/vr/ - Retro Games

oh lawl, retrofitting drm shit to retroconsoles

Lawsuit when? mnemo needs to be taken down a notch, what piece of shit.

Lol

Pirates BTFO again. How many times does this have to happen before people learn there's no honor among thieves.

>BUT I BOUGHT THIS SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY GAMES!

I don't get it. Why not just burn discs?

>>5640613
Those optical drives aren't going to last forever, anon. It's about preservatio... Ahaha. No. Can't say it with a straight face. GIEB FREE GAMEZ.

Honestly this should come as a surprise to no one given that it's mnemo.

Emulation master race not affected

>>5640584
>>5640603
>>5640616
Seething collectorfags.

>>5640619
>3do emulation

>>5640636
>3do games

>>5640636
Name ONE (1) game you would unironically, literally, without a shadow of a doubt, emulate or play that is from the 3DO library.

>>5640616
>Those optical drives aren't going to last forever, anon
But all of mine have lasted literally since I got the consoles? I don't get this meme

>>5640636
>3do in general

>>5640636
3DO emulation is pretty great tho, the only consoles that won't emulate at all are Jag and Xbox

>>5640535
Idk why anyone would even buy from this asshat. I ended up buying a GD-Emu because I didn't want to deal with Mnemo's bullshit. People need to stop giving him money.

>>5640653
Mechanical gears and lasers don't last forever. But they are easily replaceable.

Wouldn't using a cf card have the best compatibility since they can just be wired directly to the board? And sd->cf adapters exist. Why are people mucking around with sd and usb boards?

>>5640651
It arguably had the best version of Road Rash.

That's about it

>>5640756
>sd and usb
muh most common shit

>>5640686
>Idk why anyone would even buy from this asshat
>but from this other asshat instead
Based af. How about just waiting for a proper product to be released.

>>5640613
Because to fit dreamcast games on a burnt CD they downsample all the audio and video. They sound like complete shit.

>not getting the chinese knockoff gdemu

pirates wins again.

>>5640535
wow what a fuckstick
hope it gets cloned and the timebomb removed

>>5640756
because
1) CF is basically obsolete now, outside of a few people that still use them in older digital SLR cameras
2) CF is completely unwieldy and you can quite easily accidentally bend the pins on the connector port
3) Every modern computer has a USB port and most have a built in SD reader.

Also, why the fuck would you want to wire the card directly to the board?

>>5640756
No. What kind of mental disorder do you have that makes you think something has better compatibility because it's "wired directly to the board". People are mucking around with this stuff exactly because wiring a CF directly to the board has shit compatibility.

>>5640829
Only a few games, mostly the ones that use more than 1 disc

>>5640907
Well you can wire the cable directly to the dreamcast. You don't need to buy an adapter board. You're not wiring the cf card directly to the board, only a cable.

And like I said, sd to cf adapters exist.

>>5640756
It's easier to fuck up a cf card solution than you think. By default they're PCMCIA devices and have to be signaled correctly to go into IDE mode, and even then they have several quirks IDE doesn't.

>>5640651
Star Control 2. I'd be playing the PC version, but it started on 3DO. Technically counts!

>>5640950
I don't think you understand that you need an interface device that emulates the GDROM drive, something that reads the stored disc images and sends specific segments of data to the processing components of the Dreamcast. You can't just wire a storage device to the mainboard and expect the console to be able to just magically pull the specific bits of data it needs from it.

>>5640989
I saw some one wire an IDE hard drive to the dream cast once and it worked. I don't remember the details of the mod though.

>>5640971
>Star Control 2 released 1992 for PC
>3do released 1993
>it started on 3DO
Wot?

>>5640990
You would still need something in between to handle the GDROM calls and access the images. Using might streamline a part of the process but at this point the negatives are going to outweigh the convenience of using a newer standard considerably. CF makes sense in an ancient PC, but not here.

>>5640535
This is so wrong, you fell for an ignorant youtuber. Something got corrupted, not "expired firmware" like you say. That is the default message if something fucks up. Think of it like reformatting a corrupted usb drive.

>>5640535
Did mnemo cryptographically sign the firmware? If so, what validates the signature?

Chances are you can hook up an IC clip to the flash and dump the flash with flashrom. Stop creating drama and just take control yourself. Don't be a noob.

>>5641123
Not everyone can do that. Nonetheless, why would someone put in a kill timer in their product? Who would ever buy it once that gets out? Or are they just banking on the first wave of orders to make a profit?

>>5641165
These have been sold for a while, not exactly a first wave.

>>5640686
It's pretty simple to understand if you're familiar with both products - GDEmu guy is completely fucking incompetent. He can't remotely meet demand, his sale-style is a complete joke where you have to be waiting at his website at like 3am every 6 months for about 7 GDEmus to go on sale for a few minutes before they're gone, he refuses to hire anyone that might help him, I could go on.

mnemo on the hand is a blatant asshole, people knew that even before this, but DOES sell and ship his product out like a normal seller. On top of that it's also cheaper. It's a 'pick your poison' deal but was an absolute no-brainer for most people considering you can get one and can't get the other 99.9% of the time. This time bomb sounds like a godawful 'feature' but a lot of OP is scaremongering and theoreticals right now, the only thing to do is wait for a bigger picture to be unveiled.

>>5640535
>RetroRGB at it AGAIN
This reads like some dude had a panic attack when he watched a stream and started pulling complete garbage out of his ass, saying "unless I'm mistaken..." over and over to justify his massive leaps in logic. Fucking post literally ends with mmemo saying he'll have an updated firmware with no risk of 'expiry' out next month and the author going "TOO LITTLE TOO LATE FUCK YOU!". This is a hit piece from a reseller, and OP left that part out to try and incite panic. And it worked.

>>5641294
>putting a timebomb on an aftermarket accessory for a 20-year old console at all is in any way okay
Yeah, no. The very fact that mnemo is just now "removing" the time bomb from the firmware means he knows that this stuff is poison and doesn't want to totally kill off his future revenues from bad WoM.

Hardware should be unusable when it physically dies and not a moment sooner. Not even consumer unfriendly megacorps like Apple stoop low enough to time bomb the stuff they sell.

all the more reason to buy chingchong counterfeits and wait for hacked firmware updates

>not buying chink gdemu
Literally the only situation where buying from a chinese seller is the only right option
>works perfectly, no need to ever update the firmware
>fucks over both butthurt gdemu creator and usb gdrom guy

holy autism batman

>>5641360
>Apple
Microsoft's forced obsolescence and forced update strategies would draw the better comparison. The latest version of iOS supports phones going back to the iPhone 5S, a 2013 model. The last version of Android that is officially supported on Samsung's 2013 flagship phone, the Galaxy Note 3, is Lollipop from 2014/2015. Apple also does not force updates on any of their computer or phone operating systems or even perform piracy checks or require activation. Apple likes to lock you into their ecosystem, but they are not practitioners of forced obsolescence like other computing ecosystems. A time bomb from Microsoft or Google would be unlikely, to anyone familiar with either. A time bomb from Apple would be completely unthinkable, to anyone familiar with Apple.

>>5641165
If you are soldering or taking apart a console, even with guides, it's not unreasonable for that person to buy a cable and follow guides on how to dump the ROM. Despite that, you would only need one person in the community to do that and release a "fixed" ROM. (It sounds like this piece of hardware can receive firmware updates).

>Suicide Batterys are back
Guy just being true to Sega history of hardware in arcadia. Cucked though. I bet he transex.

>>5641427
Apple pushes updates that slow your phone down.

Apple locks down their os and chips to not operate when replaced. Like if your screen breaks and you replace it with a working one, it doesnt work in the new situation.

>>5641557
>Apple pushes updates that slow your phone down.
They throttle performance along battery life curves by default to maintain a minimum battery life per charge threshold. When people complained about performance without understanding that, they provided a UI to expose the OS's battery health gauge they had been using and added a user toggle the setting. They also lowered the price of replacement batteries. When you have a fresh battery (not a new phone), the throttle doesn't engage. It was only ever enabled for old batteries, but everyone who complained about performance throttling ignored that part.

>screen breaks and you replace it with a working one
No, only if you replace it with a non-Apple one. I did say they liked locking you into their ecosystem, which includes repairs and authorized replacement parts. But not timebombs or forced obsolescence.

>>5641623
it was proven that taking 2 iphones and swaping their screens resulted in lock out.
Apple could not deny the evidence and was forced to put out an update that allowed screen swaps.

>>5641623
https://youtu.be/FeUBdMU2qA0

>screen works, everything is fine. Even if it's a refurbished apple screen.its just not the original one. Apple says 'no'

They arent saints
They arent even commendable in any way. Get apples sick out of your mouth. It's a corporation, they dont love you.

>>5640651
>the best version of the worst game in the series

>>5641623
>>5641427
imagine being this retarded

>>5641640
>>5641650
Yeesh, that was bad about the screens. A lot worse than I'd last heard, which was that even if the screen repair wasn't performed by Apple themselves that an OEM screen swap would work. (I'm an Android user and have never had to go through any Apple hardware replacement process.)

Everything else I said was true though, about MS, Google, Samsung, and Apple. This was a bad revelation but changes nothing about those.

Why do they have to gain from this? It's not like they charge for updates.

>>5641101
theres a whole write up about it with the guy admitting the time bomb is there and he will eventually remove it. some anon posted it a in this thread

>>5641721
From what I'm reading mnemo admitted the 'expiry code' was put there to do counteract clone devices. It wasn't intended as a 'time bomb', that's a bit of a leap, it's there to force the end-user into performing a firmware update. You can't update the firmware at all on clone devices, so this fucks them over...at least in theory, from the sounds of it the clone devices makers got wise to it and it doesn't actually affect them at all.

This is really shitty on mnemo's part but nothing new in vidya, DRM basically always fucks over the actual customer before it gets anywhere near the pirates, in this case the clone buyers I suppose. RetroRGB are using this opportunity to scaremonger and sensationalize the whole situation far beyond what it actually is though, much like when flashcarts were 'guaranteed to fry your console' last year. This will be solved by owners dropping a file on their SD card, something everyone with one of these has done before, and we'll never hear of it again. It's not that big of a deal.

What good is this for? Can't you just download an emulator anyway and play with a better controller?

>>5641449
>if you don't know what you're talking about talk about it

>>5641623
>i'm talking out of my ass

>>5641792
I had bad info on the screen issue but the rest is all true. You can pretend it's false if you have the feelings-dictate-truth intellect of a tranny or something.

>>5641767
Wait, has USB-GDROM been cloned?

I came to the conclusion that this whole thing was a preventative measure in case that ever happened after seeing the GDEMU guy getting screwed over so hard. The USB-GDROMs all have a manufacturing date so it wouldn't be hard to blacklist certain batches so the unlock updates wouldn't work.

I honestly don't get the animosity towards the GDEMU guy. I bought one from him two years ago and it was a simple enough process. Just follow the blog and he posts an announcement about a week in advance, then just order on the right day.

mnemo on the other hand has a history of antagonizing or trying to screw people over, yet he doesn't get the same hate.

>>5641816
I've read about a chinese clone in the wild but just from some people on twitter and some forums, can't see it up on any of the usual places yet. And yeah, that's exactly what this is. Since the GDEMU clone and most clones in general are locked to their original firmware this is a countermeasure.

>>5640651
Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Serrated Scalpel for some snazzy actor closeups and voice acting.

>>5640780
PSX was superior due to the video clips.

>>5641905
PSX is useless if the hard drive dies.

>>5640535
Thank to god i bought an aliexpress GDEMU for less than 50 eurocucks!

>>5640580
>Lawsuit when?
>in kazakhstan or wherever
lol

>>5641816
>Wait, has USB-GDROM been cloned?
no, because it's using an original part of a dreamcast.
no point in cloning it.
especially now that the gdemu-clone exists.

Haven't used my usbgdrom in about a year. Will it be bricked when I turn it on after getting home from work today?

>>5641857
GDEMU clones actually update fine.

>>5640817
>>5641282
Sorry I should have been more clear, I bought a Chinese clone GDEMU. Not a real one. I don't have the patience for that shit.

>>5642431
lol, I won't force feed you videos but you can go find plenty of cases where the pcb isn't even connected on the upstream of the rom. Let alone all the videos of different rom chips or people bricking them.

They only "update fine" if you could patch the update for the rom chip changes, and if your pcb is properly connected.

>>5641623
>brand whores really are this stupid
holy fuck kid get the fuck outta here

>>5641816
>I honestly don't get the animosity towards the GDEMU guy.
>Just jump through all these ridiculous hoops to buy a device that could easily be produced in large quantities at way lower prices but isn't because the maker of it is literally autistic
You'd have to be just as autistic as him to appreciate his business practices.

>>5640535
so just buy one of the clones of the SD card one from ali.

problem solved.

>>5641905
The Windows 95 version is by far the best not even close. High resolution mode and double the framerate.

>>5642445
t. if it has a brand on it, I don't want to understand it

>>5641790
>emulators
>not even original controllers

Ultimate pleb.

>>5640879
I want to get one of these but I’ll probably just get another Dreamcast and one of those things that moves the SD card slot to the top of the drive.

>>5640584
good bait

>>5640619
>Emulation master race not affected
^this

>>5641801
Nah. You were bullshitting about the battery as well. Cool projecting there sport.

TPToday at 9:36 PM
That's messed up

EdToday at 9:46 PM
Dude there's a Virtual Boy Emulator for VR headsets.

>>5642298
>no point in cloning it.
Before GDEMU was cloned people were favoring USB-GDROM not just because of availability but because USB HDDs were and still are shitloads cheaper than high capacity SD cards.

>no, because it's using an original part of a dreamcast.
Based on what, retard?

>>5644594
>>no, because it's using an original part of a dreamcast.
>Based on what, retard?
http://www.3do-renovation.ru/usbgd4free.htm

I'm looking forward to your apology.

>>5640879
I have one of these and now i'm paranoid that since they are perfect clones it will have the same problem.

>>5644687
He wasn't scavenging parts from dreamcasts all this time though. I wonder if this is the same part the whole SAG drama was about?

Sorry for calling you a retard though. Being polite is always better than being right.

Does it come with a firmware update tool? Maybe someone can try disassembling and patching the firmware.

>>5644712
Complete shot in the dark, maybe send the makers an email and ask if they're using their own fw? OTOH, I guess that's probably nothing a maker of knockoff piracy hw would reply to I guess.

>>5640684
>the only consoles that won't emulate at all are Jag and Xbox
>what is pheonix
>what is CXBX reloaded

>>5643128
Except no anon, it's exactly what happened. I may not be an iPhone user but I've had to support many of them in my family and at work. I am emotion-free and brand-agnostic when it comes to technology. Ask yourself if you can say the same thing.

>>5646636
What's exactly what happened? Apple pushed updates that slowed down phones? Yes, that's what I said. So did the evidence. You're a fact-free bullshit-loving child. I ask my self if I'm any of those things and the answer is no.

>>5645209
How many games work on them?

>>5646732
t. decides how much of a brainlet he wants to be based on the logo on the device

>>5647004
>he called my bullshit better project

>>5647116
I literally can't stop ducking apples sick because they are so much better than everyone else. Even when its shown to me they are just as shitty as everyone else if not worse

>>5640603
>>>/v/