/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Deadline: July 14th 23:00 GMT (extended one week)
-All details and a FAQ can be found in the following pastebin to help get you started
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

=== NEWS ===

[07-4] Alien Bastards! a new Doomer Boards mapset inspired by Alien Carnage
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1541/dbp13-alien

[07-03] Quake Speedmapping Pack 198: 768 ^ 2
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61748

[07-01] Anon updates 'Demon CounterStrike' to fix Rocket Launcher spawns
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5701806/#5702668

[06-29] Anon map release: TESTINGGROUND.wad
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehkggu5q3p4n8jp/TESTINGGROUND.wad?dl=0

[6-28] Masters of Doom to get a dramatized TV adaptation
https://www.pcgamer.com/james-and-dave-franco-are-producing-a-television-show-based-on-masters-of-doom/

[6-27] 'Vanilla Doom Plus', a monster variant randomizer balanced closer to vanilla
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106432-vanilla-doom-plusmonster-randomizer-updated-june-25th40-added-monsters/

[6-22] /vr/ is hosting it's own Quake mapping project! GET IN HERE FAGETS

[6-20] Copper for Quake released: a vanilla+ mod (includes optional map pack)
http://lunaran.com/copper/index.html

[6-17] Coffee Quake released, 76 speedmaps in 4 episodes
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_p8iwL2Vw&feature=youtu.be

[6-15] Guncaster 3.3 released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcUHPmb76do

[6-15] Doom the Golden Souls 3 announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rivZEQ2mNFg

[6-15] MetaDoom player feedback survey
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfRZWx1kN9FpAShfjXcmS9Co9MNTYWLwD-hupYfhAduD5334g/viewform

[6-13] FUNC- Sm197 Six Textures released
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61741

=== PREVIOUS ===

https://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

== PROTIP ==

To submit news, please reply and anchor it to this post.

>>5716134
I still think it would be cool if the demons home realm is revealed to be a region within Otherspace and the techno-angels are from the other side of the galaxy.

>>5716134
What if there were a version of Guncaster for Build Engine games Duke 3D, SW, Blood, and Witchraven 1 complete with the option to choose the sex of the character?

The music in Alien Bastards is really catchy
apparently the first few levels feature tracks from some obscure galaga clone named Alien Sky

>>5716176

>>5716176
The floor and ceiling look like stuff from Duke Nukem 3D.

>>5716181
the mapset features lots of textures and sprites from duke

you even got tank arachnotrons

>>5716180
>666kb
Nice.

Khorus.
Play this anons. Highly reccomended.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/j-l/khorus
Turn off the music if you're not hippie or something

>>5716280
Also, I'm diggin into Russians designed levels. I already played some of Memfis' but I want more. Some suggestions lads?

>>5716280
BRING IT VATNIKS

>>5716196
>you even got tank arachnotrons
That's doomazing.

HEY YOU
YES
U
SHOW ME YOUR HUH MAPPING
YOU ARE MAPPING FOR HUH RIGHT

You got more than a week to open up TrenchBroom and start your own map, don't be discouraged, I have a map from a fellow newbie that did it in like two days sitting snugly in my hard drive, you can do it soldier.

>but anon how can I go from 0 to wizard in just one week.
Read the FAQ my friend:
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

need help? remember that func_msgb and the quake mapping discord are full of experienced people willing to lend you a hand.
http://www.celephais.net/board/

>I'm not gonna make it
It ain't over yet, So don't give up.

ur mom gay lol

>>5716346
dilate

>>5716346
>>5716345
Ouch.

>>5716345
Fucking lighting, how does it work? Are all lights spotlights? I am just trying to make wall panels, but they don't work as intended.

>>5716345
>YOU ARE MAPPING FOR HUH RIGHT
No, I'm not.
But I wish

>>5716345
8 days remain. HUH?!

>>5716352
the best time to plant a tree was ten years ago
the next best time is TODAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gONePWocbqA

>>5716351
pic related

>>5716361
Yeah I know that dumb fucking asshole chart and it's absolutely useless because apart from delay 4 everything looks the very fucking same

>>5716134
https://youtu.be/c6_Nv41zSiE

It's out lads

Does anybody still have TNT2 Devilution demo? The one with dead IoS on first level. I need this to calm down while waiting for full megawad.

>>5716284
Lainos' stuff. Comatose and 5till L1 Complex are cacoward winners. I also remember loving his Object 32-34 trilogy long ago.

>>5716284
Seconding Lainos, his maps are top tier.
I think Epic 2 was made by a Russian too, Alexander S. 'Eternal'

>>5716371
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/47721-tnt-2-devilution-dec-15th-deadline-approaching-submit-your-maps/

>>5716384
That thread is locked, is that .wad ever going to be finished? I think I played that demo years and years ago, it was cool, but short.

>>5716393
Demo links are there at least. Also there's a new thread. Maybe more than one? I dunno. That thing's been in development hell since at least 2011.

>>5716376
How could I forget about Epic 2, while having it in my super essential wads collection. Alexander S. 'Eternal' is Russian, yes. His other works are worth checking out too, like 32 Inch Nails and Hell Ground.

>>5716384
Link to demo 1 in this thread is dead.

marswar is pretty good

>>5716371
>>5716376
Thanks. Keep this going, I want to compile a list.

>latest Devilution thread
MY GOD! What a nightmare.

>>5716393
It's like 1-2 maps away from being finished, here's fresh thread: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882-tnt-2-devilution-clean-thread-new-updates/

>>5716371
This one?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/19j9koqk2zzrt98/tnt2_demo_11c.zip?dl=0

>>5716405

>>5716409
Shadowman is a cool Russian mapper too, his notable works are Cheogsh and Hellfire.

>>5716431

>>5716427
Thank. You. So. Much! I can now wait for full thing in peace.

>>5716436
Found it in a 2014 thread. So many threads. Holy crap.
Have fun.

>>5716280
Play also this. https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/g-i/hurt
It's huge ad beautiful/spoiler]

Redpill me on Ancient Aliens. What should I expect from it? Is it OK to play it with Final Doomer on my first run?

>>5716458
>What should I expect from it?
Death if you're not for slaughter. Glory if you finish and sometimes some lulz
You must love X-Files to enjoy it more

>>5716458
Expect smoking some mystical pipe and then going completely bonkers coocoo.

>>5716458
>Final Doomer
It's okay as long you like it. If remember right, it's a sprite replacement mod or isn't?

What's the best way to play DOOM 64? EX or just emulate it?

>>5716467

>>5716470
New guns with altered mechanics. Revamped vanilla, pretty much. Slightly OP

>>5716471
>the best way
There is no best way to play, but if you're purist you should stick with the emulation.

>>5716474
I don't like/understand this kind of mods.
But this is my taste.

>>5716471
Emulate if you want a slog. EX if you want fun.

>>5716470
New sprites, weapon tweaks (the shotgun in Plutonia fires pellets in a cross shape instead of a line, for example). Six kits, makes named WADs stand out more

>>5716421
Yes, I do.
Link or info?

>>5716480
Not out yet. Devilution. We've been talking about it here.

>>5716364
you might be retarded, unfortunately, or you don't understand how light works

>>5716496
yeah turns out I am retarded, I didn't know mangle makes spotlights

I must admit, I unironically love Alien Trilogy for the PS1, a typical mid-90's "Doom clone" FPS game (not sure if they used the Doom engine, the Duke Nukem 3D engine, or something else)

Alien Trilogy was basically an official version of the Aliens TC WAD but it also had levels based on locations from Alien 3 and the first Alien.

The weird part is that the stages went from the colony in Aliens to the prison from Alien 3 and the final stage was the wrecked Engineer ship from the first Alien (the game calls it "The Bone Ship" since Prometheus wasn't out yet)

It's fun and you get to fight both Xenomorphs and mercenaries from the Weyland-Yutani company

It's a fun game, but from what I can tell, it's one of the more overlooked retro FPS games.

>>5716473
GOD MODE
GOD DO ME
STOP STOP STOP I WANNA GET OFF! NO NOT LIKE THAT! AAAAAAAA!

>>5716505
how was the saturn port?

>>5716505
I wanted it to be more Doom than spook. Something like that. Couldn't get into it at all.

Maybe I'm a crazy man but I seem to have more fun playing competition/community mapsets more than anything. Maybe it's the gimmicks running through the levels but I always get a kick out of shit like 10 Sectors or Congestion.

>>5716530
Speedrun that stuff. Maximum competition!

>>5716429
This is a Bomberman game. No, seriously.

>>5716345
I've actually finished it yesterday
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qqp597559ca2qyp/4HUH.zip/file
Here's the map, it's already been playtested by 2 people, but more feedback is appreciated. It probably shows, but this is my first map and some things that might have escaped me

>>5716553
atta boy

>>5716553
Died all the time, but I am not a big fan of slaughtermaps anyways. But I really liked the holy water dispenser.

>some guy in here a few days ago asking what the shadow cloak in Cryptic Passage of Blood is
>Civvie has a whole section explaining that it does nothing and everything on his new Cryptic Passage video, posted just a few hours ago
Civvie fucking browses these threads. This is proof.

>>5716580
he did mention it on another video though
so probably not
but just in case
QUAKE WHEN YOU DUMB FUCK

>>5716553
U DID IT. Your reward is Andrew Hulshult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_wiaVl1i9Q

>>5716553
>>5716578
and btw, I could almost comfortably camp behind the church door in the initial fight

>>5716134

What are the best Doom mods?

>>5716553
Congrats on your first map, even though it wasn't very fun to play through.

Can anyone recommend me some Quake maps that take place outdoors? Like during the daytime? For some reason I seem to enjoy these the best, especially if they're very open.

Any ideas?

>>5716580
Of course he does. Lurking in the shadows.

>>5716593
Read the post you pinged, motherhonker

>>5716418
>only one map left
>yet another TNT style megawad
Oh boy, I can't wait you guys! TNTR felt little like the original TNT, but it was great on all its own merits, if TNT2 is good either as a TNT tribute, or fails at that but is still good, I'm still winning.

Man, duke3d really loves to fuck you over with unreactable environment damage.

>>5716590
I didn't notice that, thanks for the heads up. I'll leave it in though, for the players that are sick of my shit

>>5716653
hold on to any jetpacks you find, they’re probably the best inventory item, I used one to traverse half of a level because I didn’t know how to advance

Tell me about the old guard of the more realistic side of the genre
how does it hold up?

Hideous Destructor makes me want to play more tacticool games but I don't think my shitty laptop with a gt940MX can pull the weight of more modern operator stuff like Arma 3

>>5716673
Rainbow Six is a planning game. Run and gun will get you killed quick. Route planning simulator.

>>5716580
He's mentioned several times he's browses /vr/

>>5716673
>playing this at a cousin's house when I was 10
>put all my guys in heavy armor and give everyone machineguns or something
>5 minutes into the mission some random guy walks around a corner with an smg and hoses down my whole death squad in about 1 second
Good times

That one time when Doomguy was some kind of weird future spetznaz man.

>>5716580
I remember him explicitly stating that it was really useful in the first video on Blood, did it break in Cryptic Passage?

>>5716593
IDCLEVer Starter.

>>5716743
Two different items. One turns you invisible and the other does nothing.

SCREENSHOT SATURDAY HAAAAAAA

Is Redemption of the Slain worth playing? Is it as good as No Rest for the Living? I heard it's only compatible with Bru'l Doom.

>>5716345
Do you guys use boxes to sort of plan out your map and then just add detail later? I'm kinda focusing on making something small and fun but I'm spending so much time on worrying about how UGLY everything looks that I'm not actually getting anything done.

>>5716806

>>5716806

>>5716806
You really should have specified the point of screenshot saturday.

>>5716851
I do everything in rough shapes and plan out the player route and the monsters, then I add detail

>>5716806
>>5716886
WOOP WOOP
SCREENSHOT SATURDAY IS FOR SHOWCASING WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON, NOT WHAT YOU'RE PLAYING
WOOP WOOP

>>5716510
Never played the Saturn port. I was a Playstation kid back in the day.

>>5716513
I dunno, I liked it because I enjoyed the PS1 port of Doom unironically, which was more spooky than the original PC version.

Yeah, PS1 Doom and Final Doom were a big part of my childhood back then.

I didn't play the PC versions of Doom until I was in my freshman year of high school (it was playing the Ultimate Doom Trilogy for Windows XP, IIRC)

>>5716887
Okay, that sounds a lot more manageable than what I've been doing, so I'll do that. Thanks anon.

Why skillsaw let the third episode of AA to be half-made by hacks?

>>5716874
DAMN

DOOM mods are awesome but I'm a retard and I don't know how to set up any doom launchers on Linux.

>>5716913
google how to compile gzdoom

>>5716913
>>5716921
No need. I gotchu famicon. Here's a quick and dirty bash script that I use for launching my stuff.

This one assumes that you have the doom_complete.pk3 WAD smoosh
https://pastebin.com/kQVs46z3

This one assumes you do not have it
https://pastebin.com/tZPWpvXt

I pair it with a simple alias that prints my collection of WADs like in pic related. Of course, for this to work you need to tell gzdoom.ini the path to where you keep your stuff.

>>5716940
and voila, we're in with the selected WAD, the desired gameplay and cosmetic stuff loaded, EZ PZ

>>5716952
what's wrong with that caco's eye

>>5716957
That's how he looks when the sprite is rotated looking to the side

>>5716957
>>5716960
Huh, wait a sec you're right
I guess it's an Ancient Ayys thing (?)

>>5716806

>>5716971
>>5716960
>>5716957
It's not. I shall investigate which of my loaded mods is doing that

>>5716974

>>5716979
>>5716974
You monster

Besides that Mario themed WAD, any other ones that did the Plutonia cube trick of giving stuff to the player if he walks beneath it?

>>5716979
>>5716981
Needs more barons

>>5716976
>>5716971
>>5716960
>>5716957
>>5716952
Aha! I found the culprit. My brightmaps_plus depends on d2_sprite_fix being loaded. And since my script tells d2_sprite_fix not to load for any WADs with custom sprites, the brightmaps for the cacos are slightly fucked up. Interesting.

It's just a matter of adding an exception to the script then - if the sprite fix ain't loaded, then load the standard brightmaps, not the brightmaps_plus.

Thank you for noticing anon, gonna fix it real quick.

>>5717003
*pats caco*
You're all fixed up now buddy

>>5717013
Here's something for proper head pats. Don't do it.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60054

>>5716952
>>5716957
>>5716960
>>5717003
I had the same thing happen before.

WHAT ARE THE BEST FUCKING WADS FOR DOOM THAT ARE FUCKING MUST PLAYS

JUST FINISHED EVETERNITY AND IT WAS FUCKING GREAT

>>5717051
Pirate Doom

>>5717051
the rebirth was good

>>5717041
And you got it fixed?

>>5717051
Ancient AyyLmaos

>>5717051
Back To Saturn X
UAC Ultra

>>5716701
yikes

LOOK MOM IM LEVEL DESIGNING

>>5716701
Genuine cringe

>>5717098
Is it from Disjunction? Pretty good level and pretty good wad, as i remember.

>>5716901
Not mine. Just found on DW.

why doombabs pretend their game is hard? Blood, Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukem offer challenge in their vanilla forms but if you ask a doomfag what's so hard about his game he will mention fan made wads and retroactively apply their traits to vanilla doom

>>5717142
fuck off

Anyone here like OP weapons? Because I got one here. Only tested on GZDoom.
https://file.io/uvspch
Use it on a really unfair slaughter map to even the odds a little.

>>5717153
it gives me the 404 error

>>5716901
Well, maybe the image should specify that.

>>5716806
Started work on the knightmare Cybermancer, he still needs a proper sprite set but his attacks are done, save for some tweaking and balancing as Yholl went overboard and made this guy a fucking menace.

>>5717158
Usually the person who posts it mentions what you're working on. Except in this case some dumb rookie jumped the gun and posted it right as I was getting ready to do it myself.
Besides, screenshot saturday is a trend amongst indie devs and shit.

>>5717156
Well shit
Try this http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=51950337673085968666

>>5717123
Yes. It has some good parts but some of the fights get really retarded with the enemy spam. Like there's just a million hell knights, imps, & barons down there, but you're on a raised elevation where they can't get to you. So you have a choice of either bumrushing past them risking death, or camping for a million years picking them off. How does someone playtest that and think "Yep, this is fun"?

>>5717161
i works now

>screenshot saturday is a trend amongst indie devs
How did that come about? And why saturday in particular?

>>5717169
meant for >>5717160

>>5717169
>>5717170
Fucked if I know, it's just a thing that popped up, if I were to hazard a guess I'd say Saturday is a good way to end the week and cover anything that was made. Plus the alliteration sounds nice.

>>5716580
And?

>>5717159
We need to get you an edited MAP01 where there's a chaingunner waaaaay off in the distance

>>5717161
Ok so i tried it and i gotta say it has so many function i think i might just add the skullthrottle
music function from trailblazer to this gun just to add more hilarity into this.

well done, lad
The rocket kick made me laugh holy shit.

Are you a bad enough dude to pistol start Plutonia in Ultra Violence with -fast enabled?

>>5717198
I'm glad it has appeal, makes me want to make more cool/weird weapon mods

>>5717098
"level design"

>pic related
level design

>>5717217
I barely got through PSUV without -fast, don’t make me do it again

>>5717217
Nope

>>5716874
What this?

>>5717219
Well let me give you that small edit i did to add a song there, the credits and the decorate should tell you what it does, hopefully it can help you!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11D0USQHWNfAYfd-q4zZ-8z7gMtWnCr5a/view?usp=sharing

>>5717241
Neither am I

>run into a room like a retard
>uh oh there are a lot of enemies lmao
>run back into the entryway that I came into the room from
>shoot at things in the room for about 5 minutes from the safety of the doorway
ogDoom's "combat" is a joke.

>>5717217
I'm not ready, decino

>>5717242
It's WIP Ashes 2063 ep2 stuff.

>>5717281
Don't play like a scared baby?

is Fresh Supply worth buying if I already have BloodGDX?

>>5717312
Why wouldn't I when the game rewards me the most for playing that way?

>>5717332
Trading in fun for constant 100% health doesn't sound very rewarding.

>>5717337
>playing inefficiently is the only way to have fun
#1 sign that a game is poorly designed.

>>5717337
He's not posting in good faith you ding dong, he's playing like you a damn fiddle.

>>5717342
Why do mappers even place medkits and armor when scared baby mode is the best option, right?
You're an obvious troll, my dude.

>>5717345
Benefit of the doubt. You never know until the second or third post.

>>5717332
When I map I relish giving players maximal freedom to traverse the level as they wish.
Then door cowards like you abuse that freedom and complain that they're making the game unfun for themselves.
So whenever I set up a forced ambush encounter that seals you into an arena, It gives me great satisfaction knowing it'll piss off nerds like you.

>>5717349
Yeah but the thing is I wish the game had more locked arenas because they force me to get good at the game. Sorry you lose either way my friend.

>>5717227
"level design"
>romero

>>5717352
So play Stronghold.

Has anyone ever made any Doom 2016 inspired TC?

>>5717073
Yeah, I just changed a few things with my autoloads.
Turns out also that a new set of brightmaps I was using conflicted with the spritefixed ones, so I cut a few from those (they were basically the same anyway).

>>5717142
Unless you're maybe talking Plutonia on Nightmare! difficulty, nobody anywhere is fucking saying that, 99% of people who have played the original Doom episodes will tell you that they're not very hard.

>>5717397
theres like four i think, metadoom, argent, d4d, probably some other shit.

>>5717474
Inb4
>GRRRR THOSE DON'T COME WITH ARENA MAPS

>>5717331
No.

Haven't been here in years, felt like playing some cooperative online. Did Zandorum get more popular, less, or stay the same?

>>5717478
honestly i think porting doom 3 and 2016 into gzdoom and zandronum is just wasting potential that could be used to make actually interesting wads. I don't really like any of the doom 2016 gameplay mods but i like doom 2016, it doesn't translate well into 2d and just ends up being unsatisfying and janky.

>>5717474
I mean like mapsets

>>5717514
i think it's still megaman/complex stuff
unless you want to start a new server or something

>>5717515
>I don't really like any of the doom 2016 gameplay mods but i like doom 2016, it doesn't translate well into 2d and just ends up being unsatisfying and janky.
This, thank you.

>>5717515
a problem i have with 2016 mods for doom 1 is when they translate the balance of that game and not just some of the features
like the rocket launcher having a different firing speed

>>5717534
I don't mind the complex stuff, but I remember having a blast on the zBlood server. Shame it's empty.

>>5716806
roadtrip

>>5717521
I remember someone posting about a mapset or maps made for the doom 2016 gameplay mods, trailer showed the dude doing gauss cannon rocket jumps. I can't find it, but it was on moddb, will continue looking.

Just curious: do you anons have experience mapping for other retro games besides id-build engine games?

Such as:
Thief
Unreal
Ghost Recon/R6/SWAT
Morrowind
Deus Ex

>>5717585
I've played around a bit with Morrowind here and there, mostly for small stuff I just really wanted, or fixing one or two things which bothered me with someone else's mod.

>>5717397
Not any TC since recreating the levels would be nigh impossible, but for weapon/enemy mods you have D4D, D4T and its addons, Argent, Zion, etc.
Be warned, the only ones that are anywhere near “accurate” and “fun to play” are the first three I mentioned, and D4D is quite bloated.

>>5716806

>>5717606

>>5717553
You can play multiplayer on actual Blood now.

>>5717626
Wait really? Like just Co-op? Where and how?

>>5717714
bloodgdx source port.

>tfw /arena/ is dead
>remember the time where some qc stuff was leaked and turned out true

>>5717714
>>5717727
There's also multiplayer in the remaster by Nightdive Studios, though I heard it's buggy.

What's the one game you'd recommend to someone entirely new to retro fps?

>>5717776
besides doom?

>>5717776
Retro FPS 101: Doom
Wants to go a bit deeper down the roots: Wolf 3D

>>5716345
can I scale these entities?

>>5717792
no idea
the wizards might know

>>5717787
Heretic because it's basically Doom but art direction isn't all over the place.

>>5717804
meant for >>5717776

>>5717804
well Corvus is an elf
and elves are for ____

>>5717792
you guys are alright, just don't go to the dam tomorrow

>>5717809
Bully.

Hey, HUH project lead. You been reading up on your Quake mapping skills? Making a hub map might not be the easiest thing in the world.

>>5717873
I may have underestimated the amount of work that might take yes
I figured the only thing I would have to do is connect the end portals of each level to the start map so you go back there every time you finish a level, as I understand the game checks for the start map itself and then strips your weapons accordingly.

However one of the experienced Quake mappers approached me with a progs file that forces shotgun start at the start of each level, so we could do use that while packaging all the levels into a single episode.

We may have to put that to vote once all maps are submitted.

>>5716806
I have no idea what I'm doing in terms of map flow, but decorating is fun.

>>5717902
>as I understand the game checks for the start map itself and then strips your weapons accordingly.
What it actually checks for is whether the player has collected a rune. You can actually force shotgun start by giving the player a rune in the start map and using a separate part of the map to redirect to itself with another level trigger; it'll clear the player's inventory nicely, but unfortunately players sometimes get a little confused by the repeated rune pickup if they're not familiar with the setup. QUMP used this setup, actually.

>>5717281
Once you get more confident at the game and learn how to better manipulate enemies, you'll kick that habit. I find that in a lot of areas it's better to run forward to a better hiding spot inside, and in the process of doing that you'll cause half the enemies in a room to infight, making it easier to pick off the ones that aren't since you have less focus on yourself.

>>5717281
Once you get more confident at the game and learn how to better manipulate enemies, you'll kick that habit. I find that in a lot of areas it's better to run forward to a better hiding spot inside, and in the process of doing that you'll cause half the enemies in a room to infight, making it easier to pick off the ones that aren't since you have less focus on yourself.

>>5717937
>>5717940
You gotta organize your images better dude.

>>5717948
I mean he wasnt that far off, since we got a gote companion mod for a while now

>>5717948
I usually do, sorry anon.

>>5717936
in any case whether or not we do a hub map the progs will come in handy to make that cleaner

>>5717953
>>5717954
> thr gote
> not the bully lizard

>>5716134
How does MGQ3D work? Do you just dump the entire .zip file into your GZDoom folder?

>tfw Blood's best levels are fantastically intricate and complex and the game pushes its engine to the absolute limit but the enemies aren't very interesting

>>5718016
Better call the id hotline

I'm sure this question has been asked a million times but exactly how did Bobby Prince avoid getting sued out of existence for Doom 1/2's soundtrack?

>>5717714
Do you want to play?

>>5718107
I assume he coasted entirely on the good will from the artists and/or they didn't care because it was doots in a videogame

>>5718107
He was a lawyer so maybe he knew how much you can get away with before it infringes on copyright.

>>5717962
She’s a companion too.

Will it ever be topped?

Should I use cosmetic Duke

Fuck Quake Live's community

>>5718126
You don't like Clan Arena?

>>5718141
*instagib

>>5718118
Ancient Ayys is better

>>5718118
Depends on what you like, buuuuuuuuddy

>>5718141
Good thing there's years and years worth of Q3 community content that nobody plays anymore

>>5717227
Fucking based. These poor anons think their sorry excuse of "levels" become unconditionally good with sprawls and shitton monsters.

TNT2 Devilution is going to suck bad

>>5718259
What's the point of remaking TNT? Any random oldschool wad do the same. TNT has no style, it's a collection of maps.

>>5718171
I’d be willing to do multiplayer of any game that has it with people from here, but it’s even harder than starting mapping projects

>>5718262

>had first dream about a game in years
>it’s about a doom mod
I was dreaming of samsara, but made with the budget of an AAA studio, so basically quake champions but you know, not a complete mess

>>5718268
Return to the source.

>>5718268
That would be the greatest game, but getting all the people who own the rights to each series to cooperate would be an absolute, costly, time wasting nightmare. Think of how many notable retro shooters there are. Now imagine all the ones that flew under the radar. Now imagine if this was expanded to FPS games released this century. Think of all the generic shovelware shooter games released in the mid-2000s. The way I see it, you’d have to add a small amount of popular characters to the base game, and then either release new characters over time, or allow extensive mod support so fans can add in whoever they please.

>>5718275
go the smash brothers route and only add in famous (relative to fps) characters and then hold ballots to see what the people want

or just asset flip ripped models and make a bootleg gmod gamemode

>>5718268
Stephan Weyte is getting up there in years. Get him to do a ton of Caleb lines before it's too late! It can still happen!
Nah. Sounds like a nice dream though.

>>5718279
Getting all of the rights holders to cooperate would be a hideous ordeal.

>>5717051
I'm personally a fan of Eternal Doom

>>5718304
>77
oh no
At least I recall him saying somewhere that he’d be up for reprising his role. After everything Duke has been through, I’m not so sure Jon is very enthusiastic about being him anymore.

>>5718337
except Jon loved the shit out of DNF when it came out. still does I believe.

>>5717051
This type of posts are stupid imho

>>5718259
I thought Devilution got rebooted into Revilution, which was released in 2017. Or did another "Devilution" project get started?

>>5718118
Once SUPPLICE comes out

>>5718262
>TNT has no style
I disagree with you there heavily. TNT is pure techbase goodness for like the first two-thirds of the game. I haven't played it in like half a yaer but I remember it having a lot of cramped, dark areas and nonlinear mazes. It's certainly different than DOOM2 or Plutonia, which have their own styles.

>>5718389
>Or did another "Devilution" project get started?
No. The 2 stands for TNT 2.
In fact the story continues to where it's left.
But it sucks anyway

>>5718393
>techbase goodness
lmao
The original TNT is pure shit in his architecture and style.
If you want what you described, just play TNT Revilution.

This TNTmeme just gone too far

>>5718389
Revilution was a split from TNT2, not a reboot.

>>5718118
In terms of what? Gameplay? Style?
I think that there are other megawads that plays better.

>>5718016
have sex

>>5718391
I agree.

>>5718410
TNT TNT TNT TNT TNT TNT TNT TNT
Halderman died. Too bad. He should've been part of it.

>>5718427
Yeah.

>>5718417
Even if it did, it's "partner" would be guilty of beastiality.

>>5718391
>“But Mek!” I hear you ask, “What about Supplice/Vela Pax/[insert project here]??!?” Aw shucks, you remembered! Well I think this post has drug on a bit too long now, so I’m not going to go into details on those projects. What I’ll do instead is make proper posts for them in the future (I swear I’ll try to make time for it). The quick answer to that question is that everything is still in progress in one form or another. It’s a bit surreal to think how long I’ve been working on those things…or not working on them, depending on your view. So hey, look forward to that I guess!
Pretty dead.

>>5718118
Eviternity is great, the texture set is absolutely phenomenal. I just think, besides the cyberbaron (i like the idea of having both a rocket launcher and chaingun on it), a couple of its new monsters are a bit boring in concept compared to what Valiant did.

>>5718391
I'd honestly expect BTSX E3 to come out before that one does.

>>5718324
I like Eternal Doom too, but its very much an acquired taste kind of level set. Not everyone enjoys hexen-esque switch hunts.

Shambler's List.

>>5718446
>last screenshot post 10 days ago
>dead

>>5718450
Sure

>>5718454
Shambler is pissed.

>>5718446
There was an update late last month.
A DM map. Great.

>>5718457
Happy to see that there's some update for Supplice.

>>5718460
Play DM.

>>5718465
Nah dude.

>playing through the 100 Greatest WADs list
>H2H-XMas
I'm kind of confused at why this made it. The maps are practically spam with some really fucking dick moves (e.g. MAP07 having a space you can drop down to where you're just boxed in by barrels and have to kill yourself), and after the first couple levels it doesn't even really resemble anything winter-y. Did it just make the list for historical significance or somesuch, being one of the first megawads with a theme?

>>5718465
>picks the SSG
>everyone just spamming plasma
DM is a mistake in my opinion. It's pretty boring to play, even in LAN.
Coop is much better. Plus in LAN.
I play it with my girlfriend

my god the 2016 mancubus looks like shit lmao why'd they give this a pass

Trying to compile in QuakeC (I just want to change damage output of some weapons for a mod). What's the best QuakeC compiler for Windows 10 64-bit computer?

Be honest with me. Do I need to learn QuakeC to make mods for Quake? Beyond just making new maps?

>>5718457
Still just deathmatch maps, though.

>>5717564
god damn that coloring is terrible

>>5718468
I believe it was mainly designed with deathmatch in mind with single player just slapped on. And yeah, it probably was included for being the very first community megawad to release.

>>5718512
You know I probably should have considered the deathmatch possibility. I feel kind of bad for being so negative if that was the case.
I feel like it would be good for me to explore DM maps and not just play single player, but Doomseeker doesn't seem to really play unmodded DM anymore. I really enjoyed CTF back when people played that, but I feel like versus has died off in general unless you like MM8BDM which I kind of still do gameplay-wise but don't play it anymore because of its community, which is a shame.

wtf is this thing from the last thread¿?
does it even exist
somebody give a link please

>>5717142
Never once have I seen a doom fan claim that the iwads are hard because of pwads. Not sure where you're getting this rubbish from.

>the official name for a Spore in Quake's source files is "tarbaby"
lol ok

>>5718483
thats the point its supposed to be a gross shitty looking monster

Is Quake harder to mod than Doom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vy_WohN_ic
best theme standing by

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET3HgFwRIO0

>>5718531
Shit, my long as hell trigger phrase! I've been a sleeper agent this whole time. Now I have to go do the thing. Can't control it.
Oh, you satanists. You got me!

>>5718118
NRFTL, Sigil are miles better than your overrated mapset, Dragonfly.

>>5716134

>>5718598
Why DOOM doesn't receive that love from artists

>>5718515
It's photoshopped. Not real.
Or never released

>>5718598

>>5718526
>>5718497
>>5718484
Can anyone here respond?

>>5718623
Quake is harder because is more complex and modern.
If you don't have a clue about thinking clever, like programming and problem solving, it's better that you stick with DOOM mapping.

>>5718625
I've never mapped for Doom or Quake, but I just spend a few hours experimenting with Quake. I now have a version of progs.dat with all the movement and weapon damage physics changed, 2D images like the main menu are different, and I made a basic map.

So I think I get how to change everything except for the models. I want to change what the main player looks like and some enemies but I can't find a free model editor yet. QuakeC actually seemed simple enough to learn even though I just skimmed through it for things that obviously signified health, running speed, or damage and changed the numbers around. From what I can tell, I change the quakec files and compile it for basic gameplay changes, change the gfx stuff for 2D image changing, make my own maps with Trenchbroom, and somehow (I am stuck here) change the .mdl files in prog with a model editor.

What do you mean about needing programming and problem solving though? What problems could I encounter?

>>5718629
>What problems could I encounter
Everything is a problem.
When you write code, every digit is a permutation in your coded reality. For what I see, you have a clue for what's going on, so, keep this way, and don't fall, or maybe, fall with no disgrace.

are you on drugs

>>5718632
So the problems will come up when I try to get deeper into editing the quakec files to make progs.dat then? On the mapping side Trenchbroom seems beautifully made. I guess there are problems with collision to watch out for in Trenchbroom and I read something about sky and water textures never touching. I'll play around with it some more then before I actually try to make a map.

>>5718643
Good luck, anon. I believe in your determination, here, on 4chan there are no people like you.

>>5718523
so you're saying the design is garbage on purpose
ok

The mega download failed on me now my transfer quota exceeded. Could someone give me a mirror to the quake1 file? thanks :)

>>5718650
Stop this shitpost please.

>>5718667
stop crying to me for literally no reason

>>5718667
the fuck do you expect me to do about it?

>>5716673
Rainbow six is not really realism in the fighting itself, it's a simulation of planning and execution. Anyway, Rainbow Six Raven Shield is the best in the series, it has the planning stage like the older titles, but now you can also give direct orders to your squad during the execution phase. The AI can spaz out sometimes, but overall, it's a very fun and challenging experience.

For alternative Tacticool recommendations
SWAT 3/4 are great, SWAT 3 having some of the best AI team mates i have seen in a videogame, and SWAT 4 nailing the atmosphere of raiding the apartment of a serial killer. SWAT 4 can spook you to the core, even if there is literally only 1 suspect in the entire map.
https://youtu.be/vPmrXozKbhQ

For a never title you might want to check out Door kickers, it's an indie game taking direct inspiration from the planning stage in the Rainbow Six games, and mixing it with some elements from SWAT. It's a 2D top down game, so don't worry about it not running well.

>>5718650
Hey, at least they changed it for Eternal. I didn’t think the D4 design was the worst, but the Oculus Rift version can fuck off.

>>5718683
oh no eternal's version works because they took the original one and put a spin to it. but its mostly the original design that does it for me. whereas the 2016 mancubus looks like a fucking ben 10 alien more than it does a demon, and it fucking boggles me hearing people liked it but >opinions

>>5718469
can i play with you_ __________

So is Blender the best model editor for Quake out there or is there one better designed for Quake I should be using? I'm new to any kind of graphical design.

>>5718718
make models in whatever editor you are proficient in, getting models into quake is another story, there are plugins for that but best option is probably using Noesis to convert your models

>>5718107
He told iD he would only give them the music if they took full responsibility for whatever happens, expecting that they'd get their tits sued off.
To his surprise, the guys didn't ever get sued into oblivion by record labels.

>>5718114
He denies this, he says there's really no clear rules on sampling, and he thought he could get in trouble for the material he did for Doom, hence why the previously mentioned agreement.
He thought they were nuts.

He did a few interviews a while back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMviJll6JZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1vNWT9Fbuw

>>5718728
Cool stuff.

>>5718726
Oh yeah I have Noesis. I'll keep that in mind.

>>5718728
Welp, I'm never ripping on him for plagiarism ever again. He simply gave them the tracks they wanted from him.

My guess is that iD felt safe doing it because of the shitload of (admittedly, Japanese) game devs who were getting away with doing it.

>>5717585
I tried to make maps for Deus Ex but UEd1 is so janky I gave up.

>>5716553
Why God why? Slaughter map. I died like 30 times.

First off. What the fuck is bounce-1? My compiler hasn't got that option. Will that fuck with my gameplay?

You should mention you have difficultys in the readme. I realised I was only on skill 1 after a few deaths which had 98 or so monsters then changed to Skill 2 and it had 128 then. Most map readmes will tell you what skills are supported.

In terms of the map, ok so, were the shamblers supposed to be stuck in place? If so that's fine. How do you do that? I want a vore to stay in place in a room but by the time you get to him he's wandering around. Also the shamblers die in 1 grenade hit. Also on purpose?

It's pretty funny all these monsters are chilling out having Sunday mass before you show up. I liked the modelled open doors. I liked the candlesticks. Cool detail. I liked the little holy water hand dip thingy.

I found the second secret with the mega health and the ammo. But where's the 3rd secret? Couldn't find it.

I liked the little trick monster closet area. One piece of feedback would be to put ammo in the monster closets. I picked wrong a few times and out comes 6 monsters and by the time you've cleared them out you have no ammo for the next door attempt. So stick some ammo in the back of the rooms in case you pick wrong.

The ending was pretty unique too reminds me of Goldeneyes first level end.

I enjoyed it for a first map. Also fuck you for using those blue slime things lol

>>5716580
>Says shadow cloak does nothing
>Literally has a 30 second segment in the same video where he picks it up, becomes invisible and just mows 30 enemies down and they can't even see him

Did I watch that right?

>>5717585
Unreal Tournament.

>>5718803
There are 2 cloaks. One is Cloak of Invis, which works
Other is Cloak of Shadow which does nothing.

Confession: I can't bring myself to play through the entirety of any Duke3D episode past the first one because the sight of the slimers crawling up the screen gives me pants-shitting terror

>>5718842
Maybe "The Adventures of Square" is more your style....

>>5718845
That game has shit crawling up the screen, doesn't it? Alien Trilogy has the same effect on me. The choking hands in Blood just make me laugh.

>>5718842
Are you serious? Lol. They do like 5 damage.

>>5718852
Nigga The Adventures of Square is like Doom for 7 year olds. Just play it. It's actually fun and no there's no shit crawling up the screen. It's bright and happy all the way through.

>>5718856
>>5718852
It's also fucking free just look it up and try it.

The speedmapping guys for Quake 1 either need to take a break or just stop entirely. The amount of cheap bullshit that's been popping up in recent releases is unbearable. STOP WITH THE FUCKING VORE SPAM AND POORLY TESTED GIMMICKS, YOU HACKS!

>>5716553
>download and open
>starting area is slaughter-shit
>into the trash it goes
These aren't fun. They are never fun.

>>5718875
Clearly you don't have the need..... The need for speed.

>>5718885
Ironically their gimmicks that they're shoving into these things bring the game down to a snail's pace. The Sandtrap map in the most recent 1 was fucking awful at this

>>5716553
>take 2 steps forward
>6000 enemies jump on me
lmao

>>5716596
Anyone out there able to do this? Anyone?

>>5718728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ND2hBfhGU
>tfw Bobby Prince made music for this, one of first game i played along with Doom

>>5717585
Been modding UT for about 15 years before I jumped ship to Doom. Most of what I made got lost forever because I was stupid enough to host my stuff on FileFront.

>>5718946
No local backups?

>>5718952
I was also stupid enough to not make backups, so whenever my disks died, everything was lost.

>>5718842
They're maybe intimidating in that sense, but they're super fragile and very weak. On top of that, there's the rare occasion where they'll outright just eat an enemy whole, something they can't do to you.

Once or twice I've actually had a stray Protozoid Slimer eat an entire Battle Lord, very anticlimactically, and very hilariously ending the battle just as it started.

>>5716673
oh also, if you want something similar to HD or Arma, try Operation Flashpoint, it was kind of a prototype for Arma, with the first Arma being made from recycled assets from the cancelled OF game. It was made by the exact same team.

>>5717217
https://youtu.be/a6TG4felebA

Well here he goes

>>5718946
>15 years
Well shit.
Any quick rundown on UT?

>>5719018
I'll only say one thing: if you want to make your mods work in multiplayer, you may as well quit modding UT altogether. You will have to study the most convoluted and twisted logic ever to do proper client/server netcoding. All about roles and reliability and simulation and authorities and proxies and whatever. I never bothered with that shit. Fucking Tim Sweeney and his tangled mess of an engine.

At least with ZScript I don't need to do anything for mods to work online.

>>5719027
but isnt multiplayer the whole point of UT?

How can I find out what counts as "kill" on my map? I justed posted two rotfish and a vore, but for some reason it tells me there are FIVE enemies during playtesting. Did I accidentally flag something as enemy or what gives?

>>5719032
Rotfish are bugged and count as two monsters each.

>>5719027
About DOOM, can you also give some tips for beginners on modding?

>>5719042
The best way to learn is to open up other mods and study how they work. That's how I've always done it. I started with ZScript by screwing around with the insides of gzdoom.pk3.

Obviously I have the advantage of already being a programmer, though. One should also familiarize themselves with languages like C and C++ (perhaps also Java).

>>5719035
Those little fuckers. Welp, guess I have to place a few tarbabies instead.

>>5719067
I have basic knowledge of Java.
>I started with ZScript by screwing around with the insides of gzdoom.pk3
That's a good idea... Never thought of doing that.
Thanks Marisa!

>>5718993
The absolute fucking madman.

>>5716135
A new beta release of La Tailor Girl;
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=390#p1110538

>>5718842
You can literally kick them your face before they can even do anything. They're pretty much harmless.

>>5719032
Rotfish accidentally count as two enemies for some reason, but infuriatingly, you actually can't technically get a full killcount on a level they're in.

Quakespasm doesn't fix this, which kind of annoys me.

>>5719112
That too, Duke Nukem is so fucking agile and limber that even if he's crouched and crawling through a vent, if a Protozoid Slimer starts making love with his face, he can actually kick himself in the mouth and kill it.

The man must be quadruple jointed.

>>5719074
Fucking Gallagher, clean up after yourself!

>>5718581
>Sigilfag is still going at it
Sad and quite pathetic.

>>5718414
Which ones?

>>5718581
>Dragonfly

>>5719135
I'm busy to compile a list...

>>5719138
>couldn't even come up with a single one
So you were bullshitting then? Good to know.

>>5719141
No, you don't understand. I'm busy doing something else, not compiling a list.
Go out, work, study, or anything in addition to play DOOM, you will feel better.

>>5718938
Amiga or MS-DOS?

>>5719150
>I'm busy doing something else
Like shitposting?

>>5719152
Learning ZScript.
Can you shut the fuck up, and go back to >>>/b/ or Reddit?

>>5719150
You're taking the time to reply to me though? Are you fucking retarded? Literally name 3 wads better than Eveternity you goddamn autist.

>>5719161
>You're taking the time to reply to me though?
Doesn't take so much time to reply to a huge faggot like you. I can also do it blind, because you have no clue about anything. I can still read and type to you.

Because you're so worthless...

>>5718938
Demostar would have looked and handled great on ECS Amigas and PPC Macs.

>>5719165
>still hasn't named a single wad better than Eveternity
Fucking lmao this is just sad

>>5719168
Your life is sad. Just give up, and seriously, and this.

>>5719172
*end this

>>5719172
>Continues to sperg out like an autist and STILL can't name a single wad better than Eveternity
Sad.

>>5719151
MS-DOS or Win95 i believe.

>>5719027
How can you use zscript online?

>>5719190
Set up GZdoom online game, it's hard but it's the only way to run zscript mods in multiplayer.

>>5717585
I did a bunch of mapping for Unreal back in the day, and played with Thief's editor a tad.

>>5716134
How does it feel to know that Redneck Rampage Rides again is arguably the most playable and least glitch-ridden of the sequels to Build Engine games?

>>5719228
How is the level design in the Redneck Rampage games? Are they on the same caliber as those in Duke3D or Blood?

>>5719229
A lot of people don't like RR's level design, and they're not entirely wrong, but I find it pretty charming. The games most obvious issue is that the keys are borderline invisible against the level geometry and textures.
Gameplay wise it's not bad. Some enemies seem cheap, but like any build game once you get used to their patterns and pacing you can fly through maps, crouch shooting, and tossing dynamite like any other build game (maybe a little less fluidly).
It has some issues, but overall is a pretty fun game. And it's textures are some of the best in in the build engine games.

>>5719228
Never played it. I'm slightly turned off by the white trash caricatures actually.
How's the gameplay like?

>>5719229
>>5719246
Should add that I never played the expansions.

>>5718483
"muh lore"

>>5719083
nice new titlepic

Okay, so when I make a secret door, do I have to make it a target to actually use the "not shootable" flag? I made some secret doors I haven't yet set the triggers for, and even though they have the not shootable flags set, I can still shoot them open.

oh no
its retarded

>>5719304
sure looks it, with the fog abuse and red/green coloring

>>5719304
>>5719325
???

>>5719304
wat is this

Colored light, how does it work? I am using the same stuff dumptruck uses in his tutorials, but when I add the "_color" property to any light, I don't get a color pick NOR does the light change its color even if I just enter the RGB or float numbers. Anybody knows what's wrong there? Something in Quakespasm?

>>5719181
seancon.wad is better now hush

has anyone here played shadowcaster?

>>5719478
Played a little a long time ago. I remember it looking good but not quite engaging. It felt like a simplified Ultima Underworld. I still want to get back to it someday though.

>>5719451
Something wrong on your end. Should work fine and look something like this in any TB release for the past year or so.

>>5719523
Well fuck me. I found out that when I use _light_color I get a color picker, but still no color in game.

>>5718602
Nanka Kurashiki

>>5718602
Not much topics to draw about

>>5719523
I found the reason. Apparently there was a spacey boi sneaking in behind it AND FUCKING COMPLETELY KILLED EVERYTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I SPENT AN HOUR FIGURING OUT WHAT WAS WRONG

>>5719083
I am so tired of seeing more and more pictures of that dopey-ass looking girl

>>5719569

>>5719581
A horny shut-in made this. I get it. I don't want to see more.

>>5718602
there's plenty of good doom fanart
the fuck you talking about?
don't forget the fangames and mods already

>>5719589

>>5719589
then filter it you dumb

>>5719304
I know, you shitposting constantly about evilternity and attacking other modders for attention is pretty retarded. Wonder why you haven't already killed yourself.

>>5719598
s'arais is a faggot but let's stick to railing him for things he's actually done, instead of making things up

>>5719589
Dude, everyone here is a horny shut-in.

>>5719614
You can outgrow it. Trust me.

>>5719581
ten million years on paint

>>5719617
Grow out of it. Shit.

>>5719617
>>5719620
Fuck that, I like being a pervert.

>>5719619
wew

>Lt Typhon
Given that Skelegand has a Shcok Troopers profile picture I feel like this was a lost opportunity to make a Big Mama mod

Any other mods for Chex Quest that change the enemy behavior? I know of The Ultimate Chex Quest and Chex Quest Pack but the former is bugged as hell and the other exclusively runs on Zandronum. Preferably I'd just like the enemies from TUCQ to be usable in the regular version of the game.

>>5716345
I'm having a problem here, seems that I hit some kind of limit, my brushes disappear and the enemies appear on the other side of the center of the map
I don't see my map reaching that limit 2bh
how can I extend that?

>>5719767
That shit can only extend up to 4096 map units from the center. Had the same problem. Set the dimensions of your final map and move the whole thing to the middle.

>>5719773
I thought there was a command for going up to 32768
I didn't even start the biggest area

>>5719778
Uhhh, protocol 999 or something? Can't remember.

>>5719767
>>5719773
oh boy

>>5719767
>>5719785
>>5719784
ok, it's -protocol 999 in the .exe parameters

>>5719619
10/10

Done with all the lighting, I think.... what a horrible, horrible work.... I'll take a dump now and go to bed.
Tomorrow I'll try to place enemies and weapons and upload a first *actually* playable version for feedback. I could have never made it until today.

>>5719767
>>5719773
>"only" 4096 units
stop trying to make ad-sepulcher. make better use of the vertical axis instead of sprawling horizontally and make sure you're not forgetting player scale and speed.