/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5674238
Tetrisphere, baby

Favourite game on the Sega Genesis.

Alien Storm is largely a beat em up but it has FPS and shoot em up segments. Not sure if that's really unconventional though since tons of arcade games were like that.

God game and platformer.

>>5674254
quick rundown

has the top down RTS perspective and a dungeon crawl kind of first person perspective. In fact there are entire levels where you explore vast dungeons with various creatures.

I don't even know what you'd call the genre for this game.

>>5674373
Doesn't matter, that game sucks.

>>5674420
t.Miyamoto

>>5674420
fly, sonygger... fly

>>5674427
>>5674496
He's right, Nights is horse shit

>>5674502
fuck you fag, it's fun

you probly just couldn't get anything higher than a C rank on any level so you hate the game

>>5674238
I hate that this game isn't compatible with vga, I can't even play it anymore, l otherwise great game.

>>5674502
I award you 200 contrarian points, cash them in over at /v/

>>5674539
Runs good on Redream

>b-but emulation bad
Yeah whatever

>>5674545
I emulate, it's just I have my dreamcast sitting there I'd love to fire this up on the real thing, but, yeah, emulation is the only way now

>>5674543
Not him but Nights is widely regarded as pretty shitty, if anything the contrarian opinon is that it's great. I've never even played it, all I know is it's supposed to be weird and shitty. What do you even do? Just fly through rings?

Genpei Tomaden

>>5674549
>widely regarded
Citation needed, it's near the top of every Saturn top games list and has since it came out. Also it would be different if he (you) made an actual argument like "actually nights isn't that good because here are the problems with level design, control, or *insert problem here*" Instead it was just classic /v/tard contrarian shit flinging.

>>5674427
he liked the game retard

>>5674602
I was making a dumb joke that Miyamoto was jealous because he allegedly said that he wished he could have made NiGHTS.

>>5674284
>quick rundown
Turn-based tactical campaign of wizards battling each other over hex maps. You summon creatures to fight for you; as they do so, they gain experience, and some can evolve into more powerful versions once they level up. You can also cast spells to help or hinder monsters or other casters as the battle progress.

Here's a gameplay video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kqCzCACtkw

Gekisha Boy and Pokemon Snap.

Why did camera shooting games like these never take off?

>Not liking Nights into Dreams
Just like homosexuality, not being able to enjoy Nights is a psychological disorder.

>>5674238
Otocky is a interesting little famicom disk game.

It's a sort of musical shump. It plays like a very simple shump but as the player you basically create the music that plays in the game. It's not an amazing game but a pretty cute and cool oddity.

>>5674889
There's a bunch of sidescrolling ARPG's like SotN though.

>>5674539
Runs on dchdmi well, you just have to set it to detect cable instead of force vga though. Well worth it if you can get ahold of it.

>>5674367
This game was weird as fuck

>>5674904
Battle of Olympus play pretty similarly to Zelda 2 if you are looking for more Zelda 2 for some reason.

This little gem

>>5674982
heck yea, loved that game
but it's not unique, it's literally worms in 3D, before worms 3D

>>5674238
Ogre Battle , Robotrek, MOTHER.
Never beat Robotrek or mom though.

>>5674312
>In fact there are entire levels where you explore vast dungeons with various creatures.

Those were bonus levels and hard as fug.

>>5674373
The closest analogue would be a 2D platformer because you're navigating timing movement and timing challenges on a 2D plane, but obviously you're not jumping on platforms. Flightformer?

>>5674373
The closest analogue would be a 2D platformer because you're completing movement and timing challenges on a 2D plane, but obviously you're not jumping on platforms. Flightformer?

>>5674238
the virgin bangai
vs
the chad ranger

>>5675269
>30 fps
>chad

>>5674312
Great game as it is, Dungeon Keeper is not any more unique than any sim game. Being able to walk about your creation in first person is nothing unheard of either, e.g. Theme Park had it, even many versions of Sim City did.

>>5674559
This game was fucking amazing and unique. Trapping and killing objectively good people while trying to resurrect the devil was dissonant as hell. Every time I killed a knight, dragged his corpse to the graveyard and used his soul to create a new monster, I fucking shivered. Too bad its sequels were generic as fuck.

Umihara Kawase

>>5674238
What you posted, but on the Nintendo 64. Insane that it runs.

.

>>5674373
gaynigga simulator

>>5675269
shut the fuck up

>>5675915
At least it doesn't slowdown all the time, like Bangai-Blow.

Fuck Trashure.

>>5674967
DUDE i literally beated it an hour ago
Great game, on the grindy side of hard but its worth it

>>5676048
Glad to see Dark Savior getting some love. Really fitting to this thread not only just because of the parallel system but because its an action adventure puzzle platformer fighter rpg. Easily one of the most unique games Ive ever played.

>>5676194
oh it's you, nevermind then.
Ranger x still plays nothing like Bangai-O then.
Even fantasy zone is more similar to Bangai-o, but the real game that inspired Bangai-O is a PC-88 game called Hover Attack, which does the whole platforming-free roam shooter genre hybrid. Bangai-O included the itano circus element though, which I haven't seen another game implement in the same way.

>>5676229
>sidescrollers where you play as an anti-grav mech shooting shit up are nothing alike
>implies BO is more similar to fucking Defender-likes
The delusion and hilarity of Trashurecucks.

>Bangai-O included the itano circus element though, which I haven't seen another game implement in the same way.
There are lots of bullet hell games, stupid ignorant faggot.

>>5676261
Go look up Itano circus.
Do you know of any bullet hells where missiles leave vapor trail?

>>5676261
>bangai-o
>sidescroller
>'bullet hell'
you are disabled

>>5674904
Underrated Zelda
Probably one of my favorites

>>5676261
Face it australia-kun. You're just displaying your autism again only because Bangai-O is in Nintendo 64. If it was only in DC, you wouldn't bat an eye.

>>5676261
>he thinks Range X is a free-roam shooter
The delusion and hilarity of a cuck who has been cursed to PAL his entire life, and can't come to terms with the fact the rest of the world enjoyed NTSC 60fps.
The delusion and hilarity of an old geezer who can't let go of his childhood playing broken Amiga games
The delusion and hilarity of a mentally unstable guy who has been banned and called out countless times on /vr/ but still insists on forcing his backwards, unironically bad-taste contrarian shit even many years after being called out multiple times on his shit taste.
Just end it man. Do it now.
Also
>thinking danmaku = itano circus
oh boy.

>>5675938
mate, I'd say there is a significant difference between fighting as a dungeon monster and being some civilian. As I said it's a cross of dungeon crawler and RTS.

>>5676261
He's right, Bangai-O and Ranger X are two of my favorite old games but they are very, very different.

>>5674373
NiGHTS sucks
>>5674420
this.

>>5676932
In terms of gameplay? Not really, aside from BO letting you shoot in any direction (similar to another shitty Trashure game, Super Castlevania Bros.).
In terms of stage design? Perhaps, but I'll take RX's tighter, better-flowing levels over BO's free-roam garbage. Also RX has far better boss battles.

>>5676325
>>sidescroller
The camera is facing to the side. What else would you call it?

>>5676492
No because it's a shitty game that gets overrated by Treasure fanboys. It is amusing that the Dreamcast cucked a game from Nintendon't, though.

>Trashure, trashure, super castlevania bros xd me so funny
Australians are not even human

>>5676960
>trying to start a war between ranger X and bangai-O, even bringing up your old, stale scb meme
reaching endless lows again I see.
I feel for your family dude.

>>5676964
the camera is multidirectional. Look up "hover attack", Bangai-O is basically a spiritual successor to it with obviously more fluid, faster controls and the itano circus element (which has nothing to do with danmaku).

>>5676504
>rest of the world
The only people who used NTSC are the whole of North America, a few parts of South America, Japan and South Korea

>>5677763
The camera pans in any direction, that is true, but it's still a horizontal, from-the-side camera perspective, therefore it's a sidescroller. "Side-scrolling" doesn't mean it can only scroll left and right, brainlet.

>>5677763
>and the itano circus element (which has nothing to do with danmaku).

literally the same thing. you're having to evade a massive swathe of enemy fire in both cases

>>5677762
Pretty sure Australia-kun lives with his homosexual partner, not his parents.

oh no he's mad now
>>5679385

>>5674804
>Gekisha Boy

>https://youtu.be/_TVp4fwo_Z8?t=333

wtf?

>>5674278
That game is rad, couln't beat though the second coming of bosses

>>5679368
>you're having to evade a massive swathe of enemy fire in both cases
Have you actually played Bangai-O? Bangai-O is not about dodging bullets, it's about countering them WITH the itano circus. You're the one who fires the itano circus, not the enemies. Also, itano circus mostly makes references to targeted missiles that twists and stuff, not to the classic "bullet curtain" from danmaku games.

>>5680005
>it's about countering them WITH the itano circus.
so in other words a bomb mechanic

god treasurehipsters are retards

>>5680017
You keep moaving the goalpost though, I'll still point out that you suggested that you have to "dodge" bullets in Bangai-O. I ask you again: Have you actually played Bangai-O?
Oh wait, you haven't because you're still mad that Treasure "betrayed" Sega, and stuff.
Seek help dude. You don't know about video games, and you also don't know how to force memes successfully. Every single meme you've tried to force in this board has failed. We all know it's you.

>>5679401
imagine being so mad that you made a thread just to shit on treasure and now its deleted. Sad life.

>>5680026
>I'll still point out that you suggested that you have to "dodge" bullets in Bangai-O.
you do when you don't have a full bomb gauge
also, have YOU played bangai-o? several boss fights can also do "itano circus" style attacks, it's not just you doing it

>muh australian boogeyman
nice meme tho
too bad you just come off as schizophrenic whenever you bring him up though

>>5680042
>you do when you don't have a full bomb gauge
Have YOU played Bangai-O? Even if you don't have a full gauge, you can still counter bullets with normal fire. There's no dodging like in a danmaku game. Bangai-O's hitbox is too big for that, just try dodging a boss' itano attack like you would in a danmaku game and tell me how it goes.
>too bad you just come off as schizophrenic whenever you bring him up though
Come on, at this point any person who has been browsing /vr/ for more than a few months is aware of your shit. It's on the archive anyway.

I remember a while ago at the IRC channel it was mentioned that australia is the one who makes the /ogg/ threads, the sega system threads, the dos-rom threads, etc.
But it was infuriating because instead of perma-banning him, the mods were talking about making fun of him and fucking around with him. They also supposedly doxxed him.

>>5680060
>Even if you don't have a full gauge, you can still counter bullets with normal fire.
you're the one moving goalposts now. you originally said "counter with itano circus", you can't counter with itano circus if your gauge is empty. normal fire is different

>There's no dodging like in a danmaku game.
you can if you get enough distance between you and the enemy to do so. and if you miss with your attacks you will obviously have to maneuver away

>Come on, at this point any person who has been browsing /vr/ for more than a few months is aware of your shit. It's on the archive anyway.
i'm not him, but whatever, keep forcing the australian thing whenever you run out of arguments

>>5680098
>you're the one moving goalposts now. you originally said "counter with itano circus", you can't counter with itano circus if your gauge is empty. normal fire is different
The itano circus is the proper way to actually counter many bullets in Bangai-O, with normal fire you can't do much, but if you're out of gauge, you can run away and try to counter with regular fire.
>you can if you get enough distance between you and the enemy to do so. and if you miss with your attacks you will obviously have to maneuver away
Ah, "maneuver away" is not the same as dodging as in a danmaku. Bangai-O doesn't even stay in place like a ship/loli in a regular shooter would. There's actual physics going on in Bangai-O. If you just let it float in the air, he'll eventually start going down unless you start maneuvering and using the jets for propulsion.
Again: have YOU played Bangai-O?
>i'm not him, but whatever, keep forcing the australian thing whenever you run out of arguments
But I'm still making arguments though, the australia-portion of my posts calling you out is just an extra. Anyway, if you really aren't australia-kun and just happen to be some other random Treasure hater, then blame him for spamming his anti-treasure shitposting for years.

>>5680069
>the sega system threads, the dos-rom threads
That's just sad because nobody gets angry at this.

The real Australia-kun doesn't even come here anymore anyways. It's just a phoney(s) that rehash his old memes and shitposting style.

>>5680126
Right, but people get tired of the spam.
>>5680127
According to the IRC, it's him. They have his IP anyway.

>>5680116
>The itano circus is the proper way to actually counter many bullets in Bangai-O, with normal fire you can't do much, but if you're out of gauge, you can run away and try to counter with regular fire.
right. and the dreamcast version made countering even easier to refill your bomb gauge (which imo is better than how n64 does it by making you have to collect fruits for energy, faster gameplay)

>Ah, "maneuver away" is not the same as dodging as in a danmaku.
only difference is your shots can bullet cancel the enemy's fire, lots of other shmups have a bullet canceling gimmick

>Bangai-O doesn't even stay in place like a ship/loli in a regular shooter would. There's actual physics going on in Bangai-O. If you just let it float in the air, he'll eventually start going down unless you start maneuvering and using the jets for propulsion.
right, there's an anti-grav/hovering gimmick, in fact very similar to ranger x's

>Again: have YOU played Bangai-O?
funny coming from the guy that didn't know other enemies in the game could perform missile volleys
and yeah, i just played a few stages on dreamcast yesterday, this thread made me feel like replaying it
also i don't hate treasure, so you can stop acting persecuted and defensive anytime

>>5680149
>which imo is better than how n64 does it by making you have to collect fruits for energy, faster gameplay
Not really that much of a difference actually. On N64, you can stock up to 1000 bullets (on DC, you have a limited amount of bullets you can shot depending on enemies on screen, never more than 500 iirc). DC is more hand-holdy, but both can be played in the same way. Main difference is that in N64 you'll need to know where it is more effective to shoot the itano circus in order to make combos and upgrade your shots, but you can play the whole game without ever upgrading, if you don't want to. Except maybe for the final stage.
The fruit collecting is something that comes along the way because enemies leave them behind. The only reason to actually collect every single fruit in the game is if you want a 100% destroy rate for score, but you have to also be quick because there's a time score.
>only difference is your shots can bullet cancel the enemy's fire, lots of other shmups have a bullet canceling gimmick
That's not the only difference. You can't dodge between a lot of bullets, again, Bagai-O's hitbox wouldn't allow that. This is not a danmaku shooter.
>right, there's an anti-grav/hovering gimmick, in fact very similar to ranger x's
Yeah, I guess that's the only similar aspect both games have, but still handle it in different ways. Again, Bangai-O is a spiritual successor to Hover Attack on PC-88. Not only in the hover "gimmick", but also in level design and the way you can shoot in 8 directions.
>funny coming from the guy that didn't know other enemies in the game could perform missile volleys
Funny coming from the guy who said you can dodge bullets like in a danmaku.

>>5676261
Yeah calling Bangai-O a bullet hell is erogenous.

Is mischief makers a bullet hell game?

When the fuck is Treasure going to port the third game to Steam? I don't wanna have to get a Microshit console just to finally play it.

>>5680375
I feel you.
Hopefully some day, it seems like fun but I also don't want to get a RRoD machine.

>>5680069
he's also the guy who posts pics of bernie stolar and shitting on saturn, I remember a mod in the irc mentioning that once.
For being a supposed sega fan, australia-kun sure is a weird one. sometimes I think he's just a nintendo fan falseflagging to make sega fans look autistic.

>>5680386
he just position hops to whatever's convenient, the only thing he won't actually shitpost about is the amiga

Fuck yanks
Fuck Trashuretards
Fuck Trannyjanny
And most importantly,
FUCK Nintendildos

>>5674789
You just described the later Brigandine, a game I love. I'll definitely check it out!

>>5680386
Go to Sega-16's forums, it's not that strange to find devout Sega fans that hate the Saturn because they blame it for Sega's ultimate demise.

>but it was successful in Japan!
Yeah, and it tanked everywhere else, securing Sony's absolute take-over of the industry.

>>5680409
As an old Sega fan I don't fully share that sentiment but I do understand it. They made such great games but also such terrible decisions.

>>5680394
>Fuck yanks
>Fuck Trashuretards
>Fuck Trannyjanny
>And most importantly,
>FUCK Nintendildos

>>5680409
There was little companies like Nintendo and Sega could do against Sony.
Sony owned the CD factories (that means Sega was indirectly making money for Sony by pressing Saturn discs), Sony was a multinational corporation with lots of money to burn on advertisement and selling hardware at a loss.
Blaming the Saturn itself for Sony taking over is wrong.
Anyway, as angry as a Sega fan might be because of the way the Saturn was handled in the west, still doesn't warrant the string of bernieposting on this board. I think it smells like falseflag and I agree with >>5680390, australia just seems to be more interested in trolling, I don't really believe he actually likes games at all.

Ranger X > Bangay-O
Nextech > Trashure

Nextech never betrayed Sega like Trashure did.

Keep posting retard, everything you say is comedy gold. The clown of /vr/ you are.

Holy fuck, he's STILL going?

Australia-kun hates Bangai-o? Well, time to finally give this game a go. If he hates it, it must be good.

>>5680623
He just hates that it was on a Nintendo system first. He probably secretly enjoys playing the game, on Dreamcast of course.

>>5680632
>He just hates that it was on a Nintendo system first.
imagine hating a game just because of brand stuff.
It's not like it was even published by nintendo themselves, iirc bangai-o was an independent 3rd party release.

Anyone else think Bangai-O was Treasure's best fifth-gen game?

>>5680720
I thought it was the best Treasure game period.

>>5680293
>erogenous.

>>5681096
ero-genius*

>>5674373
That game controls like fucking dogshit.

>>5681240
This might be the wrongest post you've made yet in this thread yo retard. And that's saying something because you've made a lot of dumb posts.

>>5680720
Yes. Here's my per-gen ranking of Treasure games:

4th: Alien Soldier > Dynamite Headdy > Gunstar Heroes > Yu Yu Hakusho > Light Crusader > McDonald's
5th: Bangai-O (N64) > Silhouette Mirage > Mischief Makers > Radiant Silvergun > Sin & Punishment > Guardian Heroes > Rakugaki Showtime
6th: Bangai-O (DC) > Gradius V > Astroboy > Wario World > Ikaruga > Gunstar Superheroes > Silpheed > Ippo > Advanced Guardian Heroes > Stretch Panic > Dragon D-Drive > Buster's Bad Dream

>we could've had Sin & Punishment on the Saturn made by a collab between Team Andromeda and Treasure
>instead they go to Nintendon't

FUCK TRASHURE GODDAMN

>>5682007
But... Sin and Punishment is not really similar to Panzer Dragoon. Sure they're both on-rails, but play completely different. S&P has ranged melee attacks, dodge mechanics, deflecting mechanics, and even a side-scrolling part on a stage.
PD have 360-rotating camera.
Your anti-nintendo bias is making you say some really stupid stuff, australia. Give it a rest at least for a few days, you're tiring.

>>5682020
>Sin and Punishment is not really similar to Panzer Dragoon.
S&P isn't similar to Star Fox either, that's beside the point. TA would've had a greater influence on the game than Nintendon't, and the game most likely would have turned out much better as a result.

>even a side-scrolling part on a stage.
Typical Trashure, can't stick with making one idea good so they have to throw in other random shite.

>>5682076
I never mentioned that the Starfox team should work on S&P, though.
Anyway, knowing that you're obsessed with nintendo, and suffer because S&P is a nintendo exclusive is kind of a good feel.

>>5682101
>I never mentioned that the Starfox team should work on S&P, though.
You didn't know one of their divisions assisted Treasure on S&P...?

>Anyway, knowing that you're obsessed with nintendo, and suffer because S&P is a nintendo exclusive is kind of a good feel.
EAT A DICK CUNT.

>>5682108
>You didn't know one of their divisions assisted Treasure on S&P...?
I actually didn't, any source? I only knew that the guy who produced from Nintendo's side was the creator of Panel de Pon.

>>5682114

>>5682076
>Typical Trashure, can't stick with making one idea good so they have to throw in other random shite.
Imagine being bitter like you and not being able to enjoy that kind of wicked shit Treasure was pulling off.
The thing with Treasure is that they switch perspectives or objectives in what you're doing in the game but the gameplay is still the same.
The part in Sin and Punishment when you start playing a falling block puzzle game on the train level is insane.
Not to mention the final block being straight up a Space Invaders homage.

>>5682117
Wasn't SF64 developed by EAD?

>>5682120
>The part in Sin and Punishment when you start playing a falling block puzzle game on the train level is insane. Not to mention the final block being straight up a Space Invaders homage.
>shoehorning contra, tetris, space invaders stuff into a 3D rail shump because they can't be original with their own designs
Why do people like Treashit again?

>>5682123
Maybe, point is the game has Nintendo's taint on it. If it had a Sega touch it would suck less.

>>5682168
well too bad S&P is widely considered to be a masterpiece that even got NoA to publish it on the Wii and it sold so well, Nintendo paid for another sequel, which guess what again, it is also considered to be a great game, some say even better than the first game.
Get over it austry, Nintendo got some cool Treasure stuff and you know it.
Laugh at the sonyggers, they didn't get much outside of Gradius V (which you also hate because of no moai, right?)

>>5674238
Trust and Betrayal: The Legacy of Siboot

>>5682007
Meh, no big loss. That level where you're stuck on a flying platform the entire time kills the game, also boring scoring system for a shump.

>>5683046
>That level where you're stuck on a flying platform the entire time kills the game
how so?
>also boring scoring system for a shump.
how so?

>>5674789
battle of wesnoth is literally a rip off

>>5674539
buy a HDMI convertor???

>>5681096

>>5674420
>>5676938
>>5681240
wow! real dumbasses right here on /vr/!

Dreamcast sure was home to a lot of weird shit.

>>5674420
Someone's upset they never figured out how to get an A-Rank.

This game kicks ass and defies genre.

>>5685282
the only good rareware n64 game desu. fuck their cartoony autismo games and their sub-10fps shooters