/vr/ - Retro Games

I have never been angrier about beating a game. First it shits all over canon, then it gives you the most asinine final boss of all time, then it expects you to start a NG+ to see alternate endings featuring your worthless party members with their ugly clothes and retarded accents.

I honestly hate it. CC is absolutely contemptible and everyone involved in it should be kicked in the sack.

>>5632678
i absolutely loved chrono cross. my only beef was i wish it had fewer characters and did a better job of fleshing them out.

>>5632678
I like Chrono Trigger more, but Cross is great. I'm a fan of games that give you tons of characters to collect, so I loved that aspect. Also, the art and music is great. I really like the story too, though I can understand how some people were disappointed.

>>5632678
The combat absolutely fucking sucks and post-Viper Manor feels like a fever dream and a 12 year old's edgy CT fanfic at the same time.

>>5632678
A mess of a story with no depth to the characters. Also it has one of the worst battle themes in JRPG history. The frame rate is all over the place too.

They literally used an accent generator to generate different dialects for the characters.

style over substance

>>5632678
>but I'm actually really liking this one so far.
Fucking based
Chrono Trigger is pretty good in my opinion but I like Cross way more and Cross in general is for true patricians.

>>5632678
Story being absolutely bonkers and the supporting cast being relegated to window dressing aside, it's pretty great

>>5632837
I wish they fights and battles were as well paced as Chrono Trigger. Transitions to a separate battle screen, having to build up meter to use spells, and of your strongest spells take forever thanks to the psx era over-the-top magic animations. All while listening to that ear raping battle theme.

I liked it a lot back then when I played it for the first time.

I finished it and got a few more extra endings. Then I got bored.

I tried replaying it a few times, but it's really fucking slow.

Plus I want to put 2 bullets on Kid's head every single time I see her dialogue box.


Other than that, I'd say it's pretty good. It has some really interesting and genocidal moments.

Though as a Sequel of Trigger, it's a mushroom overdose rather than a planned sequel.

>>5632678
Would probably be a better game if it didn't have to pretend to be directly related to Trigger. Also the battle system might have a couple layers to it but every single person I've talked to about this game has basically said they hated the battles by the halfway point. I know I did.

>>5633342
It doesn't help that each dungeon has exactly two enemy formations that it makes you fight thirty times each.

>>5633342
>every single person I've talked to about this game has basically said they hated the battles by the halfway point. I know I did.
You name any RPG and I guarantee most people get sick of random battles by the halfway point. Even shit like Tales of Symphonia and Valkyrie Profile which had interesting combat is just "PLEASE MAKE IT STOP" after the 50,000th screen transition.

>>5634993
Oh definitely, and it's always especially bad for games from Cross' era where it seems like every little battle animation takes 10x longer than needed. But when I say "hated" I mean it really feels like they hate it and aren't just annoyed or tired or sick of it. The music probably helps give it that extra level.

>>5634993
No other rpg makes it mandatory to use cutscene-based attacks for even the shortest random battles, it's an absolutely horrible system

>jab jab jab fierce
>"Luminaire"
>go make a cup of tea
>jab jab jab fierce "Luminaire" again

>>5632703
>I have never been angrier about beating a game. First it shits all over canon

>gets angry at things she's too dumb to understand

Classic Trigtards.

>>5632703
This is how I feel. Fuck the fight mechanics too. Never had there been a more useless gimmick than the three shells (ovals). And the double/triple techs were fucking weak.

>>5633342
I for one didn't.

>>5635876
>he doesn't know how to use the three shells

>>5635860
>CC fan
>hates Chrono Trigger

Checks out

>>5635981
Chrono Cross fans like Chrono Trigger,

But lots of Chrono Trigger fans act like screaming autists over Chrono Cross for some reason.

>>5635981
>Trigger fanboys identify as the game itself

>>5632678
Took me 20 years to finally sit down and play this game. It wasn't anything like the other JRPGs I've played over the years and it took me a while to get used to the battle system but overall it was a decent game I think with great music, just not a good sequel.

>>5635921
It's not about 'knowing' how to use them because the game literally has a tutorial battle dedicated to it early on to them, its about how you can beat the whole game without ever having to think about it because of how pointless it is outside of wanting to use a summon.

>>5632678
The music is fantastic.

I felt that the plot is hot garbage that has to retcon or outright lie about how things happen in it and Trigger to the point of feeling like a Reptite/Dragons/whatever the fuck you want to call them Apologist story that takes every moment it can to talk about how much humanity sucks and you as the player can't really go against this, which is a pisser given that one theme it half-assed was fighting fate.

But I digress. One of the biggest problems for me though is that there are too many fucking characters. With just a quarter or even a third of them, you'd actually have more time to promote characterization and growth with the main cast but hardly anybody but the Viper Manor crew, some tangential characters and Kid have any kind of characterization that still doesn't amount to much in the long run.

And furthermore, it's a fucking pisser with all these characters, that Serge's presence in the party mandates he be around leaving you with only two slots to fill. Only three characters have the capacity to steal shit--one of whom is Kid, the second is an optional character, and the third is the pirate, so the game forces you to use certain characters egregiously especially if you want to make the final tier of gear.

>>5632678
Even if it wasn't attached to CT I wouldn't like it because the gameplay fucking sucks and the story is retarded.

>>5632751
I don't know what they were thinking when they added all those characters. I couldn't care less about most of them.

>>5632678
I played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross both at their releases. I liked Cross more.

The battle system is nice, and regular encounters really shouldn't be dragging on for you, considering that you can avoid most normal encounters and run from literally every encounter in the game. Trying to grind out those mini bonuses between level ups? Just stick to normal attacks rather than using elements and the battles will be over in no time due to the shorter animations.

>>5635847
It's not mandatory, though. You can just use normal attacks and not use elements. In fact, you can do something like
>fierce fierce switch characters fierce fierce switch characters.
This makes normal encounters really fast, and can actually be useful in some boss encounters, since it ensures you'll have stamina and grid to use support elements when needed.

Good game that commits the henous crime of being a sequel to one of the most overrated JRPGs of all time

I haven't played either Chrono game, but someone showed me the intro song to Chrono Cross and I fucking love it. Tempted to play through Trigger and possibly pick up Cross. It's hard because I really dislike JRPGs.

I loved it at release and still do.

I don't get what it is with people and insisting this game needed a smaller roster, part of the fun is the large roster and the amount of party variations you can have throughout a single and many playthroughs.

If that's not a draw for you, this won't be your sort of game. Changing things up and building new parties is one of its key features, not every JRPG needs to be character-focused.

>>5632678
Theonly things I liked about trigger was the music and graphics. Everything else was average. Cross was better in every way. Loved the spooky atmosphere throughout the game (for me anyway). Was cool being a dead boy from years ago trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

>>5635847
Sounds like the type of player who summons GFs in every single fight in FF8 then complains about the game taking too long.

>game gives you a huge roster of characters to try
>game has multiple endings some encouraging multiple playthroughs
>most people who play it are literally too fucking stupid to understand that these two concepts work together
Why does the average gamer not have two brain cells to rub together? Why are they all so fucking dumb?

>>5639020
>game has zero characters you'd actually want to use
>game has unskippable infodumps that make you never want to replay the game and a plot so stupid you don't care what alternate endings it might have

I could never get into Chrono Cross. Everything about it feels so awful compared to Chrono Trigger. No experience-based leveling up system makes me anxious, the battle system that forces you to balance an abstract elemental field is nowhere near as satisfying as the simple battle system where you just have fun learning and using dual and triple techs. Whoever was it who decided that your first potential party member should be a giant pink talking dog should've been shot. And boy oh boy, those cuboid texture-melting compression artifacts ridden 13 fps running PSone graphics sure didn't age well. At least I never got to the part where it apparently shits all over Trigger's story because I never had any patience to play it for more than 4 hours.

>>5639032
Only good character in Cross is the fat bunnygirl.

>>5639035
>No experience-based leveling up system makes me anxious

Why? You are always at the right level and you never have to grind for shit.

>>5638964
>It's hard because I really dislike JRPGs.
Don't worry, Trigger is tailor made for people who dislike JRPGs.
>>5639020
>Why are they all so fucking dumb?
It's not a matter of being fucking dumb, rather, it's a matter of having pedestrian tastes, which Cross doesn't cater to.
It's not really a complex game and unfortunately, it still commits the same exact mistakes as Trigger when it comes to the gameplay side, but as far as narrative goes, it's a pretty solid game and on a whole other level than Trigger in all respects infodumps aside, and I don't really like Cross either, I'd rather play the games it tries to steal ideas from.

You just have to accept that some people are simply cursed with horrible taste, and while there's some honest chaps out there who aren't bothered by it and will honestly strive for some decent agreement and discussion on what they like and don't like, there's ten times the frothing idiots who screech about anything that doesn't conform to their abysmal standards.

>>5632678
The true test for you will be after beating the game. You will either become a true patrician and appreciate the story or a brainlet who didn't get it and calls it trash like many we can see here now.

>>5639050
It puts people on edge because they're worried they'll have to actually play the game instead of grinding for an hour whenever they find a battle too hard. The game is literally like "oh you guys don't like grinding? fine, now you can't grind" and retards who cried about grinding shut up and go "B-B-B-BUT WHAT IF I CAN'T WIN A FIGHT???"

>>5635990
This.
I like both but triggerniggers are the worst.

>>5633304
>Plus I want to put 2 bullets on Kid's head every single time I see her dialogue box.
This is how I know you're bad person.

>>5639032
Fucking pleb.

Friendly reminder that Chrono Cross has a metascore of 94, which beats Chrono Trigger AND Final Fantasy VII which are both tied at 92.

>>5632678
>chrono trigger is merely okay
>one of the top 5 rpgs ever
>just okay
getting real tired of these contrarian click-bait memes

>>5639278
>muh waifu

kys you fucking virgin.

>>5639032
>unskippable
he didn't know the FF button on new game+

>>5639043
>fat

>>5639980
Not about waifu, you're just a literal moron. How many burgers have you had this week?

>>5639980
PSX1-ROM-senpai is displeased at your mistreatment of this waifu. Please desist.

>>5639146
>"hello I'd like to buy a burger"
>"here's a tofu lettuce wrap plus an essay on why meat is murder"
>"this fails to meet the qualifications of a decent burger in every conceivable way, in fact I can't understand why you would advertise yourselves as an establishment that sells burgers if you hate burgers so much"
>"if you were a true patrician you'd appreciate it"

>>5640158
What fine establishment was the burger from?

>>5639676
>Dude you can only like popular things XDDD

>>5640609
shut up faggit

>>5640158
>*Walk into Chronoverse by Zeal story plot writer Masato Kato*
>"Hello, I'd like to have Chrono Trigger 2: I Did It For The Nookie Bugaloo where Crono and the gang go on another wacky adventure meeting and doing the same thing while fighting the evil cult of Lavos planning his resurrection plus sexy lizard babes please
>"Sorry sir this game is rated 12+ and not for brainlets"

>>5640657
Trigger is just a baby tier Jrpg and is pretty basic (not that cross is that much better)

>>5632678
One of the biggest letdown I ever had in gaming.

>>5632987 has the right idea.

>>5640691
>Sorry sir this game is rated 12+ and not for brainlets

A mature game for mature gamers such as yourself?

>>5638347
yeah the game could've worked with half the characters. then used the time gained to give better backstories etc for the characters they kept. ah well.

>>5640158
>high effort food analogy
lmao

>>5642831
The best part is that the game assumes you care about Kid for all of its story moments but it is literally possible to play the entire game shunning her and reviling every time she opens her STREWTH AHM GONNA KICK YER ARSE OY OY OY VEGEMITE mouth and not even have her join the party until the final dungeon.

>>5632703
it's actually an 8/10 for me because the pacing, world and freedom of disc 1 are great and i really enjoy a lot of the characters and designs. the mechanics could be better [in fact they have been done better in xenogears] but the game just made me feel good.

now disc 2, i agree with you on, absolute disaster and some of the worst writing square has ever produced. at least it was over quickly and i could just move onto the next game in my backlog.

anyways, it's a shame the execution is so poor and that the game feels unfinished [you can say this for a couple 5th gen square games - while they aren't bad, they clearly don't meet the full vision the developers had for them].

i could talk all day about what things the game have done better, though i will say the most disappointing part was lynx because he's one of square's better villains, he's not only threatening and evil, but genuinely cunning, and the decision to make him something other than a long haired prettyboy paid off. that said, the copout of him being wazuki is just so so awful, much worse than the copouts with kid and harle. was really hoping for him to be his own character and that they'd play up his backstory in the context of human and demi human relations [or lack thereof] because there was a lot of potential there. despite all the bad things i can say about CC though i can't bring myself to hate it, it's >comfy as all hell and i really enjoyed the journey until i got to the destination.

>>5632678
I love it, but it's more of an "anthology entry" than a sequel to CT. People who don't know this going in are disappointed.

>>5643819
>[you can say this for a couple 5th gen square games - while they aren't bad, they clearly don't meet the full vision the developers had for them].
Yep, all of JRPGs followed this arc:
>dominate gaming (NES/SNES)
>golden era (early PS1)
>struggle to produce full games (later PS1)
>drastically downscaled scale and scope (PS2)
>dead

Suikoden 1-3 are the only JRPGs with good writing

>>5643879
What did you think about Mother 3?

>>5643810
Disc 2, man. Any cool set up just thrown away for the writing to just swoop back in and start slamming you over the head with the subtlety of a captain planet episode while screeching HUMANS BAD POLLUTING BAD HUMANS BAD

>>5643905
I haven't played Mother series. I'm too old for JRPGs now at 30.

I promised myself to playthrough it before the end of the year.

When I was a preteen, I wanted to be Serge just for the sake of having a chance to bone Kid. I even stared at images of her in the manual and images of her action figure advertisement and fantasized about filling her up with my gravy. I am serious.

I am sure I am not the only one.

>>5643939
You were not the only teenager that fantasied about an attractive blond girl in revealing clothing

>>5635832
You haven't played long until Legend of Legaia.