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HOT TAKE: FFVII is the worst Final Fantasy, considering that it has the least efficient magic system, no job options, no class changes, and the worst minigames in RPG history.

>>5662645
Go back to /v/.

>>5662648
I'm sorry your frail little world can't cope with these harsh redpilled TRUTHS

>>5662645
this but unironically. VIII is superior, tactics is superior, crpgs of the time are superior, either action based or more traditional ones... older jrpgs are superior, newer ones... fuck this game, the only thing that keeps you captivated is the story and for that, I read a fucking book.

>>5662658
Go back to /v/.

>>5662645
Job/class shit is invariably a joke in JRPGs, especially FF. You make one guy the fighter, one black, one white, and one oddball, level them up a bit, then shuffle the shit around, make someone else the fighter, someone else a mage. After a while everyone has roughly the same hodgepodge of skills, or it amounts to the same effect. This is exactly the same result as just being able to define a character through materia. Except, you actually have more freedom/options in 7 because the characters have limit breaks and more stat variance. In 5 it doesn’t matter if you make the little girl or the old man the fighter or whatever.

>>5662645
that's not II

>>5662661
Not now, not while there are still estrogenated weeabo trannies left to be dominated in this site.

>>5662683
FF7 is so fucking easy a child could marathon the game without once needing to use "strategy" though except for the optional boss fights.

>>5662692
All FFs are casual romps, this is a silly point in this line of discussion.

>>5662630
it's fun because it's easy, easy not being a bad thing in this kind of games

A great marketing campaign that boasted the visuals.

The reality is that with the exception of the graphics - it's a fairly similar gameplay experience as 6.

>>5662692
The intended audience for jarpigs is 11-13 year olds
Real adult men played Ehrgeiz and Einhander

It's the most overrated game behind OoT

>>5662630
Because you hadn't played anything better first, so you compare everything to it. I didn't get around to playing it until 2004 and it's only okay...mostly how shit the graphics are is the main problem, early 3d had a very fine line between acceptable and garbage...at least in-battle everything looked good, but that Popeye arm shit has to go.

>>5662630
the soundtrack alone carried this game to fame

mostly because all characters are good. big difference with ff6

At the time it did everything right from the cast to the music to the plot to the battle system. Its just a slam dunk of a game. You could say 6 didn't have the same quality of music or that the dated graphics prevented more people from checking it out, or with 8 you could criticize its small cast of teens, convoluted plot or janky battle system, but 7 just does everything right.

Easy: FF7 has the best combat system. Materia is the best gimmick in every retro ff

>>5662630
Panzer Saga was more innovative. The characters dont even talk in this game. The graphics are bad too, it looks like a SNES game, its all 2d!

>>5662630
I just wish it was more challenging, there was more interactivity, exploration existed, and the script wasn't as laughable. Music and visuals are absolutely amazing and the world is pretty damn fresh.

>>5662824
>similar gameplay experience as 6.
Which is not a bad thing

>>5662928
>the soundtrack
ah yes, this is also shines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZeucmtURQ

put this shit on to get off your arse and workout, OP

>>5663551
meant to put this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlH15l0m7eI

I can't replay FF7 without having a guide next to me for the 100%, there's a lot of spells and monster skills not to mention two weapons for Barret and Caith Sid that are completely gone once you pass the places where you are supposed to get them.

>>5662824
>>5663407
This. It has the best of both worlds and although 5's or Tactic"s job system does feel a little richer, the way materia works is essentially a job system. The characters are distinct enough from a design perspective that is not entirely bland to be able to make any of them into any kind of a "class" you want. In fact, it let's you give them your own personal subtle flavor that matches your perception of their character which probably is ideal for some people.

>>5663579
>the way materia works is essentially a job system
Except it's irrelevant because the game is unlosable. The system is a toy rather than a game. Everything's balanced to let you win even if your setup is completely braindead.

IX is better

I've never played it. The only FF games I've given a go are the first one, and Revenant Wings.

>>5663608
True to an extent, after the first time as a kid the games are easy. But materia is still one of the greatest systems ever on its own, the combinations you can make with them are pretty awesome, shame these games don't have a hard mode.

>>5662630
For being one of the first 3d hits?

>>5663748
>But materia is still one of the greatest systems ever on its own
How did you find that out? It might be an utter mess for all we know. A game that actually puts FFVII's materia system to the test doesn't exist and never will. If you make the game challenging, the materia system might as well prove to be a horrid chore due to inobvious, obscure percentages, bonuses and penalties applied everywhere. It's only subjectively alright because you're never punished for having an inefficient setup.

>>5663608
>its a final fantasy game
See how much time you could have saved? Literally most RPGs are that way.

>>5664050
You could use hands shark codes to show down your growth or freeze your stats if you were so inclined. Honestly playing RPGs this way should be a thing.

>>5663573
It’s nothing compared to FF9. I could probably cite every meaningful FF7 missable off the top of my head, not counting shit you’d have to be brain-dead to miss like the Leviathan Scales.

The sidequest where your materia is stolen and anything that ripples from that can’t be initiated on disc 3.

Turtle’s Paradise flyer in the Shinra Building has to be obtained in one of two visits although rewards aren’t unique. HP Shout/Missing Score (need Barret in party).

Princess Guard in temple, Umbrella in Speed Square (disc 1 only I think) if you care.

Neo Bahamut in crater, the only materia-on-the-ground that’s a bit easy to miss forever.

Huge materia challenges can’t be retried, as if you’d need to though.

Other missables are your own fault if you pass up shit that’s right in front of you. Everything else is not missable although some think Vincent’s ultimates and snowfield junk is missable (you don’t have to visit Lucrecia on disc 2/snowfield can be revisited by bird). Some weapons and whatnot are missable like Yoshiyuki I think but you can’t really fuck up anything good by missing them like you can if you miss a Summon.

Ok /vr/, what's the best oldschool Final Fantasy?

>>5665294
They're all good, personally I like IV, VI, and VII the most. My ranking is something like this:
VI
VII
IV
V
IX
VIII
III
I
II
I still enjoy II though even if it's at the bottom for me.

>>5664370
>You could use hands shark codes
You could do your own game design remix or even create your own game altogether, but we're talking about FFVII specifically.

>>5662692
Can confirm. I got to the final fight with Sephiroth in 2nd or 3rd grade before my save data got corrupted.

>>5662645
Job ff are the most boring ones
Fuck grinding to get useless skills

Jarpigs are non games anyway

>>5662630
> Perfect
> Boring, tedious chocobo breeding side quest that requires reseting the game and watching the title screen load when you don't get the right one because it's faster than waiting for the in game clock to let you make a new one.

Pick one, anon.

>>5662645
>Least Efficient
>Not VIII

I liked it as a teen but 20+ years later I really don't like it.

>>5662824
6 had no snowboarding

>>5666014
Chocobos really were garbage.

>>5665328
>my ranking
lmao

>>5662631
yes.

Chrono Trigger is better

>shitty empty generic Final Fantasy overworld

Ugh. And when you get to that part the plot is just a confusing mess of events, but now you get to figure out where the fuck to go.

Also the shounen manga plot writing is so boring, awful, and cringey. I honestly think the Japs forgot how to tell a good story and just throw dozens of characters into everything instead.

A game that only the weird spazzy girl in middle school who fapped with whiteboard makers in class would truly like.

Also the battle system feels shallow.

>>5665294
3-6 are all good. 1&2 on the WonderSwan Color if you really must play them.

>>5662630
>Squaresoft
/thread

>>5666882
what are the best versions of each Obviously not the phone port

>>5666889
https://pastebin.com/nDC7j5bn
From the /vg/ general

>>5665442
My bad I could have sworn you were talking about "a game that puts Final Fantasy VII's materia system to the test"

>>5666958
thanks

>>5662645
the job/class options are built into how you build your character up through materia. you've obviously never played 7. why would you comment on it?

>best game ever
>excited for remake that changes graphics, music, gameplay of "best of" game
>cool

>>5665328
Pretty good. My personal ranking is roughly the same.

>>5665328
mine

6
7
8
9
5
4
10
12
3
1
2

Top tier
>VI - VII
Mid tier
>I - III - IV - V - IX
Low tier
>II - VIII

>>5662645
>Worst
>Not II or VIII

when will people stop pretending 6 is better? this meme has overstayed its welcome more than bane

>>5662630
it takes you on a real adventure with substance. You experience loss, love, entertainment, awe, fear. You see magic, tech, history, different types of people and cultures. Travel through every type of biome that exists. And last but not least: the characters are all unique and likeable.

>>5668958
That's stretching it. You only get 3 characters and there's so much overlap. Elemental magic is garbage, too, and completely overshadowed by summons.

I like FF7, but the gameplay is really weak. Random encounters are so easy they might as well not be there.

>>5666548
I keep trying to complete FF8. I've just realized it's garbage and started playing FF7 again. Why they took such good systems from 7 and fucked it up in 8 god only knows. Game penalizes exploring because enemies get harder as you level. Draw 100 spells for each party slot for each spell to increase stats. Buying weapons is totally fucked. GFs are overpowered early and then completely underpowered later. Protagonist is goth douche. Have to play stupid card game to get any good magic, abilities, or weapons.

>>5669080
shit taste

I don't know why so much people love this series so much, it's the equivalent to saying that MCU movies are masterpieces, it's entry level shit.

>>5670890
>Game penalizes exploring because enemies get harder as you level
t. faggot player

this actually encourages real men to explore and man up, then again you're just a girl or a fag.

>>5671961
Games are suposed to be easy, if I wanted a challenge I would climb a mountain or something

>>5662630
i never played it and never will, purely because it's so popular. it must be the worst final fantasy game by far.

>>5662630
FF6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>5671982
>games are supposed to be easy
fucking faggot lol

>>5671989
Disliking popular things doesn't make you special little boy

>>5673935
Have sex.
Videogames, like movies, are purely for superficial entertainment.

>>5671989
it's overrated, but it's not a bad game

>>5662630
Atmosphere + nostalgia = a perfect autism storm.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, I like it just the same.

>>5674298
>Videogames, like movies, are purely for superficial entertainment.
Unironically kill yourself

>>5662630
Is it? I never finished it. Hell I never even go as far as the bit where the flat-titted girl dies.

I like 8 better. that is all.

>>5670890
git gud

It introduced RPGs to normies and at the time its aesthetics were outstanding. That and the nostalgia associated with it adds a lasting charm. I could play 9, 8, or 6 and tell myself I like it more, but nothing will ever come close to the hype that actually surrounded 7 when it came out.

>>5663748
The materia system is great and fun, but it's hindered by it's useless characters. The limit breaks are all kind of the same, the stats are the same, and the diversity of your group is based too much on materia. I wish Aerith didn't die because she had support limit breaks. Being able to noticeably modify vincent for his berserk mode would be great too. The Materia system drops off as interesting in the game after disc 1 and comes back into play if you do emerald and ruby, but otherwise......A lot of materia is worthless collect fetch level up time sink.

>>5679795
>The limit breaks are all kind of the same,
True, most of them are just about piling up the damage numbers. Unique ones like Barrett's Mind Blow were seldom used, Aeris' healing/guarding limit breaks and Fury Brand were underachieving for obvious reasons, only Red hat some decent stuff with Lunatic High and Howling Moon. there should really have been more of this, especially because there were two limit breaks for each level, so no reason to have two plain damage moves next to each other.

>>5662630
It's not. I loved it my first play through, my second i began to see the flaws. At this point once the first flashback begins when you leave Midgar I end up quitting because i can't take the boring story anymore. Not to mention I hated the materia system. I found Sephiroth to be a lack luster villain . Also this was the dawn of the Final Fantasy Angst phase. This and 8 where really emo.

>>5663558
The first one you posted was better.

>>5662630
I keep hearing about how hugely overrated it is. It's definitely not the best RPG ever, not even the best JRPG ever, and not even the best Final Fantasy ever according to a sizeable proportion of fans.
It's too easy (understable since it's a JRPG), the battle system is roughly the same as previous FFs since FF IV introduced the ATB, the characters don't feel like they have specific purposes since their base stats aren't that much different and their most distinctive feature is their Limit Break, and you can spec everybody pretty much any way you want with Materias.
Even the graphics aren't that impressive today. I don't even particularly like RPGs or JRPGs (the only one I played before was FF IV on PSP).
And even then, I'm on my first playthrough (completely blind except that I know Aerith dies), I'm at the Golden Saucer, and I feel like I play something very special. I don't know if it's the characters, the setting (I've been raised on GITS, Akira and 90's anime in general), or the story, but I'm having an absolute blast, and generally feel like I'm living a incredible adventure in a world that can be dark and depressing, or bright and joyful, or nostalgic and poetic. I probably sound like a huge faggot but this game makes me feel some stuff, and that's extremely rare.

I'm playing through for the first time since I never finished it as a kid. Are there any points where I'm going to be fucked over for not evenly leveling every party member? I've seen a few forced switches already obviously but I don't know if that keeps going on throughout the entire game. I'm only in the mid 20s right now so I still have a long way to go

>>5681529
I've played through the whole game a few years ago without reading any guide, don't worry, you don't have to worry about level differences. If I remember correct, inactive members get passive lvl-ups, plus a lot efficiency comes from materia which is automatically unequipped when character becomes unavailable for story reasons. As long as you don't forget to equip materia/get new equipment, you'll be fine.

>>5679834

FF7 has flaws but fuck it, the story is not one of them.

>>5681759
Thanks. My only real complaint so far besides the unnecessary minigames is that I need to switch out materia whenever I switch characters. Not specifically when character X gets removed, but when another character forces themselves onto the team. It is just a little tedious for me.

>>5681773
yeah, minigames and materia shenanigans can get tiresome sometimes. It's still my favorite FF besides 6 and Tactics.