/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5675641
All the FF games are bad.

>>5675641
>anyone else tried this autistic endeavor?
yes ive done the same thing you are describing just to confirm my suspicions over everyone parroting the same thing.
FF games in general are incredible waste of time.

>>5675641
>and attacking my own party
>he fell for the meme

let me guess, you put all three characters in the front row, made them dual wield and gave them every spell

>>5675641
>(famicom translated) to satisfy my autistic need to say i've beaten EVERY final fantasy
English version doesn't count.

>>5675643
what are your favorites then? i'm not actually that widely experienced in the genre, i've just always wanted to complete this whole series specifically. in fact these two are the ONLY ones i've ever actually finished.

>>5675649
no i'm not actually retarded, just engaged in retarded activities. firion was red mage sword with lots of white magic, guy was a general purpose axe tank with strong cure in the back pocket, and maria was the black mage who ended up mostly being a bowfighter by the end. basically their designated roles just taken further

>>5675651
i might be autistic enough to do this in the first place but not enough to learn moon for media shit

>>5675653
Don't listen to that dude. There's probably an FF for everyone, they are so different and weird. There's even a decent FF action game (Crisis Core).

>>5675641
>anyone else subject themselves to this?
Played it to completion in tenth grade also in the hopes of beating the whole series. Sadly I never actually finished the whole series but have completed a lot of the worse entries. Haven't done IX or XII much to my chagrin.

I've done this with both FF and DQ. Lemme tell you, DQ2 is fucking misery

>>5675658
>put only one naked character with a shield in the front so every enemy can target him
>once his evasion is raised to 10-99% he becomes literally invincible
>other character in the back buffs him with berserk until he can kill endgame bosses with one or two hits
>third backrow character can focus on healing

I've finished this game with all my characters having less than 1000 HP, the "hit yourself" advice is a meme that turns out to be harmful since endgame undeads deal percentage based damage that can OHKO you

the random encounter rate however is indefensible

>>5675669
oh i'm not, like i said i'm all in, if i forced myself through the one unequivocally shit broken one for my autism then everything else is gonna be smooth sailing. i've at least dabbled in some of the others but never completed them, so now it's all new territory and tying up loose ends. whatever weird issues VIII has for example are going to seem like nothing after this. and III i've seen described as a peak of the series, and it's also the one i know the least about going in, so that should be cool

>>5675694
play VII, VIII, IX, X, and XII on switch while laying in bed

>>5675693
hm, that's pretty interesting, never thought of that. i still killed the emperor like nothing, leon with the blood sword. but mostly i'm glad i don't have to think about any of this weird exploit shit anymore, at this point i'm just excited something functional is on the horizon and i get to explore the job system

>>5675718
2 is a game that's a nightmare if you don't know what you're doing and piss easy if you do
3 is great (best NES FF) but it overuses certain gimmicks in dungeons (you'll see) and the final dungeon is a 3 hour motherfucker with no save points

All FFs after that are piss easy for the most part

>>5675641
>I played the game wrong in a very stupid and unfun way
>it's the game's fault I didn't like it
Every time.

>>5675735
oh fuck off, the game itself is wrong and stupid and unfun. it punishes you for treating it like it should work. entire systems are broken or pointless. even if it worked normally it would be the worst FF. this is just my completion autism.

It's Kawazu designed mechanics so obviously it's shit.

>>5675743
No, it punishes you with boredom for doing dumb shit like hitting your characters for hours instead of just playing the fucking game.

>>5675779
just playing the fucking game and "cooperating" with it doesn't work. it's broken. if you actually treat it like a normal game it will just fuck you in the ass, and not in a cool challenging way, no, it will just fuck your naive little boy booty for expecting the system to work. it does not reward you for treating it respectfully. it's so screwed up you don't even know where that line is. my only regret is not exploiting it as effectively as i could have with the self attacking.

>Play the game bad
>Only enjoy games with obvious waifus and 'japanese humor'
>"Where is my cool spiky protagonist?!"
You probably will hate the forced job sections of III.

>>5675825
i played it like it deserved to be played and i'm stoked for III and the job system, i'm not a moron, don't put shit in my mouth. there is simply no way to play FFII that isn't bad. it IS bad. it simply does not work as intended, so i chose not to pretend. even if it did work like the other games, hell, even if its own system was fixed as is, it would still be the worst.

>>5675835
>i'm not a moron, don't put shit in my mouth.
You admitted it yourself in >>5675662.

>>5675843
huh? because i said 'autism' and don't feel like learning a complex new language just for media? okay

>>5675850
Yes, you are clearly intellectually impaired.

>>5675853
that's really it? please elaborate i'm too stupid to follow you

>>5675641
>so much time wasted listening to podcasts and attacking my own party.
All you get from attacking your own party is HP, which is probably the least useful stat in the game. Not to mention, if you're ever at a point where you can safely attack yourself, you're already overpowered for the area you're in. What a retard.

>>5675886
eh, i found the HP pretty useful with my party. and it helped with magic as well, especially white. i considered it essential for temp party members, and yeah, obviously you would do it in a low powered area, where else? it sucked but i probably didn't spend as much time at it as you think, most time was in dungeons, i just buffed up once in a while

>>5675728
Fuck Cerberus How in the actual fuck is he faster than my party even with haste

>>5675947
haste increases your number of attacks in the NES FFs, it doesn't actually raise your speed, it's essentially an attack buff

>>5675641
>so much time wasted listening to podcasts and attacking my own party

I knew before I even clicked on this that you were going to be this kind of shitter. Cheating your way through a game and then whining it was boring is baby tier.

>>5675963
FF2 is so fucked up it barely even counts as cheating to me. i'm sure i saved time, actually. it was just a bit of steroids for my health and magic, nothing crazy. only guy was over 4000hp by the end of pand, leon and maria under 3000. nothing gamebreaking at all, even though shit's broken to begin with

>>5675987
Lol keep telling yourself that and have fun grinding through the rest of the games so they're boring and shitty too.

>>5675994
i am fucking stoked for every FF after this, all of them are great compared to this, this is one is just broken and i treated it like it

I FF2 had an actually good character progression system and not this terrible proto-saga shit, I'd think it was an outright better version of FF4. At least in 2 character die when they are killed.

>>5676016
I think 2 is by far the most interesting game in the series mechanics wise, but it also only really works when you play it earnestly and then every battle is important. It's why I knew even before I clicked on the link you'd say something about hpw much time you wasted attacking your own party (so much you needed podcasts to keep you occupied lol)
Anyways yes, the others are all piss easy grind2win fests so you should love them because you can just listen to podcasts until your party one shots everything with no effort. Enjoy!

>>5675641
>i'm pumped for III, some people say it's secretly the best.
FF3 is great so long as you don't go in expecting to "play it your way" like FF1 or FF5.
Jobs in FF3 are like tools/equipment that you swap to when required and discard when you upgrade to better ones.

>Esuna leveling

>>5675641
git gud noob

>>5676107
Why the fuck would you play any JRPGs for interesting mechanics or "strategy"? What kind of big retard nigger would sit down and pop in any Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest and think
>wow I can't wait to really use my tiny piss brain for once!
Walking through dungeons while reserving magic and items, staying underleveled doesn't make the game hard or fun. In fact, JRPGs are possibly the least fun games and normalfaggot retard nigger cunts like you need to fuck off to Fire Emblem or something and leave big damage grinding exploits for men, real men, like me.

>>5677502
ok

>>5675641
I really loved the game, I'd suggest you to look for builds on the internet. Increasing speed is the key to have a good party, so don't equip heavy armor neither put weapons in two hands. Also, a black mage + white mage + knight is the easiest party to have.

>>5675641
>so much time wasted ... attacking my own party.
Maybe the reason you hated it so much is that you played it like a bloody idiot, you bloody idiot.

>>5675658
>black mage who ended up mostly being a bowfighter by the end.
Can't be good at both, equipping a bow makes your magic piss weak.
I think having the blokes use weapons and magic was a mistake too as those two things might counterac each other but I can't quite remember how it works. Either way, I think you had a rough time because you did everything wrong.

>>5675641
FF2 is a slog to get through. Not once in all of my attempts at a playthrough have I been able to beat the game. It's so fucking bad.

>>5675641
>Wanting to beat every final fantasy game
Final Fantasy has been dead since FF4.

>>5675643
Based and redpilled. Everyone here who even says they like these games is not a retro gamer. Phantasy Star online. Now that's a real retro game.

>>5675714
>Laying in bed
I am sure you can barely get out of bed at your age.

>>5675641
ff2 is easy git gud

I still need to beat IV (was at final dungeon last time I played it), VII (played through about 60% when I was a kid) and IX (was at final dungeon last time played)

Beaten I, II, III, V, VI, VIII, X, XI (the original campaign) and XII.
I still can't believe I beat II, I pretty much agree with what OP said.

>>5677502
you really showed us bringing up the two biggest baby mode jRPG series. wRPG tards could not handle SaGa

>>5677502
nothing screams " I don't know shit about jRPGs" more than when someone brings up FF or DQ. That's like bringing up Fallout 4 for wRPGs, for the record

I only did grinding for this for maybe the first 5-10 hours, first 3rd or half of the game? Then I didn't grind at all for the rest of the game and had a lot of fun. Still challenging, but without having to stop to grind for hours and just exploring dungeons fully and moving at a steady pace, I found FF2 to be massively underrated. I played the GBA version though.

I've only played III (FC), V (GBA), VI (GBA), and VII (PC)
In that order actually
V is the best (God I fucking love job systems)
VI is the second best
VII is the third best
III is the fourth best
Note that they're all the best

>>5675643
Meh, it may not be your cup of tea but saying all the ff games are "bad" is just baiting for the sake of baiting. Or you just can't appreciate a game

>>5677436
FF3 remake is like this as well to a degree but is largely more flexible if you're creative and think things through. For example, you can kill the giant rat with three battle items, so you don't need to use mages there if you save some. There's also other stuff like the dark knight having a wider equipment pool and early jobs being endgame viable because of balance changes and new abilities.

>>5675641

>>5677502
I like games with interesting mechanics more than ones without them, that's all I was saying.

>>5678482
The only thing that really matters in the DS remake is how high your job level is since it has an effect on literally everything. Even gimmicky fights like Garuda can be cheesed if you're the kind of person who just sticks with one set of jobs all game long.

>>5675641
>. so much time wasted listening to podcasts and attacking my own party.
The game's piss easy, why would you do that?

>>5679774
He knows he sucks so the only way to win is to grind till it's a cake walk, gotta have podcasts for that!

>>5675641
>1
boring
>2
boring AND broken
>3
slightly worthwhile class system, but dated even in DS remake form
>4
pretty damn good
>5
cool class system if you like grinding
>6
magnum opus of the series

>>5680003
Like, shit, if you need to do that for the first unconventional JRPG you play (even if broken yadda yadda yadda), what are you gonna do with more hardcore shit like SaGa?

>>5681278
And you don't even have to. In fact not doing so makes the gane far better. But cultural wisdom is "FF2 is glitchy so you gotta exploit those glitches!" The first time I played it I fell into that trap too and thought the game was super boring. Some years later I tried it again and just played it earnestly without any of that and it quickly became one of my favorites in the whole series.

>>5675641
Holy fuck how hard did you grind retard if you attack your own party you have to make sure to finish the battles with low health and it barely takes any time at all.

>>5681484
Jrpgs attract people who want zero challenge and can do something brain dead easy until their characters are so powerful nothing stands a chance and they can steamroll everything without even trying.

So hearing that FF2 isn't like that, that to build a good party takes planning and paying attention to how you play and win battles... BUT that it's systems are exploitable and that you can game them by doing stupid shit like attacking your own party to speed up the process of getting so powerful nothing can touch you? Then that's the natural rout the JRPG fan will take.

Hence why games with actually interesting mechanics and strategy like FF2 and the SaGa games are almost completely ignored by them.

>>5678706
lel

>>5678375
You're a fucking retard

>>5678397
Except Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest have been popular since forever (especially the latter) in Japan, whereas only in the 2000s games like Fallout 3, Skyrim and Fallout 4 got popular thanks to consolization... consolization that existed since the early 80s for JRPGs.

>>5675641
is it a good SaGa game at least?

>>5682320
fuck no, even RS1 is better

>>5675641
9 will always be a great example of storytelling.

>>5682512
Oh and necron makes sense from a thematic angle.

>>5682513
>Oh and necron makes sense from a thematic angle.
Yeah, he is the logical continuation of the whole existence theme of the game. But it is still quite anticlimactic to introduce the final boss right before the final boss fight. FF stories live off the emotional investment of the player, and when the final boss isn't even part of the storyline, then it's more like a "Who's that?"-moment than a "Finally the opportunity to give Lord Bad Guy who molested all my friends and messed with us for the entire game a proper pasting".

>>5675674
How bad is it?

The only problem with FF2 is the monster closets, encounter rates are kinda ridiculous but so was every other rpg at that time. The story in FF is the best in the series, now the story itself isn't anything special but its how it comes together and how the characters interact and grow that make the game great. Its has a really serious tone compared to other FF games it touches on the ideas of friendship loyalty and how people change over time, its really deep for an 8 bit game. And here you are fucktard OP playing the game completely wrong and hating it, fuck you piss baby

RIP Josef

>>5678375

>>5682604
You forgot the fact that your available inventory space decreases as you advance in the game due to accumulating key items that you can't get rid of

>>5683005
It's hardly that much of a problem.

>>5682883
PSO was fun though.

I played all the FF games last year and went through FF2 on the PS1 and I thought it was alright.

I felt it was better than 1 honestly, 1 came off as very barebones and simple. Nothing stood out as being impressive but I guess that's because I've played tons of other JRPG's and going back to one of the first isn't going to be a unique experience.

At least with 2 it was trying new ideas. The level up system was a bit stupid because in the end my classes became Warrior, Monk, Mage without me even doing anything and then the fourth guy was just useless throughout since changing party members was kinda dumb as well. The dungeons weren't too bad in the beginning but they became a chore as time went on so I started looking at maps to see where to go to lessen the pain, fuck those doors though.

I nearly fucked myself by selling the blood sword after I got it, I didn't know the exploit on the final boss but luckily my friend told me there are actually two in the PS1 version and I was really lucky on that end, made the final boss a joke but honestly I was only doing 1-2 damage to him with my party at their current levels and I had to run from every fight in that dungeon since I was easily killed a lot.

I liked the story, atmosphere and music for what they were. Traveling around the map with that oppressive music was really cool and a nice change from the heroic sounding world map from 1. Game has a lot of flaws but I think it was fine for what it was, sort of like Zelda 2 in my eyes, it's annoying as fuck a lot of the time but it's a fine game regardless.

3 was the best NES FF game though.

>>5675641
Zoooooooooom

>>5684674
Plenty of old farts did this too. Stupid comes in all sizes.

>>5675641
3 is great, my fav of the nes ones with one of my fav soundtracks