/vr/ - Retro Games

lots of jobs or lots of characters is always more fun to me.

Shining Force and FFIX

No JRPG will ever beat Ogre Battle.

>>5645671
I'm not sure what that last statement even means. In English?

I'm I the only one that prefers the locked jobs of FFI to the switching of FFIII and FFV?

>>5645671
>Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete (not sega version, seems like it will be linear, sega version was garbage)

L2Complete is at least as much, if not more linear than the SCD version and is markedly worse in almost every respect.

I like RPGs with lots of classes or options.

CT is the best RPG and I still think it might be the greatest game of all time.

>>5645781
Chross is better.

Action RPG. There's more actual gameplay, not just clicking through menus. Zelda was what first got me into gaming, it was the first game I ever played.

>>5645806
>Zelda isn't an ARPG.

>>5645813
Where's your reading comprehension?

>>5645819
Right here. Action-Adventure and Action-RPG are superficially similar, but distinct genres. Zelda is the former.

>>5645826
Why did you make an incorrect statement using greentext? Are you from reddit?

>>5645829
I didn't greentext and my statement is objective fact. I didn't think reddit even had greentext lol

>>5645830
Oh yeah, time for the "I'm not that guy, but" game. Zelda is an ARPG.

>>5645840
It's literally not. An Action RPG is an RPG with action element. It has no actual important RPG gameplay features and thus is very obviously not an action based RPG. It's solidly a classic example of Action Adventure. There is no reason at all to try to shoehorn it into a genre it does not actually represent when it's already an excellent example of the one it is.

>>5645759
I don't, but I see why you might. Perhaps you'd enjoy FF5 more with the Four Job Fiesta? That is a challenge in the FF5 community where you are asked to roll 4 characters, each of a random role, and to never switch from these jobs, ever. FF5 is perfectly beatable with any single-job character solo (except Berserker) and considering how many jobs there are, a party of 4 is just a treat.

>>5645759
I prefer 3, but I did read your reasons once and thought they had some merit in that it forces you to make your party work in every situation.

>>5645882
Yeah, "play the hand you're dealt" is a fun dynamic in games.

>>5645759
I don't mind the concept but the implementation sucks because class balance is awful in FF1.

>>5645887
It's why I love roguelikes so much, but I'm not a huge FF1 fan.

almost made it a dozen posts before devolving into autistic shit-flinging, well done boys

>>5645792
KISS ME

Pic related is not only my fav retro JRPG but also my fav game period.

>>5645671
Earthbound
FF6
Chrono trigger
>>5645759
What I liked from 1 and 3 is that regardless of the character, the appearance for a job would be the same.
In 5 the jobs system is really good and has some great combos, but it really bugs me that the iconic design of the black mage is disrupted by faris' purple hair, or the ninja is now an old man. I like encarnations of classes rather than characters. The exception would be FF6 since every character embodies their class pretty well.
It's also a shame that the final overpowered classes of FF3 never made an appearance again.
I think the permanent class thing would be ok if you had like 16 or so jobs to pick from, you knew what their base stats were and they were more or less balanced.

Is Grandia a good game?

Dragon Quest V is an all-time favorite (as in, my third favorite game of all time) but I prefer the DS version of it just for the faster walking, party chat, four party members at once, and other things
I have played both though, and a bit of the PS2 version, but I never completed that version since I greatly prefer playing JRPGs on handhelds

Other good 80s/90s JRPGSs:
Final Fantasy V is easily my second favorite one, and probably my 10th/11th favorite game of all time. I'm a sucker for class systems.
Final Fantasy VI is great
Final Fantasy III on the Famicom is actually really cool. Great music. I dislike the DS/PSP version since it has shitter music/graphics and you can't pretend your characters are gangsta rappers
IDK if Fire Emblem counts but Fire Emblem 4 is the bomb
Tactics Ogre too
Live A Live is neat
Not a JRPG but play Mario's Super Picross anyway you brainlet

>>5646236
I think it's a boring pile of trash but some seem to really like it, so the only thing to do is try it for yourself.

>What is your favorite RPG?
Final Fantasy VII

>Do you prefer customization with jobs and lots of characters, or linear progression where every character learns one thing after another and you can't change their path?
I guess the second one. I don't mind job systems. My biggest thing is that the game doesn't go overboard with the ability system they implement and make it a chore to figure out.

>Do you prefer action RPG or traditional RPG?
Traditional RPGs.

What do you guys name your DQIII party?
In the past I've always done Fire Emblem characters but for this fourth playthrough I'm mixing it up
>Anna the Merchant (Fire Emblem)
>Phonon the Thief (Under Night In:Birth)
>Dizzy the Cleric (Guilty Gear)

>>5646251

William Gabby and Gretchen

Mario rpg for nostalgic reasoning. Got it for my 7th birthday, when a nigga didn't get many games. Real answer, ff1 or dq3

>>5646236

It is if you want to go for an adventure

FFIX is my favorite jrpg, I lean towards games with a focus on the story/characters (basically what the genre evolved into rather than classic' role playing. On the other hand though stuff like FFV with fluid mechanics are great.

>>5645850
Zelda is closer to a classic top down JRPG than action adventure games like Tomb Raider. It has elements of action adventure, but overall it's more of an ARPG. One of the main reasons is the emphasis on story.

>>5646247
>>What is your favorite RPG?
Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma, D&D Mystara, Alundra


>Prefer linear or custom
linear gear, no progression, minimal story, small or minimal party

>trad or action
Action

>>5646565
Top down perspective doesn't mean anything, it's the same as pointing out there are shops and dialogue. All that stuff is ancillary. Tomb Raider is mostly a 3D platformer.

Also, not that I think story is an important gameplay marker, emphasis on story is as more a marker of Adventure Game than it is RPG. Both are video game adaptations of tabletop roleplaying games. The Adventure genre of King's Quest, Zork etc took the narrative storytelling puzzle and character interaction side of things. The RPG genre focused on the stats and combat mechanics, classes, party strategy etc. Also take note the names are arbitrary and vague as it is with almost all genre names.

>>5645671
I've enjoyed various types of console or PC "rpgs": Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Final Fantasy Tactics and FF8, Valkyrie Profile, Diablo I and II, Grandia. I tend to like micromanagement and freedom to move where I want to, though.Currently playing Earthbound for the first time, out of curiosity... kinda enjoying it but not hooked at all.

>>5645671
>Favorite
Legend of Dragoon

>Do you prefer customization with jobs and lots of characters, or linear progression
I prefer a middle ground between set classes with some measure of customization

>action or traditional
Traditional


BTW I'm looking to replay FF1, can anyone think of a more interesting party to play than this?

>>5647159
>BTW I'm looking to replay FF1, can anyone think of a more interesting party to play than this?
Caster-heavy parties are generally fairly unique in FF1 considering that Fighters are the best class, with the second spot going to Red Mages, so you're certainly going for something interesting here, no doubt.

>>5647159
great names for that party

>>5647170
>great names for that party

Thanks. I originally used it for a four white mage party but it wasn't really fun for me.

>>5645671
I consider rpg's to be my favorite genre yet I can't bring myself to play one that doesn't allow some form of customization, the more the better really.

FF6 is a pretty good example, you have a really large cast of playable characters, all with a unique mechanic of some kind, furthermore depending on what summons you equip them with they learn different magic and gain different stats, then you have accessories which can do some fairly unique things and most importantly the game splits the party often so you have plenty of chances to actually use these characters.

It's not a perfect game but I find it gives you plenty to do in regards to tinkering with your stats, there are fewer and fewer rpg's that allow such things, so I'm excited whenever one pops up.

A small peeve of mine is when you get characters that are incredibly single-focused, say you get 2 tank characters in the game, they truly tank with every facet of their stats but are useless in other capacities. I'm already screwed if I like the look\personality of both of them because party wise you only want 1 and also it doesn't allow room for me to play them as a DPS for instance.

>>5645671
>What is your favorite RPG?

I don't have one specific choice only.
I like FF6, 8, 12, Megami Tensei series, NWN, BG2 and TO: LUCT.

>Do you prefer customization with jobs and lots of characters, or linear progression where every character learns one thing after another and you can't change their path?

would rather have the first option, however it's important to note that linear progression has its perks if the narrative and gameplay is good enough. The Witcher series does that quite well. I'd still would play something like Dark Souls over that any day because I hate games that try to be more movie than game.

>Do you prefer action RPG or traditional RPG?

it just depends on the battle system and the overall gameplay but action is usually still better, also in the case of active turn-based combat. purely turn-based can be a total snooze fest but I think ToEE does that best.

>>5645759
personally I like the FF2, FF6, 7(? haven't played it yet) or 8 class solution best. there are no fucking classes anymore. just go nuts with a skill-based system. I like that better than forcing roles in FF3 and 5 but I'd probably prefer FF1 if I can't have the skill-based system rather than meme classes and meme limitations.

>>5648443
Are 8 and 5 so different? You have what? 4 slots for commands but you have to learn the commands first and then equip them in whatever order you want. In 8 you learn it from GF's, in 5 you need to level up a job. I forget if 3 had a passive system or not.

>>5648551
I love the systems in 8 so much, but wow do I hate the story and characters. It's a shame because it seems like a game id enjoy really digging into.

>>5648551
the big difference is that different jobs grant entirely different playstyles and tools, which is why so many people love to replay it. With GFs the only real customizing you do to differentiate your party is junctioning - and any GF can junction any magic as far as I recall.

>>5650043
Oh, I see. The thing with GF's is that each one has a different list of things they learn. You CAN get every GF to junction any magic, that much isn't default behavior but is trivial to achieve, the main thing they provide is unique commands that can't be transferred.

Ifrit allows you to use the Mad Rush command which casts berserk on your entire party, Leviathan has a party heal, etc. So if you wanted to make a physically offensive character with some healing in 5 you would choose a main-job, sub-skillset and then 2? appropriate passives. In 8 you would make sure the right gf's are junctioned and then choose 4 appropriate commands.

So 5 is certainly more restrictive if you look at a single job but as a whole they're both pretty free-form. 8 has extra utility with junctioning magic to specific stats, whereas 5 actually has an equipment system that add unique interactions.

The biggest offender in the series for me is 9, it has the illusion of choice and freedom but in reality you only decide between 3 or so passive per character, since you have enough points to get the rest of them. It's a wonderful game but I was let down by how stringent it was mechanically.

jRPGs with customization besides equipment are pretty rare

>>5645840
kys troll

>>5650083
They're the minority but you'd be surprised. I think I've played every localized rpg for the psx and I'd say close to half of them have some kind of customization gimmick to them. The strange thing to me is why every single new jRPG doesn't have it as a feature, it should just be a part of the genre by now, include an auto option for traditional players and you're set.

>>5650083
You have some FF, some DQ, every saga game, every metal max game, there is a lot of customization in Uncharted Waters too.

I really liked YS 1, I usually never play any jrpgs cuz I find the grind boring and unrewarding, but the YS charmed in a sense that it was very skill based and made me actually feel like a hero in the story. Really wish I played it back when it came out, and not 20 years later

>>5650691
I always wanted to get into these games but the moving into an enemy to damage it always messed me up, I must have brain damage because I really tried to get it down but it never felt right.

Favorite rpgs? Ffix, chrono trigger, terranimga(yeah, its an action rpg) and kotor.

I dont really need customization, bit generally prefer it. Honestly, if it has a decent combat system and solid story ill most likely enjoy it

>>5645671
Party or character (if there's no party like TES) creation , with lots of jobs, I don't mind if there's no change class much

Just got Gabo in DQ7, can't wait to get to the job class place

Sleep spell is way stronger than it was in 3

Which retro jrpgs have editors made for them? romhacking.net has the barely anything

>all these fucking weebs with their meme jrpgs

I like lots of options for classes, skills and equipment and then a good challenge to make all those options matter. Unfortunately Etrian has kind of spoiled me on classic RPGs.

>>5645671
My favorite RPG is paper mario ttyd, I like the more linear style of progression, and I prefer a hybrid of the two with action commands, but if I had to pick one over the other I'd go with action

>>5651942
What's a non meme jrpg?

>>5651942
What does "meme" even mean in this case?

>>5650505
Are any of the more "obscure" titles here any good? I just tried out Shinsendan, and it is an absolute slog even compared to Dragon Quest II

>>5651948
Just play Zelda and stop looking for "muhh obscure RPG" - they're not good.

>>5652230
why are you saying "muhh"? What are you implying?

>>5652230
take a shower

>>5652230
Zelda's not even an RPG.