/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5644062
Brandish 2.

>>5644062
Illusion of Gaia
Zelda Oracle of Ages
Alundra

>>5644106
Zelda and Alundra are action adventure games.

>>5644119
Only in your mind.

>>5644201
How are they RPG? The only thing they can increase are their life bar and magic bar through items. Offense and defense only changes with items. They deal and receive a fixed amount of damage.

>>5644256
Starting a debate about whether Zelda is an RPG is classic /vr/ bait. Don't respond to it.

>>5644119
nice bait, but even the makers of Alundra called it an action rpg or rpg with "real time battles".

>>5644256
>increase their life bar and magic bar
>offense and defense changes
Sorry but that's an RPG bro. An ARPG though.

>>5644283
[citation needed]

>>5644292
Is Metroid an RPG?
Is Cave Story an RPG?

>>5644303
Do you spend a lot of time talking to NPCs in Metroid? Do you visit shops and decide which items to spend money on in Metroid? Does Nintendo categorize Metroid as an RPG?

>>5644298
~~These two interviews from the late 90s discuss the genesis and development of Matrix Software’s much-beloved Playstation action-RPG Alundra and its sequel, Alundra 2. ~~~

Reporter: "—When did the planning for this project get underway?"

"Ohori: I suppose it was just before the PlayStation launched… About three years ago. I put together a group, mainly of guys who worked on Landstalker, and who thought, ‘I want to make a hardcore action RPG.’ He’s not sitting with us right now, but I’m talking about guys like Kenji Orimo, who was the map designer on Landstalker."

http://shmuplations.com/alundra/
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There's more reference to "RPG" in the interview, ctrl+f to see.

>>5644320
>—This game is considered difficult.

>Tanaka: While I was playing through to the end, I don’t know how many times I got angry, or wondered what we were thinking, making a game like this. I’m serious. I wondered whether I just suck at the game, or whether we made the difficulty malicious. But, I got through it, and realized that’s not the case. I’m very happy with the results.

>Tezuka: From the way your sweat was pouring, I can tell that’s no lie! (laughs)

>Tanaka: Maybe that’s my fighting spirit!

>Tezuka: I think that really captures how we were feeling, though. Recently, there’s nothing but kind, gentle games, right? Not only when it comes to RPGs. But even just a little while ago, I don’t think it was like this. Dragon Quest II was tough.


BASED

>>5644062
Golden Sun has puzzles, but I never beat it so I don't know if they got difficult. They seemed very easy to me at the start.

>>5644313
Metroid Prime sequels have NPC's and no one calls them RPG. Wizardry, which has influenced every JRPG has next to no NPC. Hydlide, which influenced every ARPG has no shops nor NPC. NPC and stores alone don't make an RPG. RPG's like Valkyrie Profile have no shops you buy and sell from. RPG's like Vagrant Story has no NPC's outside cutscenes. Where has Nintendo of Japan labeled Zelda as an ARPG? In fact, where did Japan consider Zelda an ARPG. Stores and western players are the only people around that claim Zelda is not just action adventure.

>>5644320
>>5644324
Fair enough.

>>5644338
>literally being autistic
Dude, it's an ARPG. Deal with it.

>>5644374
Where is your argument?

>>5644401
What's yours? You're listing of RPG elements Zelda has, and saying because other RPGs don't have those elements, then Zelda isn't an RPG? And your weeaboo obsession with Japan speaks for itself. It's a fuckin ARPG, faggot.
Ok, I'll address your obsession. How about Miyamoto himself said Zelda is a RPG, is that good enough?

>>5644338
>Where has Nintendo of Japan labeled Zelda as an ARPG?
It's literally written on the game cover. Here look at the text in the bottom.

Lufia 2

>>5644513
This.
And illusion of Gaia.

>>5644258
Bait? Miyamoto himself said it isn't. There is nothing to discuss against the man himself.

The puzzles in Golden Sun were fucking fantastic. I remember spending a lot of time with them

>>5644552
>2001
not retro

>>5644552
Thanks bro, I'll have to check it out again and go for a full finish.
>>5644628
This is the only downside, since I love to play retro games, not modern games.

>>5644642
>This is the only downside, since I love to play retro games, not modern games.
But you obviously love modern games as well since you describe Golden Sun as "fucking fantastic".

>>5644654
I didn't describe it as that. That was another anon.
It does look interesting, but I've heard from other ppl that it is extremely easy.

>>5644654
That was me, sorry.

I guess I assume GS was retro for me cause I played it as a teen

>>5644313
but those aren't the defining characteristics of the genre. 2/10 attempt, i'll give you another chance.

>>5644313
NPCs and shops are not key features of RPGs. That's irrelevant. RPG refers to leveling up and stat gains through fighting monsters.

>the one derail nigger sperging out about what an rpg is in the one decent active thread that isn't some shitty "this game is actually shit prove me wrong" bait thread
Thanks a lot you fucking faggot, even if you truly deep down in your heart hate the idea that someone called games an rpg that you disagree with, just shut the fuck up about it and let the thread go on.

>>5644903
It's bait going both ways. Zelda fans will purposefully mention it in RPG threads because for some reason it's important to them to shoehorn it into a genre it doesn't fit in. It's perfect bait though because everyone knows if it goes unchallenged they will succeed with their trolling. So by mentioning Zelda in an RPG thread they're certain to derail it and then they can throw out bait like "but you go to stores and talk to NPCs, plus you're a fantasy elf that's what RPG is!!" It's the exact same tactic, if not the same people (likely) as the Sega System threads. Sorry for your thread lol

>>5644929
What type of game do the characteristics “going to shops” and “talking to NPCs” better fit in, then? They may not be your idea of the most defining characteristics of an RPG, but they are obviously more RPG related than any other genre. Like the other guy said maybe just let it go, as for most people, and Nintendo of Japan themselves, Zelda is an ARPG. If you want to privately cry about it, fine, but no need to ruin every thread that mentions this topic.

>>5645623
>What type of game do the characteristics “going to shops” and “talking to NPCs” better fit in, then?

Action Adventure. You don't call Kid Icarus an ARPG for having both.

>>5644062
Mystic Ark, although most of the puzzles are just bullshit or block-pushers.

>>5645623
Various games have shops and Adventure Games tend to have many NPCs you talk to for information. It's not a defining feature of either genre.

And we've also gone over Nintendo's take on this as well. They simplify everything, lumping tons of games like Terraria in with RPGs and list Street Fighter as simply an action game. They can call Zelda an RPG but it doesn't actually make it one since it really follows none of the basic gameplay features associated with the genre. But you know all this already because it's been talked to death here lately. Points for getting another reply out of me, but when you bring up shops and NPCs like it's a real argument again and again it's pretty sad.

>>5645653
You talk to NPCs for more than information in Zelda, you talk to them for story.
Also first one of you fags claimed it didn’t count that Nintendo called it an ARPG because it wasn’t Nintendo of Japan. You got proved wrong and are now trying to move the goalposts once again. Face it, you’ve been BTFO.

>>5645708
>You talk to NPCs for more than information in Zelda, you talk to them for story

That doesn't make it any more an RPG. It's completely ancillary to what genre it falls under. All Metal Gear's story based talking doesn't bring it any close to being an RPG, the same with King's Quest and hundreds of other games.

I don't remember who said it was Japan who listed it as an RPG, either way it still doesn't matter. Nintendo can call Street Fighter and action game, but it doesn't not make it a fighting game by genre.

>>5645726
Ok autismo, but please keep your opinion to yourself and stop ruining threads. Everyone else in the world knows Zelda is an ARPG.

>>5645804
Nice try, but no. It's not an ARPG in any way at all. And any time you try to force this lame meme I will tell you how wrong and stupid you are for not being able to understand something so simple.

wow, 40 new replies to my thread!
>they're retarded

>>5645869
Welcome to 4chan :)

>>5645810
If you categorize it as the developer intended, it's an ARPG. It's only something else according to you, a sad troll. You must be one of those LCD trolls who don't respect what the developer intended.

>>5645886
>If you categorize it as the developer intended

Where?

>>5645886
What they call it doesn't matter as much as what it fits under according to it's gameplay features. Nintendo doesn't recognize either Adventure, Action-Adventure or even fighting games as dustinct genres. What broad label they slap on a game doesn't actually matter when it comes to discussing genres.

>>5645892
If I show you, are you going to move the goalposts again? Oh it looks like according to the poster above me it doesn’t even matter what the developer intended.

>>5645927
Yes that's correct, as has been explained about a dozen times at this point. Nintendo is out of touch when it comes to genres and doesn't even recognize Action-Adventure which is why they lump it in with RPGs along with games like Bloodstained and Terraria even though none of them are. Nintendo is a company aimed at kids so they simplify things, but it doesn't mean something is actually an RPG just because that's the slot they put it in.

A company can say they made a new platformer (also a genre Nintendo doesn't think exists) but if it doesn't follow any of the conventions or gameplay features of the platformer genre, then it isn't one. Zelda is the same thing. It's not an RPG regardless what Nintendo labels it as.

>>5646104
>ONLY I DECIDE WHAT IS AN RPG OR NOT
oh stfu retard

>>5646509
Not me, I didn't make the deffinitions. I just understand them.

>>5646519
>deffinitions

def·i·ni·tions

>>5646525
Sorry I didn't bother to check my spelling on the thousandth reply I've made to this stupid troll line.

What I really don't get is why you're so invested in shoving Zelda into a genre it shares almost nothing with outside of common fantasy themes. It's an amazing and revolutionary series that's in many ways the bedrock of the Action-Adventure game. Legend of Zelda is groundbreaking, and that's a good thing.

>>5644062
SaGa Frontier had a few

>>5646550
It's an ARPG.

>>5648148
There are no stats. Even River City Ransom has them.

>>5648148
It absolutely is not and why has been explained multiple times over multiple threads including this one. You're either trolling or colossally stupid, either way all you're doing is derailing threads bringing it up over and over.

>>5644303
>playing through the role of Samus
>playing through the role of Curly or whatever the protag of Cave Story was named
Technically all Zeldas are RPGs since you're playing the role of Link the Hero of Courage. Games like Vice City are RPGs because you play the role of Tommy Vercetti. RPGs were games exceptional at simulating a fantasy life, but the earliest RPGs being high-fantasy based aren't definitive of the genre. Neither is method of attacking, or inventory.

>>5648150
Stats? You seem to be thinking of JRPGs, not ARPGs.

>>5644507
I remember the loading screen for the Satellaview Zelda game saying that Zelda was the first game to be called an ARPG.

>>5649256
Nope.

>>5649162
Decent bait

>>5649018
You're the only one derailing. Everyone including Nintendo is in agreement that Zelda is an ARPG. Hell, even the /vr/ image list of ARPGs shows Zelda. You're just a pathetic troll who wants to cause drama in every thread possible. You're probably the "sega system!!11" guy, too. It's Sega Master System. And Zelda is an ARPG. It says Sega Master System on the box. It says ARPG on the box.

>>5650824
>Everyone including Nintendo is in agreement that Zelda is an ARPG.

Everyone except Nintendo's simplified and childish categories recognizes Zelda as an Action Adventure because that's exactly what it is. Calling it an RPG only highlights that you don't understand what the term means. This has been explained over and over and over by multiple people. You are derailing the threads bringing it up on purpose constantly.

>>5651006
Here, this should clear things up for you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_role-playing_game
Notice the reference to Zelda as an ARPG.
So much for "everyone except Nintendo" calling it an action adventure game. I guess you got pretty much BTFO, try not to throw a complete hissy fit.

>>5651051
Not in the slightest. Zelda isn't an RPG in any way ans there's no reason to refer to it as such.

>>5651112
>Zelda isn't an RPG in any way
In any way? Are you actually retarded?

>>5651142
No. Zelda has no real RPG gameplay features that aren't equally or more features of Adventure games. There's almost no way at all that it's part of the RPG genre in any way.

>>5651195
How much time do you spend talking to NPCs to move the "story" along in Tomb Raider, exactly?

>>5651346
Really? We've been over this exact thing with that same example numerous times already. Are you trolling or fucking retarded? If I actually explain it again now will you read and try to have it sink into your thick skull?

>>5651629
The original creator of the game, the developer company, the /vr/ chart, Wikipedia, and almost everyone else in the world disagrees with you but sure keep thinking you're right and everyone including the person who made the fucking game is wrong.

>>5651645
So I'll take that as a no, you don't want a genuine response to that riddiculous example yet again because all you care about is trolling.

Ohh and Wikipedia lists it as it's correct genre by the way.

>>5651645
>the /vr/ chart
... is deliberately inclusive.
OP specifically implied he was looking for non-action RPGs. The inclusive definition does not apply.
Zelda is a series known for its puzzles. Chances are OP is well fucking aware of Zelda.
Without even knowing anything about any of the definitions, bringing up Zelda only proves that you are a complete idiot who can't follow basic language.

>>5651657
>>5651732
>still fighting against what the creator himself said
Oof, agree to disagree I guess.

>>5651773
Try actually reading and understanding for once lol.

You did figure it out without using a guide, right /vr/?