/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[6-22] /vr/ is hosting it's own Quake mapping project! GET IN HERE FAGETS
https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN

[6-20] Copper for Quake released: a vanilla+ mod (includes optional map pack)
http://lunaran.com/copper/index.html

[6-17] Coffee Quake released, 76 speedmaps in 4 episodes
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_p8iwL2Vw&feature=youtu.be

[6-15] Guncaster 3.3 released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcUHPmb76do

[6-15] Doom the Golden Souls 3 announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rivZEQ2mNFg

[6-15] MetaDoom player feedback survey
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfRZWx1kN9FpAShfjXcmS9Co9MNTYWLwD-hupYfhAduD5334g/viewform

[6-13] FUNC- Sm197 Six Textures released
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61741

[6-9] FUNC- New levels for Quake 1 & 2, Sonic Mayhem updated
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61740
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61739

[6-9] SUNDER released a new update
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder-update-is-here-four-new-maps-not-a-joke/

[6-9] Doom Eternal shown at E3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOClc6Svg4

[6-9] New MetaDoom update
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&start=1590#p1107375

[6-9] Mr. Friendly updated
https://jp.itch.io/mr-friendly

[6-9] Digital Foundry review about Quake 2 RTX; explains a lot of shit about the source port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9vXz9-C-AY

[6-8] Q2 RTX Models for Q2XP
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp/addons/q2rtx-models-for-q2xp

[6-8] Anon updates Smooth Doom Lite
https://mega.nz/#!f5MAmQ5J!ADzufTEZ2COW5xRlblSrxZ42Qw3h-UU-Jjbe5wGN3iI

[6-7] GZDoom 4.1.3 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64964


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doom is gay

>have to rename Soldiers of Fortune exe to mohaa.exe for it to work
Why???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npsV5vGTujg

>>5682743
> M E G A S P H E R I C A L

SCREENSHOT SATURDAY/SUNDAY
YOU GET THE DEAL
AAAARRGH

>>5682763
Finished this place some mins ago.

Oh, I guess I beat the game. I missed half the scrolls though and only found the ones that helped me through two major mazes, so maybe there were some secrets to find. Neat game for something that came before Wolf3D though.

Any Doom mapsets that have some good verticality or at least a good sense of verticality?

>>5682791
only build games can provide you that

uhoh

>The Blessed Engine is an optional DeHackEd patch which can be used separately from The Sky May Be

Wait, I though the wad was SUPPOSED to be run with the patch, or does the current revision of the Doom wiki article get something wrong?

>>5682743
>Is Quoffee worth my time?

Episodes 1-2 are great. Episode 3 goes from great to bad to utter dogshit. Lava Pit broke me and I deleted the entire mod after. I understand that they had to make something in a limited time but it turned into:
>Fiend
>Vore
>Shambler
>Ogre
>Death Knight
>Pick 4 for any map and expect them to be spammed.
Quality control was not a top priority here.

>>5682803
yeah the slaughtermaps are not the strongest point of the whole thing

Episode 4 has some really neat levels though

>>5682754
Well, evidently the graphics drivers will enable certain driver level fixes depending on the name of the EXE being opened, and mohaa.exe would be the name of the EXE for Medal of Honor: Allied Assault.
Not exactly sure why it would work for the first Solider of Fortune, since that one was id Tech 2, but SoF2 and Allied Assault are both id Tech 3.

I just played the original Operation Body Count, and even though I didn’t pay for it, I still want my money back. How did they fuck up this badly? Why did they did they put a Galil in the game, but make the icon a MP5? How did they get away with selling this garbage?

>>5682827
capstone
the pinnacle
of
entertainment
software

>>5682837
I’m just glad they shut down

What's the lightest loadout I can use for Hideous while still having plenty of punch for the big bads?

Slayer, blooper, revolver with like 12-18 rounds, a stim and green armor?

tfw 1 hp

>>5682743
Just came in here to say that that image is beautiful.

>>5682884
is that winquake or DOS?

>>5682887
winquake

>>5682871
Try Eric's patented Dogfighter loadout
https://github.com/MatthewTheGlutton/HideousDestructor/wiki/Custom-Loadouts-(Light)#dogfighter
He claims it's the most punch you can pack in the lowest weight possible, pretty neat build.
He uses it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLStS63K6ck

>Quake mapping project
>putting Hell (which is much more associated with Doom) in the title not once but TWICE
What's wrong with you lot?

>>5682910
HUH

>>5682910
Quake has plenty of satan in it

>>5682915
So does my local Spencer's Gifts, but that doesn't mean it's Hell, it just means it uses its imagery.

>>5682910
I mean there is a dimension with a blasphemous image of jesus so

plus its catchy, it suggest that there are things beyond hell we should be worried about, it hits the lovecraft vibe nicely
I did prefer Hunted Unearthly Halls tho

if enough people bitch about it we can do another vote anyways

>>5682924
Humorously Underwhelming Habitats

>>5682813
Oh ok. Well thank you for the answer.

>>5682905
Huh, I'm guessing the extra Bronc bolt is for the off chance you find one in a backpack

>>5682910
>>5682915
You people should have chosen some other Lovecraft area or monster and called it that, honestly. That's what many modders have done and it usually works out great.

>>5682965
or we can just call it HUH and drop the meaning entirely

>>5682964
No, that loadout has a Bronc built into it. As soon as you find a backpack, you dump the Bronc and bolt in it

How do you convert quake's movement physics to quake 3 again

>>5682976
You just play Quake 3? You can't replicate Q3A movement just with vanilla console commands.

>>5682985

Hunter's Untouchable Handfuls

>>5682986
because quake 3 doesn't have levels or singleplayer or the atmosfeels or anything like that

>>5682973
Ha, I just read it as "Brontoris Bolt (1 spare bolt) and got mildly confused.
Wow, that is a huge amount of hitting power for such light weight with the rest of the loadout.

I'm gonna try that one out after toying around a bit more with a modified cowboy build, except with a double barrel as a sort of sheriff or wells fargo shotgunner kind of thing.

I think I'm gonna call it the "Hell's Fargo" build.

>>5682976
Are you getting Quake 3 confused with CPMA?

>>5682751
fpwp

>>5682991
U.U

>>5682991
*notices quad* Qu.uQ what's this??

>>5683021
CPMA movement in quake 1 would be retarded but in a fun way
I'm talking about friction and air accel values, quake 1 and 3 are polar opposites in how speed is gained

>>5683062
CPMA is Quake 1 air control mixed with Quake 3 strafejumping and speed gains. It's supposed to be the best of both worlds but it's for babbies who can't handle one or the other

Are Hexen and Heretic in the same series?
Wikipedia says Hexen is just Heretic 2. I want to know because of the way I organize my games.

Also, do you guys prefer to play Hexen or Hexen 2 more?

>>5682976
I found this for darkplaces: https://pastebin.com/8Hxz66b1
/sv_cheats 1
/exec Q3physics.cfg
It doesn't feel much like quake 3 and makes low grav really annoying, but it's strafejumping.

>>5683225
>darkplaces
well fugg

>Do you play Quake?
>Oh, that silly DOOM imitation? No, sorry. I'm not a faggot

>>5683251
>Yeah I only play Doom with keyboard controls. How can you tell?

>>5683251
Play original Quake and original Doom, the DOS versions of each back to back. Doom is fucking dogshit compared to Quake. Doom is Blake Stone compared to Quake.

You're comparing modern source ports. Not the same thing.

>>5683270
>t. pic related

>>5683270
The most virgin and onions post ITT. Damn, just neck yourself.

>>5683259
fucking based. Arrow keys and ctrl only, swapping weapons is for pussies.

>>5683270
how about enjoying both modern iterations of these games and not sperging out over a shitpost

My HUH level is shaping up nicely.
I'm sure once people actually play it they're going to call it jank and shitty and it probably is but its still looking ok to me.

I wonder what it'd have been like if John Romero stayed for Quake 2, and it was a true sequel to Quake 1.

>>5683316
I don't know of that would necessarily be good.
When he left Id he made daikatana.

>speak to some zoomers
>topic of Doom comes up
>stress how cool it is, especially after the update mods such as Brutal Doom
>they give it a shot
>they're unimpressed

So... I'm... I'm out of touch now. I feel like these kids are rejecting video game equivalent of Shakespeare, or maybe some other classic author, because it's not following any of the current decade's publishing-house style guides.

"ACKSHUYALLY, Dracula has a lot of plot holes and is objectively inferior to more sensible portrayals of vampires like Anne Rice."

>>5683319
Daikatana was the result of him having full creative control.

>>5683270
They play quite differently, and have pretty different level design philosophies as well.
Sure, technologically, Quake is the more advanced game, that's only obvious, but they both have their strengths.

>>5683323
Zoomers just have shit taste, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

>>5683323
Brutal Doom is a meme. Don't use that to introduce people.

>>5683323
This totally happened and isn't the delusion of some fucktard who'd unironically use the "term" "zoomer" and would use FUCKING BRUTAL DOOM to introduce people to classic doom.

>>5683341
>Zoomers just have shit taste

But isn't that what every out of touch "old" generation says about the young new one? How isn't this just an oldfag cope?

>>5683357
I've been playing Doom since it came out in 1993 and frankly it is an improvement. It's basically a much-needed suite of updates. It makes the game playable in 2019

Oh boy, here we go again.

>>5683375
don't acknowledge, just report

>Bait The Thread
Still stuck on Shamblers Bait

>>5683379
report for what

"i disagree with this post" is not a bannable offense, you dumbass

>>5683386
>low quality posts
>trolling outside of /b/
>this user is underage

>>5683387
>this user is underage
so i can report you, right

>>5683389
no that means i can report you

>>5683391
i report u huehue

>>5683392
no u

>>5683387
>>5683379
Expats were a mistake.

>>5683373
>It makes the game playable in 2019
Chocolate Doom does that just fine. Source ports do it even better if you don't mind stepping outside the classic experience. The base gameplay of Doom is still a ton of fun today.
t. person who played Doom 1 and 2 for the first time this year

Stop playing fucking video games.

>>5683395
>call out blatant shitposting for what it is
>EXPAT DURRR

Mental illness.

>>5683395
who cummed in your foams?

>upgraded my system
>can now use ultra textures in quake champs to fap to every pore on slash's face
>can't tell anyone 'cause /arena/ is dead, only /doom/ is left
HUH

>3 Shamblers
>Secret QUAD damage
I hate this trope

>>5683404
>I don't like these opinions
>ergo it must be underage shitposting

Ah, I love these egocentric self-absorbed cuntpunters. Only was a matter of time until S'arais' brand of arrogance rubbed off on someone else.

>>5683456
>actually associating someone with /vr/'s local RMD because someone hurt your no-no hole by implying your bullshit story was indeed bullshit and that you're a trolling ree-ree incest baby who needs to go the fuck back to /v/eddit and stay there

>>5683467
Not even me, faggot. Try again next time.

Anyone know of a way to use the quake 1 text format and style?
Like a website converter or something similar.

Why are there so many shitty fucking games based on the Quake 2 engine, but almost none based off of the Quake 1 engine, even though Quake 2 was fucking shit and Quake 1 was the last ID game ever made with soul?

>>5682773
What map/mod?

Best sourceport for Wolf 3D? Also, got any websites that have tons of wolf 3d mods? Not ModDB or Nexus, something that's dedicated to Wolf.

I'm pretty much done with Doom (It got boring) and want to go for Wolf, just finished the campaigns and really really enjoyed it, even more than DOOM.

>>5683506
Ecwolf. Wolf 3D is not as fun as Doom.

>>5683428
Would you rather four Shamblers?

>>5683489
https://www.dafont.com/quake.font

>>5683507
For me it is, depends on the taste I guess. Any good websites that I can get mods from? Thanks for the sourceport.

>>5683516
Thanks,anon!

>>5683501
Hunter's Moon

>>5683373
Some of the stuff in BD looks very good, but alot is very ugly too (gameplay and art).

>>5683373
Just because it adds a bunch of modern FPS tropes like ADS and reloading doesn't mean it's an improvement. Not saying Brutal Doom is a shit mod, I like it (though some may disagree), but it didn't add any "much-needed updates" or "make the game playable in 2019". Vanilla DOOM 1&2 hold up exceptionally well even today

What the fuck was his problem?

>>5683527
thanks anon

>>5683560
Doomed too much

>>5683629
More like domed. 'cause he's BAAALD

>>5683634
You're a funny guy...
Let's see who's laughing when me and the boys put you six feet under,SUCKA!

Heretic 2 deserves more love than it gets. It's a good game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5pATG031x4
i found the source of that gif that was posted last thread

>typical Doom player in 2019

>>5682791
Way too many dead guys (still not finished)

How do I install mods on ECWolf?

How do you just draw a new fucking entity in Trenchbroom? Like a box. How do you add a box. The tutorial goes over copying, dragging, rotating, texturing, pulling, chopping, fucking, slicing, dicing, ripping, tearing of the existing brush cube then he goes on and draws a new one without ever mentioning how.

Okay, so I am making some kinda ghost seeker missile. It is invisible until it hits the enemy and kill him right away.
I tried to make it home as aggressively and fast as possible, but for some reason it won't always do that.
Anybody got more experience with homing missiles and such?

Here's the code


Default
{
Speed 5;
Projectile;
Damagetype "Divine";
+SCREENSEEKER;
+SEEKERMISSILE;
+FORCERADIUSDMG;
+FOILINVUL;
+EXTREMEDEATH;
+NODAMAGETHRUST;
+STEPMISSILE;
+BLOODLESSIMPACT;
+BRIGHT;
+NOCLIP;
-SOLID;
MaxTargetRange 32;
VisibleAngles 0,0;
}
States
{
Spawn:
TNT1 A 1 A_SeekerMissile(80,90,SMF_LOOK|SMF_PRECISE,256,32);
Loop;
Death:
HAGO A 1 A_PlaySound("hago",0,1,false,ATTN_NONE);
HAGO AAAAAAABBBBBCCCCCDDDDDEEEEEEEEEE 1 Bright
{
A_SeekerMissile(80,90,SMF_LOOK|SMF_PRECISE,256,32);
}
HAGO F 1
{
A_Explode(9999,1,0,0,1);
A_PlaySound("zap",0);
}
HAGO F 2 A_PlaySound("thunder",0);
HAGO F 3;
HAGO E 48;
HAGO DCBAA 5;
Stop;
}

>>5683726
Press exit to go back to default mode
Drag with the the mouse

>>5683726
click and drag with nothing selected and no tool enabled

Okay, so I am making some kinda ghost seeker missile. It is invisible until it hits the enemy and kill him right away.
I tried to make it home as aggressively and fast as possible, but for some reason it won't always do that.
Anybody got more experience with homing missiles and such?

Here's the code


Default
{
Speed 5;
Projectile;
Damagetype "Divine";
+SCREENSEEKER;
+SEEKERMISSILE;
+FORCERADIUSDMG;
+FOILINVUL;
+EXTREMEDEATH;
+NODAMAGETHRUST;
+STEPMISSILE;
+BLOODLESSIMPACT;
+BRIGHT;
-SOLID;
MaxTargetRange 32;
VisibleAngles 0,0;
}
States
{
Spawn:
TNT1 A 1 A_SeekerMissile(80,90,SMF_LOOK|SMF_PRECISE,256,32);
Loop;
Death:
HAGO A 1 A_PlaySound("hago",0,1,false,ATTN_NONE);
HAGO AAAAAAABBBBBCCCCCDDDDDEEEEEEEEEE 1 Bright
{
A_SeekerMissile(80,90,SMF_LOOK|SMF_PRECISE,256,32);
}
HAGO F 1
{
A_Explode(9999,1,0,0,1);
A_PlaySound("zap",0);

}
HAGO F 2 A_PlaySound("thunder",0);
HAGO F 3;
HAGO E 48;
HAGO DCBAA 5;
Stop;
}

And how do I make it stop moving after the explosion frame?

Can anyone here recommend a good twitch shooter that's fast and has a lot of movement with a single player mode?
Besides Quake or Doom, of course.
Anyone know a good game like this?

>>5683784
Dusk has great movement

>>5683795
no
Dusk has shitty emulated bunny-hopping

>>5683812
Well it's fun you elitist grinch.

>>5683784
Wolf 3d.

>>5683795
>>5683812
>>5683817
I actually already played all of Dusk. I like it. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for, regardless of what year it was made. I just can't think of any others and I want more... Playing mods is an option, yes, but I'd like another game like that if there are any.
Anyone have any others?

>>5683821
Wolf 3D isn't really about the fast movement and circle-strafing though, since it's mostly hit-scanners. I've played through the first few levels and it's good but not really what I'm looking for right now.

>>5683824
>.. Playing mods is an option
I take you are aware of the dusk movement mod for Doom?

>>5683812
>emulated bunnyhopping
Please elaborate.

>>5683824
If you enjoyed Dusk you'll propably also like amid evil. The movement is not quite as fast and dynamic as in Dusk, but still pretty fun.

Also RTCW has rather fast movement iirc.

>>5683830
>Settling for something that emulates a knockoff.
Disgusting.
http://git.jinotra.in/ijon/quakemovement

>>5683830
I am. That's what I'm going to do next if I can't find another good game here.
>>5683835
I actually just downloaded this yesterday and was excited to try it. Unfortunately it won't run on my computer.
RTCW has kind of fast movement, yeah.

>>5683835
>>5683824
Also I just tried Hexen 2, Heretic 2, Hexen, and Heretic today as well. Overall they weren't bad.

>>5683824
Painkiller has bunny hopping that's a little harder than dusk.
Or try some quake engine games, the jedi knight series is one that keeps strafe jumping in.

>stuck on DOOM 2 M10
I'm completely dry on ammo after M9 and there's a billion enemies with jack shit for pickups. These maps feel like a slog after DOOM.

>>5683831
BH in Quake works as a combo of several old movement glitches, and requires some finesse to use properly.

Dusk adds "bunnyhopping" as a separate deliberate mechanic that requires no finesse at all, piss easy to control and can be achieved just by diagonal jumping.

>>5683850
I downloaded Painkiller 2 days ago, too. I'm sorry if I seem like I'm being dismissive of all the suggestions here but it's true. Painkiller has this awesome bunny hopping but weirdly slow running and something about the enemy placement just feels like it's all slaughter maps, like Serious Sam. Just waves of enemies spawning for no real reason. I appreciate the suggestion though.

>>5683859
>accessible bad

>>5683863
>trivializing advanced mechanic that gives player advantage so significant, most encounters in the game become piss easy
>intentionally lowering skill ceiling
gee, i don't know why that would be bad
why not also give a fighting game player an ability to execute infinite combo by just mashing a button while we're at it

>>5682858
>>5682837
>>5682827
They best bit is one of the developers made a load of Capstone stuff open source a few years ago, but it was riddled with 90s and early 2000s malware.

He put up a disclaimer on his website saying 'lol sorry this shit is infected, but its' all old malware so just scan with your antivirus'

>>5683869
Dusk is a fun game. Do you not think so?

>>5683880
retro purists are retarded, just ignore him.

>>5683869
The "exploit 5 bugs at the same time to execute basic movement" and memorizing long extremely specific inputs to perform over basic level in fighting games is the same shit, literally artificial skill floor/ceiling inflation. Unreal Tournament was infinitely superior to the Quake series, because the movement mechanics were actually intentionally designed and there were more usable weapons than le balanced onehit lazor.

>>5683869
It's the sort of shite you get with people who want to have a key to do SR50 for them.

Though lets be fair, Dusk isn't aimed at people who played Quake, and certainly not at people who played it competently it's aimed at people who vaguely recognize the name and want on the nu-"retro" bandwagon.

Anyway Dusk isn't the least bit retro so here's something that is.

>>5683869
>making an exploit easier to accomplished for more players and designing the game with it in mind as an intended mechanic
accessible bad

>>5683889
>nu-retro bandwagon
I've got Dusk and Amid Evil but it won't play on my computer. Please give me more titles from the "nu-retro bandwagon" because I actually kind of enjoy them and nothing else I can find is any good. Wrack was ugly shit. Everything else I found is in Early Access on Steam. What else is there?

>>5683896
Ion Maiden’s pretty good.

>>5683316
If he'd stuck around the Quake 2 enemies would have been a lot more memorable.

Probably the gorepunk would have been increased, like in Quake 4.

>>5683897
I've heard good things about it. I'll check it out even though it's still Early Access.
>>5683908
Something about Quake 2 being really ugly and forgettable makes me not want to play it, and for some reason every game that's based on it is a disappointment for me. Games based on Quake 1 are usually great, if they're single-player, but there's almost none of them I can find.

>>5683824
For new games, Amid Evil comes to mind.

Ion Maiden doesn't have the same movement but it's fun.

Otherwise... go back over the classics. Try the Duskmove and Quakemove mods for Doom.

>>5683904
> i killed a dark god. you?
> almost. i think

>>5683860
painkiller is basically serious sam, but with much more compelling environments and atmosphere, cooler weapon designs, and far fewer monsters
also I think it varies up the arenas better than serious sam does, and the tarot cards are neat (even if they trivialize the game)
imo it's serious sam's good counterpart

>>5683921
To be honest I only played 2 levels of Painkiller before deciding the enemies are generic and randomly placed and I missed Quake. I'll give it another shot when I get the chance.

>>5683890
>>5683887
Imagine getting a BFG and a steady supply of ammo at the start of every Doom level

>>5683927
imagine continuously making bad analogies to justify your position.

>>5683925
well if you don't like "get locked in a room until everything is dead", you won't really like painkiller, because that's the majority of the gameplay
I just think it pulls that gameplay off a lot better than serious sam

Is Doom mapping scene still active after all those years? Ever since I was a kid I wanted to make some doom maps, but never got around learning how, and now I feel there might be no point if there's nobody to show them.

>>5683915
>>5683896
Amid Evil visuals really confuses me. I can understand not having texture filtering - that's the right thing to do. But not having mip-mapping an anisotropy, combined with amount of PBRd textures make so much shimmer it makes impossible to make out things in the distance anyway.
And the only way to remedy this is to use shitty ass antialiasing that blurs the fuck out of the whole picture.

Otherwise the game is good, but I definitely won't be replaying it.

>>5683936
Yeah, new megawads pop up all the time.

>>5683896
Project Warlock

>>5683936
Anon, what do you think this thread is for

They even have the equivalent of the Oscars but for Doom maps every year (Cacowards).

>>5683936
check the OP

>>5683929
imagine not understanding the need for higher skill ceiling
that's main reason 'DmC' (the one with dOnte) and SF5 sucked so much ass

>>5683951
Imagine bringing up DmC in a retro fps thread.
The absolute state of you.

>>5683896
you get to play as a futa in Hedon

>>5683954
>big tiddy romero
NO WHY

>>5683943
>flat samey wolf-like levels
yeah, no.

Why the hell every time a noname indie tries to make "Old shootar inspired by... like Dewm!", they end up making primitive Wolfenstein clone instead?

>>5683954
>imagine lacking capability for abstract thinking
we get it, you're retarded, no need to prove it further

>>5683959
I played Hedon 3 days ago too though, the first 3 levels anyway. Not even kidding.

>>5683951
>DMC sucked because of the skill ceiling
lmao no, that game had way more problems than skill level.
>SF5
The difference being that SF5 is a competitive multiplayer title as opposed to a single player shooter.

>>5683937
>tfw I still don't know how visual effects work beyond Bilinear and Trilinear bad, pixels good
I can't see a difference with AA and have no fucking clue what ambient occlusion is. Also "nearest" and "mipmap" and "none" all look exactly the same. What's the difference?

>>5683961
It's all about selling off of misdirected nostalgia using a game they intentionally make look like shit.

>>5683963
my only complaint is that I wish I couldn't immediately tell the artist drew porn of his game just by looking at the sprite for the main character.

>>5683962
>abstract thinking
>DmC
Yeah,i'm the retard here.
Do us all a favor,and blow it out your ass.

>>5683967
>that game had way more problems than skill level
Yes, but skill ceiling was a maor problem as well, and much easily demonstrable

>>5683961
>flat samey wolf-like levels
You didn't play it.

>>5683961
i think the worst part is that it actually had 3d stuff and even slopes, but never used it for anything other than visuals and a transition area or two

>>5683970
Yeah that was noticeable. But it was also just really slow as an fps game...

>>5683943
The trailer makes this game look great. This is the first one suggested to me so far that I haven't heard of. I will definitely try it at least.

>>5683968
antialiasing smooths out the edges of 3D faces
ambient occlusion adds shadows where faces intersect
mipmaps are progressively smaller versions of a texture, used when the texture's small enough on your screen that using the full-size version is not only pointless, but would create nasty moire patterns with nearest neighbor interpolation

here's what the various mipmap options do: https://imgur.com/a/ETSgfp1
pic related: what anisotropic filtering does

>>5683968
Normally, AA supposed to smooth out edges of polygons. Shitty AA smoothes out everything.
Here's a gallery for mipmap/anisotropy options https://imgur.com/a/H7uNE

>tfw no one wants to talk about the chad of video games

>>5684001
He comes up pretty often, anon

I have a bit of trouble with downloading mods for ECWolf. So, some of the mods are SDL, what does this mean? Will it run on ECWolf? So far I've downloaded ECWolf compatible mods but they're only a few compared to SDL.

>>5683997
>>5683992
So linear mipmap texture filtering smooths the textures and makes it look kind of blurry while AA only smooths the edges of polygons. Is that correct?

>>5683920
He almost killed Caleb

>>5684001
We talk about trees all the time.

>>5683920
Didn't Duskdude merge with Nyarlathotep, essentially becoming the baddie?

It's like if Caleb had been possessed by Tchernobog at the end of Blood.

>>5684001
Not anymore.

>>5683896
Wrath: Aeons of Ruin looks promising. Not out yet though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1wXRrkC6Y

>>5684001
But that's not a chad,pic related is.

>>5682763
>>5682773
Not Saturday anymore, but here... more pics:

>>5684012
>So linear mipmap texture filtering smooths the textures and makes it look kind of blurry
no, that's what happens when you use linear/bilinear/trilinear filtering for all textures
mipmapped textures are only used for textures that appear small on the screen, and exist to get rid of the shimmering patterns that get created by faraway walls

link to what I'm referring to: https://files.catbox.moe/iye3v5.mp4
first half is with mipmapping off, second is with it on

>>5683402
Show me an appealing alternative.

>>5684012
Completely different things.
When you present a texture at a great distance, there are many texture pixels (texels) that can be present at a screen pixel. GPU has to decide which one, and with your every movement its decision shifts, so you get shimmer when lets say, gray pixel of a stone becomes black pixel of a crack back and forth rapidly. Add gloss or other visual effects applied to texture and you get grey, black and white pixels "fighting" for a spot.
This results in a very unpleasant noisy shimmer and "moire" effect.

(AMID EVIL example) https://files.catbox.moe/ftkb4v.webm

Mipmapping: makes a set of smaller (divided by factors of 2) textures to present at the distance so that you don't waste processing power. Also there's less pixels fighting for a spot and thus much significantly less shimmer. All modern games use it. Results in angled surfaces being mucky.

Mipmaps can be created with different filtering applied to them. For some reason in GZDoom linear one is the sharpest (but only when used for Mipmaps).

Texture filtering: smoothes textures
Nearest - "no filter"
Linear - fastest, sharpest up-close, but in the distance everything becomes increasingly blurry.
bilinear - fast
trilinear - bit sharper and better, still blurs out
Both Bilinear and Trilinear have basic mipmapping as a sideeffect but it's not very good and blurs shit out too much. Bilinear is pretty much obsolete. Trilinear is used in every modern game.

Anisotropy - creates additional subdivided versions of mipmaps to show on angled surfaces, significantly reduces muck that results from mipmapping. Anisotropy x16 results in best quality.

So - nearest filter mipmap linear results in best looking mipmaps, that eliminates shimmer, and Anisotropy fixes everything that could be wrong with mipmaps. - this results in clearest, sharpest picture with least noise.

(cont)

>>5684009
Anyone pls?

>>5683784
https://pastebin.com/FSZQVQV6
I made this list weeks ago with most of these mobility shooters off the top of head. However it's not completely accurate and has some non-retro games in there.

>>5684039
>>5684049
Thank you for the explanation, really.

>>5684063
Awesome thanks

>>5684049
(cont)
FSAA/MSAA - antialiasing. Works within the game, affects polygon edges.
FSAA processes whole picture at higher resolution to get necessary data, then renders polygons with edges at higher res, and scales down.
MSAA - optimized technique, precalculates only edges, only renders them at higher res, and scales down.
Can preserve sub-pixel details , so if a stick, cable or other small detail got reduced to a thin interrupted pixel line, MSAA/FSAA will detect them and present them in picture in a smoothed fashion


SMAA, TXAA, FXAA and so on are image filters instead,
SMAA tries to find polygon edges on already rendered image and blend them with surrounding surfaces. Some times fumbles, but is much, much faster than FSAA/MSAA. Next best thing to use after MSAA.
Can not preserve sub-pixel details since it never actually gets real data about it, so if without AA a cable or a stick or other small detail got reduced to a thin interrupted pixel line, it will still be thing and interrupted.

TXAA and FSAA are shitty smoothing filters than try, but usually fail to find edges and instead smooth out everything in the picture, resulting in a blurry vaseline effect.
(AMID EVIL example) https://files.catbox.moe/bvh0jg.webm
Coincidentally, blurring whole picture also blurs out the shimmer, but the vaselinated tradeoff is shit anyway.

IDK why Amid Evil did not include "no-filter, but with mipmap" option like pretty much every sudo-oldschool shooter and sourceport has.

How do you guys feel about really tall rooms which you'll have to visit again and again on different heights? Would it be annoying or fun?

>>5684086
The idea itself is good. Whether it's annoying or fun depends on your execution of the idea.

>>5684086
put in railings or i'll call osha

>>5684086
>Joy of Mapping 6
>E2M14
You tell me.

>>5684086
If you are going with it make sure to put teleporters for convenience

Before I start properly learning to make doom maps, I need to know if my dream can be realized.

Can I or can I not make a platform that rises several times after different switches are triggered? So far I only found info on lifts, I need to know if should start looking forward towards something else.

What source ports are recommended to play Q2? Looking for something like QuakeSpasm for Q1.

Should I disable crouching and jumping in gzdoom Heretic, or would that not affect the original experience too much?

>>5684149
Don't jump or crouch, but leave bindings to control flight up/down via Wings of Wrath.
Hexen = no crouching, but jumping is allowed.

>>5684141
the vanilla doom format has "raise to next highest floor" specials, but only has "lower to lowest" and "lower to highest" for the other way around
boom extended the doom format to add "lower to next lowest" specials (among many other things)
hexen/UDMF format never had to worry about that in the first place

>>5684146
>What source ports are recommended to play Q2?
It is not recommended to play Q2 under any circumstance

>>5684149
jumping is for hexen and strife
crouching is for quake 2
if you want to have the intended og experience, keep them off
i don't remember if it was hexen or heretic that gave us mouselook

>>5683936
I'ts more alive than even in fact

>>5684156
So as long as I intend to only raise platforms, it will work for regular doom?

I feel like gradually raising bridges would give players a good sense of progress, the way lowering them would not.

>>5683914
>Something about Quake 2 being really ugly and forgettable makes me not want to play it,
People really blow this out of proportion.

>>5684157
You're just being silly now.

>>5684167
even if it didn't, it's not like targeting boom compatibility would stop anyone from playing the maps
the group of people who are so anti-port that they won't even use boom (not even prboom+, DOS boom) is an extreme minority

>>5684146
It runs fine on modern systems, but Yamagi is probably what you're looking for.

>>5684154
>>5684159
Cool, I've been wanting to play Heretic and Hexen for a while. I've always had a soft spot for those dark fantasy settings that are really simple, like think Diablo 1 and 2. It's the fact that everything isn't fleshed out adds to the dark atmosphere if that makes sense.

Can I use ECWolf with mods that are made in SDL?

>>5684063
Was the lack of 6DOF shooters in this list intentional? I know you don't exactly go HUH HUH HUH all over the place, but still.

More people really ought to try out Descent & Overload, imo

>>5684187
I know it's not a shooter, but I'd encourage you to look into Soul Reaver, if you enjoy dark fantasy settings that don't flesh out everything.

>>5684235
Yeah I played Blood Omen a couple years ago and I enjoyed it. I was working my way through Soul Reaver but my controller I was using janked out.

Remember when these threads were about retro FPSes?

Quake is now 23 say something nice to our hero.

>>5684246
huh

any TCs or doom clones where I can shoot some ayys?
I guess Duke counts but I was hoping for more traditional xenos to blast.

>>5684246
HUUH!

>>5684246
heurgh

>>5683347
>>5683357
>don't use one of the most mainstream doom mods to introduce people.
are you serious?

>>5684246
HUH

>>5684213
I would think so, but you should get Wolf4SDL just in case it doesn’t work with ECWolf.

>>5684246
EENF?

>>5684225
It wasn't intentional. I was mostly going off what I played at the time. I did later play a bit of Descent though and didn't like it it because the lack of texture variety compounded how much of a mindfuck 6DOF is to navigate.
>>5684253
I haven't seen much talk about Alien Breed 3D, maybe try that out.

>>5684278
Exactly. Just use the actual freaking game, no?

>>5683373
>It makes the game playable in 2019
No? gzdoom with WASD movement and horizontal-locked mouse aim works fine.
If I want to play doom its because I want to play doom not some mod that changes the base gameplay entirely.
t. zoomer

>>5684284
Thank you! Too bad that mods are created on two separate source ports. I don't know the difference between them but I'll give it a shot.

>>5684321
You can and should look these things up yourself, you know.

>>5684246
> pentagram pickup sound

>>5684246
A, HEUH, A, A, A, A, AGH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_nfH-HTOWw

>>5684328
At last, someone who knows how to please Mr. Ranger.

>>5683853
In the big white room with brown vines, the center pillar is usable.
Also, NEVER go right to the large open center area if you're having trouble with ammo.

>sgdq on one monitor
>trenchbroom on the other
*sips water*
ahhh this is the life

Ok, I might be dumb as hell, but how can I get a friendly monster to roam right from the beginning of the map?
I have it set in GZDoom Builder as friendly(MBF), but before I shoot something, it won't move at all.

>>5684321
No problem. The difference is that ECWolf is based off of the ZDoom ports, while Wolf4SDL is more accurate to the original Wolf3D, but with a few improvements.

>>5683784
Rise Of The Triad

>>5684351
Have the beginning of the map force you to shoot a switch to proceed, maybe?

>>5683853
>18 secrets
The important ones are in the big barracks room. You'll want all of those.
Shoot the big UAC logos.

>>5683943
The character movement sucks, the weapons are mediocre, lots of cheap encounters, you restart the whole level and it runs like crap.
What a waste of good sprite animations.

>>5684373
So...Should I go for Wolf4SDL instead? I want it as close to vanilla as possible.

good god why does this game feel like having a fish eye lens strapped to your face?
I think I'm going to be sick

>>5684029
this,
>nu-b.j shoot nazi soldiers, androids & space marines all the while complaining bout "muh past"
>this motherfucker shootin up nazi soldiers super soldiers, undead & literal demons trying to stop the end of the world.

>>5684406
Change FOV?

>>5684406
It's still a solid FPS, anon...

>>5684398
Sure. It’s pretty good.

>>5684406
go to your aleph one folder, open up the "Scripts" folder, make a text file with ".mml" at the end, and put this in it
><marathon><view><fov normal="110" extra="150" tunnel="70" /></view></marathon>

the FOV is measured based on the width of your monitor, so while the default is probably bearable with a 4:3 montior, it's absolutely horrible for 16:9

>>5682746
Everything Doom has really dead lately, I thought the Eternal hype would help alleviate that.
Are there any megaWADs coming soon or something? I'm fucking bored.

>>5684417
Just play wolf or something similar to doom.

>>5684417
BTSX3 baby

>>5683220
Both are great, but for some reason Hexen 2 seemed more "hollow" or empty to me

>>5684428
Every time I start Hexen I quit right after finishing the first hub

are there any mods that alleviate the tedium a bit?

>>5684032
>screenshot doom
what the FUCK
simply a question but why not map for quake 3? did you want to see what all you could do? looks great regardless, is it a singleplayer level?

>>5684426
Well shit, how soon?

>>5684436
Hell if I know
SUNDER also updated with new maps recently and its going to add more

>>5684431
Try Hexercise if it's the combat that bothers you. Not much to be done about the maps but to play custom hubs, though. Oddly, Hexen mappers don't ever seem to bother with full megawads.

>>5684253
I knew this image would come in handy someday

>>5683357
wow was legit going to introduce my nephew to Doom using the Windows 95 Odyssey CD, has a shareware copy of Doom95 on it, do I have your blessing /vr/?

>>5684442
shame it's not optimized for widescreen, playing as the fighter you can see the cutouts of your arms

is there a way to get the first piece of the BFG so I dont have to do the first hub again?

>>5684456
summon fweaponpiece3 (or mweaponpiece3 or cweaponpiece3, depending on your class)

>>5684454
why not crispy?
if he finds the crunch too spooky you can give him PRBoomGL

>>5684414
thanks that seems to have helped a bit. There's a really odd warping effect when moving with the camera at a vertical angle, was the original not meant to have vertical aim?

>>5684432
> screenshot doom
> looks like quake 3
blatantly zanieon
so yes, hunters moon is sp

>>5684328
BRRRUUUUUUAAOOOOOMMM

>>5684454
I recall Doom95 being absolutely inacurrate, you could just use Choco, Crispy, or PRB+

>>5684253
>>5684454
If only there was X-COM Doom mod

>>5684491
X-Piratez has Doom monsters. Reversed but close enough.

>>5684476
>>5684461
to be honest its the one I grew up with and any issues it has doesn't get in the way for a first time player

with people complaining about there being too many slaughterwads, does idgames categorize which wads fit the criteria and which don't?
also, i like how moonblood has had more than 3 skyboxes
reminds me of jenesis
>>5682994
in qc when?
she could save the game if they don't fuck her up

>>5684351
there is an action that alerts monsters that you could use in a script that runs when the map begins

This feels more like a /wip/ question but I felt like the game masters here could give their opinion.
The original Baron sprites don’t really give him eyes, but rather an “outline” of them with dark shades of red. However, the Reaper mini gives him a clear and detailed face with eyeballs. Should I:
>make them the same red as the rest of him so they blend in
>make them a lighter shade of red, or even orange, so they pop out just a little
>go the D44M route and give him green eyes so they complement his hands

>>5684548
Hm

>>5683220
Hexen and Hexen 2 are the next steps in the proper Serpent Riders trilogy, where-in you fight the other two riders, Korax and Eidolon. However, there's also Heretic 2 which continues the story of Corvus, the player character and epסnymous Heretic from the first game.

>>5684246
Happy birthday Ranger and happy birthday Sonic

>>5684564
damn, now that’s quite out of the blue, I quite like it.

>>5684548
How about bright white?

>>5684548
Pick your poison

>>5684601
> baron on drugs

>>5684548
make them obscure or shadowed by its eyebrows

>>5684601
>Caco, this isn't weed!

>>5684564
That’s a very interesting choice. Looks good but might be a bit of “artistic liberty”
>>5684592
Dunno, I never got that vibe from looking at him.
>>5684601
Nice. I like the orange.
>>5684609
That’s the safest bet, probably.

I decided to go the D44M route at first, and it doesn’t look half bad. However, I actually own the D4 Baron, and I want them to be a little differentiated, so I’m probably going to go with dull orange. If that doesn’t work, I’m going to shadow them under the eyebrows.
Thanks for the suggestions.

Can i open a map in trenchbroom from somebody else to see how shit works and how youres supposed to have a proper functional level?

>>5684592
Sloppy edit is sloppy

>>5684564
he looks like he’s crying because someone called him a walking door
>>5684619
>baron picks up the invul sphere

>>5684618
if you're talking about the BSP file, no; you'd need a tool to convert the BSP files back to MAP format

>>5684618
absolutely
You are strongly advice to open your favore id levels too and prod around to see how everything works

most people include the map source when they upload their stuff nowadays, so no one is going to yell at you

>>5684463
This was one of the earliest games to have vertical aim. If you wanna get rid of the weird warping effect go to the graphics option and set it to OpenGL(Shader) if you're using the stable version of A1 but if you're using the newest beta build of A1 set it to OpenGL and check the 3d effect on

>>5684609
Faking shadows on a statue probably isn't a good idea

>>5684417
Golden Souls 3 got announced though.

Here's the poor bastard after a very, very rough first pass. The green eyes popped out a bit too much, so I turned them back into the base red. Will try anons' alternatives.
>>5684642
I've heard that since miniatures are at such a small scale, light reflects off of them differently, which is why people use shades and washes to fake them. But I'm a newfag to this, so I can't say anything for certain.
Anyways, /wip/ makes more since for this stuff so I'll be dipping out.
>>5684665
based

Which is currently the best version of GZDoom for modding? I am currently using 3.4, but I feel like I'm way behind the times.

>>5684683
Mmmmm. I love meat jerky.

Would you recommend Sunder to a new player?

>>5684704
I remember listening to an episode of Doom radio where the guest was talking about it was their introduction into slaughtermaps
so maybe

Reminder valve drones
>>5682738

>>5684584
I know it's Quake Champions, but where does Galena come from in the Heretic/Hexen setting?

>>5684786
Hard to tell. She has a VERY similar looking insignia to say the least, but her story doesn't directly connect her to the lands of Parthoris, Cronos, or Thyrion as far as I know.

>>5682746
I somehow made that list.

Well, here's one of my Quake 2 maps with RTX on.

>tfw no Doom 3 RTX
That game sucks ass but the engine still looks fantastic

>>5684836
And here's another.

It looks best in the thumbnails for some reason, I think it is the textures.

>try making a quake map
>a platform at a height -8 works properly
>at -9 the level doesn't even load
I probably shouldn't be begging for help, but this is busting my nuts and I really don't know what's broken, here's the file if you want to check it
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zrdr437b86oo0nj/huh.map/file

>>5684839
Grainy shadows. Untrained AI something something RTX.

>>5683373
Instead of calling you names im gonna try this. Why do you think its improved? I'm talking about bd, not default gzdoom features

>>5683373
Obvious bullshit lul
Take this (You) for effort

>>5684806
So I guess her cult must've been a world that was conquered by the Serpent Riders.

DOUK KNIFEM

>>5682763
I work on Saturdays.
random texture work

>>5684926
chonky

>>5684860
can't help you with that but If you dont get an answer here you might want to try in func _msgb

>>5683970
Hedon's awesome once it gets going, though, the atmosphere is darn good and the music is also really nice
Can's say I disagree with the dev's taste either

>>5684926
yeah i prolly shoulda taken a screenshot closer up, but i didn't.
or in a different engine, but i 99% of the time test in chocolate doom so that's how my setup is set up.

>>5684950
wall too bright for an otherwise such dim place

>>5682763
Pretty basic, but this is the entrance to my level I'm working on for HUH.

These threads get a lot more comfy when there's more going on with releases. When people have nothing to do they just bait hard as fuck and try to start arguments.

>>5683936
use google more.

People have been making new shit for doom constantly since it came out, it has never even come close to stopping.

Also, read the sticky.

any of ya'll tried playing Dakka with colorful hell? I just got through playing for about 30 minutes and it is a ton of fun so far. I turned on all the monster spawns to really give it some variety.

every level of Doom II I've played so far just feels like a brand new level.

>>5684997
>people already posting progress on their HUH levels

neat
I should post my shit but right now its all textureless while I get the rough outline of stuff

Is the Plutonium PAK for Duke Nukem 3D really just levels and assets that didn't make it into the original game that they decided to sell as an expansion pack? The levels seem extremely disjointed and overly gimmicky compared to the first three episodes, and the two new enemies are pretty underwhelming. The Pig Cop Tank in particular is just horrible, it feels like some kind of placeholder enemy.

>>5682746
>[6-22] /vr/ is hosting it's own Quake mapping project! GET IN HERE FAGETS
>https://pastebin.com/j8crafJN
how many people is participating?
only one week?
>deleted my reaction folder yesterday

>>5685014
I did and it was fun until i met some enemies that were a bit too strong for Dakka.

>>5685030
Fuck I forgot to change the deadline
my bad, we had decided on two weeks last thread

DEADLINE CHANGED TO JULY 7th
my apologies

I'm not sure how many are participating as of now, so if you are reading this please give me a (you)

>>5685046
I am participating
>>5685012
>>5684997
is me

>>5685019
Sort of, they obviously retooled the levels to work with the finished game and the new stuff they added.
Derelict is based on a Lameduke map which they basically completely reworked and made into one of the best levels.

>>5685046
If I figure out how the fuck to use TrenchBroom, I might throw something together.

>>5685046
i'd say i'm in, unless my map turns out to be major dogshit

I love Onemandoom's detailed Sigil review. The guy certainly understand quality mapping more than the random anon in /vr/ginchannel.

>>5685046
(You)
>>5685046
(Me)

HUH?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJCos59ZxM

>>5685046
(You)
>>5685030
(Me)

>>5685064
>>5685070
wat

>>5685072
delet

Is Ion Maiden a vaporware project? Based on that early access level, I feel they played all their cards regarding this game.

>>5684417
You've already played The Ultimate Torment & Torture, right?

>>5685064
huh?

>>5685072
>>5685096
anon accidentally tagged the same post twice

guys look, it's baby steps

>>5682743
can't believe my borderliner six year old photoshop is still around

i really should've made josh's shirt green to match doomguy's armor

What's the better way to study doom builder? Do small excercises to learn specific elements or start making proper map checking manual when I need something?

>>5685120
ganbatte anon
I believe in you.

>>5684997
>>5685120
u can do it!

>>5685130
Click and swear! CLICK AND SWEAR AT LINES!

>>5684970
It's not an actual level, just a test area. The room brightness is 192 iirc.

>>5685046
I'm gonna start tomorrow since I have off. Will be my first time using Trenchbroom, so wish me luck, lads.

>>5685172
and people said the cyberdemon had an impressive ass

>>5684997
When I get back home from work I'm gonna start my own HUH level, probably gonna be a techbase because they're always my favorite but we'll see.

>mfw Quake Eater

This level is fucking awful in Evilution. I am not looking forward to Plutonia if it anything like this map as one of the mappers for that made this.

>>5685046
>>5685053
maybe you would be interested in the quakepasta https://pastebin.com/cpjZmazY

>>5685178
They're both good asses.

Anyone know if trenchbroom is able to load .bsp files? I'm trying to get to the compile menu but am unable to, so I figured I'd have to load a compiled map first. I grabbed a quoffee map .bsp but it doesn't show up in the open menu.

>>5685194
TNT hasn't aged all that great imo, Plutonia gets a lot of shit for being a 24/7 Skeleton and Chaingunner festival, but it's actually pretty damn good, I'd at least give it a try.

>>5685172
>>5685196
Recycled ass?

>>5685046
I'm going to be working on a map, here's your (you) friend.

>>5685206
I think TNT is mostly good for most of the game, most of the weak maps are in the last third.
Has strong atmosphere.

>>5685208
Yeah,i think that's a recycled ASSet

>>5685196
step aside stick figure.

>>5685224
Buff is better than a disgusting sack of lard.

>>5685223

>>5685228
why is he smudgy and glowing

>>5685230

>>5685259

>>5684018
That's kinda accurate though, he DID absorb Tchernobogs power and hes still an immoral and sadistic man,

>>5684836
That one looks very nice
A proper use of RTX (doesn't need that everything must be raytracing/pathtracing) would look quite impressive.
I'd love to see Quake 1 with that too

>>5685261

>>5685264
Fair enough.

How do you deal with being stuck anons?
I have a project I've put aside for a week now, and I really want to get it done it so I can at least begin mapping for HUH guilt free
Yet every time I sit down for it I get this dumb mental wall and then I get easily distracted

At first I imagined it was burnout but leaving it for a couple of days did nothing, plus I feel rather guilty when I'm not working on it, and I have some people I don't want to disappoint, so I can't rush it or take too long to deliver

fucking hell I feel like that guy in Punisher MAX that got his balls chopped off and carried them around in a paper cup

>>5685228
upscaled cyberdemon ass

>level has a switch blocked off by a wall, enough room behind the wall to move around
>level is filled with teleporters
>level has three keycards, all of which are needed to clear the level

>there are no teleporters that take you to this area
>>>you have to SHOOT the switch to open the door to end the level
Is this acceptable level design? I feel like it isn't. I know SIGIL did this shit but it telegraphed to the player that you needed to shoot the eyes and made it a recurring element while this is a standalone map.

Am I the only person who thinks that The Inmost Dens is pretty much the perfect Doom level?

>>5685046
I'll try to do something, how many maps are we doing anyways?

>>5685228
way to talk to your mother like that, mister.

>>5685398
each person? as many as you want

>>5684514
>if they don't fuck her up
lmao

>>5685228
>disgusting sack of lard
Hey, you better suck it down

>>5685347
I work on something else, having a single project and nothing else usually means it's real easy for you can get yourself into a rut like this.

>>5682743
Jedi Engine Sourceport WHEN!?

>>5685194
Yeah, it's fucking boring. I reach that map today almost made me want to quit the whole evilution

should THIEF downloads be included in the MEGA links?

>>5685131
damn, how do i geta sorlag friend

>Doom has a million doom clones
>Quake has none

>>5685683
you do like the rest of the degenerates of every kind imaginable: wait for VR to get more popular so more people make obscure waifus

>>5685692
Quake does have an impressive legacy with the different iterations of its engine, just look at HL, CoD, RTCWolf, the Jedi games...the list goes on

>>5685707
Don't forget Elite Force.

>>5685692
Chasm: The Rift is pretty good

>>5685707
If I remember correctly, wasn’t TF2 originally a Quake mod?

>>5685719
indeed it was
If I recall correctly so was Counter Strike

>>5685726
You might be thinking of action quake 2, CS was for goldsource

Opinions on Deus Vult (the first one)? I think that it is sublime.

>try to setup a door to trigger open once you kill the monster guarding it
>Instead it pops every single trigger on my map, including secrets.
>mfw
Im so close to having my HUH level function, but this shit is weird.

TNT run is starting.

>>5685787
Something is getting activated that has a target field added, but no actual target. When that happens it'll trigger everything in the map.

Is it just me or did T2Fix install some modern bloom like lightning into Thief 2?

I don't recall lights looking like that, plus it's running unreasonably slow for such an old game while the original Thief patched with TFix runs fine

helb

>>5685812
Hope you like chaingunners

>>5685812
God this commentary is so monotone and sleep inducing.

>>5685830
nevermind I'm just plain old retarded
changed it with the cgf

>>5683316
you mean if Carmack wasn't a passive aggressive bitch and just put Romero in a choke hold and made him his bitch?

>>5683319
>>5683338
except for gamebreaking turboretard AI pathfinding and many many things that are flat out non functional, can you name one (1) thing wrong with daikatana?

>>5685831
TNT has roughly more than double the amount of not only Chaingunners, but also Shotgunners. Same with Barons of Hell, Revenants, and Archviles, albeit not hitscan.

>>5685870
>if you remove the things that make this game nigh unplayable, it's not so bad