/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[6-9] New MetaDoom update
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&start=1590#p1107375

[6-9] Mr. Friendly updated
https://jp.itch.io/mr-friendly

[6-9] Digital Foundry review about Quake 2 RTX; explains a lot of shit about the source port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9vXz9-C-AY

[6-8] Q2 RTX Models for Q2XP
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp/addons/q2rtx-models-for-q2xp

[6-8] Anon updates Smooth Doom Lite
https://mega.nz/#!f5MAmQ5J!ADzufTEZ2COW5xRlblSrxZ42Qw3h-UU-Jjbe5wGN3iI

[6-7] GZDoom 4.1.3 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64964

[6-6] Fresh Supply keeps getting updated (1.9.5)
https://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791464555909/announcements/detail/1610514097382812678

[6-6] Quake 2 RTX released
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1089130/Quake_II_RTX/

[6-4] Into The Storm - DBP12 Released
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1524/ti-doom-storm-dbp12-released

[6-4] Sigil Buckethead MIDIs
http://www.mediafire.com/file/t99msapgk9t34gd/bucketmidi.zip/file

[6-2] Sigil updated to 1.1
https://twitter.com/romero/status/1134501030887153666
https://pastebin.com/p2GMUSRE (Changelog)

[6-2] Some Consolation Prize updates
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55298&start=120#p1106075
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55298&start=120#p1105205

[6-1] Wadsmoosh updated, now supports Sigil
https://jp.itch.io/wadsmoosh/devlog/83752/wadsmoosh-11

[6-1] 64-bit version of OBLIGE
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=64879

[6-1] SIGIL now officially available for download
https://www.romerogames.ie/si6il

[5-28] METADOOM has moved over to Zscript, SIGIL supported, Testers needed
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010

[5-28] New LTG beta release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1105508#p1105508

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9B5qhzKyhg
still no doom yet

did anyone else get into the DE closed beta? It told me I got in but when I clicked claim it took me to another Twitch page and I had to deal with an hour of bullshit resting my Amazon Prime password to login to Twitch Prime and now idk where my beta is.

>>5648706
Let's be real here.
Do you fuckers actually care about this?

I can't bring myself to, so I'm staying quiet IRL because I don't want to be a buzzkill to my friends.

>>5648713
>Do you fuckers actually care about this?
yes

>>5648713
no but only because my computer wasn't able to run the reboots from 3 years ago and sure as fuck wont be able to now

>>5648713
>can't hack or tinker with it
>no mod support
>completely locked down
Into the trash it goes. Wasted potential.
Back to my 20+ year old games.

>>5648713
no, we're all pretending to enjoy things.

>>5648725
Same.

>>5648727
Could have fooled me

>>5648713
I do. I think Eternal looks fun

>>5648725
Eternal is slated to have mod support apparently.

>Zenifucks turning Keen into mobile shit

WELP

>>5648706
>commander keen
>that fucking style again
I want to rip and tear unironically

WAIT, DID I MISHEAR OR ARE THEY THE REAL KEEN'S CHILDREN?

>kick asteroid
THAT WAS A PUN USED IN THE SHITTY RATCHET AND CLANK MOVIE

Welp, guess I got my wish for a Keen comeback.

Oh dear. Look what they gone did to Keen.

>>5648768
Hell no. That right there is canon.

Do you hear that faint sound of weeping? That's Tom Hall.

>>5648771
to be fair, romero did made a dangerous dave phone game

>>5648771
I'm sorry Tom
I'm so sorry

Bootlegged Super Mario Bros mobile is coming back a little late.

>>5648770
no, is bfg

Youngblood makes me think of this every time they talk about it.

this shit looks like nu deus ex
bleh where is my wolfenstein 2009

holy fuck these guys talk deliberately slow I swear to god.

>>5648706
God no.

>>5648825
I was thinking Biochock+Inglorious Bastards+Casino Royale
+The Limits of Control

>we are the inventors of fps
NO YOU'RE NOT

>more streaming cloud shit
I'm sick to my stomach

this is how modding dies

>>5648840
That pissed me off so much.
Yeah, you can call yourselves the creators of the FPS genre because YOU BOUGHT THE DEVELOPERS WHO MADE IT.

It's here.

did I hear right? are we battling angels now too?

>>5648858
They showed that in concept art from the first time they revealed it.

not a fan of the dominatrix and wolf enemies tbqh

>>5648858
Yes, Heaven.

>radsuits and shootable switches as back

Was that really a rad suit?

bing bing UNF!

wtf is this mario/sonic shit???

we budget demonsteele now

Vega's back?

OOH
UN
UNGH
OOF
EGH

>controller gameplay

>this clusterfuck
it's like im playing complex doom

It's a fucking serious sam reskin

CLASSIC CYBIE

HE'S BACK

Classic Cyberdemon I CLAPPED!

>>5648881
>>5648883
It looks just like 2016 though but with better gameplay

What happened to the first trailer?

very arcadey looking arena battles with platforming
dont know what to think really

>UT link gun
>OOF OUCH OW
>attacking heaven
>slipgate

HE'S BACK

>>5648887
no way, 2016 wasn't this messy or had all this shit like random tentacles popping out of the ground that you have to pop or big green buttons on the wall that you shoot to kill enemies somehow.

>>5648886
This, but unironically

>Doomslayer has the Doom 3 face
Huh, interesting.

Fuck your CE, Bethesda, you had one job.

>>5648894
How was it in any way messy
>new enemies and gameplay elements are bad

that plasma gun looked so weak
i cant tell if the guy was missing or if it does piss amounts of damage

>we took out the Quake

>>5648894
>big green buttons on the wall that you shoot to kill enemies somehow.
How dense are you?
Those were just destructible walls leading to secrets.

Quake is dead

>>5648903
you serious? it was a clusterfuck, enemies spread all over the place with no sense of design whatsoever and lots and lots of flashy gimmicks like the chain and the aforementioned big red button.
>>5648906
dumbass, you're thinking of the cracked wall that had a green light coming out of it, not the button.

>>5648907
Long live Quake

>See you at QuakeCon
>Quake died a long time ago

>>5648909
So you're just stupid then

> machingun scope has super sniper shot
> plasmagun altfire some kind of lock-on lightning gun
> chaingun is plasma now (?)
> 'slipgate'. nudoom 3 is going to quake territory, calling it now
> winged stereotypical demon looking demons
ok, alright

not feeling the level design gimmicks tho, have to see how it actually plays

Not a fan of that HUD.

>>5648914
Chaingun looks like it has an auto-windup.
Classic Cyberdemon is the best part.

>>5648913
damn I got btfo.

>5648909
>more enemies = a bad thing

Are you fucking serious
I wan't /v/ to leave

>>5648894
you're only saying that because of the HUD which I could see agreed upon to be ugly. the fast pace of the game won't let you make out a lot of details at first glance.

>>5648923
not at all, I didn't notice the hud until I rewatched the trailer, I'm indifferent about it.

the cyberdemon isn't a baalgar but instead a harbinger

Hope we're able to turn off all that arcadey stuff in the HUD and keep it as clean as D44M was.
Shit was ugly as sin.

>>5648921
is strawman the only way you can argue? there's doom maps with dozens of times more enemies than nu-doom that have more cohesion than that, like Sunlust maps which outside of map23 and 30 are excellent.

The demon redesigns look great but I have no idea what is going on with the gameplay. Looks very arcade-y even compared to 2016. Will wait to play it before judging too hard though.

Classic weapon sounds too.

wait was that opening scene how quake 2 starts?

>>5648939
Nah, man. Please no.

>>5648940
>>5648939
Cancer.

Oh wow, Eternal really is Doom 2

>>5648941
The BFG10k is an obvious ripoff of the Big Gun from Q2, Bethesda is tearing id apart like a vulture.

>>5648939
>>5648940
Anyone who says Doot is a fed.

>They're using the original Cyberdemon design
It may not be retro, but I'm happy about this.

So is SIGIL any good?

It feels like they completely axed the Invasion system they were hyping up so much, but the Battle Mode isn't that interesting on its own merits either. With no Snapmap, if that's the only multiplayer then this game is fucking barebones outside of the campaign.

It looked like more of Doom, which was pretty solid, so I can't say anything too bad.

I wonder how that demon corruption thing will play out. I'm not sure I care for the guy being corrupted by demons. Who knows though, maybe he turns into a demon, shrugs it off and gets right back to killing demons.

Not on Steam so who cares? Pirating that mess in a year.
Back to the good Doom for now.

>>5648959
What?

>>5648959
>Not on Steam
They confirmed it was coming out on Steam already.

the PS1/D64 soundtracks would fit SIGIL pretty well imo

>>5648954
its fun

>>5648684
Behold the Doomguy's real face, and its 1.1 accurate this time
thus killing the theory that 2016 was a remake since its now confirmed that HE was always human and ITS THE SAME FUCKING DOOMGUY from classic

>>5648962
It will be coming to Steam, but there's no store page for it yet.

>>5648959

>>5648932
Alright, we are gonna shut this shit down, pronto

Half of you whiny, contrarian faggots screamed non-stop about how DOOM 2016 wasn't a slaughterwad. People bitched and moaned about how there was only a few enemies on screen at a time. And you know what? That complaint wasn't totally invalid. Combat was still fun, but only two barons and three imps at the end of Argent didn't give me the same feel as the ending of, say, Plutonia.

Now, this demo gave us another arena. You can like them, you can complain about them; either way, I have few strong feelings about the area deal. They were fun in 2016, but the original corridors were also fun. But that's a debate for another day. How this factors into your complaint is that you're calling an arena "messy." A system of corridors is going to play differently from an arena. An arena is supposed to be hectic. It relies on reflexes and quick thinking. You're supposed to strafe that baron, jump to you left, shoot and grab health from that imp, all while keeping tab o the two cacodemons spewing shit from behind you. Systems of hallways are more cerebral, and force you to think more about what you're going to do about those archviles in the locked rooms while they respawn the chaingunners across the hallway. These are two different philosophies in enemy placement and design, and as far as Eternal goes, it seems to be pulling arena combat just fine.

If you prefer the Plutonia approach, I don't fault you. It's good on its own merits.But this is not Plutonia. You are barking up the wrong tree. This is an arena. It's supposed to be hectic.

>>5648951
But ID is making Doom Eternal, not Bethesda.

>>5648959
Is anyone badmouthing this game going to be as misinformed as you are?

>>5648968
>classic
Gross Bethesda terminology

>>5648980
Is that the Prowler from Doom 4 Multiplayer?

That E3 presentation made me really depressed. They turned Doom into some really weird and horrid looking Quake. The FPS genre is still refusing to properly evolve. I'm not going to focus on any AAA games anymore - it's a completely moribund genre in terms of direction and soul. I can only pray that the indies and mid-range games carry the torch and eventually drop the derivative nonsense that has overstayed its welcome.

>>5648991
I'll bite. What's evolving to you?

>>5648768
>Doom 2 involves Doomguy finding the hanging corpse of his grandfather (Keen is Doomguys grandfather)
>Doom 2106 has his head on a spike

>>5648981
Misinformed? This is a retro board. I play Doom. I don't hound whatever social media these people post on. If I don't see it on Steam I'll think it isn't on Steam.

>>5648980
looks like Doomguy has a new weapon on his hentai tag arsenal
but what could it be?

>>5649000
trips of bad deflection

>>5648891
>rectangle shaped arena with 0 thought put into it
>platforming
>no key hunting
>no secrets
>slow as fuck
What were they thinking? Do people think this genuinely looks good?

>>5648983
off to /v/ communist zoomer before your parents confiscate your apple machinery

>>5649002
It’s still Tomboy.

>>5648954
It's hard as tits but it's pretty fucking good,
You can tell Romero knew he was being an asshole with the level design

watch as we're boarded by /v/fags talking out their asses about this game for the stupidest, most shallow nonstarters.

>>5649003
Well, whatever. Pay out the ass for something you won't come back to in a couple of years if you want. None of my business.

>>5649006
But thy literally showed secrets and keys already.

>hey god how's that slayer guy going
>he's too powerful, he's killing TOO MANY demons
>well shit

>>5649013
>None of my business.
I'm sure that won't stop you.

>>5649013
If you don’t care, then why are you here posting like you do care?

>>5649010
asshole but clever
HMP is episode 4 difficulty, UV is balls to the wall

>>5648746
You're gonna have to provide me a [citation] on that buddy

>>5649017
>>5649019
Nice nerd rage.

I don't get it. did people expect this to be a freeform shooter when we very well knew what this was a sequel to already?

>>5649006
>didn't show secrets
well golly gosh geeze, what a shocker

>arachnotron shoots charged plasma balls
i liked the grenades i hope that isn't cut

>>5649021
https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/doom-eternal-mod-support-is-a-long-term-target/

they ditched megatextures to accommodate the engine being more flexible in general according to the stadia stream. it's not hard to find these things.

>>5649015
>https://twitter.com/doom_txt/status/1137906776538411008

>>5649012
its always one autist using proxies to post hateshit on E3

even the janitors can get a true location of this nigger

>>5649029
where the fuck did this footage come from

>>5649023
maybe figure out what you talk about before you spew shit and avoid having to save face like a baboon.

>>5649027
>"no guarantee" that the game would ever support mods

Ok, call me when it actually does

>>5649034
From this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzcjAQHFohk

>>5648939
>>5648940
I warned you people.

How do you sign up for the streaming beta?

>>5649029
>survived being fired by a fuckhuge BFG 10k like if it was nothing

halo 2 reentry aint got shit on thiks

>>5649036
okay, my bad. they reworked the engine to allow for flexibility but it's not quite there yet. it IS a possibility now, though.

>>5649029
dude what

Let's have happy DOOM discussion /vr/, stop shitflinging like /v/. What are you playing this weekend?
I beat Scythe II finally and am currently working through the Japanese Community Project. It's hit or miss but the hits are good and the midis are consistently good (mostly because they're ripped from other more popular wads but still)

>>5649029
What the fuck?

>>5649049
I tried out Final Doomer with TNT today. It’s pretty good.

>>5649049
tfw stuck on Scythe II's last map. It's my first real slaughter map. Give advice

>>5649049
just finished a project I was working on because the guy doing the music for a skit bailed out on me two weeks in a row

so Im going to reward myself with some QUACK map jam goodnes

>>5649049
>I beat Scythe II finally
did you liked it anon?

I really enjoyed it, although the last 2 portions were really fucking hard.

>>5648904
it seems to kill shit just fine.
>>5649037

>>5649059
Are you pistol starting? I'm not man enough to pistol start challenge wads especially on UV.

Wow, Romero took a really weird direction with Sigil didn't he

>>5648939
This is the future you chose. I warned you about those memes, bro.

>>5649068
fuck no. i'm nowhere near that good. having said that that map starts you off with everything right in front of you so not that big of a difference i don't think

>>5649062
I loved it, but yes it gets absolutely brutal. It took me weeks of reloads to finally beat it. I've been posting about the wad on and off for weeks here.
JPCP is pretty hard so far too, but it's odd in that the difficulty is really inconsistent and some of the maps are pretty amateur but overall I like it.

so, doom eternal gameplay:

>motion blur
>diarrhea christmas lights HUD
>slow choppy animations
>constant lighting effects that change color and coat the entire screen
>different colored popups showing up practically every frame of the game play
>Enemies now also have their own kaleidoscope of lighting effects to fuck your eyeholes
>hitmarkers and a huge compass on the top of your screen
>giant text objective indicator
>text indicator has a backlight on it to obstruct your vision even further

Goddamn, it's like they tried to make this hard to watch. I'm mad, but I'm still buying it.

Okay, so I'm playing with the HUD completely turned off, and I'm looking at my controls to figure out what all the new button prompts are assigned to. Good to know.

They assigned the chainsaw to a button now.

This shit is making my eyes bleed. What were they thinking? The 20 minute e3 2018 presentation looks so much better, this is almost making me think that they cut the budget to Doom Eternal or something.

>>5648940
Demon Doomguy?

>>5648976
id, anon. Not Identification Software.

>>5649076
>They assigned the chainsaw to a button now.
That’s how it was in Doom 2016 too, remember?

>>5649076
gotta be optimized for their shitty cloud streaming shit is probably why they did that

>>5649072
They’ve already done it before in 2016’s snap map description for the Red Skull Key.

>>5649061
>QUACK map jam goodnes
which one of the jams?

>doomguy launghing himselt from a big cannon
I FUCKING KNEW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN AT SOME POINT!

>>5649076
>Literal boomer is too old for modern vidya

>>5649071
Dude what the fuck is wrong with your Sigil? It looks weird.

>>5649096
>If you put your ear close to this red skull key, you can hear the distant sound of trumpets.

D4T Eternal addons when?
The Prowler is confirmed to teleport and shoot 3 projectiles and we got tentacles as enemies

>>5648939
Dude, do you remember the Doom comic book? Do you remember when he says "rip and tear"? We should repeat that line on every piece of promotion possible. Also in the games themselves.

>>5649071
I want to date, marry, impregnate, and raise a happy half-imp family with that demon.

>>5649097
Insomnia, Halloween, xmas, been meaning to play all of them for a while

>>5649107
Now I’m radioactive! That can’t be good!

>>5649105
at least I can tell myself that's referring to the horns of jericho or something

>>5649102
>too old for modern vidya
>second favorite vanilla Doom game is 2016

So, disliking intrusive HUDs and LCA clusterfuck levels of eye cancer makes me a boomer? I'm 18 years old, you fucking permavirgin.

>>5649107
This is what happens when corporate types find something sells shit, they run it into the ground till it isn't funny or good anymore.

>>5649102
Shut the fuck up /v/ermin

ignore the shitposts, is the same proxy jumping nigger inciting shitposts here so janitors close /doom/

he's doing the same at /v/ atm towards 2077 and people discovered the bullshit

>>5648687
Sunder update released with four more maps
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder-update-is-here-four-new-maps-not-a-joke/

>>5649129
OH FUGGG

so I gather I'm the only one completely happy with what they've shown so far

>>5649129
honestly more exciting than eternal

>>5649140
Of course not, I like that they're embracing goofy arcade bullshit. Looks to be really fun

>>5649140
I'm gonna love the campaign, but all the extraneous shit is what bothers me

>>5649129
>Some maps taking a few hours to complete
>one can take six hours
The absolute madman.

>>5649147
My wet farts are more exciting than eternal

>>5649103
I don't know, it just came like that.
And I got it from the official site

>>5649129
>Doom Eternal
I sleep
>SUNDER got an update
REAL SHIT

>>5649149
Yeah, it reminds me a lot of the Arcade update for Doom 4.

>>5649147
>>5649157
we're at this point already?

>>5649079
But ID stands for ID

>>5649163
>>5649147
Perfectly understandable, Sunder is fucking good.

>>5649129
Pretty insane that it got a new update over 10 years after its initial release.

>>5649127
I would call bullshit but not believing that /v/ floods every new videogame discussion with their garbage is like not believing in the theory of evolution by this point.

>>5649129
> 6 hours to complete one map
> 15+maps
what the fuck author

also does this mean that the new DV maps are next?

>>5649169
Don't worry I'm just a tourist to these generals, just chimed in to shit on zoom eternal.
I won't be here next general.

well, tom hall hates new keen
>https://twitter.com/ThatTomHall/status/1137907336750567424

>>5649002

>>5649203
Slayer fights angels now, he's a degenerate too.

>>5649196
>he compared it to the doom movie from 2005

>>5649203
>yoai

>>5649201
Can't blame him, I have a horrible feeling they're going to do something shitty to The Dopefish too.

>>5649203
>milf

YOU KNEW
I DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHY BUT YOU DID THIS TO UPSET ME SPECIFICALLY
YOU FUCKING ARCHVILE HUGGER

>>5649203
>>5649208
Also, how dare you put MILF as a demon.
That's clearly the Gauss Cannon.

>>5649205
Demons are just fallen angels.

>>5649203
>yoai

>>5649203
>BFG is Public Sex

>>5649212
Gauss Cannon isn’t in Eternal.

>>5649203
>loli
>demon
i thought the point was to make doomguy representative of pure wholesome good..

Are there any good wads for Hexen?

>>5649210
I know you really like this picture anon, but you don't have to post it every thread you know

>>5649216
It's more like Bukkake with all those tracers.

>>5649216
>>5649231
Neither of those are wholesome.

>>5649223
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/hexen/v-z/wolfen

>>5648939
As far as Revenants go, doot is an inferior meme.

>>5649029

>>5649238
ty muh anon

>>5649251
Clearly the ones of choice are AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and uncanny fellow.

>>5649201
F

I really can't possibly understand how it feels to make something, have it taken from you and desecrated for cynical profit right before your eyes. Must be awful.

>>5649103
>a box of AIDs

Ey, I think I saw someone going through I saw someone putting together the Crucible as a mod here at one point. Am I going crazy or no?

>>5649196
doesn't matter, I get the feeling you do it for every game you find and you're pretty derivative so none taken.

>>5649265
That bitch up on stage massacred his baby boy.

>>5649265
>>5649201
i know this is /vr/ but how the fuck can we keep ignoring the elephant in the room? what the FUCK were they thinking with this movie trailer

>>5649237
>not wanting to fuck qt pis in the open where everyone can see you

>>5649283
That's not wholesome.

>>5649289
wholesome is putting babies in your buff marine waifu

>>5649265
Of course this is also after his former colleagues making part of a level involve shooting Keen to death in Doom 2.

This is basically what Tom got for arguing with Carmack, mostly with Tom arguing to have stuff in Doom that carmack didn't want, like teleporters.

>>5649296
YES. DO THIS. Doom, do you see what this poster wrote???

>>5649301
can we speak that all of Id's problems were caused by Hollenstead, Willits, Adrian and MAINLY John Carmack in the 1st place?

>>5649201
I don't blame him. Looks like a blatant cash grab.

>>5649307
are you okay anon

>>5649307
You let them die... that's why I hate you.

BEHOLD THE DOPEFISH
>https://twitter.com/Dopefish/status/1137922262831702017

>>5649301
We have Tom to thank for teleporters? Fuck man, thank fuck he spoke up if that's the case. Imagine how boring Doom would be without teleporting shenanigans.

>>5649201
>>5649316
I think Civvie really puts it well this entire rapefest
https://twitter.com/Civvie11/status/1137889084855279616

>>5649310
what did adrian do?

>>5649316

>>5649316
Oh fuck, I knew they wouldn't leave alone.

>>5649324
>the cameo on a chainsaw is more respectful than the new mobile reboot

I feel sorry for the old guard

>>5649316

>>5649321
Adrian Hated Reznor to the poinjt of boot him out of doom 3 and call his former parthner Chris Vrenna, and made sure that the late Paul Steed and Mr Elusive would never work at Id again.

he was a jealous bitch, and HE HATED Steed for being a better modeller than him.

>>5649316
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Does anyone have the pdf for the game engine black book for doom?
Normally I would really want to give this guy money, but I can't pay nearly 60 bucks shipped for a book.

>>5649334

>>5649339
>This only hurts marginally!

>>5649339
Yeah, that’s the face I made when I saw Commander Keen for Mobile too.

>>5649338
im still waiting for him to work on Reverse engineering the RealSpace Engine for Wing Commander III, IV and Strike commander

>>5649318
Yep, is something Romero has backed up, same with flying enemies and secrets via way of him fighting to have them in Wolf3D.

Tom was the guy who wanted things for the sake of fun, which seemed to clash with John Carmack, a lot.

>>5649203
>MILF
>yuri
>loli
fag

>all those literal homo tags
and a bigot to boot

>>5649347
On one hand I'm obviously in awe of what John Carmack accomplished, but on the other I'm disappointed by him being so closed to ideas like that.

>>5649347
This supports my theory that Carmack doesn't really give a shit about video games and just wants to do things with computers nobody else has done.

>>5649350
Carmack was a programming and technical genius, and also a crazy asshole.

>>5649351
>theory
that's a fucking fact anon

>>5649347
Carmack's autism was the reason of why no one wanted to use idtech powered games anymore.
Vanilla quake 2 is meh, but the mission packs(Reckoning, Ground Zero, Zaero) saves it.

RTCW is fun because he wasnt fully involved.

>>5649350
he hates the console ports for Quake and Doom, because the engines ended up being better than what he did on PC, due to PC's back then still having no dedicated hardware for graphics since it was all 3dfx.

Carmack hates that someone DID BETTER Than him.

>>5649351
and now he's doing stupid shit with VR and wasting all of Id's former money with rockets

>>5649350
>>5649351
>>5649352
Carmack was the engine guy, which he did incredible things with, but he wasn't exactly overly gifted in the human being department.

Several of them have said that Carmack didn't get on with the rest of the screwing about playing the game, even though it was both de-stressing for them and resulted in new ideas for stuff.

>>5649356
>he hates the console ports for Quake and Doom
He basically forced the good GBA port to be scrapped and use shit of his instead as a basis.

>>5649361
and it took 2 guys who made the perfect port of Doom 2 for GBA

What are some examples of game devs that were both technically proficient and also game design savvy?

Off the top of my head I can only name people who were one or the other

>>5649356
>>5649361
didnt he also fuck over the saturn port of doom?

>>5649356
>and now he's doing stupid shit with VR
He's Facebooks bitch now, link fucking related.
https://youtu.be/CtcZ4eF58zQ?t=128

>>5649140
I like it, they're clearly embracing more of the open map design instead of everything just being arenas, it's good. The whiners want old Doom with a new skin, which we don't need because mods are keeping old Doom plenty fresh.

>>5649365
Yeah, he made the team scrap an engine that was made to take advantage of the Saturn and replace it with one that rendered the game the same way as the PC version even though he knew it would run like shit.

Carmack's a salty little bitch at the best of times, it seems.

>>5649379
But lowpolyDoom got DMCA'd so how can we keep it fresh now?

>>5649382
Lowpoly Doom was shit.

>>5649385
we're tony hawk'ing this shit

>>5648981
We're on 4chan, misinformation is what we do

>Doomslayer vs Laurel & Hardy

DE looks fucking sick. I love that they revealed Doomguy's face behind the helmet. And he looks forlorn too, indicating he has morals and feelings beyond "kill demons". It's funny how many people call original Doomguy "faceless" or "voiceless" considering his face is in the center of the screen at all times and he makes noise when being hurt or humping walls.

>>5649403
Doomguy had a face model in Doom 4 too.

>>5649382
with the literal millions of other mods out there, vasyan's shitty mod getting shut down is a complete non-issue

>>5649405
Didn't he look like Vin Diesel

>>5649405
Where? I dont remember ever seeing it.

>>5649409
>>5649410

>>5649382
Wait, was that that Russian shit that some retard kept shilling in here?

>>5649438
yeah

tried his best to be as obnoxious about it as possible
bit him in the ass
good riddance

>>5649442
fuck yeah karma

>One hundredth of the puzzle has been solved.

>>5649201
#notmykeen
seriously though, i don't mind the art style in and of itself, but it doesn't feel anything like commander keen. feels like a cartoon network cartoon from 2010

>>5649469
Bruh... Is that trophy a voxel? Looks really 3D.

>>5649424
If that's something ripped from the game data and not actually shown in-game then obviously that's different.

>>5649479
Well, they are OG Keen’s kids, meaning one of them is one of Doomguy’s parents.

>>5649484
It’s technically shown in the game when you go to the character upgrade screen and model viewer.

>>5649481
no voxels in vanilla

>>5649481
midtexture magic

>>5649364
Shinobu Yagawa

"This happened after Romero accidentally locked himself in his office. Hearing the pleas, Carmack gave the knob a twist, paused, then deduced the most obvious and immediate solution. “You know,” he said, “I do have a battle-ax in my office.” Carmack had recently paid five thousand dollars for the custom-made weapon—a razor-edged hatchet like something out of Dungeons and Dragons. As the other guys gathered around chanting, “Battle-ax! Battle-ax! Battle-ax!” Carmack chopped Romero free. The splintered door remained in the hall for months."
― from "Masters of Doom: How Two Guys Created an Empire and Transformed Pop Culture"

>>5649518
Where can I buy Masters of Doom? I've put this off for far too long.

>>5649519
Amazon
It's where I copy pasted that from

>>5649518
This was when Carmack was still swole. But even still, he could probably still choke someone out today.

>ES Blades flashbacks
>to progress to the next level you must wait 3 hours or pay up 5 bucks!
I'm not too keen on this =\

>>5649335
>he was a jealous bitch, and HE HATED Steed for being a better modeller than him.
Doesn't Steed have a segment in one of his modeling books about how he was in awe at Adrian's texturing prowess? Was Adrian not content that someone else was a better modeler while he was a better texture artist? What a shitter. The more I read about old id, the more everyone there at the start (other than Tom Hall) turns out to be an ass hat and the more everyone else (Sandy, McGee, etc.) end up being pretty cool dudes. Even with Steed's drinking problems.

>>5649389
You ever wonder just how many people the phrase 'secret tape' means literally nothing to?

https://youtu.be/hnW-q6Grl4s

>>5649208
gay moai heads

Is jumping in Doom cheating?

>>5649579
Depends on the mapset and gameplay mod used. Same with crouching but that's rarer. You can definitely cheat in a map like E1M9.

You guys are quick to hate something you haven't even played just because it's new.

Eternal looks fucking awesome and will bring as much if not more fun that Doom 2016.

>>5649580
I skipped over a few end parts in Infreno just because I was stumped

>>5649006
Ok I'll bite.

>rectangle shaped arena with 0 thought put into it
You know it's not true.

>platforming
Better than wads for old Doom with platforming. At least this game is built with that in mind.

>no key hunting
You don't fucking know that.

>no secrets
You don't FUCKING know that.

>slow as fuck
It looks anything BUT slow.

I really hope you were just shitposting for fun.

>>5649589
Wasn’t there a yellow key during Quakecon? And a floating question mark for a secret today?

>>5649596
If there were I missed them but 2016 had both so it's idiotic to assume Eternal wont have those.
2016 was a complete love letter to 90's FPS, of course Eternal is going to be more of this good stuff.

>>5649403
I think saying Doomguy is "voiceless" is still valid. He's about as voiced as Link, where he'll grunt and shout and such but doesn't actually "say" any words. Doomguy definitely has a personality though, between his facial expressions, backstory, and the narration at certain points in wads.

>>5649621
But why does he sound like the Quake Ranger?

>>5649629
Not happy enough with taking the Quad Damage and the slipgates, Bethesda has finally taken the HUH as well. It's all over.

>>5649589
>>no key hunting
>You don't fucking know that.
There's no reason to believe they will bring back key hunting. IIRC there was one (1) key in 2016 and it was quite near the door that required it.
But I don't really care, it's fine if there isn't key hunting. It's a very different game from classic Doom that's good in its own right.

>>5649631
OR
Quake has more to do with Eternal than we think

>>5649636
>Quake has more to do with Eternal than we think
Great.

>>5649635
But it’s literally in the first gameplay footage on earth, you retard.

>>5649606
2016 was a love letter to Painkiller, not Doom.

>>5649006
Didn't they already shown secrets?

>slow as fuck
Because it's played on a controller. Look back at promotional materials of the original - they have same pace.

FIVE CACOS AND 5 BARONS IS TOO MANY ROMERO
ITS TOO FUCKING MANY

It's your every once in a while reminder that Dark Forces is more interesting than Doom.

wait one fucking second
the new Doom Eternal HUD has the health, armor and ammo in the same positions as the ZDoom icon HUD

>>5649651
health on the right and ammo on the left is standard
and armor/ any other protection above health is too

>>5649649
Romero likes it when you suffer.

>>5649579
If you're playing maps made for the vanilla engine? Yes.
If you're playing maps made for a source port? They might be made with jumping in mind, in which case obviously not.

>>5649653
I dunno, armor bars have been absent from a lot of FPS games lately or in a fairly different position. when I I see health on the bottom and armor on top, not to mention the icons next to them the way this is doing it, I think Doom.

What was the greatest year for DOOM modding? I

>>5649650
>Disney
>N O S O U R C E
>N E V E R E V E R

>>5649653
>standard not being health on the left

>>5649006
>FPS platforming is bad
Nah, Duke3d and Quake were just fine with it's platforming. Hell, even doom happened to have a prototype of platforming via falling off platforms with speed to reach other platforms across a gap. I don't even know why people cringe at the sight of a jump button in an FPS. It's like FPS games were evolving to have more movement options, then suddenly FPS games became grounded flat mapped military shooters with only hitscan humans as enemies.

>>5649679
wait i fucked that up
ammo on the side of screen where gun is, which is normally right

>>5649650
>Source port abandoned with gamebreaking bugs
>Dark Forces Plus fucks with other windows and requires further configuring.
Too bad they'res no easy way to rebind keys. It's solid, I just can't tolerate the wacky controls.

>>5649010
>>5649020
So basically John Romero was being John Romero with the level design.

>>5649685
Grab the steam executable. They edited it to use WASD and mouse for turning

>>5649687
yes
but this is post-daikatana, and he was out for blood

>>5649650
what even is that weapon

>>5649694
>but this is post-daikatana, and he was out for blood
Can't argue with that. He's already being a real motherfucker.
I don't think I can take this on nightmare, guys.

>>5649694
>>5649687
Imagine if Daikatana was actually good upon release and Romero continued making games back then

>>5649696
I can't. It hurts too much.

>>5648687
>[6-9] New MetaDoom update

Does MetaDoom have EVERY weapon from Doom 2016?

>>5648980
>>5648989
Are there larger versions of these without the logo?

>>5649692
Aye, I'll see what I can do.

>>5649695
Nightmare is a joke on purpose. It’s designed to be unfair.

>>5649717
I thought Ultra-Nightmare was the joke.

>>5649718
thats a d44m thing
you could try UV -fast if you really have something to prove

>>5648891
>attacking heaven
>implying that's heaven
Nigger, demons deceive. They're trying to control Earth by pretending they're good.

>>5649734
But they literally said that one of the levels takes place in Heaven.

>>5649737
Chances are strong that it's either demons invading heaven or that it's some place that the demons told mankind was heaven.
If Doomguy is literally ripping wings off angels, I'm out.

>>5649737
doomguy seems like the kind of guy who would go for independant vegas any

>>5649740
thump harder

>>5649745
>thump harder
Gladly.

>>5649740
Just because they’re angels, doesn’t make them good.

>>5648891
You're obviously going to be defending heaven.

>>5649006
>>slow as fuck

This is the part that worries me. Can anyone tell if it's slower than Doom 2016? Or even if it's slower than the footage they showed off at Quakecon 2018?

>>5648980
wait now i realize that purple imp is the one from doom 64 damn

>>5649756
> nightmare imp
OH SHIT
maybe we get a double chainsaw too

>another E3
>still no Half-Life 3

I realize it's never going to happen, but still...

what a fucking maze

Can’t wait to qte glorykill a classic cybderdemon. The symbolism is unprecedented.

>>5649784
Isnt the PC show today? They would never announce it at a console stage.

fuck sake playing this on hell on earth was a mistake

>>5649849
barely

>>5649840
They did it for portal 2

>>5649839
>qte
this ain't the RE4 thread

>>5649203
There, now it's perfect.

>>5648684
This image was an inside job.

Doom64 'Master' Edition or whatever is neat, but I dunno if it feels as authentic as EX. Just feels like normal Doom with a skin, where EX feels really similar to the actual game, to me. The PSX Doom TC part is pretty nice, though. The lighting is great and the glowing monster eyes is dope. I recommend it, definitely.

>>5649740
The old Testament angels were not any less brutal than demons.
In fact, they are one and the same - demons are angels that were cast down and "fallen"

>>5649870
Bestiality is still misspelled.

>>5649870
yall forgetting the bunny tho
what tag is it?

>>5649870
Yaoi is still misspelled.

>>5649649
>doom 1 assets

>>5648725
Having mod support is always better than not having it, objectively, but there's lots of games I like which either has no mod support, or there's no modding scene to speak of.

You also have some games which aren't designed to be modded at all, but through hacks they still have a scene.
Super Mario games are console exclusive and in no way intended to be modified by the user, yet there's decades of hacks, some quite ambitious and advanced.

>>5649898
>shadman

>>5649332
It reminds me of a certain someone

>>5649890
>>5649905
You fucking fix it then.

>>5649916
Okay. What font did you use?

>>5648939
Eh.
Pre-orders never seem worth it.

>>5648968
I still think they're different guys.

>>5648995
I never regarded the RPG phone games as canon.

>>5649638
Doomguy destroys heaven and awakens shub-niggurath, thus starting the new quake reboot.

Calling it.

>>5649029
Ok, that's pretty neat.

>>5649103
GAAH! Please stop posting that!

is there a setting in gzdoom to play with pistol start?

>>5649959
Kinda hope they don't do that.
I really prefer Wolfenstein, Doom, and Quake, to have their own separate universes.

>>5649968
There is a mod that does, which you can put on autoload.

>>5649921
Well, I only edited the original but I'm pretty sure it's Calibri

I couldn't find one at the same resolution.
>>5649972
Fuck it, I was using Arial.

>>5649970
I second that, but Id is known to fuck around with the lore so we'll never know till the game gets released.

>>5649974
I don't know why the
>shadman
wasn't green.

>>5649029
I love that BFG firing mechanism has convienient handles that you can hold onto in case you want to cannonball yourself from it.. Also, his guts should be in the outside now.

>>5649740
There's fallen angels, that's where demons came from, biblically.

>>5649201
They should obviously have him involved with Keen as he understands Keen better than anyone else.

>>5649974
>>5649978
Shit, that was a fine job there anon, sorry if I was being rude

>press quick save instead of quick load
>on 10 hp in front of a revenant fireball

>>5649989
I missed a couple, and Yuri was green for some reason. If anything is wrong with it now, I'm just gonna upload the .psd somewhere.

>>5649201
God, I'm so fucking sorry, Tom.

>>5649978
>milf is still in there
deviants, plebeians, people with no sense of morals or taste
how despicable

I bet you don't even like abs on a lady either, you are that contemptible, I hope the prince of hell drags your wretched souls to the deepest abyss where the likes of you are forced to play Doom with shitty HD repacks for all eternity

good day sir, and McFucking kill yourself

>>5650004
Replace it with handholding

>>5649993
There's a druid looking dude on the left standing next to the building. If only this could be him.

>>5650013
Close enough.

>>5650013
Have at ye.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/e1svm8k22hlvnzy/doom_fetishes.psd/file

lel the new cyberdemon looks like some run of the mill redneck

>>5650004
Hey, I like tomboy gangrape, but I don't complain because that's clearly an image made from the perspective of a vanillafag.

>>5650032
jokes aside milfs are pretty vanilla all things considered

>>5649347
Sort of.

Carmack didn't think pushwalls could be done in a clean and good looking way for Wolfenstein 3D, but Tom and Romero repeatedly insisted that they were necessary, and Carmack eventually gave in and figured out a way to make them work in a way he thought was satisfactory, revealing it to them when they were about to come nag at him again.

Carmack could be stubborn on points like these, but he could still be convinced, just like with teleporters for Doom.

>>5650037
i guess they took the M in it a little too literally

OK im dumb and broke :where can I download the full SIGIL version without paying ?

>>5650037
Oh yeah. Lolis can be vanilla too, in a sense, but the average vanillafag won't go for that.

>>5650046
Someone uploaded it here just a few threads back. Search for Mega in the archive.

>>5650047
this is quickly veering into non Doom territory

where was I? oh yeah
Sunder is finally out, how long until BTSX3?
hell man at this rate we are getting mordred

>>5650056
Dudeman keeps working on other things. Soon.

Why don't you like Blade of Agony, anon?

>>5650069
why do you post assumption filled questions that aren't directed at anybody

Just watched the Bethesda E3 show and I haven't checked this thread yet but I have really high hopes for it. It looks incredibly fun to me and everything I was looking for in a reboot of doom 2016. I really dig how the bigger monsters are less bullet spongey now and dynamically have bits of armor and flesh fly off the bone while shooting them. It looks super responsive. My only issue so far was the lack of music in the gameplay trailer which felt off to me. While I haven't read through the thread yet, I'm going to say it's fair to assume all of you guys hate it knowing yall's contrarian hivemind.

>Doomcon announced

>>5650070
Because nobody talks about it.

>>5650075
I'm okay with this.

>>5650075

>>5650013
He's probably just Satanic cult leader or something idk.

>>5650087
Well I'm fucking not?

>>5650090
oh it would be such a shame if the draw anons here took this opportunity to make some more delightful Crash fan art

do it you fucks

>>5650096
Turns out it's only for people who are going to the con. That sucks.

>>5650096
based crash waifu poster

>>5649076
>I'm mad, but I'm still buying it

>>5650108
not him
jus carrying the torch