/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5688184
No fucking games besides Jap jank.

It doesn't. The PS1 is what triggers /vr/ because it pwned Nintendo, Sega and everyone else.

>>5688194
PS1 is barely controversial on /vr/, it's highly available and cheap. And nobody cares about console/brand wars unironically here.
Saturn triggers some of /vr/ because of its cult status with collectors and how certain games are very expensive, but honestly it's not that bad, I don't get why so many people get triggered over that. Every console has expensive games.

>>5688184
Dunno, since most of us never owned one.
Seems like a pretty nice machine though.

>>5688203
>nobody cares about console/brand wars unironically here

>>5688209
Not that anon but it doesn't have v-tier console wars here

>>5688209
You have a few mentally ill shitposters, but most people here won't pertake in console wars unironically. Most of the times it's silly banter remembering the cheesy 90s american ads like "genesis does" and what not.
You don't have endless sales threads and "serious" /biz/ arguments about weekly chart sales like you see on /v/, not to mentions the wojaks, etc.

>>5688184
Because it fucked Sega's shit up. You can pin it all on the 32X, but Saturn failing miserably is what actually did them in.

As far as Sega consoles go, Megadrive > Master System > Dreamcast > Saturn.

>>5688226
>As far as Sega consoles go, Megadrive > Master System > Dreamcast > Saturn.
This, but the exact opposite.

>>5688226
And what the fuck does that have to do with you not playing Saturn games now?

>>5688226
Master System should be last.
And honestly, Saturn has more and better games than DC. Some games that got released in both systems are even better on Saturn (SFA3)
MD>SS>DC>SMS

>>5688232
Because I enjoy Sega videogames and didn't want to see them go bankrupt?

>>5688184
Not many people had one or have owned one. Yet it has some of the best games of the generation. So obviously this leads to conflict with fanboys.

>>5688236
Master System wasn't a flop like the Saturn, or only lived half a console's usual lifespan like the DC thanks to Sega going bust.
Also it's home to Sega's best 2D platformers.

>>5688237
Sega got out at the right time. The last few big Dreamcast games got released on the Xbox and everything went to shit from 7th-gen onwards anyway.

>>5688203
Yeah but the Saturn is the only one where ALL the good to decent games are $100+

>>5688257
>Also it's home to Sega's best 2D platformers.
Don't kid yourself, that's the Mega Drive.

>>5688237
>Because I enjoy Sega videogames
Pretty sure you don't. You just seem like a poorfag coping with the fact you couldn't afford one at the time. That or you failed to buy any of the good games.

>>5688284
NeoGeo

>>5688281
>and everything went to shit from 7th-gen onwards anyway.
Gee, I wonder whose fault THAT could be...

>>5688313
How is it the fault of the consumer when a business has mistakes after mistakes?

You just keep getting stupider and stupider, anon. Stop posting and avoid further embarrassment.

>>5688339
Microsoft, who brought PC gaming to consoles, ruining console gaming and PC gaming in the process.

>>5688350
Microsoft has stated they wouldn't have made a console if Sega hadn't gone under. And who was it that killed Sega, again?

>>5688359
>And who was it that killed Sega, again?
Sega of America, namely the (((greedy fucking faggots))) running it.
I'm not saying Sony hasn't fagged shit up but they weren't the end-all be-all.

>>5688368
I don't see how SoA was any greedier than SoJ.

Also
>parentheses
Back to /pol/, nazi scum.

>>5688359
Considering they started building the thing before the Dreamcast was even released that's clearly bullshit of the highest order.

>>5688359
Microsoft started conceiving Xbox before Dreamcast even launched but learned what they needed about the current games market through their partnership with Sega and designed Xbox to be an evolution of Dreamcast in every way.

>>5688372
>nazi
It doesn't take a nazi to recognize a parasite.
It's actually plainly obvious, which is why the minute anyone brings it up, people like you start going apeshit with that word "nazi". FWIW I'm a classic libertarian/outlaw.
As for SoA, every decision they made except for Sonic's design qualities were fucking bad. SoJ was in charge and SoA should have followed orders. This is how Nintendo works and for good or bad it has kept them alive and well. Westerners tend to get overly ambitious and egotistical which begins to rot companies after a while. You see this with most western companies. Start small, grow, get a big head, then rot sets in. Just look at Google, as a noted current example.

PS: don't start with the ad hominem. I won't use it on you so I ask the same respect, and if you can't at least do that, then we end here.

I bet if Sega Saturn was a person it would have a big dick.

>>5688390
And big tits

>>5688387
don't sargon of akkad me, fashie.

>>5688184
It actually sucks that we can't have a decent thread on the Saturn here. I'm almost certain it's the autistic N64 kids (which this board is fucking full of, even the mods) who have to shitpost in every Saturn/PSX thread because they still can't get over finding out they grew up with 5th gen's worst console.

>>5688346
>Company makes great games available
>Company makes business decisions that don't affect you so you refuse to play them
Yep, makes real sense to me. Consider suicide you low IQ retard.

>>5688396
I'll protect you, Melfina.

>>5688184
based

>why does emulation trigger this board
>why do arcades trigger this board
>why does Saturn trigger this board
Why do the mods allow this schizo to keep shitting up the board with these nonsense threads that aren't even true

>>5688493
Not too much to talk about these days. Hey, it's far better than most boards.

>>5688387
>>5688368
The only reason Nintendo is a world wide known company is because of NoA... The only reason Masayuki Uemura made the zapper was for the American market.

SEGA's only real problem was not letting SoA go full crazy.

>>5688514
NoA has no real power. Never have beyond some advertising clout in the US.
Nobody outside the US gives a flying fuck about Reggie, for example. Rest in Pieces.

>>5688405
The fuck are you talking, most N64 threads get shitposted to death or get ignored here, and ps1 threads are mostly rpg shit so they get shitposted by shmupfags or the like, let's not even get into MGS or SOTN.
If anything, Saturn (or Sega in general) gets a lot of love from /vr/ in comparison to the N64, it's pretty common seeing a thread/post where "the saturn version was better" or "saturn was best 5th gen console".

>>5688514
>SEGA's only real problem was not letting SoA go full crazy.
With what? The 32X? Banning 2D games? Making more silly marketing campaigns mocking the (winning) competition?
SoA was a joke, they only did 1 (one) right thing, the rest were all clownish failures.

>>5688542
It's the biggest market Nintendo has. Nintendo is at least smart enough to design things for it unlike SEGA was.

>>5688184
Because it's a piece of crap and retards actually enjoy it.
>huurrr but muh Nights fffddduuuurrrr

>>5688545
>he says this while there is currently a completely civil N64 thread up while there's 4 Saturn threads full of the usual shitposting
Based retard

>>5688553
SEGA was making more money at the time than Nintendo. NoA wanted a budget Saturn. That could had been something.

>>5688579
>SEGA was making more money at the time than Nintendo
I'm talking about SoA making fun of the playstation with the Nights commercial.

>>5688582
Think that was just a case of trying to adapt the ad campaign they had been uses for years to a system without the games like Sonic to allow for it.

>>5688570
>thread for the anniversary of the console
yeah one of the few occasions where you can have a decent n64 thread, every other time is lolnogaems and the usual shit.

>>5688184
>no mario games
>most games playable by EOPs are good arcade ports so "impossible"
>difficult to emulate on moms ipad
>no 9001 in 1 handheld chinkshit emulators
Basically untouchable for the typical bandwagoner

It's the greatest console of all time

>>5688184
We aren't triggered by it. It's simply the worst fifth gen system and rightfully shat on for having nogaems.

>>5688184
I had a Saturn but it was a massive disappointment is my guess on why it may be controversial on this board. They should have just made the Saturn a 2D based console entirely. That way the fifth gen would have been incredible with 3 consoles all truly doing unique things. I guarantee it wouldn't have even sold worst had they went that direction with it. Perhaps would have been much better for them in the long run. Sega was still a market leader at the time and 32X shouldn't have existed.

>>5688184
I would say the N64 is more prone to that.

>>5689897
This.

>best 3D out of the fifth-gen systems
>games were expensive and hard to pirate for
>the trident controller still confuses dumbasses
>it has the most praised videogame of all time (OoT)

Saturn makes Sonyggers seethe because it can do 2D games better than the PSX. Same with N64 and 3D.

>>5688396
Just go back to redit xir

>>5689920
but muh quantity and edginess

>>5689920
Is that Princess Crown translation ever gonna come out?

>>5688207
look at all that shovelware

>>5690273
Answer OP.

>>5688239
I owned one, it was shit.

>>5690396
Most of the people who owned one as a kid obviously hated it because their tiny brains wanted their little sonic and NBA jam 2 on it.

>>5690403
>sonic and NBA jam 2
Still better than untranslated jarpig 3 or inferior-to-arcade port 5.

>>5690403
it did have Sonic 3D and Sonic-R even though they were nothing special, and some nba games other than that, small library, mostly overpriced shitty games, low framerates on triple A titles.
Did I mention it got discontinued three years after it came out?

Sure it's a cool console to own now after all these years since it has a few cult titles like Enemy Zero.

>>5690421
I mean, Sony had Crash Bandicoot and N64 Mario, and Sega had Bug! hahaha what a shitty game

>>5690434
Clockwork Knight 2 is a better scotformer than either SM64 or Trash Bandicoot, though.

>>5690439
You serious? hahaha

>>5690440
Maybe Keio 2 because of the hentai sex appeal I guess, but clockwork night? I mean

>>5690434
>>5690439
crash is just a hugo ripoff and not a real 3D platformer, it's a corridor platformer.
If you want to cite a 3D platformer for PS1, there's Jumping Flash.
Saturn has Burning Rangers, although it's a bit different, but def more 3D than Crash.

>>5690440
Have you even played it? The level design is superb in CK2, with lots of branching paths and secrets.

>>5688190
but the jap jank is novel and fun for weebs

>>5688419
i just decided to watch this show a few days ago and am nearly through it. wtf does anime suck now?

32year old boomer here

I have very fond memories of the Sega Saturn. I've played most of its library and it has some really good gems.

>>5689709
>We are triggered by it. It's simply the only fifth gen system we've heard of that isn't Sony or Nintendo and ignorantly shat on by EOPs
FTFYK

>>5690608
>muh eop meme
Go read a book, nerd. Gaming isn't for you.

>>5690618
>muh only action games are real games meme
back to /vg/ shmup brainlet

>>5690635
Playing an action game well takes more iq than reading a "game", ya dingas.

>>5690638
>takes more autism
ftfy

>>5688359
Sega killed itself with its retarded infighting

Either way im glad sega never joined with microsoft. Their IPs would honestly be at an even worst state if that happened,

>>5690663
Jrpg takes the most autism
Shut the fuck up

>>5691195
in terms of actual tism
"playing" (actually watching superplays and copymonkeying with save states) action games > playing rpgs > playing action games.

>>5691203
>people can't git gud at games without savestates
>people can't invent or discover strats on their own

we're reaching critical levels of cope here

>>5688184
>It's a very expensive console to collect for
>It still emulates like crap so you can't "try it out"
>most huge Saturn collectors I've known are autistic hoarders that have 5 copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga, or have to have every variant of every Working Design game. They're a pretty ridiculous lot.

>>5690618
triggered EOP is triggered. Stay mad faggot.

>>5691296
stay cucked to japs and having shit taste in '''games''', stupid bitch

>>5692214
>all that butthurt
lol. How would you know what taste I have in games? You can't play the vast majority of the library. You're the kind of tard who can't figure out that "START" means press the start button to start the game because there's japanese words on the start screen.

>>5691243
If you don't do either of those things, why get triggered?

Wtf is an "EOP?

>>5688226
Saturn was a big hit in Japan. It's hardly what did them in.

>>5692702
English-only peasant.
People who have english as their first language and never learn any other.

>>5692629
You think reading is gaming. That's all it takes for me to know you're a retard. But go ahead, keep "playing" your JP-only VNs and jarpigs while thinking you're superior to people who didn't waste years on some worthless gook language.

>>5692713
>selling barely 5m units in japan
>a big hit
lol

>>5692720
So the only people that matter, aka Americans?

>>5692720
Ironic to call someone a peasant for knowing the most useful language in the world. Wouldn't this be more accurate to describe people who exclusively speak languages like Finnish, Portuguese, Dutch, Croatian, etc.?

>>5692737
Far more than the Mega Drive.

I consider the Saturn the successor of both the Mega Drive, and the PC Engine. The PCE was the j-rpg, virtual novel, and stg system. Saturn inherited a lot of those series.

>>5692741
>>5692745
I merely explained what it means, folks.
I think it's because the term was actually coined by english-speakers themselves, who know more than 1 language.
Maybe if a finnish person coined it, it'd be FOP, who knows.

>>5692763
>I merely explained what it means, folks.
Fair enough. I've seen people boast about being able to read moonrunes but this is the first I've seen the term "EOP".

>>5692737
>5 million
That's not confirmed. It's not even confirmed how many units the Saturn sold in general. Its anywhere from 9.5 million to 17 million (unlikely for the latter, but that's just how uncertain it is). If I had to guess it was realistically around 11 or 12 million but I'm not saying that's correct either. But what's your source? Your ass?

>>5688184
Sega

>>5688207
>Dunno, since most of us never owned one.

Thats the problem with /vr/. Right there. From the horses mouth.

>>5695428
The only people who hate the Saturn are children that never owned one, or boomers who had the shitty western incarnations of the saturn.

It's made for arcade heads while /vr/ is a mixed bag of nintenfags and jarpigs

Nowadays with mame it's kinda obsolete though

>>5692741
>Americans, the only people that matter
this right here might be one of the reasons, OP
>>5692745
to be fair, at least in generations after boomers it's more likely you will find finns, portuguese and other yuropoor folk speaking english on a level that enables them to basic conversations, which is something you couldn't expect from any anglo person from any english speaking country. again, absolutely understandable why but it's also understandable, why people with english as second language make fun of in particular yankees for trying to make it seem as if it's cool to only speak one language, while in other parts of the world it gets more and more prevalent seemingly, that people are speaking 2 or 3

>>5688207
>recommended SEGA SATURN games
>megaman x 4
>rayman
>alpha 3
what a fucking joke. imagine your recommended games being inferior ports holy fuck.

>>5696715
But Megaman x4 and street fighter alpha 3 run way better on the saturn than their other console ports? where are you getting your information from?

>>5697112
>MMX4
Doesn't run any different from PSX, also has worse graphics and sound quality.

>SFA3
In an age where you can play the real thing easily, why bother with inferior ports?

>>5692745
>(((useful)))

>>5697305
>>MMX4
>Doesn't run any different from PSX, also has worse graphics and sound quality.
The graphics are basically identical and the sound quality is a lot more crisper on the Saturn version. Plus Saturn version has shorter load times.

>>SFA3
>In an age where you can play the real thing easily, why bother with inferior ports?
What a retarded argument. Why bother with retro consoles to begin with if that's your argument for every good pre-2000s port.

>>5697358
>The graphics are basically identical
Enjoy your dithering in place of transparencies, lol.

>and the sound quality is a lot more crisper on the Saturn version.
Saturn sucks at handling samples compared to the PSX's sound chip.

>Why bother with retro consoles to begin with if that's your argument for every good pre-2000s port.
For the original/exclusive titles to that system, duh.

>>5697358
not that anon but the original guy;
1. youre insane if you think the graphics are the same considering the chopped resolution and dithering. the sound quality is also clearly worse in case youve never actually played it and youre just bullshitting in here.

there is zero reason to play a port of alpha 3 considering its a head to head fighting game and can be played online. i doubt you own 2 saturn fightsticks for you and whatever buddy you probably dont have around to play wtih you but yea

>>5697367
>Enjoy your dithering in place of transparencies, lol.
The lack of transparency effects arent even noticeable on a CRT. And ironically, i think the saturns mesh approach to transparencies look really good in a grungy way. Pic related. You wont see that anywhere else and that's the entire point of retro gaming. If you're looking for pixel perfect games made in the 5th gen to begin with, you're doing it wrong. The 5th gen and specifically the Saturn has some of the most appealing graphics to me because of how unique they were. Similar to how I love the dreamcasts graphics due to the games lack of shaders.
>Saturn sucks at handling samples compared to the PSX's sound chip.
The PS1s sound chip is superior in that aspect, but not for this game. Similar to how Symphony of the night got the shitty port on Saturn when actually the Saturn has the better 2D processors than PS1.
>For the original/exclusive titles to that system, duh.
Anon, i hate to tell you this, but most killer app exclusives have been ported to other future consoles and Steam. The Saturn ironically is one of the few consoles that has a good amount of exclusives that werent ported anywhere else. Theres another thread about the Saturn still up where 2 people listed some good exclusive western and Japanese Saturn-only games. See >>5688096 or >>5689421 . If you're not pleased with what you see, see >>5688127

>>5697376
>youre insane if you think the graphics are the same considering the chopped resolution and dithering.
Chopped resolution? Where?
>the sound quality is also clearly worse in case youve never actually played it and youre just bullshitting in here.
Again, you need to give me a reference or example.
And nobody's saying you just HAVE to play alpha 3 on Saturn. I wouldn't even mention it bringing up Saturn games, but he (or most likely you) did, that's why I was addressing it to begin with.

>>5697367
>pared to the PSX's sound chip.

how so?

Imagine playing shoddier versions of arcade games on consoles in current year because you're too much of a purist to try emulation or too poor to afford the PCB.

>>5697507
There's more than just arcade ports, champ. Also Outrun is better than the arcade.

>>5697367

The dithering isn't that big of a deal, and the Saturn can handle transparencies and quite a few games do it just fine.

And besides,Megaman X4 makes up for the dithering with better background effects.

As for sample quality, yes the Saturn can't play compressed samples, but it can play more of them and do more advanced effects with them. Plus it has a dedicated CPU for it's sound chip that can do software decompression as well as more advanced things like ADX encoded streams.

>>5697469

The Saturn ports of CPS2 games run at 352x224 instead of the 384x224 of the Arcade, simply because the system doesn't support 384x224. However the game is still coded to play like it's at that resolution so gameplay isn't impacted. You just lose 16 pixels on either side of the screen compared to the arcade.

>>5688184
it's the definition of unobtainium nowadays

you have to import most of the best stuff from japan

>>5688207
i own one and its tits if you like arcade games

>>5697305
console ports of fighting games are always superior to the arcade because of arranged/not shitty mono music and less bullshit AI