/vr/ - Retro Games

EWJ 1 and 2 are known for having various levels that are annoying. 2 has a bunch, but arguably, 1's bad levels are worse.

>>5716635

OP here, just noticed my error, guess I should read over before posting.

Puppy Love sucks but to be fair both EWJ have level selects in them. Unless you're going for a hard mode clear just skip the bad levels.

>>5716635
Special Edition improves these levels by giving you full health between rounds.

>DUDE JOKE MINI-BOSSES AND SHIT PUZZLES LMAO

>snot a problem
>not down the tubes

>>5716821

Eh I played the game yesterday and I only lost one life on down the tubes part 2, it's kind of fun to control the submarine thingy and the music and ambiance of that stage are great.

Puppies
shitty filler level that they put three times, for some reason

>>5716848
yeah desu it's probably a lot easier than i remember, but 10 year old me raged like crazy on that fucking level

>>5716848
>>5716856
when I read about how they intentionally made genesis games harder to make them "rental proof" I immediately thought of the water level in ej1

my family rented the game, and then got stopped dead in our tracks at this level. I guess it worked in that we didn't BEAT the game but as a result we never bought the game, which we probably would have if we hadn't gotten so mad at the submarine part

>>5716856
>>5716883
the only issue with the level is the hidden air

had the air not been hidden, it just would have been a rough, but not infamous, level

>>5716891

There's hidden air?

I just rushed through it.

>>5716903
Labyrinth Zone is actually kino once you stop being impatient.

Outrageous in SMW was outrageous.

>>5716916

I don't really think anything in the special world belongs here, as that is an area most players never even discovered.

>>5716920
It was still part of the game, and that level was utter shit.

>>5716926
It's actually the hardest level in SMW, but shit? Don't think so. It's pretty doable once you get good consistently, but it may perplex players the first couple (or many) tries.
SMW has no bad levels.

>>5716639
Snot a Problem is shit but it doesn't justify EWJ 2 having

>puppy bouncing levels
>blind salamander level
>isometric flying level
>puppy bouncing levels
>carnival level
>final boss is a race level
>fucking puppy bouncing levels

there is so much gimmick levels all the weapon types are basically worthless because you barely have any chance to use them. the only good gimmick stage is the dirt digging one because it doesn't compromise main game loop, gimmick thematically fits the series and has kickass soundtrack

>>5716635

>>5717016
>he didn't like blind cave salamander

shit taste

>>5716635
or this one

>>5717017
Marble Zone is patrician-tier.

>>5716635
or this piece of fucking garbage. deliberately difficult because of "anti-rental" policy trash with no defined gameplay (half platformer/half puzzle/half driving/half whatever), poor design choices, awful color palette and lagged, broken controls.
I've always wondered why the first two seconds of this level are presented in a nice color palette and then it changes to this faux-sunny yellow barf. When I was a kid, I thought it's a bug and the game's broken.

>>5716635
Doom II's The Chasm... If played as intended or go for 100%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUDF2K2TvjI

If this is a Speedrun, then it's not too hard if you're the master of tightropes.

>>5717032

It's representing the musical number in the movie which does the same thing.

https://youtu.be/0bGjlvukgHU?t=65

>>5717058
Ok so fuck me for not remembering that. So it's pretty much as impressive as poorly executed (on Sega).

>>5717016
I liked the salamander levels, fuck the puppy bouncing and the racing levels.

>>5716797
Philistine, fun as fuck level.

>>5717032
Eh, i never understood why Lion King gets toted as an extraordinarily hard game, 9 year old me beat it over a rental weekend, that level isn't even the worst.

man this level is an annoyance, at least there’s the rest for the game to look forward to after this crap.

>>5717176
>for
*of

>>5716635
EWJ is a terrible game though.

ITT: Any level in any game that requires actual platforming skill is bad

shit level in a decent game

>>5717043
What do people find so bad about it? I thought it was fun as hell(kakaka). Do people really have a hard time with the catwalks.

>>5716797
>I posted it again
This level of spamming the board is mental illness

Nino Ruins from Megaman Legends 2 - actually makes me sick to my stomach and never want to touch the game again just because of that level

>>5716635
Chapter 14 in Half-Life (Lambda Core). The platforming with the teleporters was an objectively bad idea. Chapter 6 (Blast Pit) with those stupid fucking tentacles wasn't so hot either. Some other chapters were also questionable.

Sewer levels in almost any game.

>>5717016
>Puppy Love
It wouldn't have been so bad if it were just a one-off thing; who knows why they thought anybody wanted to do it three fucking times.

>>5716797
That part is fucking awesome. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>5718025
>objectively

>>5716797
Worst part is if you land on "Do it over again" space and you have to waste time going through the whole board again.

Fuck Dice Palace. I want a run 'n gun game, not a board game simulator.

>>5717310
Obligatory "fuck you sjw, go dilate, put your trip back on Sevenleaf" etc. etc.

RENT FREE

>>5718072
fuck you sjw, go dilate

>>5717016
The Carnival level is fucking great though, git gud

The Milk Man Conspiracy in Psychonauts. Fucking tedious.

>>5717016
>Final boss is a race
I actually fucking love this concept and I wish it happened in games more. There is nothing more climactic than the intensity of a very close race with everything on the line.

>>5717984
>i played on anniversary collection or emulated like a fucking retard

>>5718095
eat shit loser

>>5717016
I wonder if they ran into some development issues, with the prototype having tons of different stuff including a lot of CG characters and the final game having only like two or three original music tracks and Puppy Love rehashed twice.

>>5718476
I don't remember this enemy, is it exclusive to the PSX version?

>>5717019
Is Aladdin and EWJ made by the same animation team? They look like the same game.

>>5718489
It's from a prototype version.

>>5718476
I don't know how involved Doug TenNapel was with development of the game itself, but it might be worth asking him since he is very active on twitter.

>>5716852
>>5717016
"For Pete's sake"

>>5718489
>>5718501
The April 24, 1995 version to be exact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxLs8g6n4jg
It's like something straight out of an "AND THEN THERE WERE PHOTOREALISTIC SKULLS EVERYWHERE" crappypasta.

>>5718538
I find it funny how for even as rough and entirely unfinished as the game was at that point, they sure as shit already had fucking Puppy Love almost entirely done already. They really, really loved that idea, probably thought it was hilarious as hell or something.

EWJ was sadly entirely style over substance.

So many bullshit gimmick levels. People just wanted a good run'n'gun but NOOOOO. Can't have that.

>>5716916
>>5717007
outrageous is hard but ok, tubular is shit. Not even that hard, just based on lots of trial and error, and also boring as hell. Nowadays I even get it on the first try, which I almost never can with outrageous because it's so tough. But outrageous is very satisfying in its difficulty, unlike that faggy tubular.

>>5718682
yeah it was also transphonic, heteronormative, fatphobic and uhh i don't know, stigmatizing mental illness or some shit with the dog levels

>>5718691
>not poochie ain't stupid
even the basic premise of the level was false

>>5718695
yeah aight, but that one was a secret level, literally who cares about those, didn't even get anything for completing all the secret levels, fucking disappointing as fuck

>>5718694
>classic beloved game
>author is now problematic because he's not signalling his virtues with enough enthusiasm
>stalk him and sabotage every single attempt for new works
>he uses the right to the old game
>hey that classic beloved game is actually deeply corrupt, offensive and outdated, burn it
every single time.

It's so hard to keep up with it all.

This Heather individual (the Heather came post-op) sometimes uses Alexander, Alex, Alexandra in a way that can't be explained away just by the status (usually people change names and sex only so many times)

>>5718694
Reminder that this is the average person who says "it didn't age well" about any given game.

>>5718072
go fuck yourself you absolute jackass, the fact that you call out a post just to attention whore about yourself proves that this is not the web site for you. just fucking leave.

>>5718072
all fucking tripfags must fucking hang

>>5716903

every sonic game has at least one horrible level

>>5718476

I read in an interview somewhere that Earthworm Jim 2 is mostly stuff that they didn't use for the first one reused

>>5716797
Is that the level with Dice Dance Days? I haven't played the game in a long while but I still listen to the ost now and then.

On topic, Wacky Workbench

>>5716903
Labyrinth is great. You just have ADHD.

>>5716635
All of the city levels in Doom 2.

>UGH, PUPPY LOVE
>no mention of Andy Asteroids at the end of EVERY FUCKING LEVEL from the first game
EWJ2 forces you through Puppy Love three times. EWJ forces you through Andy Asteroids 9+ times. Both suck, but at least EWJ2 only makes you do it three times.

>>5717019
This is only shit because of the garbage collision detection which causes you to fall through the floor half the time when you land on it

>>5718181
wrong

>>5719053

pretty much every sonic cd level is a fucking mess

>>5716903
>>5716923
>>5717017
>>5717019
>>5717043


>>5718027
Pic related would be my choice for this topic, and honestly the Midgar-length town that this is housed in sucks ass too and really ruins the already slow pace of Xenogears

>>5718490
Yes

>>5719292
And to add on, everyone I quoted at the top of my post I wanted to say that I agree with, just forgot to say that.

Everyone and their mother complains about Xen, but I still stand by Residue Processing being the worst level in Half-Life.

>>5717176
This level is actually great, theres a good balance of speed and slow sections and you can rack up loads of lives. Sure the boss can be challenging but only if you're a retard with 2 brain cells. Hell it has the best music in the game.

>>5719276

So your reflexes are just garbage then, that's even more embarrassing.

>>5718537
you bounce a single dog through entire level, not replaying the exact repetitive minigame over and over again

>>5718694
What a fag.

>>5717176
I always looked forward to the Casino Night zone when playing the game as a kid. It's fun just to fool around in.

>>5717176

this level is way more fun to look at than it is to play

>>5719107

Agreed. Andy Asteroids always felt like they didn't have enough levels so they padded it out with it

>>5719107
puppy love is not even a bad minigame, provided you're playing the original 16-bit versions, they fucked the controls on the 32bit ports and it's way slippery there, I also think it was more laggy.

>>5719405
shit you got me. I am so embarrassed. I'm sorry I don't love your shitty game anon you're gonna have to let it go.

>>5719459
Andy Asteroids didn't burn that "this is boring as shit" feeling into my mind like Puppy Love did, I guess.

>>5718328
forgot your trip, sevenleaf

>>5719883
git gud

>>5719107
Three stages of Puppy Love with at least three rounds each, so both are really about even.

>>5718538
>>5718552
>>5719107
>Puppy Breakout
Interesting that they at least were experimenting with different modes. Perhaps this explains the multiple instances. Maybe they originally had different sessions for each.

>>5716903
Labyrinth is a pleb filter. Here's a real bad level. The dread on Sonic's face shows what I feel as I realize I'm also being dropped into this shit

>>5720410
While I do wish the pinball weren't so janky, I'd pick Casinopolis over another Big the Cat playthrough any day

>>5716635
This isn't Down the Tubes.

>>5720502
>marble garden
>anything but whatever marbleh zone tried to do but actually done right

>>5717023
No, it's garbage. Pretending to like bad things does not make you special or interesting, Anon. Try having a personality instead of resorting to blanket contrarianism.

>>5716635
This likely doesn't count because it's both a JRPG and many people don't consider them fun, but Ice Cave in Final Fantasy 1.

It's long and full of strong enemies, which is fair and appropriate. The bullshit stems from several enemies, including the boss, spamming insta-death attacks. At this point you have no means of protecting yourself from them, other than weak natural magic defense and dumb luck.

>>5720502

fuck that level

>>5721547

those starfish things fuck me up everytime

>>5720502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBw8NDgjmts
Say what you will but that OST is fucking jammin

None of the Sonic stages should apply here

>>5718694
Looks like your typical socialist

>>5718476
I think most games in those days mostly suffered due to memory limitations.

level 6 in r-type

>>5717176
Casino Night was cool. The shitty fuckpile in Sonic 2 was Metropolis Zone

here you go op.

>>5720502
Absolutely this. Labyrinth Zone really isn't that bad and even Metropolis has positive points, Marble Garden is straight up anti-fun to extreme extents.

>the entirety of episode 3, Inferno from Doom I
>the water temple from ocarina of time
>every sewer areas in any resident evil

>>5719883
GTFO

>>5720743
Down the Tubes is great if you aren't a cock sucking faggot

>>5716635
>mess of random triggers to actually get to stuff
>moonside
>dept store
>monkey cave
this is where so many playthroughs have died

>>5720502
sonic 3's levels fall off so hard after Hydrocity, it's amazing

>>5722789
>>the water temple from ocarina of time
Jabu Jabu's arguably a worse level.

>bad music
>boring miniboss
>carting around Ruto
>half the dungeon is throwing boomerangs at tentacles

At least Barinade's ok

>>5723110
It's almost like the game was so obscure at times that they packaged it with a guide that told you exactly what to do.

>>5719319
Lambda Core has always been my least favorite. Residue Processing is a bit gimmicky but the platforming isn't annoying/difficult

>>5722789
>>5723124
desu the only thing that's that bad about the water temple is that you have to go into the menu to change boots

>>5722645
>Death Row
>shit level

I'd say you have shit taste, but I agree on most of the others.

>>5717017
Marble Zone is so short and easy it hurts. I can't imagine the brainlet who actually gets annoyed with it.

ITT: We list a bunch of stages from babby scotformers that actually require a little bit of skill

>>5723113
The game sort of tries to recover with Launch Base but by then it's way too late. At least & Knuckles has a pretty solid level selection, though most people don't like Sandopolis it still beats the shit out of like half the zones in 3.

>>5723385
>scotformer
Opinion discarded

>>5719459
>>5719107
Andy Asteroids stages takes less than a minute to beat. These are not comparable. One is a transition between each "episode" and other is "yep you're going to bounce those pups for the whole stage duration I hope you will enjoy the next two iterations of Puppy Love instead of proper levels we didn't have time to plan and develop".

>>5720502
>pleb filter
That implies it's challenging which it isn't. It's slow for the sake of being slow and nothing else. You have to be a top tier contrarian to defend it.

>>5724321

andy asteroids would've been better if it was longer and a regular level

>>5718686
Outrageous is not hard. Try Kaizo Mario World if you want something hard.

>>5724602
So it should be exactly like Puppy Love stages?

WTF? Puppy love is one of the most fun levels of EWJ 2.

>>5720502

Is this an American thing? Never understood the hatred for Marble Garden Zone.

Sandopolis on the other hand...

>>5717984
Fun Fact: You can use Astro Crush to cheese the jumps because they freeze Mega Man in place when he uses it but the screen keeps moving.

There. I just fixed the level for you.

>>5716896
it s down at the bottom
https://i.warosu.org/data/vr/img/0043/33/1508266514327.gif

>>5725449

It should be in the game one time as a regular level, not 7 or 8 times

>>5719082
They could have made them so much better

>>5716635
I never beat it. What a kick in the nuts after finally beating the underwater section.

>>5726019
>Marble Garden
More random traps that require you to go at a super slow speed to avoid than in Metropolis,Zone but instead it's the third Zone in the game. Horrible gimmick involving the finnicky tops. This point only applies when playing as Tails (so almost never), but the boss is hilariously bad as him specifically.
>Sandopolis
Normal levels with some parts where you have to push a switch back or pull a lever depending on the Act, slowing you down slightly. The ghosts in Act 2 take several hundred millennia to become an issue so you barely have to pay attention to the gimmick in the first place. I've never understood anyone's problem with it.

>>5726942

I used to always get stuck on it when I would rent earthworm jim back in the day

>>5726942
Yes. Down the tubes isn't as bad as people say. It takes getting used to and knowing the hidden air helps, but I never got the hang of snot a problem. I've made it to level 5 but I lost so many lives to major mucus I didn't have a chance

>>5718503
In his current Indiegogo campaign, he's got a Making of Earthworm Jim book also in the works which will he says will have loads of exclusive stories & interviews about development of the games.

>>5716635
rocks fall all die

I enjoyed Puppy Love.

>>5721218
shut the fuck up PLEB

>>5716903
git gud loser

>>5718796
Not Sonic 1 or Sonic 3&K

>>5720502
>Thinking the best zone of the series is a bad level
Marble Garden is kino
You're a pleb

>>5723113
>>5723549
t. Retarded Sonic2fags who suck at Sonic

>>5727009
>More random traps that require you to go at a super slow speed to avoid
>ever needing to slow down in Marble Garden
LOL you suck so bad at Sonic
Git gud faggot lmao

No mentions of the underwater level in TMNT? Or is that too well known to bother mentioning?

>>5719319
I'd rather go through Xen twice than RP once.

>>5721218
Damn, /vr/ blown the fuck out.

>>5716883
>my family rented the game, and then got stopped dead in our tracks at this level

I had almost the opposite experience. Me and my step brother rented it one weekend, similarly got to Down the Tubes and hit a wall. But it only spurred us on more and we stayed up stupidly late just passing the controller back and forth until we started getting the hang of it.

A tital blast, I returned it the next day and bought my own copy that very week.

>>5718686
Tubular is a very easy level even with small Mario. In fact the hardest part of it was the start to not fall in between the pipes. You just have to figure it out. I think it's a great level.

>>5716635