aliexpress? Ebay/Amazon aren't options in my shithole country

>>5734593
You need to ask better than that if you want an answer els.

>>5734256
>everything but that chip is original
>literally nothing is original
Sounds like you might be retarded

>>5735498
The console itself is what I'm referring to. What solid state memory chips the game data is loaded onto is irrelevant as the game console plays it back exactly the same.

>>5735580
Akshully what chips the game is loaded onto is very important in a number of ways. Some games have copy protection that checks to make sure they aren't running out of RAM on an old copier. Some games will fail if the memory isn't fast enough. And, of course, there are all sorts of chips that are incompatible with each other.
Flash carts are a great way to play on original hardware but trying to explain how something works when you don't understand isn't a good way to convince anyone of anything.

>>5723326
There is the SD2SNES which plays almost all special chip games, with more updates in the future coming.

>>5736165
>Some games have copy protection that checks to make sure they aren't running out of RAM on an old copier. Some games will fail if the memory isn't fast enough. And, of course, there are all sorts of chips that are incompatible with each other.
All are completely irrelevant in 2019, actually these were irrelevant in 2010.

>>5715819
What the fuck were you trying to say here
Teenagers should emulate unless their bank account balance is over $1? You stupid

>>5717559
Real men don't play video games, nerd

>>5736737
All are completely relevant now and always will be. If a flash cart doesn't use the correct chips in the correct way you won't be able to play games using it. Just because you don't understand how something works doesn't mean how it works is irrelevant.

>>5736165
>Some games have copy protection that checks to make sure they aren't running out of RAM on an old copier
That was all removed by patches anyway.

>>5738090
>If a flash cart doesn't use the correct chips in the correct way you won't be able to play games using it.
Yeah but who would manufacture a flash cart with the wrong chips? It's relevant to those assembling them, but to everyone else it isn't relevant since only the chinkist of chink clones would have that problem.

>>5715806
I bought one last year for chrismas their pretty great for trading between yourself in pokemon if your into that kind of thing,the boatload of games is just a nice bones

>>5738190
Nice, I was very lucky to find a used EverDrive GB on ebay for cheap. Sucks that ebay deletes most flash cars listings for whatever reason.

>>5738095
No, it wasn't. And when they tried developers came up with ways to detect if a game was patched. It was a game of cat and mouse that was won by the coppier makers when they just disabled writing to the RAM.

>>5738098
Anyone who didn't know what the correct chips to use were would manufacture a flash cart with the wrong chips. Are you blissfully ignorant of the fact that this has actually happened? You say "everyone else" but do you realize that there are literally more people in this world designing electronics than there are zoomers playing on flashcarts? And if you exclude chinkshit from that? Wew lad, you're talking about less zoomers than there are people designing electronics in a small country.

>>5738324
>Are you blissfully ignorant of the fact that this has actually happened?
Give me at least one actual example.

>>5738328
>>/vr/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=wew+lad

It's a known troll. Just ignore it.

>>5715806
Rather than an everdrive I would buy an FPGA based system and play roms there

>>5738328
https://db-electronics.ca/2017/07/05/the-dangers-of-3-3v-flash-in-retro-consoles/

>>5738626
>this alarmist nonsense again
That isn't even related to the conversation too.

>>5719460
It won't stop the battery from leaking, but there's a gap between
battery voltage drops below SRAM maintenance level
and
battery splurges its poison goo over your precious roms
Playing it regularly will let you know it's reached the 1st bad thing before you get to the second.

>>5719236
Explain further. Are you thinking SD cards will be hard to come by in 10 years time?
Or that the models that use onboard flash will wear out? Cause there's no guarantee of that, it all depends on the write cycles of the flash krikzz uses.

>>5738098
>Yeah but who would manufacture a flash cart with the wrong chips? It's relevant to those assembling them, but to everyone else it isn't relevant since only the chinkist of chink clones would have that problem.
a genesis-game (I think) had an antipiracy-measure by trying to write at a SRAM-address, which the retail cart didn't have, but copiers did.
that's the kind of stuff you have to deal with, which got nothing to do with "proper" chips.

>>5738628
>let me prove just how ignorant i am
Mission accomplished bucko. This is exactly what the conversation is about. Nearly every modern flash cart designer used 3.3v flash chips. These are not the right chips for most consoles. Designers who understood this added buffers to deal with it.
Whether you buy the tall tales about how this will cause your console to burst into flames is irrelevant. What is 100% relevant is that flash chips that aren't rated to run on 5V will burn out if you run them at 5V. And it's happening.
And before the "b-b-b-ut muh flash cart still works so it's not true", consider this. If it's not a problem then why did everyone redesign their flash carts to add buffers?

>>5738956
>If it's not a problem then why did everyone redesign their flash carts to add buffers?
This is really the only argument you need. It's bad/lazy/cheap design that just can't be justified. Retarded fanboys will defend anything though.

>>5738956
>If it's not a problem then why did everyone redesign their flash carts to add buffers?
To draw less power and thus generate less heat and EMI. Like the designers stated. As for the retard link you posted:
"since typical CMOS current ratings are ± 5.2mA."
This is not fucking true at all, CMOS current ratings are ± 20mA. The "bad" flashcarts output about 7ma, which is well within spec, not over like this retard claims. TTL electronics are limited to 5V, CMOS can run 15V or even 18V. As stated by multiple people, DB electronics is a fucking retard.

And you are a goddamn retard for trying to play the "I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU" game without knowing anything about electronics and how they function.

>>5738956
>>5738982
Can you link me the data sheet for the flash memory?

>>5739005
Old 1.0 specification from mid 2000's:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110727145313/http://onfi.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/onfi_1_0_gold.pdf
Apparently flash NAND memory is rated to take 7.9V as long as it's not a constant 7.9V for long periods of time, and can deal with 100mA and they say you can give it even more juice if you want better write performance.

Given the retard's complaint about 7mA being a problem, shows the retard never even bothered to look up the specs.

>>5715870
>>5717138
wrong

>>5715870
>>5717565
wrong

Soulless is actually the perfect adjective for this

>>5739154
>>5739161
>/v/ once again confirms they care more about memes than actually playing videogames
We already know, why do you keep repeating yourselves?

>>5717108
>>5734550
>(((everdrive))) shills calling anybody else a kike
Pathetic attempt chaim

>>5739167
I have no problem playing video games without your shitty everdrive that you keep trying to shill. Fuck off.

>>5739173
Which is why you are posting meme shit instead of talking about a videogame right?
>the /v/irgin screams SHILL at anyone who points out the /v/irgin's lack of interest in videogames

>>5719458
Uhh, no.
SA-1 games are some of the most expensive popular SNES titles.
Super Mario RPG, Kirby 3, Kirby Superstar, and Marvelous.

FX has Yoshi's Island. Star fox 1 is cheap, usually.

>>5739154
where does this fall meme-man 6?

>>5717638
Not for like 40 years, if they even do.
Coin cells are built like tanks.
These aren't barrel batteries like in a CPS2 or older 486/386 motherboard. Those are little acid bombs.

>>5726196
Life is also transitory and temporary.
Why not kill yourself? It's all going to end soon anyway.

>>5739193
Probably right on the raspberry pi emulation

>>5726252
Anything supported on Neo-geo.com is a red flag.
The people on that forum as so stuck up their own asses.

I have an everdrve 64. Is there some kind of custom formware someone has made that lets you put stuff like boxart on the game selection? Or something like random background choosing when you boot up?

>>5739190
Doesn't really matter much at this point because both SA-1 and Super FX are supported on the SD2SNES, you don't even need to get a "pro" version of it to update an older physical release to get support both of them.
It's still not possible to play the original Star Ocean on it and a few Shogi games so it ain't no 100% compatibility but hey at least you guys know now.

>>5739357
Star Ocean works. S-DD1 support has been live since early this year and they are slowly rolling out game-specific bugfixes.

https://sd2snes.de/blog/archives/1063

>>5739357
>>5739426
SDD1 support is not needed, since Star Ocean 1 and Street Fighter Alpha only uses it for compression, and flashcarts can just load the uncompressed data.

I mean, there is a shogi game, but there are better shogi games on the same console.
Also, playing SFA1 on an SNES is not worth it. It's better on Saturn.

>>5739445
You are right, I just wanted to point out for anyone reading the thread that even the non-Pro SD2SNES has this chip now so you can play the original, unmodified ROM.

>>5738956
>What is 100% relevant is that flash chips that aren't rated to run on 5V will burn out if you run them at 5V. And it's happening.
100% bullshit with zero evidence once again.

>>5739194
If a coin cell leaks, it's only a tiny amount of goo and not the huge release of nasty stuff that comes from alkaline batteries.

>>5737829
This is true. How many trans men have you seen speedgaming, or video gaming at all?

>>5739194
>tfw an alkaline battery turns acidic

>>5722407
I had read somewhere that form was the legit reason it can't work.
Like the way gba's detected if it was a gb/gbc game was based on the cart shape.

>>5739001
All those fanboi mental gymnastics, and if your strawman only had a brain. I was asked to post an example of flash carts that used the wrong chips. I posted a link to a page that detailed many of them. Most of those have now been redesigned to compensate for using the wrong chip. Any reasons/excuses given are irrelevant as is your and anyone elses ignorance or how electronics work. You can seethe all you want little fanboi but I delivered exactly what I was asked to.

>>5739005
There is no "the" flash memory. There are many different kinds. This is the problem. It can be legit confusing, especially for hobbyists.

>>5739567
100% fact and a well known one. Cry hard and try harder little man.

>>5738626
i-it might brick your console eventually!!!
literally who cares faggot, ill just buy another $40 sega genesis and continue to have every game on real hardware but keep justifying your sunk cost fallacy lmao

>>5739001
Lmoa, you absolute mong. From the mouth of Mr. Genius Kikezz himself:
"I not trying to prove that design without voltage translators is a good design, but at least carts do not damage itself or consoles."
And this is based purely on his "extreme" testing and lack of costumer complaints. "Well, stable work of thousands carts during many years isn’t proof that all ok? I think it is good enough proof."
Like how the fuck would anyone you know if your ancient console died because you were using a flash cart. Maybe just don't sell products that are so poorly designed that it can be questioned whether they may cause damage or not?
Then he goes on about the "real" benefits of using level translators:
"Side effects which i really seen is extra emi and power consumption, some noise on the bus while signal edge changes, but not critical for such slow system like retro consoles and can be filtered with fpga."
So the emi is already a non-issue. And what's the power consumption he's are talking about here? Why is that suddenly a problem (except for handhelds)?
>>5741185
Cringe. Go suck more jew dick, faggot.

>>5717449
On 4chan? I think not.

>>5741187
seething

>>5741192
I'm so sorry that your childhood hero isn't perfect.

>>5741203
You think I care about who supplies me with flashcarts? lmao I don't even buy em from krikkz I get em from stoneagegamer. I just want all the games on real hardware without having to buy them all. Makes sense right?

>>5741218
>You think I care about who supplies me with flashcarts?
I don't, no. I think you're a braindead consumer.

>>5715806
Flash carts are a great option for games. They free you from the reseller scalping world, and they also save you from having to store tons of carts in your house, which if you've ever moved house, you know how annoying it is to own all of that shit. I sold off my collection and pretty much only own select carts and a wide array of flashcarts, ODEs, and other replacements to OG software. I get the real experience, but without the hassle. That's an obvious winner to me.

At the risk of sounding like a shill, I actually think that the krikkz everdrive offerings are pretty good in pricing. Expensive compared to other makers, but I have found that in my own experience, other flash carts made by other makers are not as good in one way or another. Flashmasta, for example, is the only maker of a wonderswan flash cart, and that cart has no casing (bare PCB), and maxes out at 16 games stored. Granted that's good, but it doesn't match everdrive's consistent ability to hold an entire library and not flinch. And on that note, the better everdrive carts have much faster write times than ones I've used elsewhere. Take the Cheapo SD from bennvenn, I bought it since I didn't want to pay everdrive prices. It's good, but in my experience, it takes a while to erase old roms and write new ones (particularly for anything larger, like later GB releases). It also seems to drain batteries fast. More difficult is that you have to hold the back button for several seconds to save, and this increases the battery drain briefly as it occurs. That means you sometimes are ending up with a dead GB before your save finishes. I also have that long write time problem with my everdrive MD, which is a chinese clone of an older model than the current X-series. As I know it, the newer everdrives write very quickly new games to memory. My ED MD takes a while, you can get up and grab a snack while you wait for a larger game to write, and if you're writing a 32X game then forget it. Meanwhile, the newer ED stuff is fast. If I boot up an N64 game on my ED64 v2.5, then it is there all but instantly. Maybe it just comes down to tech differences sometimes, but I will say that in my experience, despite the high prices, ED tends to offer the best quality experience. I would definitely go with their stuff first if money were no object, my only gripe is they don't do more systems. I'd like to see a better flash cart for wonderswan.

>>5741229
First I'm a fanboy, then I'm braindead - what next? Just admit you're assmad because people can enjoy games without having to buy them from your shitty local retro game store or ebay lmao

>>5741250
nice text-diarrhea

>the only people who believe dbelectronics post between midnight and 6AM PST
>obvious shitposting austrailians
Now cue the shitposters trying to claim every flash chip doesn't follow the standard which was posted earlier.

>>5741413
Kikezz' argument is that he hasn't gotten any complaints from customers, so his products must be perfectly fine. Which is why he changed his designs and started using level translators...

>>5739338
anyone?

>>5741429
Again, flash memory needs to be able to handle up to 7.9V and 100+mA in order to meet the standard. Again, the method used in those flash carts generates more heat and eats more power, they don't create voltages above 7.9V or amperage above 7mA. Quit ignoring the specs and explain how working within spec will kill anything.

>>5723326
sd2snes you broke motha fucka. cant even begin to understand why people have actually ever spent money on an 'Everdrive.' Their fucking worthless.

>>5741525
Still waiting for retard to explain how operating within spec kills shit.

>>5739048
>Apparently I didn't even understand what I posted
Shocker

>>5741093
Guy listen. It's incredibly easy to list the datasheets and prove your point. Hell I'll make it even easier for you. Just give me the part numbers (not the chink clone number) and I'll look it up myself.

>>5741747
>I have no argument or proof, better just say the guy posting the specsheet is WRONG!
Drink bleach or learn to argue like an adult.

>>5741093
>100% fact and a well known one.
Still no proof, not an argument.

>>5741783
I already proved my point. All I have to do now is sit back and laugh as some retarded fanbois desperately scramble to convince themselves that a 3.3v part is the right part for a 5v system. The mental gymnastics and kidsplaining of their complete failure are sweet music to my eyes.

>>5741835
Adults don't argue with children kiddo

>>5741869
Seethe harder deluded fanboi.

>>5715806
The emulation community is a nudge-nudge wink-wink piracy ring. However, I don't think its unethical in the majority of cases, since many of these games of abandonware - and the only reason they fall under copyright are IP squatters and King Mouse being greedy.

>>5742695
>Seethe harder deluded fanboi.
Why would I be mad? You're the one that got BTFO and are trying desperately to save face for some reason.

>>5742741
He argues like that Saint retard in the other thread.

>>5742715
lets me get my own rips of the entire nes library. Or better yet, let me.boot up the wiiu where i bought some shit nes games for $5 each.

>>5739193
but doesnt this had a decent emu you can install now?

>>5741525
>flash memory needs to be able to handle up to 7.9V and 100+mA in order to meet the standard
>the standard
Ahh, yes. What a swell fella he is. Love him.

>>5742741
I assume you're mad because you're a failure at life. And also because you made a fool of yourself ITT.

>>5743521
>I assume you're mad because you're a failure at life. And also because you made a fool of yourself ITT.
Stop talking about yourself.

>>5743739
Ohhhh, sick burn my dude!

>>5743746
Thanks man. You know all you had to do was produce some actual evidence for your argument and you wouldn't have made an ass of yourself? I guess that's too much to expect of a retard.

>>5743750
>he thinks anyone replying to him is the person he was previously replying to
Yikes.

>>5743775
>he jumps into conversations without noting himself as someone different while acting just as retarded as the other guy
Yikes, that autism.

>>5743781
Hello, dear Gentlesir. I am not the person you were originally replying to, so pardon me for interjecting. Your post made me cringe, and thus I will now exclaim the word "Cringe!".
Cringe!

>>5743790
There you go, still autistic as hell but what can you do.

>>5743739
>no u
top kek kid

>>5743750
Not me sport. I provided actual evidence for my argument. It pained your anus and you went on this tirade trying to convince people that running 3.3v parts at 5v is no problem. I can tell by the way you project about autism that you're a turboautist and will never admit that you're wrong, even to yourself. But I know that deep down you know you're an ignorant fool who doesn't know what he's talking about. And it makes you mad. So very, very mad. And that gives me pleasure.

>>5745289
>It pained your anus and you went on this tirade trying to convince people that running 3.3v parts at 5v is no problem.
What's the problem exactly? How many examples of actually broken devices do you have? The reason we know smoking causes cancer is because millions have died from it as a result of smoking. If no units have been broken then it's simply a load of absolute bullshit based on speculation.

>>5745309
Your idol never even tried to refute the criticism.
>"Heh, theory is good, but what we have on the practice?"
Top fucking kek.
>"However, i agree that all carts should use voltage shift buffers for all IO, it will reduce power consumption, emi noice, increase stability and overall product quality."
Go back to posting on your idol's forum, you brain-dead fanboi.

>>5745309
Dude, you're like an ostrich with your head in the sand. Except not as smart as an ostrich and the sand is your ass..

>>5717559
Im going to be a real man and spend all this money on a large car downpayment instead of giving it to resellers.

>>5745873
I REALLY hope that's a V8, anon.

I don't get the claim that 3.3V fansois are sucking krikkz dikk because the "flashcarts kill consoles" meme is completely the work of one dude. The NEVERdrive brigade is just as much on dbelectronic's nuts as everyone else is on krikkz's.

Fun fact: dbelectronics specifically calls out the SD2SNES in his original screed as a "prime example of how to properly design a flash cart". Can't we all just get along?

Was actually looking for a thread about these. I've been trying to sell my GB USB Smart Card for a bit (would include a GBC with it) and not really sure where to go. Any advice?

Could I use an everdrive to play famicom translations?

>>5746124
Yes. Patch the ROM with the translation, put the patched ROM on the cart, you are good to go.

>>5746098
Maybe people (including you) should just grow a brain? Db has actual arguments although his blog was perhaps too alarmist. Krikkz' counterargument is "lol, if it's bad for the hardware then where are all the dead consoles? (But you're right, using level translators is the proper way to do things.)"

>>5715806
What's the difference between sd2snes and sd2snes pro?

>>5746258
Pro version has a newer (and better) FPGA. The sole reason it exists is because the old FPGA got discontinued though.
The only difference for now is that the pro version can play SA-1 games with MSU-1 audio (which is stupid as shit anyway). So for now it's fucking nothing.
Maybe the new FPGA can be utilized for something in the future, but who knows.

>>5715870
>buy my overpriced resales instead
Fuck off

>>5745846
I don't have an idol. I'm simply telling you you're looking for a cause without an effect.

>>5715870
>>5717138
>>5717228
back to /v/

>>5746143
>lol, if it's bad for the hardware then where are all the dead consoles?
What is your counter argument to this?

>>5746683
That it shortens the life of the console, but it would be impossible to prove how much and in the way you want it to be proved. That's why you follow established design practices and don't draw more current from a chip than you have to.

>>5746801
>That it shortens the life of the console, but it would be impossible to prove how much and in the way you want it to be proved
I want it to be proved with actual results and not speculation. How do you know it "shortens the life" of a console without results?

>>5746801
>This is true but impossible to prove
What?

>>5742971
BleemSync or AtuoBleem into RetroArch
OTG adapter for USB3.0 flash drive & freeing up 2nd controller port
USB plugged DS3/DS4 for analog sticks

>>5746807
Why? It's not speculation if it's based on solid science. Trying to guess how much you shorten the life of your console would be speculation. It could be negligible, but maybe it's not.
>>5746809
Tell me how you would run any sort of reliable test on old as shit consoles with fuck knows how much wear on them. Who knows how many unused conosles you would need just to account for the inherent difference in failure times.

>>5746905
But the 5V is coming from the console into the flashcart, the flashcart isn't supplying the 5V for the console. What does the SNES's lifespan have to do with 5V supposedly killing the carts?

>>5746905
>Why? It's not speculation if it's based on solid science
It's entirely speculative. What parts of systems have failed as a result? If the answer is "well we can be somewhat sure it might happen in the future" then it's literally just speculation.

>>5746916
I think it has to do with the excess voltage from 5v fed into 3.3v carts don't dissipate properly damaging the console. Retail carts are designed for 5v.

>>5746916
It's about both, but I don't see why you would care particularly about killing a currently massproduced plaything. And this >>5746928
>>5746917
If studies prove that five different brands of cigarettes all cause cancer, would you need tests that prove that a sixth brand, produced in the same way as the others, containing the same ingredients, causes cancer as well? This is your retarded "argument".
More current = higher temperatures = shorter lifespan.

>>5746928
It's more about causing excess current draw.

>>5746969
>If studies prove that five different brands of cigarettes all cause cancer, would you need tests that prove that a sixth brand, produced in the same way as the others, containing the same ingredients, causes cancer as well?
Where are the actual studies that prove that old game consoles have a "shorter life span" as a result of flash carts? While we're at it, what exactly do you mean by shorter life span? In what way does it damage the hardware?

>>5746970
>It's more about causing excess current draw.
>>5746969
>More current = higher temperatures = shorter lifespan.
Given the difference in temperature, by this logic anyone who plays a SNES in a house where the ambient temp goes above 80 is killing their console. You know what else increases power draw? Playing a SNES game with an SA-1 chip. Using a multi-tap. Are people who play SA-1 games killing SNES's now? How about using a multi-tap?

Cheaper than collecting and better than emulating. Flashcarts are actually the best way to play.

I've been playing all manner of bootleg carts in my model 1 sega genesis for close to 20 years and it's been fine the whole fucking time.

You should be way more scared about running your console in summer without the AC on, not having a surge protector between it and your outlet.

Honestly though, you can still grab most retro consoles off ebay for $50 or less. If you're worried about them dying, just buy five of the fuckers and seal them up in air tight boxes with some silica.

Boom, you're set for life.

>>5746975
This is the point where I tell you to cease breathing. Then you proclaim yourself the "winner" of the argument since I didn't respond to your inept points. Am I wrong?
To answer your only reasonable question: electromigration.
>>5746994
>Given the difference in temperature, by this logic anyone who plays a SNES in a house where the ambient temp goes above 80 is killing their console.
It would accelerate wear compared to playing in a room at lower temperatures, yes.
>You know what else increases power draw? Playing a SNES game with an SA-1 chip. Using a multi-tap. Are people who play SA-1 games killing SNES's now? How about using a multi-tap?
It's really not about the overall power draw. Those things don't draw current from the CPU. Could it accelerate wear on other parts that could eventually lead to system failure? It's not impossible.

>>5747027
So still no actual proof then? Just more weasel words about how it might and could perhaps maybe do some damage at an indeterminate time in some nondescript way. Do you understand why I don't believe you? There's nothing to believe.

>>5747036
I'm not going to argue with you, Krikzzzz. Go back to your forum and stay there.

>>5747049
Please, his English is not nearly as good as mine. Glad you just decided to give up, it's the smart decision when you have no actual argument.

>>5747056
It's a shame that my predictions were ever so slightly off.

>>5715806
Honestly, unless the emulator is particularly inaccurate, which other than the N64 (and the Genesis specifically audio-wise) none of the consoles in that picture are, emulation will always be more convenient for those willing to make small concessions. Flashcarts are more of a luxury item than anything else, which is why they're so expensive. They're still cheaper than trying to collect all the physical game carts, but game collectors are an entirely different demographic.

>>5717471
>not every gb game works
Got any examples? The only ones I can think of are ones that you can't really emulate either, like Tilt 'n' Tumble, where there's special hardware inside the cart.

>>5719409
>Would you really pass on a NeoGeo multicart because only 3/4 of the system's entire library is included?
I mean, 25% is a lot, that's like 40 games on the system that you can't play on the flashcart. I've never explored the Neo Geo's library so I don't know which of those are worth playing and which aren't, but it's a significant concession unlike those other two.

>>5747173
I'd bet most of the sales actually are collectors, who don't want to ever actually touch their collection once it's on the shelf.

>>5746117
LSDJ guys are fans of those, otherwise they're just an interesting novelty since modern flash carts are better in most aspects. I would linger around chiptune or GB specialty forums (even r*ddit) and see if you can find a buyer.

I'm interested in getting one for the N64.

>>5715806
In my experience they are good products, though I hear SD2SNES may be a better choice for the SNES. Nonetheless my Super Everdrive and Mega Everdrives have worked well for me and I consider them very worth the purchase.

Found this chink stuff for $199

These are the specifications:

FEATURES:

MicroSD/SDHC/SDXC support (no exFAT support so SDXC cards must be reformatted using FAT32)

Fast ROM loading (~9MB/s)

Fast menu navigation

Directories are sorted automatically, no need for FAT sorting tools

High resolution menu (512×224) for adequate display of long file names

Real Time Clock

Supports ROM size up to 128MBit (96Mbit actually implemented)

Automatic near-time SRAM saving to SD Card.

Enhancement chip support (see below for implementation status)

MSU-1 can be used in conjunction with all enhancement chips

SuperCIC key :

-enables operation on unmodified consoles of all regions

-supports software 50/60Hz switching on SuperCIC enhanced consoles only

Auto region patching
SUPPORTED ENHANCEMENT CHIPS:

BS-X memory map / Satellaview base unit registers (clock)

DSP-1/1B

DSP-2

DSP-3

DSP-4

ST-010

Cx4

MSU-1

S-RTC

OBC-1

GSU (Super FX)

SA-1

S-DD1


Information about differences between original and China version.
The cartridge uses a custom made multi-region shell.

It fits any region consoles: North America (NTSC), Europe (PAL), Japan (NTSC).


Firmware update Supported


If you choose our 8GB SD card version, we pre-installed firmware_V1.10.3 system.

If there is a new update system, all consumers can go to the SD2SNESwebsite to update the new system.


Pre-installed more than 1000 games. And add many special chips games. Such as:


CX4 chip games: Mega Man X2 / Mega Man X3

DSP1/2/3/4 chip games: Lock On / Top Gear 3000/ SuperMarioKart etc.

Super FX chip games: Doom / Star Fox / SuperMarioWorld 2 - YoshisIsland etc.

SA-1 chip games: Dragon Ball Z - Hyper Dimension / Kirby's Dream Land 3 / SuperMarioRPG - Legend of the Seven Stars etc.

S-DD1 chip games: Star Ocean / Street Fighter Alpha 2 etc.

Yay or nay?

>>5715806
Have any of you guys hacked the SNES Classic? If so what are your thoughts

>>5747791
For 200 bucks you could buy an authentic pro version.

got my old everdrive n8 on a discount through a friend, came with a nice clean NOS case and a cool label, and an SD access port for a card already loaded with everything I could need
the usual issues are the same, takes a little jiggling to get into place, but from there the UI is laid out simplistically and everything works well including save states
good investment if you can get it for around a buck

>>5747791

>sending 200 bucks to China

Okay, man. Solid idea.

>>5747791
SD2SNES is an open source project so even a chink SD2SNES should work fine. Woundn't give chong more than 120 bucks for one but you do you.

>>5746117
no one wants your old ass flash cart grandpa.

I got an N64 EverDrive because my Pi can't handle it. It came preloaded with every N64 game ever made, and it was expensive. I have a really well paying job, so price didn't really matter. Convenience becomes worth a couple hundred bucks when your time is literally money.

gay

>>5746117
>and not really sure where to go. Any advice?
landfill

>>5747801
This is, the shipping is free, and if I buy the authentic one, the shipping is extremely pricey considering that I live in a shithole forgotten by god. That's why I was asking if this chink SD2SNES is worth it or not.