/vr/ - Retro Games

Not retro.

Never retro.

>>5701332
No

Against the rules, you fucking liberal. Get banned.

Not retro. Will never be retro.

Even at the heat death of the universe 6th gen will not be retro.

>>5701332
These things are fucking 20 years old. Why are people so retarded about this?

>>5701332
>>5701339
>>5701372
>Dreamcast
>Not retro
I guess SOMEBODY didn't read pinned thread, huh?

ChainDive is pretty fun

>>5701332
Friendly reminder that /VR/ is LITERALLY the only place where 6th Gen isn't retro.
Because mods are fucking gay retarded babies, and they even made an exception for their beloved Dreamcast.

>>5701403
No one but retards like you think Master Chief belongs with 8 bit Mario.

>>5701334
>>5701336
>>5701339
>>5701372
>>5701389
>Retro games are generally those produced from the 1970s to early 2000s, and can include video games for systems and consoles from the 1st through 6th generations of video game consoles as well as personal computer games for retrocomputing platforms.

Wikipedia says you're wrong. /vr/'s mods don't even have enough balls to ball the entire generation, since there's an absolutely arbitrary exception for Dreamcast.

>>5701405
Only retards like you think 3D games belong on the same board as 8-bit Mario.

>>5701410
3d has been a thing since the release of Mario on the NES, kiddo.

>NOOOO I DON'T WANT TO POST ON THE RIGHT BOARD
>I WANT TO POST ON THE WRONG BOARD WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T SHARE MY INTERESTS
>NOOOOO REEEEEEEE BAWWWWWWWWW

>>5701407
The cutoff is the year 2000. The Dreamcast was released in 1998. There's nothing arbitrary about it.

>>5701405
And Shenmue, Sonic Adventure, and Jet Set Radio somehow do. Care to tell me why, exactly?

>>5701419
SEGA

>>5701418
PS2 was released in 2000, you dumb fag.

>>5701423
Yes, that's too late for this board.

>>5701423
That's a whole different millennium.

>>5701428
That's literally still second millenium. Third one starts with 2001.

>>5701419
Their platform is pre-2000.
>>5701423
This is why it’s not retro.

>>5701432
ok talk about games released between October 26, 2000 and December 31 2000.

>>5701418
Except /vr/'s explanaiton for WHY exactly Dreamcast is allowed isn't because it's pre-1999, but because, and I quote,
>With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro"
This IS arbitrary.

>>5701338
>durr but dreamcast is retro cus muh arcade games and muh sega

>>5701437
>>5701439
Sorry Melee kids. Sega is just better.

I can't wait for when the PS5 comes out and we will have even more a reason to say that PS2 is retro and then Im gonna make as many threads as possible about NBA 2K16

>>5701441
Yes, NBA 2k16. Now that's a retro game.

>>5701440
>N-no I c-cant be wrong! It must b-be Jewtendo conspiracy against m-my beloved Sonic husbando!

>>5701332
Not retro except for the fact that
>6th gen is basically an extension of 5th gen
>6th gen has more 5th gen elements than 7th gen elements
>the games are so old now that everyone pretty much thinks of them as retro since they play more like 5th gen games than 7th gen (when modern gaming truly started)
>old halo and gta3 are so primitive by today's standards that they play more like advanced 5th gen games than they do early modern games

To all the 1999 is the cutoff for retro guys: can you at least admit that 6th gen is partially retro? Or has a 5th gen foundation? (And is thus the last era that had true authentic retro elements?)

Also, Dreamcast.

>inb4 zoomer
>inb4 this thread gets autistically deleted
>

>>5701405
He does though if you use your brain instead of muh feels
>Muh 8bit

>>5701447
>>6th gen is basically an extension of 5th gen
Ya XBox live with Halo 2 map packs. Now that's a retro experience straight out of 5th gen.

the only reason anybody wants to keep you fucking zoomers out is because every time you make a thread like this you make it exceedingly clear that you don't have any actual intention of video game discussion and are only interested in transplanting your shitty board culture here.

>>5701447
>subjective
>subjective
>normies think everything that isn't fortnite is retro
>subjective
nice

>>5701407
>1970s to early 2000s

THIS IS THE RETRO GAMING ERA. MODERN GAMING ERA IS 2005 - PRESENT.

>>5701454
Hey remember connecting to Xbox Live, downl loading the latest map pack and playing Halo? Oh wait you still do that today...

>>5701434
>>5701428
>>5701426
>once the clock struck midnight on jan 1st 2000, the retro era suddenly ended.

Do you know how autistic this sounds? Eras don't end overnight like that. It takes a while for eras to truly end.

>>5701461
yeah eras ACTUALLY end when i want them to personally which is why my childhood is included in the umbrella of "retro"

>>5701450
Just because modern gaming elements were tried out during this era doesn't mean it didn't start with a 5th gen foundation and is thus at least partially retro.

you have TEN (10) seconds to prove you're not a zoomer

>>5701332
>which everyone considers retro by now.

Based

>>5701461
What objective metric would you like?
Resolution? 5th gen was the last to have the majority be 240p, 6th gen started 480i/480p
Hmmm.... DLC and online? 6th gen again with XBox live
>>5701465
> were tried out
Hey retard. I don't know if you know this or not... XBox live is still a thing. It's pretty obscure though I admit. Like no one plays it. Not sure why Microsoft even supports it anymore. Not like there's games like Black Ops 4 selling millions on XBox one or something. Ha, those crazy 6th gen experiments man...

>>5701473
for
>>5701467

GBA is the most retro console there is, and it's absolutely laughable that it's not allowed on VR

>>5701473
>microsoft tried out xbox live on 6th gen
>xbox live still exists, that means 6th gen is not retro

>Starfox used polygons
>Polygons still exist, that means SNES is not retro

>>5701479
>A DLC device should allowed guys!
>don't talk about Wind Waker though!
>no 6th gen ports either!
>>5701481
3d games date back to the mid 80s, champ.

>>5701332
What are some good coop ps2 games? Currently playing the adventures of cookie and cream.

In that case, here is my favourite retro game! :)

>>5701473
6th gen was the last (and technically only) era to utilize SD resolutions, and these systems are best played on CRTs.

>>5701453
Because this board’s “culture” is so great, right? It’s the same shit with an older coat of paint. Get real.

>>5701526
It’s a good game. My favorite retro game, Nocturne, is better though.

Accurate ps2 emulation when?

>>5701545
PCSX2’s software mode is already pretty accurate.

>>5701332
not retro, read the sticky for details

>>5701332
I agree 6th gen should have a place on this board by now, but only because it was the awkward transitional generation between retro and modern game design. The date of Dec 31st 1999 as a cutoff is arbitrary, created only for convenience. Generational changes are more gradual than that.

I think the mods should run a test run of sorts by allowing a single 6th generation general on the board. Just that, nothing less, nothing more, so that there is finally a place for productive 6th gen discussion that doesn't risk overriding and aggravating the existing /vr/ culture. Or to put it in the words of the resident 30 YO Boomers, "a containment general for those goddamn Zoomer brats."

>>5701415
/v/ is too consumed by the absolute mass of games that have been released in this past decade alone for there to be any substantial conversation of anything from 6th generation. Shit, you can barely get /v/ to talk about 7TH gen, video games as a medium are too fucking huge at this point and /v/ is way too saturated (why the fuck do you think /vr/ and /vg/ had to be created in the first place?).

>>5701469
I remember 90s rave culture visually, they hung out at snackbars in windbreakers, etc.

Dreamcast is the last retro game console not due to age of release, but because it's the absolute last console to have sales driven by straight-to-home arcade ports like Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxi, and Marvel vs. Capcom.
I understand that it is a bit confusing considering that the Dreamcast was released in the 6th gen, but even if it was, it was a real attempt at releasing arcade-style games to home gaming audiences. It failed because the industry had moved on, but that still makes the Dreamcast retro.

After the Dreamcast, arcades were mostly dead, and the model by which games were developed and marketed quickly started to shift away from the arcade, and to trying to please home audiences, which was now the only audience to sell games to.
The death of the arcade then meant the start of "modern" home gaming, and everything before this point can be considered "retro."

This change obviously changed the perspective games were made with, creating games with an entirely different idea in mind.
That's why the PS2 isn't retro, it's not "arcade", the target audience would not be found in arcades.

When will PS2 be retro? Once the market makes such a drastic shift that PS2 games will no longer fit in the modern idea of a video game, which is unlikely to happen anywhere soon in this decade or the next, nor would it necessarily be called retro

The cutoff date 1999 doesn't mean any games up until 1999 can be discussed, it's a general idea of what is and isn't "retro", not a tight leash.

>>5701579
I think if you have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere, Y2K is absolutely the best place to do it anyway.

>>5701469
I though Michael Jordan was cool as shit as a kid, even though I had zero interest in basketball and had zero clue why he was so famous. I was irrationally hyped for Space Jam.

>>5701453
>muh board culture
>muh video game discussion
There's nothing about actual game discussion in /vr/ """"board culture""""
Board culture here is just circlejerking about shitty crts, depressing dusty battlestations and the worst gatekeeping in the world by a bunch of retarded 30 yo NEETs on disability checks screaming 'not retro' about anything over the BIG ROUND NUMBER for poser points
There's no actual game discussion in this 'culture', actual game discussion happens when people like you shut the fuck up.
kys

>>5701473
>What objective metric would you like?
Time, you mongoloid. You keep harping on about Xbox live still existing, but new Mario games being released isn't that big of a deal when you 'discuss' your shitty circlejerk.
Pompous retards and their fucked up logic full of holes and double standards I swear to me mom...

>>5701332
I have been revisiting Tourist Trophy and Nightshade. Both games are super fun. Man the PS2 has so many goodies on it.

>>5701585
>a bunch of retarded 30 yo NEETs
For real though, with Millennials making up a majority of 4chan's population I don't understand how this board is such a huge circlejerk about 80s/90s stuff yet craps all over the 2000s. THE MAJORITY OF MILLENNIALS GAMED ON THE 4TH TO 6TH GENERATION CONSOLES. I'm 30 and I remember 6th gen very fondly because that was what I spent my teenage years playing. I'm not sure if /vr/ is just full of too many typical 4chan contrarians, or if there are some really salty Gen-X'ers constantly astroturfing the board.

>>5701332
Not Retro. Graphics still look the same as they did in 2002. Resident Evil gamecube looks the same on PS4. Mario Sunshine looks exactly the same As Mario Odyssey. Halo 2 looks the same as any FPS released today.

>>5701597
I'm also 30 and even back during 6th gen I thought it was inferior to the previous two generations. /vr/ would be populated by a lot of people who are old enough to remember retro and not-retro but have fonder memories of retro. That's why we're here.

>>5701597
Posers ruin everything, like >>5701613 eagerly demonstrated. 'I remember I didn't like it as much', no arguments, not even a single game or console named, just muh teen feels.
Bunch of childhood obsessed faggots with no desire to actually discuss games, just circlejerk and pose.

dreamcast shouldn't be retro either. The jump from 32/64-bit to 128 is more noticeable than it is with games today vs ones from the 2000s

>>5701604
Did you get your eyes literally removed from their sockets somewhere around 2000 and use these retarded examples to try and hide this fact?

>>5701627
You know what's retarded and subjective? Feeling that 'jump from x to y was more noticeable than jump from w to x' because you were likely getting old enough to notice.
Know what's absolutely objective? Time.
2000 will be fucking 20 years ago in less than 6 months for fuck's sake.

>>5701628
Mario 2002 vs. Club Nintendo 2013 Mario, You might want to check your eyes

>>5701632
>these two promo images about literally two games are absolute proof that nothing changed in two decades
lmao didn't even bother making that shutty comparison using actual game models
Just fucking end yourself you fucking waste of oxygen

>>5701637
Someone forgot to take their Xanax today. Until WE see a huge difference graphic wise it will not be retro

>>5701407
>early 2000s

>xbox, GBA, GC, PS2

>>5701639
SUCH A HUGE JUMP OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS LMAO

>>5701613
>I thought it was inferior to the previous two generations
Okay but fucking how? Are you telling me Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 3, GTA: San Andreas, Half-Life 2, Halo, Metroid Prime, Katamari Damacy, KOTOR, Burnout 3, ect. ect. were all shit? Or are you going off of nostalgia and an inability to move on when your favorite franchises turned to crap?
Different=/=bad. I lamented Mega Man X turning to shit by 6th gen, or Zelda never again quite reaching the heights of OoT/MM (well, not until BotW); but I moved on and found new things to enjoy. And now here we are with the 8th gen, with works such as Dark Souls and Doom Eternal finally putting the "game" back into our video games. Don't grip so hard onto the old that you can't move on to enjoy the modern, you'll turn your soul cynical and bitter.

>>5701604
>>5701628
>>5701637
>>5701639
>>5701643
>this dumb fucking "graphics" argument
Games are judged first and foremost by their gameplay--not their stories, not their appearance. You're both goddamn retarded.

>>5701639
>I have literally 4 examples, including remasters and Nintendo games, to justify my retarded point
Yeah I guess shitty argumentation is indeed retro. You're still an absolute blind fuck though.
Nevermind technology, or the obvious graphic changes if anyone dares looking at anything beyond your retarded cherry pick, this guy definitely demonstrated that nothing changed in two decades.
Even if you weren't such a special needs child and even remotely had a point there, I still fail to see why slower graphic evolution would be a good 'retro/reeeee not retro' cut-off for the gen you arbitrarily define as starting such a trend, if it even existed.
Once again, circlejerking faggots have no point beyond their nostalgia boner, more news at 11

>>5701649
So gameplay makes a game retro?

>>5701649
Don't quote me, mutt, that's exactly my point. It doesn't discard the fact that the other tard is a cherrypicking blind fuck.

>>5701652
>so rhetorical questions actually make a point?
No you goddamn mother fucking retard, time does.

>>5701645
>Are you telling me Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 3, GTA: San Andreas, Half-Life 2, Halo, Metroid Prime, Katamari Damacy, KOTOR, Burnout 3, ect. ect. were all shit?
Inferior to the previous gen doesn't mean those games are shit.

>>5701658
Indeed, it just means you perceive things as less good because your life turned to shit regardless of the actual videogame production of the era.

>>5701654
Wasn't a rhetorical question, your high strong and high blood pressure as needs to chill out. Modern Rock starts from 1988-present so why should the cut off date be moved from 2000 or 1999? I don't give a fuck if its 50 YEARS. those systems will NEVER be retro.

>>5701663
>armchair psychology
And you accuse me of presenting no argument?

>>5701665
One more thing I wanna add. If any mod or admin is reading please never ever ever make any of the systems mentioned retro. 14 year olds will go around saying they are retro for playing their brothers PS2.

>>5701665
What the fuck are you on about with modern rock....
Music genres ' have nothing to do with videogames. I guess I should be grateful it's not a fucking food analogy.
If you want to define' retro' as an artistic movement, go ahead. But you'll have to find objective arguments to do so, AND to define the cutoff with 'not retro' in 2000. Both things you defend yet are unable to explain beyond muh feels.

>>5701670
someone who is 14 today wasn’t even born when the 7th gen started

>>5701669
Yeah I do, because you didn't. The armchair psychology is there to hammer this point. Glad it worked.

>>5701670
15 years ago a bunch of retarded posers like you would have argued the same thing with N64 and PSX. This shit never ends. Maybe some day, when you reach an age beyond 25, you'll realise that 5 years is nothing and doesn't define a generation.

>>5701665
>Modern Rock starts from 1988-present so why should the cut off date be moved from 2000 or 1999? I don't give a fuck if its 50 YEARS. those systems will NEVER be retro.
What? You do realize that "classic rock" stations used to only play 50s-70s rock, and that 80s rock is a rather recent addition to their line-ups, right? You know why? Because the definition of "retro", "classic" and "vintage" is that something is FUCKING OLD, a category that is always shifting with time. That's it, that's all it is. No matter how much of a childish hissy-fit you throw, the scope of this category will grow and change.

>>5701674
This, besides it’s not like plenty of underages don’t post here because they found snes9x. Gatekeeping blows and the hobby would die out without random children stumbling upon it.

>>5701678

>>5701682
>I have no point anymore but I can't stop posting
>>>/v/

I think gen 6 is fine to be considered retro, but i agree about keeping it away from /vr/ since it would only become some shitty Halo/Gta/Melee board and nothing else.

>>5701545
Why would you need one? You still can get PS2 for almost dirt cheap.

>>5701687
You're not worth anymore of my time because no matter what you say the rules aren't going to be changed so stay pissed off. SEE YA.

FUCK DREAMCAST
LOVE PANZER GENERAL
SIMPLE

Sorry famalam, we follow our arbitrary, dogmatic rules laid out years ago by some faggot unquestioningly, and if you bring it up again, we bring the torches.

Capisce?

Whats the worse that would happen if 20 years from now 6th generation still wasn't considered retro? Would the universe explode?

>>5701698
>not retro
>you're wrong
>well, the rules are never changing, too bad
>not retro
>you're wrong
>well, the rules are never changing, too bad
>not retro
>you're wrong
>well, the rules are never changing, too bad
>not retro
>you're wrong
>well, the rules are never changing, too bad

Do you faggots have any idea how long I've heard this same retarded circular logic defense from this board? You cranky old fucks could have found a solution to this zoomer badgering ages ago, instead you sit here arguing bullshit and don't propose a single solution to what is happening here.

It has been retro for a while. If you can discuss gothic and morrowind games, then sure GBA is retro too.

>>5701473
>What objective metric would you like?
Older than 15-20 years seems the most objetive metric. Videogame makers receive influences for things released while they are making their games. No matter whether it comes from a previous gen or a current one.

Consider fan games made for old consoles. They have more in common with current indie games that actual retro games and they are still accepted in this board. That's pretty stupid.

>>5701692
Despite Smash popularity on the switch, nobody comes here to talk about the game. I doubt this place will change its nature just because old popular games are allowed.