/vr/ - Retro Games

Does "Chance of finding magic items" also affect chance to get yellow/brown rarity items?

Wife is gone all week on a work trip.

Going to get Diablo/Hellfire off gog tonight and relive the good old days.

I'm thinking rouge for a smooth playthrough.

not retro

>>5687031

>1996
>Not retro

>>5686986
Yes. It says Magic Find but it affects magic (blue), rare (yellow), unique (gold/brown), and set (green). Also it decreases chance of finding bases (white, grey for ethereal) obviously since they're more likely to roll magic.

finishing hell just burns me out from wanting to touch the game again.

>>5687031
back to your shitholle resetera tranny

>>5687590
>reset era
>tranny
have you been living under a rock anon? it's all pedophiles there now.

For that anon who can't find high runes.

>>5687648
Just like 4chan.

>>5686986
yep. look up MrLlamaSC's Guide to MF on youtube for a detailed explanation.
Pic related shows how much MF% affects drop rates. The most important is the first 100MF and after 200MF it suffers diminishing returns.
Best thing you can do is slap some topaz into slotted helms and body armor near the start of the game and go from there.
There's a low lvl dagger call Gull that has 100% MF that might be worth trying to get.

How do you bug Andariel again?
You just talk to Warriv without talking to anyone else, get to act 2 and log out of the game... right?
I'm never sure if I've done it right or not.

>had Diablo II for a few years but never beaten the game before
>see the last thread. redownload and make a Druid
>set /players to 3, decent challenge but incredible items
>yellow socketed armor, yellow helm, yellow boots, brown gloves
>tfw just made my first rune word (Steel for a flail)
sorry for the blog but this may end up becoming my favorite game ever with enough time

>>5688268
nice one dude, glad you're having fun. i'm the same... diablo 2 is always a game i come back to every 3 or 4 years for a bit of a holiday from other games. each time I find myself staying longer and longer.

>>5688242
YouTube killrobplays. He made a guide on it.

do you like diablo 1 or 2 more?

Started up D2 after several years break, including D3 (I can't really go back to that garbage), playing solo player. What's up with the CPU bug that causes a thread to run at 100%? Thankfully at diabloii.net there is a fix for that as part of their little single player mod/RWM, but you can't play on bnet with that (not that I want to deal with bots and d2jsp again).

>>5688469
1 is better

>>5688469
I love Diablo I for the gloomy atmosphere and the descent into a single dungeon to hell. It gets darker and darker until you beat the bad guy at the end, and then it turns out you didn't. It's quotable, the few characters you meet give you enough to learn about them without being overbearing. I guess the biggest drawback is that it's slow, but that never really bothered me.
Diablo II's totally rad though. As much as I dislike the characters throughout most of the game changing every act, the mechanical depth, character options, and gameplay options are off the fucking charts insane. Seven classes, runewords, crafting, holy grail runs, min-maxing absurdity, the beautiful 3dfx Glide rendering, the SUPERB surround sound that I highly recommend everyone try with a supported sound card at least once, jumping from patch to patch piecemeal as a "time traveler," there is just so much to do in Diablo II. If you actually have six or seven friends you can have the most absurd LAN party in a demon-slaying slot machine.
I don't really like the potion chugging in the first two, which I guess Path of Exile and Diablo III offered all right alternatives, but that's about all I'll give them.
I honestly want to make a Diablo sort of game that mechanically and thematically hits a good midpoint between Diablo I and II, but I have no idea where I'd start, especially given how many homages, clones, and knock-offs there already are.

>>5688469
2. It's just deeper mechanically. I think a lot of the appeal of 1 is simply that 2 didn't exist at that point. It's a great game, I hellmoded all three classes, and being on the ps1, the targeting system was dope despite not being mouse-powered. But I was done when I was done, and I still play d2 regularly. There's just more of it.

>>5687019
>Diablo/Hellfire off gog
Nice

>>5687031
Good to see you, man.

Two things

First, which merc is the best for hammerdin? And why doesn't the hammerdin damage increase with tearhaunch boots despite the +2 vigor? Is that a bug?

>>5688758
Synergies require hardpoints, which means you have to put skillpoints directly into vigor for it to count toward the synergy bonus.

>>5688578
you just described torchlight my man.

also fuck diablo 3 and fuck poe

>>5688817
>torchlight
art style and theme makes me wanna vomit.

>>5688819
its indeed cringy WoWesque, but it improved so much on the diablo 2 formula

>>5688827
I only ever played the first, have you tried the sequel? Any good?

>>5688808
So any +skill item has to be universal to increase the damage?

>>5688869
Hardpoints are skills you directly press the button to gain. Softpoints are from items that give +skills in any fashion g.e. +1 to bone spear or +2 all skills.

Synergies only apply from directly investing points yourself.

Speaking or Diablo 1. Does the melee/magic Rogue have any semblence of viability, or is the concept retarded from the start? I kinda want to try something outside of the box. One thing I find interesting in D1 is that it gives you much more leeway in developing your char compared to D2. I just don't know how viable some of the crazy builds will be.

>>5688914
Surely anything is possible if you chug enough stat potions?

>>5688914
You have to luck out and get above average weapon drops. Game is designed such that warrior always attacks much faster than the rogue in melee and nothing can change that.

>>5688914
How exactly does Diablo give you more leeway? Your only decisions are which character and attribute distribution, and the former greatly limits the later.

>>5688972
Still, I can at least attempt to play a magic Rogue, for better or for worse. Try to play ranged Paladin or a sword-wielding Amazon in D2. In D2 you are limited by both skills and attributes.

>>5688979
The same applies to Diablo 2. It is pretty trivial to beat the game through hell as a ranged paladin, and only a tiny bit difficult as a swordzon. In Diablo 2, you are only limited by your understanding of the game mechanics, with a high enough interest just about anything can be viable. And at least in Diablo 2 it sort of makes sense to play characters in these ways, for example a meleenecro can at least complement his attacks with curses and corpse explosion. In Diablo, you are just crippling yourself for the sake of distinction if you play anything except the given archetype of each character.

>>5688979
>>5688987
killrobplays deliberately did playthroughs with shitty builds proving this. Really quite enjoyable to see the work to a degree.

>>5688979
>Try to play ranged Paladin
I have. It was a blast.

>>5688993
>>5688995
>>5688979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEpGyXu4kz4

I'm gonna put money on you being a metafag sorc shitter.

>>5688996
>we are going to use holy fire as our offensive aura, triggering people and shit
kek

>>5688758
Nightmare Defensive (Holy Freeze) is nice, because it slows the mobs to keep them bunched up longer.
Or you could go Defiance aura for more defense.
None of the others really do much for you.

>>5689061
to add, you could also try something different like runeword auras on an Act 1 merc or Act 5 merc.

who /original diablo/ here?

>>5687648
Gays are pedophiles.

>>5688469

The first one.

Better atmosphere and art direction. More difficult, and positioning and strategy matter more.

D2 managed to have more monster variety, while at the same time skills made the variety matter less. The levels are so big that you can run around mobs. It's not like D1 where you might get trapped by acid spitters and spend the next ten minutes having to pick them off one by one.

That said, D2 I more rewarding as a loot slot machine and has a much better end game, with the higher difficulties having more content.

8 player D2 is great fun. D1 is the only one I enjoy single player though.

Too bad D3 was cartoony shit. They should have stuck with the horror action rpg style of 1.

>>5688469
Until I played both again recently I would have said D1, but now it's clear that it's D2. D1 has atmosphere but that's about it. D2 is far superior in combat complexity, enemy AI/variety, build diversity, and general loot.

Official D2 nationality awards:

>nicest players
Germany

>meanest players
Russia

>worst players
Phillipines

>most obnoxious players
China

>best players
Poland

>>5689583
>Poland being good at something.
Good one.
With regards, a Pole.

if you never did a gambling only or naked run youre shit

5687238
Imagine being this mad for getting banned for acting like an imbecile.

>>5689510
I don't mind the cartoony shit of D3. I do mind that the game is so streamlined it literally makes character building braindead. It makes most the character choices for you. Where are the attributes, where are the skill trees? I feel as if the game is treating me like an idiot.

>>5689602
>good hosts
>can hold their liquor
>loyal companions
>make good sausages
>fun to do petty crimes with
All you need.
With regards, a German.

>>5689512

That's what I mean by D2 having better end game content. Your character keeps developing in nightmare. High level gear makes for some interesting combinations.

But the map is way to big and empty. So solo play is a slog.

Then, the later patches totally fucked up balance. You need elite gear that takes hundreds or runs to find to get a decent melee character, while a CE necro can run a lot of hell with no items.

D1 obviously doesn't have much character development. But, since it's much shorter, you can play it on ironman like a rougelike.

D2 players skills can have synergy with each other, but due to the open maps and fast speed, you basically just play on your own.

4 player D1, you'll actually have your warriors tanking doorways, while a rouge picks off select enemies and the sorcerer can hit enemies with AOE spells like firewall and chain lightning.

>get set item
>don't get very hyped
>sell it, doubting I'll ever find another item in the same set
>mfw get another item in the same set 5 minutes later
How do I wake up from the nightmare

Are there any new diablo 2 mods in development aside from median xl? I'm feeling an itch for d2 but vanilla is just way too boring for me and I already played most of the good classic mods like zyel, eastern sun or just about anything developed prior to like 2010.

>>5689834
There aren't any good sets besides Tals and Trangs

>>5690037
Immortal King is no good?

>>5689834
You have an infinite stash so why not just keep them?

>>5690119
unmodded solo play

>>5690129
And where did that get you? Into a nightmare. Install plugY.

>>5686924

>>5690047
Yeah I guess

>>5689583
wracaj na lol-1 marynarzyk

>>5690137
all that shit is obviously fake and written specifically to trigger all of /v/'s typical shitposting points
get the fuck out with that bait

>>5690135
Don't cheat until you've cleared Hell

>>5690129
cringe

>>5690205
Speak for yourself.

>>5690230
Get plugy then. It's too late for those set pieces now anyway

>>5690161
>obviously fake

blizzard employee detected

Are there any advantages to using the vanilla D2 with Atma/GoMule instead of PlugY?

>>5690272
Dude, all of that shit is literally a rehash of old bad maneuvers by Blizzard. I'm not going to fucking believe anyone that says they're going to redo the tired "Void" cliche with D4, and everything else ("no white males") is literally written specifically to get /pol/tards like you into full shitposting mode on every board.

None of that shit is retro anyway, so go fuck yourself.

>>5690274
Plugy will very rarely corrupt a character, gomule won't. Only happened once during my whole grail collection. You'll see youtubers crying about it every now and then cause they're too braindead to backup.

>>5690274
Oh and plugy makes loading and save/exit screen take longer with a massive amount if items. Can be worth it to move the plugy stash file out while doing your LK runs. Or just use gomule.

>>5689834
Get an infinite stash mod.
And ignore the other guy, a lot of sets have useful set bonuses and are great early-mid game gear. Just throw away Cathan's, it drops all the time but is useless as tits on a bull

>>5689834
Literally any set item besides 3/4 of Griswold's set, IK armor and Mavina's diadem is easy to get.

Out of those 5, 4 suck shit and are novelty (Griswold's) or straight Charsi food (M'avinas).

What are some unconventional runewords worth checking out /vr/?

>>5690561
Depends on your character. Unconventional for one character can be the norm for others.

>>5690561
Dual wield two Rift as a frenzy barb. Always wanted to try that. Couple it with a Bone.

>>5689746
I refuse to believe someone is actually arguing that Diablo is the superior multiplayer game, which features friendly fire and has no experience sharing, and in a system where everything you are describing as an example of teamwork is just unnecessary bullshit you are tacking on while in reality a sorcerer would just run in and blow everything up in two spell casts while tanking infinite damage by drinking fifty gallons of mana per second. And Diablo is a million times faster paced than Diablo 2, the sorcerer casts at like 4 fucking frames with no equipment, whereas in Diablo 2 the absolute fastest you can get with top gear is 7 frames. The only reason you associate a fast pace with Diablo 2 over 1 and why you consider it to be the better multiplayer experience is because it is incredibly short, making efficient gameplay needless, whereas Diablo 2's greatly enhanced difficulty, multiplayer scene and level sizes strongly encourage players to consider taking up better gameplay strategies.

>>5690561
Call to Arms in a bow.

>>5690561
Fortitude weapon. You can put it in anything with 4 sockets.

>>5690561
Oath is one of my personal favorites. Only 4 runes and there are a lot of great options for the base, plus it grants Indestructible without needing a Zod.
An ethereal scourge with an Oath in it is insane. particularly on a Zealot. It may not be as good as a Grief, but it's a hell of a lot easier to make.

found this. thoughts? not a bad low lvl weapon for a melee druid, or nah?

>>5691180
Amplify is nice but pretty low odds. Damage is pretty weak. Could do better

>>5691183
yeah that's what I thought, but I figured with the +20 max damage, the amp damage, +1 shapeshift isnt bad for a lv20 weapon.
i might save it anyway just for some fun.

Anyone actually beat hell with a meterorb? I'm starting to think it's a meme. I have one but I only farm hell meph with her now. Everytime I try I get my shit pushed in at Act 4, even on player 1.

>>5691204
I did, act 4 and parts of act 5 suck dick.
just teleport past as much as you can, stack resistances, make sure you have max resists and decent FHR.
i've been tempted to try putting 1 point into energy shield since I heard that it stops shield blocks from proccing.

>>5691204
i did earlier this month m8

>>5691210
although, i did farm nm meph and andy for pretty good gear before going through hell

>>5691204
learn to walk instead of run and pull mobs off the edge of the screen one at a time and separate them further with slows and teleport
basically kite stuff
also don't neglect your merc

Is diablo II the most replayable game in history? I swear to god i'm playing at least two three hours of it every week since it came out. I dread to think how much of my life i spent playing it

>>5691221
>also don't neglect your merc
This. Good tanky gear, lots of lifesteal, capped resists and a strong weapon like Obedience in a good base is a must for your merc.
He'll bunch shit up for you to AoE to death in relative safety.

>>5691232
All I know is that I tried a lot of clones and I always come back to Diablo 2.

>>5691232
I still play CS 1.6 and Half life. D2 is 3rd for me

>>5690272
It's a larp. I can tell from some of the pixels and from reading quite a few compelling story arcs in my time.

just here to say FUCK MAGGOT LAIR,FUCK ARCANE SANCTUARY AND FUCK SPIDER JUNGLE,GREAT MARSH AND FLAYER JUNGLE

>>5691657
arcane sanctuary is great, looks cool, has those fun teleporters and at least you can attack over the edges unlike the maggot lair. Completely agree on the other shitholes though and would add in the Flayer Dungeon and the Kurast Sewers, they're both aids.

>>5691657
i hate the maggot lair, but i've always like the arcane sanctuary and act iii as a whole has grown on me a lot since i started playing since it has so much variance

what's your favorite character anons?

>disliking act III
fucking casuals

>>5691863
Flayer Dungeon and Sewers are fucking nasty though.

>>5691863
Act 3 is objectively the best act. It poses the biggest challenges, great monster variety, some of the best farming spots in the game, has highly randomized levels that make the act feel different every play and is the only act with more than one permanent quest bonus.

Imagine being such a cuck that you pretend to like Act 3 to sound cool.

>>5692162
I love the hordes of little Flayers, great corpse explosion fun.

The town layout in Act III is unbearable

>>5692230
So is A2 and A5.

>>5692248
A5 is literally perfect.

>>5686924
>first run on normal
>axe warrior getting buttfucked at lvl 14
>sword drops at weapon rack
>"dont think its gonna be useful but i might try"
>grandfather
>fucked everything up with it
still dont know how did i get it

>>5692337
Thought you were talking about D2 for a second there and was about to blow a gasket. Yeah the grandfather in D1 was great. Though I always found it strange it was no longer a Katana in D2.

>>5692358

It's ok for a play through. It's 80% ED and no block.

Anything with haste is still better because it lets you stun lock witches and councilors.

Best for most builds is always going to be king's sword of haste. I never found one but I've found multiple king's maces of haste, which are almost as good.

If you actually grind through to level 50 then a king's axe or sword of vampires + heal + crown of spirits means you can probably clear hell/hell without going back to town but based on being able to cast heal over and over.

High level D1 I pretty lame. It's best enjoyed just doing a playthrough with friends once each character.

>>5692427
Ive never done high level D1 bar once when I was a kid. These days I just enjoy it for a comfy play through once every 6 months or so.

>>5690650

The only way a sorcerer is dropping everything is with hacks or being ridiculously over leveled. You're not going to level up fireball that high off the books you find in one game.

And you're not getting fireball and chain lightning until halfway through. Plus the damage isn't great until you get several books.

Friendly fire is optional.

D2 everyone uses the exact same skills and runs around in circles.

The only effective tanking in the open empty maps is from the necromancer, who can lay down a blob of targets.

lucky find

What the fuck. I'm done finding overpowered stuff, I'll just play this game later

>>5692080
>ome of the best farming spots in the game
only thing that saves act 3 to be honest but it's not as bad as act 4. only 3 quests in effectively 3 zones, i mean c'mon.
did they run out of time and skip making half of act 4 on purpose or were they just pretending to be retarded?

>>5692230
>>5692248
>>5692289
Act 1
>everything is decently close to each other
>town has open plan
>exit can spawn on 3 sides
>nice music

Act 2
>merc hire is a bit out of the way
>scrolls NPC is a bit out of the way
>waypoint is a little out of the way
>access to 2 dungeons right from town
>heal NPC & shop is right next to your stash, as is cain
>nice music

Act 3
>merc hire is really out of the way
>thaw pots and antidotes are out of the way
>repair NPC is out of the way
>everything else is really close
>except if you die the respawn is a short run
>shit music and rain sound gets annoying after a while

Act 4
>small boi
>has everything you need in 1 or 2 screens worth of area
>speedrunners and LK runners fucking love this town
>kinda boring though for a grand fortress of Heaven on the edge of Hell
>no music and ambient lava/wind sound gets annoying after a while

Act 5
>stash is right on the waypoint
>2 NPCs close to there too
>Cain and merc hire are a bit out of the way though
>access to a great endgame farming dungeon from within town
>snows occasionally, comfy as fuck
>nice music

>>5693030
>did they run out of time and skip making half of act 4
Yes, it was supposed to be a full-length act. There is actually quite a bit of stuff that ended up getting cut due to time constraints in the months leading up to release.

>>5693137
That sucks
Pity there's no mods either that add a couple more zones and some other shit rather than it being Chaos Sanctuary: the movie the game

>>5693253
I'd rather this than over 9000 shit drop mods

Bard class any good in D1?

>>5692924
wish they let you play a male sorcerer in d2,being a sorcerer nigga in d2 is one of my dreams

>>5692831
Holy fuck literally everything in this post is wrong; friendly fire from Sorcerer spells is not optional and in general any character casting a Chain Lightning or Fireball too close to another player is liable to kill them; fuck, even Rogues firing at mobs shoot their friends if they stand in the crossfire, regardless of player option.
Sorcerer becomes king of damage output halfway through Catacombs;
and as for Diablo 2, there's so many effective methods of tanking in the game (beefy Valkyries and Decoys, Werebear Shockwave spamming, Barbarian Warcry spamming or just simply being optimized for massive life and block) and you are also projecting your own inability to make anything but a barebones summoner or meteorb by saying everyone in D2 uses "the same skills".

>>5693253
>Pity there's no mods either that add a couple more zones and some other shit
Aftermath and Netherworld Rises expand act 4, although they are also around a thousand times more difficult than CLoD.

>>5693665
>being a sorcerer nigga in d2 is one of my dreams

>>5693698
This.
Hell a Barb with maxxed Leap never gets hit by anything. You can just infinitely stun lock & push mobs off of the screen and they can never get close to you

>>5693939
I recall an amusing stream where a guy and seven others ran the entire game (incl Tristram) fresh, and one Barbarian's entire job was to hop around everywhere, stunning mobs.

It worked too.

>>5693698

There is a little PVP button at the bottom of the screen. If it's turned off, players can't hurt eachother.

Default, it is turned off. Retard.

>>5694391
>can't hurt eachother
You are the retard, because they CAN. All splash damage effects work on your allies and if you are on the path of, say, a Rogue's hail of arrows, even if she's aiming specifically for a monster, you are liable to get killed. It's literally explained in the post you're quoting.

Go try D1 as a Warrior with a Rogue buddy. Try closing in on a Goat Archer at the end of a narrow Catacomb corridor while another player fires from behind your back. Many arrows will, in fact, hit you, regardless of whether the button is pressed or not.

All the "PvP button" does is make it so that when you press it, left-clicking another player makes you perform an autoattack against them (if applicable). I've done months of Sorcerer clan PvP and I've often seen it advocated to actually turn the PvP OFF because Fireballs can still hit your target and you avoid accidentally left-clicking someone (for example by misclicking when you meant to walk past them), locking your Sorcerer in his agonizingly slow autoattack animation. This can even be technically advisable for Rogue PvP because a lot of players don't bother firing if they're not holding down Shift.

The PvP button doesn't do what you think it does. Retard.

>>5693936
I'm not exactly the world's #1 fan of blacks but yeah, this guy is such a dawg

>>5694391
I've done just a couple games of multi d1 on bnet, but that's all it took to learn that full melee is the ONLY way to avoid killing your friends.

>>5694416

Nigga I played like a 1000 hours of D1. You're the retard.

You clearly haven't played online.

>>5694427

It really isn't.

You just need to aim. It's what makes positioning far less mindless than D2.

The goal is for ranged players to take the flanks and to pick off as many mobs as possible before they get to the warrior.

D1 requires some sort of team play. You can't just blast CL because it will kill your party.

D2 I just 4-8 people spamming.

>>5694391
>>5694439
>PvP button makes players unable to hurt each other and if you say otherwise you are a retard
>>5694447
>You just need to aim and you won't kill anyone!
Get the fuck out of this thread

>>5694451

>Hurrr I should just be able to light an entire area up with fire walls and lightning but my warrior can walk straight through it and tank!

So basically team play is irrelevant and it's about spamming your two best skills on an open map.

It's plenty easy to avoid other players with a rouge. The game is a fucking grid system. Have your warrior on point and then shift over a single lane. Boom. Fixed.

I managed this when I played the game in 97 when I was 10 bro.

>>5694460
Holy shit that reddit spacing. Jesus H Christ, kill yourself faggot.

Anyone else here watch Dbrunski125 human bot project videos?

>>5694464
Nah I'm not gay.

>>5694464
>human bot project
>also known as "standard holy grail farming"

>>5694460
>So basically team play is irrelevant and it's about spamming your two best skills on an open map.
Doesn't fucking matter, stop distracting from the issue that you literally called everyone retarded and denied the fact that the game has a permanent friendly fire mechanic, you fucking idiot. You're backpedalling on your own words.

It especially puts a shade on your uneducated opinions about D2, because party play in that game can still be rendered safer or more efficient if everyone knows what they're doing and if they mix their abilities, and Necros don't have a monopoly on "effective" tanking either, but you wouldn't know that! Just like you don't know anything about either game!

Everyone in this thread is now dumber because you're such a colossal fucking turd. Go run Nightmare Lower Kurast for the millionth time.

>>5694474
>Go run Nightmare Lower Kurast for the millionth time.

does anyone use cactus?

how sought after are +life skillers?

>>5694451
>>5694475
rekt

>>5694460
people don't play diablo for the "team play"

they play to grind for hours for that one hit of dopamine in the form of a cham rune

>>5694447
>It's what makes positioning far less mindless than D2.

It's worth repeating that the developers of D1 were trying to make a roguelike at first, which is why things like positioning mattered more. When they realized how braindead the playerbase was becoming, they removed things like friendly fire and did their best to dumb things down.

People really can't handle simple things like lane changes.

>>5694474
dude chill

>>5694903
>did their best to dumb things down.
which is why D2 has a fuckton of character build combinations available, a richer loot system and a much steeper entrance fee to go to Hell difficulty and why the go-to level grinding builds D1 classes all were about stacking magic because even a Warrior outfitted to spam Chain Lightning was a faster leveller than a Warrior wearing actual BiS Warrior gear until around level 44

>>5694850
probably depends on a lot on the skill tree in question, i'd imagine any underused or defensively oriented skill tree is worth a lot less

>>5694850
range from worthless to end game gg. What's the skill?

>>5694927

It also had less soul.

And being good wasn't about positiong and pulling mobs bit by bit or using terrain, "good" is all about maxing gear.

Not to mention that initial synergies, when the game was already old, most of the skills were fucking useless.

>>5695067
>still reddit posting this hard
Why do you do it? It looks awful, takes up too much page space and is annoying to read. You're spacing literally 5 words apart like they're paragraphs...and stop spacing between the post number and first line. Respect the board culture or fuck off.

>>5695072
Because you fuckers always fall for it and start sperging

See? ;)

It's effortless.

>>5695072
Why do you keep spamming the same 4-5 reaction images in every thread? Are you too lazy to get more or what?

>>5695072
>Spacing is Reddit
>Opinions are Reddit
>Everything I don't like is Reddit

Honestly, it's more fun to watch you roil over something like spacing.

"""Board culture"""? I don't know dipshit, we're being argumentative and not actually talking about video games which seems pretty fucking par for the /vr/ course.

>>5694850
>>5694937
Yeah.
skillers with random life from offensive skill trees range around 15-50fg on ladder d2jsp
a pcomb 45 is around 1200fg though.

>>5695102
cause they're toward the top of my folder and I'm lazy, no other reason. I suppose you are right though, I probably should use some of the other 1000 images I have saved. But I won't, just because you got mad about it.

>>5695102

>>5695067
>soul
Go fuck yourself. This argument has no place in any discussion. There's nothing worth arguing about here - it's just your deeply entrenched belief that means whatever the fuck you want it to mean.
>And being good wasn't about positiong and pulling mobs bit by bit or using terrain, "good" is all about maxing gear.
After you've done fucked yourself, go play solo self-found instead of leeching off hammerdin bots. You can do that with any class. Since D2 has no real defined end-game, the definition of your goal is nebulous. For some it's a full grail, for some it's an Uber Tristram kill (something that you can fucking do with a Smiter wearing Normal and Nightmare-tier difficulty items), for some it's PvP and for some it's just killing Hell Baal untwinked.
>Not to mention that initial synergies
What initial synergies? You mean vanilla Diablo 2, when there weren't any, and the game was even more open for any fuckery you can think about and you were allowed to pretty much use anything? Naked Sorceress could beat Nightmare with just Firebolt. Or do you mean current D2LoD, where synergies still somehow allow you to make 2-3 Hell-viable builds for every class -- and that's on an absolute budget?

D2LoD doesn't even have any "gear checks". There are no enrage timers or unbeatable enemies with insane health regen, absolutely nothing that warrants massing up gear other than your own satisfaction. Extrapolate this into D1 where gear also turned Hell/Hell into a trivial matter and where many BiS items were droppable from Normal bosses. For some reason you don't play D1 as a loot treadmill (even though there's plenty of ways to trivialize the game with twinked gear and min-maxing) but you insist on doing so in D2 and you claim that it's the fault of D2 and not you making the game unfun for yourself. All the while bringing up your spiritual beliefs and misinformation on every single turn.

Equip a knife, unclick your PvP button and then click on yourself repeatedly.

>>5695072

Respect board culture.

You realize Reddit spacing was made up as a meme right?

Go look at screen shots from 03-07.

People break their thoughts up

With


Lines.

>>5695172
>People break their thoughts up

this >>5695067

Is not thoughts being broken up, it's nothing but retardation.

>>5695126
>u mad xD

Typical redditor.

>>5695204

>>5694464
Yeah, it's interesting seeing the drop odds, especially on the hipster bosses like Thresh.

>>5687019
>work trip
>wife getting pumped full while you play your little games

lmao @ u

cool

Firebolt is nice for not killing your buddies.

For a first time Diablo 1 play, do you recommend vanilla (I buyed the gog version), Belzeebub, or The Hell / The Hell 2 modded versions? also pros and cons of each one of those? thanks!

>>5695072
>muh Reddit spacing

You newfags really will try anything to look like oldfags. We had the enter key back in 2003 you mong.

>>5695631
I'm not complaining about paragraphs nor the spacing naturally being used when telling a story, you stupid fuck.

D2 perspective ON or OFF? How do you play?

>>5695684

So you
Say

But

I do not

Believe
You.

>>5695751
why

>>5695749
I've played without it for so long that it just feels weird now.

>>5695626

Not him, but which mod would you try first. I've only played the old as fuck LOTR mod. I haven't played Diablo in years so one somewhat close to the original feel would be best.

Will you faggots ever stop your autistic shitflinging?

Anyone here played the Curse of Tristram mod?

>>5695626
are you retarded? Who the literal fuck plays a heavily modded version of a game without experiencing the base game first?

>>5695797
>Curse of Tristram mod?
Is that the one for starcraft? Dude put a lot of effort into that.

>>5695804
>Is that the one for starcraft?
StarCraft 2 engine, yes.

>>5687648
That was a wild goose chase, the fag claimed he was about to bust open a CP ring, then it was revealed that it was literally just some guys who had shared some sadpanda links on discord.

>>5688469
I kinda like 1 better.

If Blizzard gave you the chance of doing a final big mod a la LoD/RoS for Diablo III how would you save it /vr/? You still need to build on the foundation of the game tho

I just got the Hell. Is there a guide anywhere? 26 classes and a perk system is overwhelming when I don't really get what the classes do.

Also, does the balance get a bit better later? I started with a warrior. Ran into a unique that healed as fast as I could damage it and died.

I was more cautious the second time, but the uniques still pop up CONSTANTLY and they take forever to die.

I peel off all the other mobs and then sit there for like 2 minutes just swinging away to kill it.

The running is a huge improvement though.

>>5696078
Increased stash size and make it accessible through out all your characters on your account and increased gold stash limit to eliminate muleing.

>>5696078
I'd use it as a smokescreen to Timothy McVeigh their entire office so that they can finally stop raping these games.

what the shit
this is why it's okay to be a crafter

>>5695797
I really really enjoyed the shitflinging.

>>5696078
I don't give a damn about games like d3 with cartoony warhammer knockoff art but for d2 you can always just expand a little on the existing assets, like
>multitab but not infinite account stash
>more act 4
>power up the other mercs besides fucking muhammad and make some new endgame runewords (even just variants on the popular concepts) available for them
>maybe add another 1 or 2 expensive runewords with teleport
>add a few slightly higher affixes for rare and magic to make them more viable

>>5695491
the thot gets her dicking while the anon gets to play in peace, it's the best of both worlds desu senpai

>>5696078
Plugy and anon's unofficial v1.15 patch.

I've killed NM Andariel and Diablo literally 100's of times and only ever get 3 rares and a blue.

>>5696312
i got plenty of good drops off of nm andy and meph. i never farmed diablo

>>5696317
yea i dont waste my time with him anymore unless I want exp from the Chaos Sanctuary.
I've literally never gotten anything good to actually drop from him, he always has a habit of only dropping blues or the odd rare.

>>5696309
>anon's unofficial v1.15 patch
?

Fuck, Andariel's drops have gotten so bad that just now she only dropped a single pair of rare boots.

>>5696328
a few threads ago an anon took ideas from us in the thread and made his own balance patch. buffing useless uniques/sets/runewords, adjusting OP ones, increasing some useless areas to lv85 so they're worth farming in etc.
he posted a download link last thread.

>>5696332
what /player level are you on?

>>5696351
3
blows my mind that once upon a time people farmed so many fucking SoJ off of her that it became a currency.
not to mention you have to sell SoJ to an NPC on battle.net for a tiny chance to spawn Diablo Clone.
I've literally only seen 1 SoJ in like 20 years of playing this fucking game.

Well I managed to recover my char to lvl 78 from 82. Lost nice rare merc armor, a few mid runes, an essence, my obedience base, Natalias set boots, Stealth runeword whatever is up from a light plate and a Necro skiller ammy.
Not to mention perfect towerl and LK maps.
I swear I've had this gear since like normal, get a bunch of great gear w in a few levels and poof

>>5696362
hahaha imagine being this lootlet

>>5696360
you'll get it eventually. i got two from her a month or so ago before i got my fucking tal's ammy, then found another randomly in hell.

>>5696360
I don't know if this is a reassurance but sojs did not become currency because of andariel.

Before LoD came out the gambling rules were a bit strange and there was 1/30 odds of gambling a unique. If you had manald and nagel already, every unique ring roll would be a soj- mule it and repeat. To add to this, there were a few privately-known dupe methods which leaked over time and were fixed. But people would just fill up mules full of sojs.

When blizzard introduced code to kill dupes in 1.10, they pointedly ignored sojs. Instead they introduced dclone to be a soj sink. Typical Blizz bullshit of ignoring and even rewarding certain types of cheating.

>>5695491
The projected insecurity and cuck fantasy is strong with this one. Thanks for sharing, you pathetic dicklet.

>>5696332
I got 3 TPs and a blue polearm from Duriel. Only.

>>5696524
duriel always drops lots of TPs and total trash though.

>>5696409
ah so that's how it worked. I knew about the nagel/manald thing but I thought people were just running thousands of Andariels with both of those in their inventory to guarantee a SoJ drop, plus the usual botting and duping.

i always thought of gambling as totally garbage outside of getting high lvl amulets for crafting.

>>5696565
>keep in their inventory
That has never done anything. Ever as far as I know. Where did this meme come from?

>>5696596
You must first activate the Perfect Gem in the battle.net chat for this to work.

How many people here like playing Belzebub?

>>5688657
>rouge
>smooth playthrough

That's a yikes. If your not a sorcerer your doing it wrong.

>>5687019
Rogue won't be the easiest, but also not the hardest, she's decent at fighting and decent at magic, casting faster than Warrior. Make sure to put some points in Magic and to learn many levels of of powerful spells like Lightning and Fireball.
I was almost gonna say to learn a lot of levels of Firebolt, but you don't need that because you have a bow.

>>5695491
Do you think a lot about things like that anon?

>>5696650
Sorcerer is obviously the absolute MVP because he can be such a mad cunt spellcaster, but that can also make the game too easy.
There's an appeal in playing the games in more challenging ways.

>>5696650
Rogue has the smoothest playthrough; supereasy management of resources (compared to Sorcerer who at least very early on has to be at least somewhat conservative with his stuff), easy Butcher/Leoric, and is just comfortably mid-tier all throughout the journey.

>>5696654
Y'know, I'll concede that, Sorc is a bit slow in the start.

>>5696650
I bet you play sorc in D2. You deserve a bullet.

>>5696662
there's literally nothing wrong with playing whatever you want in a video game. leave the house sometime retard.

>>5696669
>"If your not a sorcerer your doing it wrong."

>>5696596
in the old days the first unique ring to drop would always be a Nagelring. If you already had a Nagelring it'd always be a Manald, then the 3rd would always be SoJ. So carried the first two around or at least left them in your stash the first unique to drop would always be a SoJ, or at least that's how I remember it.
In the middle of writing this post I looked it up and it's confirmed to be true in versions 1.00~1.06 when it was patched out.

Anyone farm ancient tunnels? Or should I just push to LK Hell

>>5696717
I don't understand what you're asking. You farm those two places for entirely different reasons. What does you "Or" mean?

play necro
>phys and fire immunes
play sorc
>cold immunes
play smiter
>phys immunes
play javazon
>light immunes
play one class
>drop shit for other classes
start playing other class
>drops shit for class i played before
return to the class i played before
>again drops shit for other classes
see flawless amethysts drop all the fucking time
>don't pick any cuz i don't need em atm
get a eth threshers
>all that drops is flawless sapphires
need a ral rune from countess
>she drops two ists in row and literally every single rune around ral in 100+ runs
beat hell difficulty
>ball drops lenymo
do baal runs
>how about 100 twitchthroes, threads of cthon, yaggais and woestaves
drop dracul's
>eth

I swear to fucking God there is a code somewhere inside to troll players like this.

>>5696717
>ancient tunnels
Good place to farm if you're a Cold-based build due to dearth of enemies immune to this element; fun place to take a break from excessive Meph-running with a cookie-cutter Blizzard sorceress, for instance.

>>5696727
>he doesn't know how to deal with or even bother building for immunes
>he's so ADHD he physically cannot stick with a single class the moment some item drops, flip flopping back and forward like a spastic

and above all
>running countess for ral runes
>in hell
>for OVER ONE HUNDRED RUNS

AHAHAHAHHAA You fucking idiot. Go back to nightmare LK. What an embarrassment!

>>5696735
I ran Hell Countess over 10k times, probably more.

>nightmare lk

>>5696735
>building for immunes
>muh meteorb

No class is able to deal with their respective immunes, not even with LR or Convictions. Kill yourself.

>>5696738
Then why are you crying about ral runes? Why would you not just go into normal difficulty and find one in 3 minutes? Do you have brain damage? You said you NEED one, not "am hoping to drop one while doing hell runs." You're either an idiot or a liar. Which is it?

>>5696745
>deal with
merc or skip. Dealt with. Wait did you actually think I meant killing them yourself? Oh my god you're so laughable! ahahhaa

>>5696745
>No class is able to deal with their respective immunes, not even with LR or Convictions. Kill yourself.
Anything with a reasonable physical damage setup (most likely Barbs, Paladins et cetera) can equip something like Baranar's Star or Azurewrath on switch or attempt to just Crushing Blow the shit out of something and having it finished by the mercenary.

>>5696745
>>5696751
Bowzon can with no gear required.

>>5696754
True, but if you want to speed up the process, taking something like a Harmony or a bow that fires Explosive Arrows will help.

Overall conclusion is that there's always a way to deal with immunes, and there's a mountain of evidence on the internet to support this notion.

>>5696758
Sure it helps, but it's necessary. On the very low chance you find a physical/magic immune, cold arrow converts physical damage to cold and it's a pre-requisite for the guided arrow/strafe.

>Overall conclusion is that there's always a way to deal with immunes
Yup. The overwhelming majority of people who cry about immunes are sorc players who are assblasted that they aren't EVEN more overpowered and brainlet tier.

>>5696748
>changing difficulty
Yeah no.
>killing them yourself?
Yes. Since you admit you can't do it, my initial post stands and you are a - retard. I stand by my response - kill yourself.
>>5696751
>changing items mid run and clogging stash with uhm hmm "Baranar's Star"
No.
>>5696754
Bowazon is not a class but a joke.

>>5696767
>changing items mid run and clogging stash with uhm hmm "Baranar's Star"
Protip: go to your inventory screen and press W. Not sure what the derision about Baranar's Star is supposed to be, since it's a servicable Elite weapon that can easily get you past Hell Baal.
>Bowazon is not a class but a joke.
Dexzons are extraordinarily safe and capable HC characters between having range, Decoy, Valkyrie, Frozen Arrow, knockback effects and multiple ways to deal with immunes. The only problem they have is low damage output, but they can still beat Hell with budget gear.

You can't adapt to the game's challenges, cry about it in wall of text, and then get adversarial when people give you multiple viable approaches to deal with said problems, or dismiss them out of hand for... some reason. Literally every class has solid backup options available to them.

>>5696767
Fucking christ, weapon swap or keeping an item in the inventory or stash is not hard to do a quick teleport on the rare occasion you find an immune. Baranars star is a great item, you stupid meta-shithead. Fuck I hate people like you, you ruin all games.

>bowzons
>joke
Yes, they're a joke, but I cleared the whole fucking grail with it. That should illustrate the point I made just prior. Meta-fags deserve to be beaten in the streets. If something is not the absolute min-maxed GG build, that doesn't make it useless in comparison.

Every single class has the capability to deal with immunes.

oh and
>clogging stash
Use plugy or gomule, you laughingstock.

noice drop from durexiel

>>5696767
I think D3 might be more your style of game. It's child safe with no immunities to hurt your brain.

>>5696790
I have Grief on one hand and CtA on swap and full inventory of skillers plus unique charms. I have no time for some Barney's Star or whatever it's called. I need to kill everything, quickly.

>>5696727
>play necro
>phys and fire immunes
fire immunes dont affect you because of your army of skeletons and physical immune can be removed with amplify damage.
>play sorc
>cold immunes
2 element build my dude
>play javazon
>light immunes
lower resist wand charges or run past the mobs until you farm an Infinity from LK Hell
>drop this that etc
PlugY
>gems
horde them all in your infinite stash

i agree the game trolls you sometimes but half of this shit is you just being bad or purposefully inconveniencing yourself.
if resists/immunes annoy you so much just play a catch-all build/class like Summonmancer, Meteorb Sorc, Windy Druid or Bowazon

>>5696802
Drop a charm or two. Either that or skip the immunes and stop crying about them.

> I need to kill everything, quickly.
How about rather than killing everything, you just kill yourself instead, zoomer. Go find an attention span...and stop bringing up just that one item, there's dozens of alternatives you could use. Oh wait I guess they're not meta enough for you.

Why the fuck are you even playing this game?

>>5696802
Oh hey, you are actually wealthy! Go get yourself a 4 socket scepter, preferrably with the Conviction aura on it, and slap the Rift runeword into it. Or get yourself a 'Death' Phase Blade. Or put on a 'Dream' shield or helmet.

Not *that* wealthy? Voice of Reason in a Phase Blade is very comparable to Rift! And most of the above options actually work really well with the fpa breakpoints on Zeal, so they do very good damage.

All of the options are likely at your fingertips, you're just a lazy fuck.

>>5696807
I'm kind of a newb right now and I'm in hell,I'm lucky that I'm using plugy but with a trapsin how the fuck do I deal with lightning immunes other than respeccing into fire trap

>>5696807
>Bowazon
based

>>5696812
mercenary. Act 2 with a spear. They do physical damage.

>>5696812
>how the fuck do I deal with lightning immunes
Hybridize into a kick/trap build with solid shoes and Crushing Blow or use your Merc to deliver the first corpse and then Death Sentry everything else.

>>5696813
yeah but mercenaries die pretty easily

>>5696815
then equip them somehow, there are budget options for mercs that make them fairly resilient;
something like Tal Rasha's mask + Smoke or Stone runeword in an eth armor + Obedience polearm they do rather well.

>>5696815
not if you build them properly and feed them potions. The shift+number button exists for a reason. Hell and end game geared merc is better than some of the lower tier player builds.

>>5696815
Use cloak of shadows and mindblast.

>>5696812
Why aren't you using death sentry? It synergizes lightning trap and is one of the most broken skills in the entire game.

>>5696829
because lighting sentry does more damage?
I do 4 ls+1 ds

>>5696835
Then how are you having troubles with immunes? Death sentry deals absurd amounts of fire and physical damage.

>>5696835
Then I don't get how you're having issues with lightning immunes. The only time you find them is when they're surrounded by 4-5 other, very tanky enemies who would explode for more HP than the boss has. Like maybe a light+fire immune could be difficult, but DS still does physical too.

>>5696842
>>5696845
I'm in act 3 right now and literally every monster I encounter is a lightning immune,there's nothing for the death sentry to blow up because I can't kill anything,and I can't run through them because I get overwhelmed even if I spam mind blast

>>5696861
Why would you use mind blast over cloak of shadows against a huge mass of enemies?

>>5696861
Work on your mercs gear.

>>5696812
good gear on your merc
kite the lightning immunes to a pile of dead bodies and death sentry corpse explosion
putting some points into fire traps
putting some points into some other hybrid kicksin build
Infinity Runeword on your mercenary (Conviction Aura lowers resistances and Lightning immunes are the easiest to break)
Ignoring the lightning immunes and just running right past them

>>5696815
get better gear for them. with 12k defense or more, maxxed resists, doing 3.5k dmg a hit with good Life leech they're surprisingly tanky.

>>5696430
Truth hurts

Anyone ever play the PlayStation version?

Kind of janky, but shared screen multiplayer is a lot of fun. I did a full run through with a friend one night with dual warriors since we didn't know how well spells would work. They actually did ok. My friend took point with high Dex and a shield. I picked up an really good axe in hell and focused on the succubi. Only I touched magic so I could use fire walls, which came in handy.

Honestly, I loved D2 but it's a way different game. Much more gear focused. I think Dark Souls is more the successor to the original Diablo ambiance.

Invasions remind me of old school PKs on Battle Net.

>>5696653
Yeah, I'm into cucking. I wish somebody would be willing to be in a relationship with me so I could get cucked.

How did they fuck up so bad balancing 1.10 and on?

Melee characters need rare rune words or key uniques, meaning dozens of runs of bosses (likely more), but a necro with a shitty store bought teleport staff and P topaz socketed gear can still clear Hell areas fairly quickly.

I remember I got a Barb up to level 86 mostly in parties. Got most of the IK set, Corpsemorn as my armor, and a rare elite great maul with 400+% ED, +skills, and + attack rating.

I'd ww through enemies in the Act 1 and miss over and over. A hit didn't do too much.

Everyone said don't pump Dex. Turns out this implies endless runs for AR charms and only using a handful of uniques or elite runewords.

Once I respected with more Dex I did better, but was still shit compared to my necro naked.

>>5696653
Maybe I'm the one pumping his wife and we both a good laugh at his expense

>>5696861
Death sentry is not a skill that wins a fight for you, I would describe it as a skill that lets you win harder and faster if you can already win it.

I can't see how you got that far on just one element. How the fuck did you deal with all the scarabs in a2 or even get through a1. But yes now is the time to respec and bring a fire trap, unless or until you have infinity.
>oh wait you have plugy, you can even cheat respecs whenever you want.
The inferno trap does more focus dmg and the wake trap is a big area, your call. And like everyone else says you need a good Hazade, insight or obedience in a high damage base will be able to handle most anything in p1 hell.

Also I am pretty certain that converted enemies from mind blast and the nec's confuse and attract draws shit in from everywhere. converts have a huge light radius. If you are getting overwhelmed by armies coming in from off screen that is probably why.

>>5697046
Why in the heck aren't you using Angelic's? Ring and amulet slots are basically worthless for melee characters, so you can absolutely dump them for the fat +2000 attack rating and respectable +115 life.

>>5697046
physical characters scale harder with gear but the amount of gear required to do that is obscene to the point where you'd steamroll through Hell thrice before you got geared enough

>>5697046

This was a clear problem in the first one too. The sorcerer far outclassed the warrior due to the bigger fireball double damage. The only thing that really got them was tripple immunes.

What's weird though is that D2 classic didn't have this problem. A paladin or barb with decent rares could do ok if you played them conservative.

With 1.10 they said they wanted to make Hell very difficult, like the original Diablo. But they did it by just jacking up resists and armor and increasing spawns. I guess that is the only way to do it. The problem is that D1 let's you overcome bad gear by pulling a few monsters at a time into check points. That's a lot harder in D2, and the maps are so much larger that it's less viable. Plus enemeis respawn, so you can't clear areas the same way and then reload later to keep progressing.

>>5688469
1 because 2 always makes me want to fall asleep with its loot grinding.

>>5697168
diablo 2 is pretty damn shit if you think about it,act 2 and 3 are atrocious

>>5697170
Start of act 2 through to the point you enter the harem, start of act 3 through to the point you enter Lower Kurast. Rest of those acts are alright. Every time I start a new character I stop when I hit act 3, then pick it up days/weeks later. It's just so painful.

>>5697170
>>5697173
Faggots

>>5697179

>>5697185
>hurr durr call diablo II shit because of an act i dont like or youre a corporate sheeple

>>5697215
No one said to call the whole game shit, you idiot. But if you can't handle the slightest bit of criticism without immediately insulting people, rather than saying WHY it's supposedly good, then I don't know what to tell you, other than to ask why you're not out seeing the latest marvel film? You should also try dilating, because you're obviously turning into a women at the moment.

>>5697237
>No one said to call the whole game shit
>>5697170
>diablo 2 is pretty damn shit if you think about it

>>5697239
Well I apologize, I didn't notice what that guy said, but my point still stands because there are more than two people in that conversation.

>>5697170
You are indeed a faggot.

>recommended gear to make build work
>infinity

Oh boy

>>5697256
If you're reading some build guide, they're usually written by metaplebs.

>>5697259
yikes

>>5696903
>>5697068
>>5696842
>>5696845
>>5696828
>>5696817
>>5696816
it's ok lads I somehow managed to get past all the shit by using mind blast and just running past every immune and resetting aggro with town portal,Mephisto was ez work,you guys were right though I need to farm a polearm off Andy to give to my merc so he can kill the lightning immunes,thanks for the tips

>>5697731
>farm a polearm off Andy

???

>>5697817
He doesn't know

>>5697817
kill andy
big weapon drop
gib big weapon to merc

>>5697731
No that's dumb farm an exceptional polearm off not wraiths doing tower runs w 0 MF or clearing Jail trash mobs and make an Obedience polearm.

>>5697845
>>5697831
>>5697829
>>5697817
>>5697731
wut

>>5697170
Act 2 is great of you just ignore Maggot Lair. Duriel is a good pleb filter too, just a pity he's not worth farming

What is your favorite item in the games, /vr/?

Windforce or Grandfather for me.

>>5697984
Enigma.

>>5697849
Find an (ideally) ethereal cryptic axe or thresher and socket it in the cube.
Insert obedience runes

>>5697845
Actually I lied that's for a 4 socket polearm. Farm flayers/fiends/frogs/soul killers in the flayer jungle or carvers in the hole act 1 for an Obedience polearm base.

>>5697984
Pretty much any white/rare/unique/set that is useful.

perfect
too bad I never use archer mec or zon

>>5698303
nice drop!

>>5697984
Malice, one of the most powerful items in the game despite being dirt cheap.

>>5698325
noob here, what makes it so good? I just looked it up. Is it the defense decrease?

>>5698343
Yes, it lasts semi-permanently, meaning that you will hit any boss with 95% certainty just by whacking them a few times with it. A level 1 character could realistically beat Hell Baal using just that item and a source of crushing blow.

How do I kill this fat asshole as a sorcerer?He just charges me and rapid fire chops me to death in stunlock.

I spent all my money on potions but still lost. Are you supposed to bypass him and come back later?

>>5698462
He can't open doors.

>>5698470
Can you shoot him through doors?

>>5698485
no, but you can find a door with a grate next to it to shoot him through.

>>5698353
i didnt think "defense down" and "ignores target defense" worked on bosses.

>>5698543
Defense per hit works on anything at full effectiveness, whether it be a generic monster, a superunique, a prime evil, an uber prime evil or a player. It is the only stat appended onto others that can never be reduced in any way.

Not sure if I'm just retarded or going crazy, but I've rolled TWO maps in NM Act 3 and the Great Marsh doesn't led to the Flayer Jungle. Has this ever happened to anyone else before? Both maps were identical too.

>>5698558
If you get super unlucky, the connection to the Flayer Jungle can spawn exclusively through one of the little outcrops from the main jungle. It basically means going through act 3 takes at least twice as long, since you'll have to fully explore all of the Spider Forest and Great Marsh to find the connection.

>>5698564
Is it just a matter of re-rolling the map? I'm honesty thinking of just using the editor to give myself the DOH waypoint. I like Act 3 but this is just ridiculous.

never thought about it, but isn't the beginning part of act 3 the only part of the game where the map seeds have total carte blanche to do whatever as long as there are three waypoints and four quest or loot related areas or whatever

>>5698578
I dunno but I've never seen that before today. It's fucking weird. I'd love to know what the purpose of doing that was, just to fuck with you?

>>5698578
Pretty much, although the way the levels face are always the same. Otherwise, it can do all sorts of crazy shit. My favorite is when one of the first jungle outcrops leads to the Spider Cavern and the connecting outcrop leads to the Flayer Dungeon. Act 3 can be one of the quickest acts or one of the slowest acts depending on how it feels like judging you.

>>5698583
It's one of those ideas that sound good in practice, in the sense of making the game harder, but in reality it turns out to be utterly dumb. Not as bad as the maggot lair though

>>5698550
oh good to know. thanks for the info.

>>5698558
it's called the "skip". sometimes the jungle goes straight from Spider Forest > Flayer Jungle, but it means if you're unlucky you can end up heading into the Great Marsh which is a dead end.
Speedrunners always pray for a Great Marsh skip because it cuts a good couple of minutes off of their time.

>>5698689
Damn, just when you think you've seen everything this game has to offer. This is why I love D2 so much. It never gets old.

>>5696817
I did not know that you could use potions on mercs actually.

>>5698781
same

>>5697984
In Diablo 1 it would be Dreamflange, because it's such a good goddamn weapon for the sorcerer.
In Diablo 2, basically any good unique/set boots, whatever metal protection on my feet that lets me run fast (anything from Sigon and up).

I SHALL MAKE WEAPONS FROM YOUR BONES
YOUR SOUL SHALL FUEL THE HELLFORGE

>I'm sorry things didn't turn out as you had hoped. Go and remember us fondly. You know, you bothered me far less than most.

>>5698818
I saw that dialog this morning actually finishing up Act 2. I loved just going to town during and between quests just seeing what the npcs have to say, the dialog is gold jerry gold sometimes. I think I missed out on a lot of that playing on bnet when I was younger so now that I just do single player it's pretty comfy seeing all the talk.

>ywn have Gheed, Lycander or Alkor banter anymore in any future diablo writing

>>5697829
>>5697831
I remember when I was new to D2 as well. Cute!

>>5698818
Which nigga says that? Somehow google gives me no results.

>>5698902
retard

>>5698908
Thanks for doing the work, slave.

>>5698818
Game full of one liners and still great story. Diablo 3 on other hand jerks off with Tolstoy tier diatribes and sucks so much. Why?

ahhrhhh countess gimme a fal you BITCH

Obedience thresher sure is nice. Merc doing up to just over 3k dmg. Now to reroll LK 20 more times.

>>5699221
>get eth thresher
>socket it in cube
>1 socket

>>5699228
Jesus dude.

>>5699228
horrible

when you upgrade an exceptional weapon to an elite one does it lose it's sockets?

>accidentally pop a fire shrine and get two people killed

>>5699368
>caring about npcs

>>5699209

>>5699534
This Fal dropped from a gloom bat

>>5699298
The sockets stay.

is countess the best place to farm mid runes?

>>5700307
It's certainly not bad for it although characters with low mobility (teleport or FRW) will have a hard time getting there in a timely fashion. Remember to turn off /players 8 when you specifically farm Countess because her special rune drop gets diminished in favor of regular items on high player settings.

>>5700307
Pretty much.
Lower Kurast super chests for runes up to Ber if you have a good map/fast caster.

>>5700321
I can get to the bottom pretty fast (about 1-2 minutes) with my assassin

I broke down and got plugy for LK runs. Is there a way to verify /p on restart? Dbrubski said it saves your last /p but I wanted to be sure

>>5700321
So /p3? Or just /p1

Good Beast base for summonmancer?
Also good Enigma base?

>>5700370
Archon Plate obviously, either random socket recipe for 3 or up from Mage Plate and use socket quest.

>>5695626

The Hell 2 is still in beta (a stable beta) and is worth playing first. It's more true to the original than Beelzebub and has a whole team working on it.

The drop tables need some work. But it's great. It's what D3 should have been. Challenging, dark, lots of new modifiers from the new game.

I'd probably play a warrior variant or archer first. Don't be surprised if you die to the first unique you find. Level 1s are very squishy, but by the time you clear level 1 it paces more like D1 vanilla.

Mages are hard because everything is fucking immune to some magic so you're constantly looking for the right spells.

Warriors do half damage to undead with swords, and vice versa to animals with maces, so you need to press V a lot to switch weapons for the right enemy. You can't play like D2. Regular mobs will rape you, so you have to lure them to a doorway as a warrior or back up constantly as a caster or rouge.

The AI is still from 1996 but it's also dumbed down early on. You won't be trapping endless hordes in a single doorway forever. Later the maps open up, enemies teleport, the AI is much better, and they also turn invisible.

Now you get perks each level. Damage resistance and resists are crucial. You also need some magic if you want to enjoy buff spells and AOE spells. Just save plus to magic items so you can read books.

Multiplayer is hard due to friendly fire. It take a bit of practice but monks and warriors can tank a lane while rouges with knockback can do great crowd control. Mages ideally gets good AOE books to hit mobs further back.

>>5700436
It was also built by fans who liked using it like a rougelike, so there is a rougelike mode.

This is why the drops and economy isn't great. The game is heavy on potion and blacksmith oil drops. Durability is a liability with weapons and armor breaking a lot. This surely adds challenge for the rougelike version, but is just a pain in the ass in vanilla.

When weapons break, even uniques, they disappear.

>>5700325
>>5700321
not him but I've been watching some videos and it looks like Cow level is surprisingly good for runes.
Am I better off farming there vs doing LK runs?

>>5694937
>probably depends on a lot on the skill tree in question, i'd imagine any underused or defensively oriented skill tree is worth a lot less

29 shapeshifting lifer and a warcry

>>5700563
Cows if you can kill them fast enough with either a Java/Bowazon or a Fishymancer with high Corpse Explosion. If not, use a Sorc with high Faster Cast Rate for Lower Kurast.

>>5700598
Fishymancer?

>>5700636
Yes. I've got near max CE and it works good

>>5700641
ok i looked up what a "Fishymancer" is and it's just a standard Summonmancer build.
CE is the tits though but I rarely waste points maxxing it these days, I get it's radius to 9 or 10 yards and use the spare points elsewhere

Ok lads, i'm considering getting into playing Hardcore.
Any tips?
Any gear, differences in stat points, changes in tactics etc I should be aware of?
Any tips on what level I should be before I approach certain acts or bosses? Normally I just run straight through the game getting to Hell anywhere between lv45~60. But with Hardcore I assume there's a lot of grinding to level higher than the places you're going to.

Also where are good places to level singleplayer? Everywhere I look on the net just says "Leech Hell Baal runs from lv40~99 XD"

Last, any character recommendations for a good first Hardcore character? Paladin? Druid?

>>5700664
>Any tips?
Walk more than you run; running cuts your defense and block rating and likely causes you to uncover more of the screen at once, causing more stuff on your plate.
Invest more into Vitality and go with safer builds overall. Rubies in headgear/chestgear for extra survivability are a good idea here.
>Also where are good places to level singleplayer?
Honestly anything you find fun and level-appropriate. That said, if you rush to Hell and are still low, you can simply make your own Baalruns and adjust /players rating to maximize your XP gained while also ensuring as much safety as you can. I tend to enjoy taking my time with areas and exploring even optional dungeons (though the Lam Esen temples can suck a dick, being deadly stair traps more often than not), so I'm not going to Hell underlevelled anyhow.
>Last, any character recommendations for a good first Hardcore character? Paladin? Druid?
Summoner Necromancer is insanely safe, although potentially boring. Trapsin is super safe. Either Amazon, though with more points in Valk/Decoy, or with FA; discretion advised for Dodge/Avoid/Evade because they have bugged interactions with certain Amazon skills. Werebears and Barbarians pack a ton of +life and other defenses (Shockwave, War Cry), but you need to know how to get a weapon when nothing drops (save your Elites and try your hand at crafting), and that requires patience. Most Paladin Zealot variants are fairly safe thanks to Holy Shield, esp. Holy Freeze, although you have to watch out not to get stuck in Zeal frames. Sorceresses can also be fairly safe, you can experiment with Energy Shield and Teleport away.

Really you can do it with anything, just prioritize +life, fhr, and maxing out the relevant resistances. Also consider really hard if you really need max block, because on a few characters getting stuck in a block animation is a death sentence, so you might be actually better off without it and just powering through other means.

>>5700664
>>5700754
Also the moment you get the Cube do everything in your power to mix up some Rejuvs. Full Rejuvenation Potion is your last resort "oh shit" button, you should keep them at bay at all times, in a spot where you can easily reach them.

Make sure to also pay extremely close attention to what enemy boss packs spawn, because you really, really do not want to be on the receiving end of something like Cursed Extra Strong archer pack. Make sure to reroll Ancients if there's a particularly dangerous combo on one of them.

>>5700649
W skill gear I'm at 9.6y I think. It's nice when you're outside VS bit mobs.
Skelemancer really only needs like 70 skill points.

Any advice for trying to beat hell on /p8? I just got my hammerdin into hell on Act 1.

>>5700845
Obedience eth thresher merc to start

>>5700761
>Cursed Extra Strong archer pack

these niggers are the bane of my HC pit runs

>>5700889
Especially with Conviction.

It looks like it's not too hard to make a homemade block calculator, if I got this right, which is good because I can't figure out the german thing.
>217 dex
Honestly if you have to get your Dex into the 200+ range, I think there is a strong case to say fuck it and not put anything into dex at all. Anyone have thoughts on that?

>>5700649
They call it the Fishymancer because the guy was the first to discern the new strength of skeletons in 1.10 and write up a huge guide for it. Sort of a term of endearment. If one is thinking, "a straightforward build like that hardly needs a guide," well his guide is partly what made it straightforward for everyone at the time. Summoner had not been viable for a few years since LoD was released.

>>5700913
This. The necromancer was a gimp class for many patches. Ironically it is now the most powerful pvm class.

If you're patient enough you could solo hell naked. Corpse explosion plus amplify is a screen wiper with no match. Spamming dim vision makes Gloams nothing. Decrepify + a merc with slow and ice makes bosses turn into statues.

>>5700994
>The necromancer was a gimp class for many patches.
Every class was a gimp class in comparison to frozen orb sorc in Classic, and in the expansion he was fine in comparison to the absolute garbage that the druid and assassin were before 1.10f.

Playing on useast

>>5700761
>>5700754
Good advice.
Thinking I might do Necro for my first proper Hardcore attempt, but gunna put more points into bone skills than I normally do.
The main things that scare the piss out of me for trying to get into hardcore are
>Archer packs
>Skeleton ooga-booga dudes that 1 shot you for no reason in end of Act 3
>Mana burn uniques
>Gloams
>Duriel
>Diablo
so wish me luck

>>5701037
good luck my dude, high resistances and good golem placement are your best friends. you listed a lot of ranged shit that can be totally cucked with dim vision as long as the golem draws aggro. honestly, the biggest problem in hardcore is complacency. you start feeling like you're strong as fuck, then suddenly, a cold lightening bird blows up on you and you're fucked. its especially a big problem on the necro who has dogshit health.

>>5700870
I already have insight but I'm hoping to get the runes for Engima at some point soon. What lvl should I be though and how much damage should I be dealing? Which is more important gear wise, FCR or +skills?

By the way can a summoner seriously solo hell? I actually have some decent necro gear at the moment so I'm thinking about making one

>>5701037
>archer packs
Not a real threat. Use dim vision and attract.
>skeletal midgets
Not a real threat. You have a million ways to safely dispose of them, and a million more ways to make them safely fuck off. Dim vision, terror, confuse, attract, decrepify, any ranged attack, bone wall, bone prison and summons are all capable of dealing with them.
>gloams
Not a real threat. Use dim vision and cap your lightning resistance.
>Duriel
Not a real threat. Use clay golem + decrepify and he becomes a worthless dummy.
>Diablo
Not a real threat. Use clay golem + decrepify and he becomes a worthless dummy.

How much MF do you guys like to run with? I'm trying to get too 350% on players 5. If the drop calc is right that gives you the best odds.

>>5701061
Of course. Solo hell isn't an impressive accomplishment at all, any build that isn't completely retarded can do it pretty easily. Summonmancer is popularly considered the easiest build for hell.

>>5701071
>any build that isn't completely retarded can do it pretty easily
I don't agree with that at all but okay

>>5701037
Diablo is easy, just takes forever to get to him.

>>5701076
Then you should probably stop being a retard.

>>5701230
Okay drop some retard-proof builds

>In b4 they're all casters with godly gear

>>5701065
good tips. to be brutally honest my main weakness with playing Necro has always been that the only poison/bone skill skill I use is CE and the only curse I use is Amp Damage so i think playing hardcore will be good incentive to branch out a bit.

>>5701246
Having dim vision on a hot key helps. I didn't really use it until I got to Hell

>>5701234
>anything necromancer, just max out corpse explosion, one point a bunch of curses and you win the game
>anything assassin, just max out death sentry, toss a few points into some utility skills and you win the game
>anything barbarian, just max out warcry and stunlock everything first so that you can beat them up effortlessly
>freezerdin
>shockerdin
>hammerdin
>zealdin
>smiterdin
>(some shitty skill)orb sorc
>choose a flavor of 'zon and just go with it, just remember physical and magic aren't real flavors, but valkyrie is
>BURRdruid (NOT based around dealing damage in werebear form, werebear form is utter shit except for stunlocking)
>cancerdruid
>winddude
>armageddonbeardruid
>anything druid with the bear works pretty much since it almost makes up for how absolutely fucking abysmal this character is

>>5701273
what's wrong with droods?

>>5701470
Not that anon, but to be honest, I have no idea. I think Fury Werewolf Druids are a very strong contender in Hell because Feral Rage makes them very good at life leech and there's some good low-tier uniques that work awesome with the build (Ribcracker), and I'm a bit of a fan of Bears after playing a Fireclaws Werebear with a shitload of life, a source of Crushing Blow, and a high-speed weapon - you never die, you apply CB fast.
You could also probably play a Bear with a slow 2-hander and maxed out Maul - something like the IK weapon would be a nice budget way to do that. I think Bears are always viable (if not the fastest) in Hell simply due to the fat chunk of life they're afforded, but you have to watch out periodically to not turn Human while in the middle of a fight; make it a habit to move away from prolonged fights to re-shapeshift.

And Wind Druids are pretty strong, after all; guaranteed mixed physical and cold damage and a strong pet. Fire Druids speedrun thru Normal/Nightmare really fast and then you can respec. The only issue with the class that I find is that the spirits confer very useful buffs, but they're also insanely hard to keep alive due to their dumb AI and low HP.

And the Summontard even managed to drop Key of Hate.

>>5701648
>ghosts
Always nice to see. They have a higher drop rate on runes.

>>5701648
Just got here and decided to goto bed instead of suffering this and maggot in the same run

>>5701667
I'm farming Keys. Thank fuck for knockback and firestorm.

>tfw the summoner is the sorcerer from d1

>>5701703
I loved how everyone you knew and loved from d1 is dead including the protagonists in d2,except for cain,just makes the setting more grim
d3 is just some shitty lore that noone gives a fuck about

>>5701713
if i remember right, the sorceress was killed by the assassin according to the d3 lore lmao

>>5701013
I wonder if should pull out my old CRT. Probably not worth at all, but at least I wont have scree tearing.

>>5701703
>>5701713
D2 fucked over the characters from D1 in a fun and interesting way: by making them bosses.

D3 was just a text dump fueled by Metzen's corruption fetish.

>>5701713
It's difficult for me to express how much I hate the directions they went in for Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2.

>blatantly cubing enigma from 140+ hellforges
almost there just need to build another gul and ohm

Can i play diablo II without knowing jackshit about builds and recipes and just wing it and have fun with whatever i want? Can i beat hell//p8 hell like this?

>>5702176
Yes if you are playing without the expansion. Also yes if you are playing the expansion and aren't dumb.

>>5702176
>Can i play diablo II without knowing jackshit about builds and recipes and just wing it and have fun with whatever i want?
Yes.
>Can i beat hell
Maybe. If by "have fun with whatever I want" you mean "just randomly assign skills", no. If you pick a core skill (or two) to max and then build up synergies around it and pick the right one-point wonders, you are quite likely to do well.
>p8 hell
There's a chick that streamed a /p8 HC hell Venom Assassin who used a crossbow, which is an underpowered skill used on a wrong chassis (Assassin frames with ranged weapons are iffy) and a generally rather poor weapon type (low IAS and shitloads of stat requirements), and she still beat Hell Baal. Bottom line is: "possibly yes, but it pays to be either patient or have some experience in what you're doing". On /p8, the biggest roadblock for most builds will be the massive HP totals of enemies.

>>5702176
Yes. It'll start getting rough on the higher difficulties though.

>>5702176
No. Just read/watch some guides.

>>5702176
I don't know why do people have such a hang up on D2 being hard in Hell when Hell is literally the end game and people playing literally any other aRPG are okay when the end game is a roadblock that weeds out bad or inefficient builds on a much harder scale than D2 does, considering D2 is the most lax aRPG when it comes to allowing dumb fuckery at end game.

Why can Path of Exile fans advise you to just accept that your first character will suck in the end game but D2 detractors are decrying the game for its supposed intense "metafaggotry" and "only 1-2 builds are viable", statements that anyone playing solo self-found can easily attest to being misinformed?

>>5702274
I'm not having any hangups my dude who r u quoting i'm just curious if minmaxing becomes a thing since i never played hell/p8

Also i never followed a single build guide for PoE and all my characters made to at least t7-8 mapping with no problems

>>5702176
>asking for advice when first playing the game
Fuck I hate people like you. Just play the fucking game and enjoy it...for fucks sake you only get one first playthrough. Be a metafaggot afterward, jesus fucking christ. Kill yourself.

>>5702319
I played vanilla D2 and LoD when it came out anon, stop projecting. I just never made it to the endgame properly for whatever reason and i felt like replaying it now. What i'm asking is literally the opposite of being a metafaggot

>>5702319
Clam down and have some dip.

>>5702176
Players 8 is a meme and there's no reason to use it outside of extremely rare circumstances or for dumb things streamers do.

>>5702176
Yes. It's same for literally any game out there.

My first play was Assassin with Kris because it looked cool, and put points only in Wake of Fire. Managed to kill everything up to Normal Duriel then got my shit kicked in. Put points into Energy. Farmed Normal Countess!!!

>>5702363
>yes, but I couldn't do it

>>5702385
he said "wing it and have fun" which doesn't necessarily mean "put points randomly and don't bother optimizing your gear". Full energy Wake of Fire Assa can definitely do the entirety of Normal BTW, Fire Assassins are actually a speedrunner's build and full Energy, while bad, at least lets you drink fewer mana potions, but it's not smart to not put points into your utility skills.

You definitely can beat Normal with anything, Nightmare with almost anything, and Hell with like 80% of the Nightmare-viable builds. Hell can be done with absolute meme builds like Daggerzon, aforementioned Venom Archer, Meleesorc or something like Healer Paladin, usually it's just a matter of patience since bad builds usually have low killing speed, but that doesn't mean undoable, it mostly just means that you will simply get bored.

>>5702725
How viable are 'Avenger' Paladins?

>>5702725
tl;dr

Gave 3 another shot, and it didn't look quite as bad as I remember, but the aesthetic is directly out of Warcraft. The designs are take straight out of Scholomance, the Iron Horde, and Blackrock Spire. I've played enough WoW to recognize architecture patterns. What the hell happened?

Why can't other games do it right? Other 3d Diablo 2 clones are even uglier than Diablo 3 is. Diablo 3 is actually one of the better Diablo 2 clones. But literally no other game in this genre does anything other than make you wish you were playing the superior Diablo 2 instead. It has better gameplay, better graphics, better builds, better everything.

>>5702735
Define viable; a lot of the community seems to think "viable" means "clears CS/WSK really fast".
>can beat Hell fully self-found
Yes but it can be tough because they scale hard with gear and are weak at leeching; might be tempting to go with a 2-hander for this reason, especially since it's hard to find the points to put into Holy Shield (20 Vengeance, Conviction until 100%, synergies to Vengeance, ?????). Technically it CAN kill everything though because of your multi-elemental attack, but it won't break any records. Can be fun.
>is it good at farming your grail or boss or whatever
single-target only character with really low IAS? yeah no
>is it good in a party setting with a friend
you might feel like a Conviction bot when put next to something like a pure lightning Java, but Conviction is a ridiculously good aura for sure
>is it good as baby's first HC character
No, Freezedins are better and still convey the elemental flavor.

Ergo: viable, but definitely more for challenge seekers and not a cookie-cutter build.

>>5702754
The itemization in D3 is just atrocious. Pretty sure there's an item set that gives something absurd like 40,000% extra damage to a skill, which you can then buff through other methods like 5x over. That game absolutely raped build diversity. I think I give D2 too much criticism sometimes for faith, enigma and others, at least you can still do tons of off meta stuff and not be outweighed in speed by a factor of 500, it gives you so much more leeway with choice.

Devs that made D3 deserved to be fired for that game.

>>5702754
>What the hell happened?
WoW getting popular happened. Not only did that game ruin the warcraft strategy games forever, but it also had a massive hand in ruining Diablo 3 and desu even blizzard as whole over the years.

Fuck do I hate WoW so god damn much, infuriates me just thinking about it.

>>5702754
>Other 3d Diablo 2 clones are even uglier than Diablo 3 is
I mean, I'd give credit to the artists because even if their directive was to make the game's color palette lighter, I still think Diablo 3 is a lively game full of really pretty areas and fluid animations... even if the overall direction doesn't really work. What I'm saying is D3 is a lot of things, but not "ugly".

>>5702778
>build diversity
I think D3 (or at least RoS) has plenty of build diversity, with the stipulation that certain builds are much more likely to hit rock bottom at high Torment levels. But people who played oddball shit just beat Hell Baal and parked their characters in Harrogath, enjoying the journey rather than trying to achieve record WSK clearing times with their Wolfbarb or whatever.

Action RPGs at some point became all about pushing end-game as the only "real" part of the game, and although D3 (and arguably PoE et al.) take it to a certain extreme, plenty of people played D2 only in that way (trist->tomb->cow->ancients->baal->baal->baal and then farm to whatever goal you want). D2 just didn't have a nearly endless endgame like newer games, but modern action RPG players really want to push for a harder and deeper end game and better loot, so obviously builds are going to narrow down to the strongest ones. This isn't a complaint at you, anon, but I don't think players can complain about D3's lack of diversity if all they know is a blizzsorc starter farming up a hammerdin; you can do a shitload of oddball stuff in other aRPGs as long as you acknowledge that you're not entitled to a free ticket to the highest tier.

I had enough fun with D3 to not dismiss it entirely, I agree it's overall not what I want out of an aRPG, but I had fun with doing oddball shit and just simply stopping when my own brand of fun stopped being enough to do well at high Torment.

>>5702804
I would be much less harsh on it if I didn't know I was looking at designs lifted directly out of World of Warcraft. It completely takes me out of the game.

>>5702838
>the demon hunters boar summon is a model literally just ported straight from wow

>>5702838
>>5702863
I fully understand your concern; it never stood out to me as much because I'm admittedly not a WoW player, but I can see that this is a problem.

People ITT actually arguing that D1 wasnt the best...

>>5702887
Good use of the past tense. It was before D2 came out.

>>5702887
2>1. No other game is even worth mentioning in comparison.

>>5702887
You're right, anon, let's have an echochamber thread where we circlejerk the same, uniform opinion, hold polls on things we all already know, also everything sucks and is for faggots. You know, so we can become like the Baldur's Gate and HoMaM threads.

>unironically defending Diablo 3
ishygddt