/vr/ - Retro Games

that's not Final fucking Fight.

>>5677943
>>5677953

That's not Alien vs Predator. I wish we had something similar to it, zooming around the screen to dodge and pounce on things is very fun.

Are we allowed to make a thread on OpenBOR games on VR? There's Super Double Dragon game that came out these days...

It's good but it's not the peak. One thing that feels a bit tedious about this game is the way you can finish off a combo with a throw in any direction. The front throw practically renders the normal full combo useless. It's slightly slower but it gives you full throw iframes along with acting as an AOE attack, the benefits outweigh the slower speed so much that there's no point using the normal combo 99% of the time meaning you'll just be finishing every combo with a throw. Compare this to games where you can only throw behind yourself, there you have more reason to alternate between normal combo finisher and throw finisher. Punisher fixed this by making throws less effective by giving enemies quicker recovery and ways to land softly. Also it has 4 whole characters but they all play too similarly, and Mustapha's kick is retarded strong. Final Fight is the peak IMO which is funny because it's the first of its kind.

>>5678685
Nobody cares about BOR but since it was ported to DOS and Dreamcast it's technically allowed I guess.

>>5678704

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs79Eu4hgco&t=849s

So check this out. Its fun. Take a bad DD with good ideas and make it decent while putting a whole lot of bells and whistles along with it.

Also, it's pretty weird that Doom have a 25 year old community that runs entirely on mods and that doesn't really happen with BOR. I guess very few games are actually good.

This is my favorite arcade game. If you decide to play it make sure you play the hacked rom that restores all the Japanese music and blood effects to the english version.

>>5678762

Why not play the alpha something already?

>>5678768
Alpha Renewal is the hacked rom, it's great.

>>5678772

I thought it was an official revision, not a hack.The more you know.

>>5678772
>>5678776
It's just the international release of the Japanese version you dumb fucks. Alpha Renewal is the same as the Japanese release except there is no karaoke in the credits if you beat the game as Rosa.

>>5678787
Damn, you're right. For some reason I had a dream I had to patch the US rom with the JP rom to create Alpha Renewal but this whole time it was included in the MAME romset.

Still a good game though.

>>5678702
>Final Fight is the peak IMO which is funny because it's the first of its kind.
I love all the Capcom beat-em-ups, but Final Fight is still the king for me because of its sheer brutality.

>>5678872
Yes out of all of them FF is the one that really feels like it's out to kill you with the most aggressive enemies and worst case of snowballing around. It's got some unrefined aspects that give it that character too like a lack of iframes on wakeup and after superjoy usage, so there's always that feeling that you can get mercilessly btfo in most screens.

Here's my customary post that says I enjoy playing the D&D games the most. In anticipation of the one beat 'em up thread poster that always reminds me that the game has shit design and that I'm a pleb, I know, and I don't mind.

>>5679403

>always reminds me that the game has shit design and that I'm a pleb, I know, and I don't mind.

This, but with Final Fight 3. I love that game to death.

>>5679403
Don't worry, THAT guy you're referring to only shitposts on discord now.

>>5679565
Do you know about dash cancelling with lucia and guy, it makes things a lot easier.

>>5679581

The dash cancel is the whole reason I play Guy in the first place.

>>5678702
>The front throw practically renders the normal full combo useless.

Nope. The combo finisher does more damage to all enemies you hit. The throw does very little damage to enemies being hit by the thrown enemy. So there IS a purpose to using the combo finisher. The damage is further increased by the "rage" system. Also, stop nitpicking, you might as well mention how Final Fight has infinites, bosses that require exploits to get around their invincibility, enemy disappearing exploits, Cody knife spam on off-screen enemies, etc, etc, etc. Both Final Fight and Cadillacs are awesome games so just shut the fuck up and stop trying to act smart.

>>5677943
I recently discovered through youtube that C&D has huge hacking scene.
Simply amazing considering I literally grew up with this game in the arcades.

>>5677943
I disagree. And here's why.

>>5681000
That's why I said practically, if you say have enemies pinned to the wall doing a normal combo is fine (although they can sometimes sneak in hits for some characters like Mess who has slow recovery after the last hit, go figure), but in most situation you're going to be spamming that shit. Final Fight's infinites ARE bad and Cody's knife spam IS bad but both require set up, are more situational and in the knife spam's case Haggar can't do that shit. I'm guessing you're talking about Sodom with the boss invincibility comment? You don't HAVE to use exploits, if you position yourself right as he's dashing you can just grab him out of the dash and not worry about his wake up invincibility.
>stop trying to act smart.
Ah yeah my bad for discussing the game I'll just post game titles next time

>>5678762
or just download the japanese version

>>5679572
he's dead from stomach pain due to heavy /shmupg/ seeth sessions

>>5677943
What do you emulate these on?

>>5681797
>Emulating a game that has PC version for 20+ years

>>5681795
rip in piece, based ceethe

>>5677943
>peak Capcom

OK.

pic related is peak beat 'em ups in general though.

>>5682379
fuck why did I post that weird version of the cover

>>5682382
Japanese version of Super was great as well.

>>5678685
Just played through co-op AvP on an actual cab today. Was a good time.

>>5679264
>flaws r a good thing
the absolute state of nostalgiatards

What’s the cheapest way to get old video game systems (NES to PS2)

>beat em ups
awful shitty genre

>>5683272
robbery

>>5683263
It simply doesnt include as many safety nets as later bmups, not really a flaw outside of maybe the fatasses being able to keep headbutting you. But yes "flaws" can make games more fun to play, same as how many good mechanics are the result of bugs or exploits.

>>5683285
based

>>5683285
I tried getting into bmups, they just aren't that exciting for me. Not sure why. They just feel like fighting games with downsyndrome, if that makes sense.

>>5683471
So a downs with downs?

>>5683473
not sure what you mean, fighting games are cool as fuck and (most) are mechanically solid. Most bmups are really janky.

>>5683471
Which fighter lets me fight huge groups of aggressive enemies that wont hesitate to stunlock me?
inb4 tekken force, thats like a snes bmup with downs

>>5683541
> fight huge groups of downsyndrome AI waiting to be herded like cattle, over and over and over
I don't know why you'd want to

>>5683558
I don't, which is why I play 2D bmups like Final Fight where enemies seriously wreck your shit if you leave them alone, instead of musou shit

>>5683562
same concept but more punishing.

>>5683604
And more fun, more exciting, better designed and all around better. Of course the concept's the same, musou is a beat em up too, the execution is what matters.

>>5683627
>bmup
>fun and exciting
>fighting waves of the same 3 mobs over and over
>absolute shit level design, empty corridors over and over
>the dumbest bosses in gaming history who get cheesed by punching off screen and other gimmicks

>>5683638
The fuck kinda smooth brain criticizes beat em ups for their level design? The whole point is encounters, it's always been the point and remains the point in 3D bmups to this day. Also stop playing SNES games, most arcade titles allow a ton of enemies on screen, and the enemy types are challenging and varied with several different moves and different roles in combat. That's why you can have an 8 enemy screen in Final Fight that's harder than any boss could ever be.

>>5683650
hey if you like bad arcade games, that's fine, you're entitled to that.
I just want what's best for you, and bmups ain't it.

>>5683660
Have you even 1cc'd a single one?

>trannies whining about bmups again

>>5678872
It's a shame the sequels were for the SNES, they're really good games limited by the hardware, especially the number of enemies on screen.

Beatem ups is a genre that is ONLY fun if you play them for 1cc.
Change my mind.

>>5683752
More like they're only unfun if you spam credits, a 2cc or 3cc can be plenty of fun especially for beginners. Infinite lives with instant respawns would ruin any game though, using that system for arcade games was a mistake.

it's pronounced "beat them up"

>>5683958
you spelled "belt scroller" wrong

>>5685114
Pretty sure it's "Jab in Jog" sorry

Can /vr/ even 1cc babby's first bmup?

Bump.

Bump.

>>5677943
i don't get it, all you do is mash a button??

Literally the best game ever made.

>>5688478
If all you do is mash a button you'll die like a bitch

Thoughts on Crime Fighters 1?

Kinda fun, but it's clunky and overly weapon-reliant. The problem is if you get hit once you lose your weapon.

>>5690076
>Thoughts on Crime Fighters 1?

One of the worst beat 'em ups ever made. Arguably worse than the arcade version of Double Dragon 3.

>>5690104
>Arguably worse than the arcade version of Double Dragon 3.

Yikes! It's that bad, eh?

Any thoughts on:

The Ninja Kids
Hook
Zero Team 2000
Metamorphic Force
Ninja Gaiden (arcade)

>>5690115
>The Ninja Kids
Haven't played.
>Hook
Solid.
>Zero Team 2000
Not bad. Only played it once, but didn't really have any issues with it.
>Metamorphic Force
Good game.
>Ninja Gaiden (arcade)
Eh... Certainly not on par with the NES games.

>>5679403

you are correct that Capcom's D&D games are > Final Fight

Would rather play Streets of Rage 1 over Final Fight also

>>5690115
>Metamorphic Force
One of the best Konami bmups, very simple and straightforward but fast paced and fun. Some aspects are really frustrating though, like the ground attack can be finnicky, and enemies get grab invincibility when attacking. Also bosses are all fought the exact same way, and the only reason they're challenging is because you can't interrupt their attacks which can be annoying. Super easy on normal, but actually on par with most Capcom's games on the hardest setting.

>>5690170
Why

Final Fight always felt clunky to me and not fluid

D&D felt more fun in arcades during era due to the multiple kinds of fantasy enemies, items, classes to choose from, etc

Streets of Rage also felt darker, preferred the visuals/music

>>5690196
If you credit feed yeah I guess. FF is an acquired taste, feels clunky at first but then everything clicks and it feels really good to play, besides maybe a lack of superjoy input buffers. Though, you consider FF clunky but like D&D ToD?

>>5690025
>Guardroid fights

Nah. A good 9/10, though.

>>5690025
>>5690641
Despite having little in common with the comics it's based off of, it's still arguably the best Final Fight clone ever made.

>>5691889
>little in common with the comics it's based off
It actually stays pretty true to the comics. Every single enemy cames from the comics.