/vr/ - Retro Games

the Saturn was lame dude.

>>5687797
>t. zoomer

>>5687797
Why? I have lots of games and enjoy playing them to this day. Also amazing controller (2nd model)

The Saturn is unironically the thinking mans console. It was handcrafted by Sega themselves to repel anybody with a sub-130 IQ. The games all have a distinct charm that not even the PS1 captured. The shooters were amazing, the fighting games were top tier, and the console itself is the definitive console to play light gun games on. The only reason why the Saturn is generally looked at in a more negative light is because it's quite possibly the only system in history to not get any notoriety for its amazing games. Almost every amazing Saturn game is overlooked to the general gamer. Its because the console was specifically designed to be an acquired taste. A wondrous taste only the enlightened can truly experience to its fullest extent.

>>5687893
I want Sakura to have my babies.

>>5687780
I would let her give me head if you know what it is that I am saying.

https://edgeemu.net/details-60063.htm

>>5687780
>1997
>tomb raider saves start deleting themselves
reeeeeeeeee fuck this game sell it
>no internet to know that the
>battery ran out
>thought it was just broken

fuck this shitty console fuck it up its stupid ass
should have bought a playstation instead

>>5688021
What sort of retard are you?

>>5688021
You should have read the Sega Saturn manual. That, or at least have a Memory cart by 1997 for your Saturn. Read >>5687893
I sadly just think the console wasnt meant for you, anon.

>>5688036
a Saturn owner, funniest thing is that I convinced some other kid to buy it too, only too meet him a year after and tell me it didn't have any games and the console was shit. Anyone that remember the Saturn fondly clearly didn't own one as a kid .

>>5687893
>>5688040
apart from couple cult games like Dark Savior and Nights , Saturn didn't have anything you wouldn't find on pc or psx on better form.
Doom was fucking shit, Daytona had three levels. and they all cost like $70 a pop.
VF2 was ok and VC2. What else hmm.
fuck I even owned The Crow City of Angels.
UMK3 had less playable characters.
The soccer games were alright.

It still sucks that the Saturn is harder to emulate even on high-end PCs, and documentation of the console is pretty much non-existant.

>>5688063
>fuck I even owned The Crow City of Angels.
Damn, I had that for PS1 but at least I got it for cheap because it was a bootleg. One of the worst games I ever played.
Anyway, you need to explore the Saturn catalogue more. If all you can think is Dark Savior and Nights.

>>5688071
>explore the Saturn catalogue more
what do you mean, that's like the best games on it.
name other games and I'll tell you about them

>>5688063
>Panzer Dragoon
>Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
>Nights into Dreams
>Sega Rally Championship
>Daytona USA
>Baku Baku
>Burning Rangers
>Saturn Bomberman
>Guardian Heroes
>Sonic R
>The House of the Dead
>Golden Axe: The Duel
>Shining Wisdom
>Shinobi X
>Mystaria: The Realms of Lore
>Astal
>Shining the Holy Ark
>Die Hard Arcade
>Shining Force III
>Virtua Fighter 1 (Remix) and 2
>Virtua Cop 1 and 2
>Battle Monsters
>The Legend of Oasis
>Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean
>Deep Fear
>Last Bronx
>Magic Knight Rayearth
>Fighters Megamix
>Dragon Force

Literally all of these are great exclusives and this is literally only the games that are part of the laughable western Saturn library. Not to mention the fighting game and shooter multiplats were almost always better on Saturn. /vr/ is absolutely deluded.

>>5688096
I wouldn't call them great exclusives, just the only exclusives.I'm not an rpg fan so I wouldn't know about them.
I still have copies of Die Hard Arcade and Last Bronx, and they are mediocre at best. Die Hard Arcade lasts like 10 minutes lol the whole game.
none of those games would justify their price tag.
maybe the Panzer Dragoon ones.

>>5688087
Dark Savior? I don't think that's often mentioned in best Saturn lists.
Anyway, the other anon listed some, Panzer Dragoon II Zwei is definitely the best Saturn game and one of the best 5th gen games period.

>>5688115
>N-not those games!!
Get new material. You asked for games, and I listed them. These games were reviewed very well and still praised today. It doesnt matter that you dont like them. That's a you problem. Not a Saturn problem.

>>5688115
Wew you cherry picked 2 out of the list he gave you. kys

>>5687893
>thinking mans console
So a console for c ucks

>>5688115
Most of those aren't RPGs you ignorant retard.

>>5688096
Anyone want to aware me on the best Saturn JP only games?

>>5688069
can you please stop with this meme?
saturn emulation has been perfect on SSF for years

>>5688662
Heres some, anon.

>The Game Paradise
>Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru
>Princess Crown
>Batsugun
>Radiant Silvergun
>Saturn Bomberman Fight!!
>Bulk Slash
>Cotton 2: Magical Night Dreams
>Cotton Boomerang
>Zero Divide: The Final Conflict
>Kingdom Grand Prix
>Guardian Force
>Sakura Wars series
>Sakura Wars Columns
>Hyper Duel
>Elan Doree
>Purikura Daisakusen
>Devil Summoner
>Metal Black
>Linkle Liver Story
>Astra Superstars
>Sengoku Blade
>Elevator Action Returns
>Battle Garegga
>Groove on Fight
>Gekirindan
>Dungeons and Dragons Collection
>Super Tempo
>Black/Matrix
>Assault Suits Leynos 2
>Dragon Force 2
>Madoh Monogatari
>Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari
>Monster Slider

>>5689421
Thanks a lot dude, will check them all out and buy the ones I want.

>>5689421
>>5689640
dragon force is better than dragon force 2, and is actually the best saturn game.

>>5688096
So, basically, it’s all weeb shit.

Yeah. That’s why the console didn’t last too long.

>>5691028
take your meds bernie.

>>5688096
Isn't it a bit redundant to mention Virtua 2 and Fighters Megamix, or is the VF gameplay that different from each other?

>>5691093
Bernie did nothing wrong. He handled the piece of shit that was handed to him as good as anybody else could have.

>>5691148
"Our primary product for the next 2 years that we want you to buy is not the product we're concerned or even focusing on."

Explain how in any way, that is competent.

>>5691171
He knew the Saturn had nothing marketable to a western audience and wanted people to get hyped for their superior Dreamcast instead.

Pretty smart move if you ask me.

>>5691148
>>5691175
>getting effectively baited
Why are you so stupid, man?

nights... panzer dragoon... now THOSE were games...

>>5687893
Based.

>>5691128
They're very different, yes. Megamix plays more like Fighting Vipers with VF characters. It also has side-step from 3.

>>5688096
Nice list but did you seriously forget Bulk Slash?

>>5688096
too much jarpigshit

also why the fuck is deep fear, shinobi x and the shitty daytona port on there

>>5692426
Shinobi X is the greatest game that used digitized graphics, deep fear is a very good and respectable resident evil clone, and pretty sure he meant Daytona USA in general. And some people prefer the handling of the original the best despite lower framerate

PC is best

>>5692426
Shinobi X is debatably the best game in the series, dude. I understand the digitized grafx are initially off-putting but educate yourself.

>>5692439
What game is that?

>>5688932
Aside from the massive input lag sure.

>>5691028
>MUH FPS SHOOTAN
>MUH FOOTBALL
>MUH TUFF GUY WRPGs
We get it, you're all man, baby.

>>5692470
Panzer Crackcoon.

what is the best controller to use for Saturn emulation on PC? A used Saturn controller with a a Raphnet adapter? A retro-bit official replica? An M30?

>>5693618
>A used Saturn controller
no, a new one you've kept unopened since 1996

Is the 'game' Enemy Zero any good? Saw it today in the store, looked interesting but I am not sure.

>>5694041
:^)

>>5688021
goddamn. thats funny

>>5688096
>>5689421
you both missed Virtual On

X

Saturn batteries last like 2 weeks if it's not plugged in.

>>5697560
OP here, as I said, mine lasted 3 years. Not plugged in, either.
Also jeez, you guys sure love console wars.
Thankfully I had all 3 5th gen systems, and all of them still work. Well, except for my OG Playstation which got the laser fucked.

>>5697591
I changed mine and then stopped playing for a bit and it had died on me. It was a fresh duracel too not that dollar store shit. Both my JP and us Saturn's tho

>>5697885
Mine was a cheap dollar store shit, and it lasted 3 years.

>>5691148
He got kicked out of Sony for incompetence shortly before Sega picked him up.

>>5697560
I'm so glad none of the Saturn games I play save anything other than high scores.

>>5697898
same the only thing I lost that im kinda sad about was my mobile suit gundam save. everything else i lost was like strikers 1945 or afterburner 2 scores haha

I have never seen a Saturn in my whole 25 millenial years. I don't even think that thing was sold in beanerland

>>5697898
>>5697929
as I said in the OP, I store my saves in an official memory cart. (pro tip: don't use action replay carts for saving, they tend to wipe out saves every now and then, just use them for the extra RAM and pseudosaturn).

>>5689421
metal black and elevator action returns are both on taito memories 2 on ps2 i wouldnt pay for the saturn versions. so is gekirindan but Im sure the saturn version has vert mode so its better. I own metal black too and I say the PS2 version is way better value, thats if you only care about playing the game and not having a big saturn collection I guess

>>5697930
That is sad but also the norm in the west.

>>5697930
It did cause the master system was huge in brazil.

So we got brazilian imports (and awful brazilian bootleg games)

>>5697930
You had to be paying attention during the 1 or 2 years it was on shelves. I'm in burgerland and I remembering playing them at stores and even knew one kid who had one. But my best friend who is 2 years younger than me vaguely even knew what the thing was.

As a note, I was not impressed by the Saturn back in the 90s. The games were ugly and it had no exclusives that interested me. I love it now, but basically every game I play on it is an import.

>>5699724
Yep, as a kid it wasn't to my tastes as much as the PS1, but as an adult it's my favorite console of the generation. I hated the n64 both as a kid and now as an adult, which conveniently was the only console I had during the entire 5th generation.

Should I max out her luck?

>>5700156
for me? its the ninja.

The Sega Saturn could never be beaten

I remember as a kid I was at the local electronic appliance store in the video games section. I asked my dad if he would buy me a Sega Saturn for my Christmas because I skipped 4th gen consoles and Sega always seemed so cool. I was surprised that he actually said yes so I went back and started seriously browsing all the games I could be playing soon enough. After looking at the games I asked dad if I could have a PlayStation instead. How much did I fuck up?

>>5701907
Look at the catalogs they both received in your region and decide for yourself. I'd say you got a better deal.

>>5701907
Not at all. You won.

Just tried to play the model 1 Japanese saturn I have and it won't read disks anymore. I adjusted the pot, greased the gears, and tried a little to pull the spindle up and it doesn't even read official games, much less the burned game I have.

Just emulate? I'm not sure it is worth the effort of replacing the laser just to have it possibly work. I'm also worried about having to swap out the action replay plus everytime I adjust the potentiometer because the port feels pretty flimsy.

It is a shame because it worked a couple of months ago.

>>5702464
Speaking of that, when the h*ck are we going to get proper replica Saturns?

>>5702464
Luckily a replacement Saturn isn't too expensive these days. It seems like the disc drives are starting to fail pretty frequently on a lot of the machines now though.

>>5702489
Think I'm going to replace the laser because it is cheaper than a whole new console and as you said, another saturn could fail as well

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SEGA-Saturn-Official-White-3D-Controller-Multi-Pad-SS-Japan-Import-SC500-C/153390638178?hash=item23b6cb6462:g:OFkAAOSwXCVccBNG:sc:USPSFirstClass!78666!US!-1

Could I use this on a NA Saturn? I'm mean not that I have one at the moment anyways, my Saturn kicked the bucket a good while ago. I was planning on using this for Saturn emulation on PC since I have a Saturn to USB converter, but it'd be nice if I ever do get around to buying another Saturn.

>>5701903
>that cover art for bubble bobble
jesus christ acclaim.

>>5702617
Saturn controllers are region-free. That BIN looks a bit pricey but I'm not sure if it's worth it to you to stalk auctions for a bit and save 10-20 bucks.

What are some Saturn games with transparencies? So far I have

>burning rangers
>sonic r
>sonic 3d blast
>rayforce
>astal (I think?)

So my Saturn randomly stopped recognising game discs and thought they were audio cds. After I blew on the laser it started reading game discs properly again.

What do you think? Is the laser on its way out?

>>5702682
Darius Gaiden has 2D background transparency effects.

>>5703425
>After I blew on the laser
could have been dust like you must have imagined, don't start worrying until it happens again

>>5703425
Mine started getting laggy when it wasn't supposed to before it crapped out on me so keep an eye out for that.

The Saturn was the ultimate console for fuckwin acade ports. Gorgeous sprite art, colorful mid-90s character designs, tight and challenging gameplay. If you weren't interested in shmups, fighting games, etc, there was no reason to own it.

>>5702501
Hell yeah I got it to run official games at least. The problem is adjusting the trimpot is infintesimally small between not working and working and it won't run both burned and not burned games. The burned games you can hear the drive Rev up 3 times and then it blinks quickly and stops. How do I adjust the spindle height? Pulling on it with pliers doesn't seem to do anything. Gonna clean the laser and see if that improves it a bit. Otherwise just wait until I get that replacement laser and emulate in the mean time with the knowledge that at least the laser isn't 100 percent broken

>>5702682
NHL 98

>>5687780
>Anyway here's the weird thing: the saves are still working. I guess before it's completely dead, it deletes the internal clock first, then the saves?
This is a pretty common failure mode of battery backed save+RTC setups.
For example, my Pokemon Gold cartridge would only advance the time of day while the machine was on, but the save was still there.

This isn't 100% reliable, since if the power is too low to run the RTC, there's a chance that it dipped low enough for the save data to be damaged or destroyed.

>>5688932
It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. The important bit is that it's fast, if you've got a machine from the last 10 years, it'll work at full speed, 480i fighting games possibly excluded.
still, it was pissing me off quite a bit when I was writing a game for the machine -- pretty much no emulator actually handles the fact that VDP1 is retardedly fucking slow, so shit that works like a charm in SSF can run like ass on the Saturn because lol fillrate
has a few other issues too (2 player in Virtual On flickers like a motherfucker)

>try and start magic knight rayearth for first time
>takes like 40 minutes to get to some gameplay
The blond glasses one is cute though, too bad the game cucks you right off the bat with the green haired guy.

>>5703771
>when I was writing a game for the machine
You're writing programs for Saturn?

Saturn controller feels so fucking good bros, it just makes me want to play video games.

>>5703771
>For example, my Pokemon Gold cartridge would only advance the time of day while the machine was on, but the save was still there.
Sounds about right, the same thing happened to me with Gold, it kept saving for a while until it eventually died off for good.
It's kind of nice that this happened because it gave me a chance to save the data I still hadn't transferred to the memory cart.
Much better than sudden "whoops, all your stuff is gone!"

Feel like I really need the 3D controller for Burning Rangers. I just beat the second stage but I actually ended up dying several times.

Saturn batteries last half and hour. Which is no problem if you change the battery every 30 minutes. I do that a few times a night when the system isnt on. Best game panzer dragon 2. But actually tekken on ps1 is better.

>>5702682
Keio Flying Squadron 2
Speed Kings
Dragon Ball Z Legend

>>5705908
>But actually tekken on ps1 is better.
No, Panzer Dragoon 2 is the better game.
But if you want to play 3D fighting games, VF2>Tekken

>>5705067
>You're writing programs for Saturn?
Yeah. Jo-Engine is really easy to use.
https://www.jo-engine.org/
It sets up a pretty standard C development environment, has model converters and a thing for generating VDP2 background data.
My only major gripe using it is that it uses plain integers in a lot of places where it really should be using fixed point numbers (like the SGL functions it's calling behind the scenes), so a bunch of functions lose a bunch of precision for no good reason.

>>5706239
The battery stuff didn't tip you off that it's a funpost?

>>5705139
Hey I recognize that chest!

I feel that way about the 3D controller and Nights.

Are there any differences between playing the girl and the guy in Burning Rangers? Like access to different civilians to rescue, or different routes through a stage?

>>5691148
No he didn’t. I worked at an Electronics Boutique in the 90s and I can tell you he squandered the potential that the system had. It wasn’t selling N64 or PSX numbers but it WAS beating the 16 bit consoles. Demand was high for Saturn content, why do you think we started importing games? People WANTED JRPGs, Bernie HATED JRPGs. Part of the reason retailers hated Sega was because they basically neglected us of Saturn games to sell. Sure, maybe KB Toys or Kmart were shaky with Sega, but us gaming focused outlets wanted to support it. It could’ve become a somewhat successful console but make no mistake Bernie killed it.

dats raycis...

>You'll never settle down with a nice girl with her own set of head rings.

>tfw think bug and bug 2 look kind of fun but can't bring myself to play it because I have an unreasonable bias against western games

>3D Blast special stages actually use the 3D controller in a weird but interesting way

>>5712217
what games actually made use of the 3d controller?

>>5712224
Not too many.
https://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/sega-saturn/tic,6/ti,289/

>>5712238
>saturn bomberman
what

>>5688096
Gunbird is great too

Man they totally fucked the graphics in the PS2 remake of NiGHTs, what the fuck. I've heard people say that before, but I never really never believed it until now since I just played on Saturn emulation and the Steam version back to back. The "Saturn" version contained in the Steam release looks completely different, like all lighting effects are just completely gone.

It's also kind of weird that I can't go into option and choose wide screen mode for the "Saturn" version, but w/e. Tbh I can't even spot the difference between normal and wide on the actual Saturn version to begin with.

>>5712261
Early Psikyo games suck

>>5712716
nah dude.

>>5687780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXYdE6eOWNY