/vr/ - Retro Games

Just enjoy the console, man.
Think of it as the yellow pages of a book. It doesn't make it any less good.
Let the Saturn wear her yellow plastic with pride.

1. Get a transparent plastic tub a little bit bigger than the console.
2. Remove console case & place in tub
3. Buy a bottle of hydrogen peroxide, pour entire bottle in tub.
4. Fill the rest of the tub with water until case is completely submerged
5. Leave the tub out in the sun all day, or under a UV light if you've got one.

A good 10 hours of exposure should do the trick. We're getting into summertime so now's the perfect time to do it if you go down the natural light route.

>>5627243
ew dude. The physical aesthetics of the Saturn's design makes a lovely piece of living room decore but not when it looks like it's been submerged in goat piss for 48 hours. C'mon dude, don't be nasty.

>>5627283
Thank you, anon.

>>5627287
>ovely piece of living room decore
Don't be a poser hipster. Get a Saturn to play games on it, not to use it as a deco faggy "i'm so quirky and retro" accessory for your shitty living room.
Also you fucked up because you got the white saturn, which looks like a fucking birthday cake with its pink button. Should have gotten the US black model, back in 1995 when it came out.

>>5627292
He's telling you to submerge the console in a tub of water and hydrogen peroxide. That's going to kill your console.

>>5627307
>reading comprehension

I also told him to remove the case first, ya dink. It's just the case you submerge.

>>5627307
Are you mental? You remove the guts THEN submerge the shell only. Plus at least he posted recommendation. Got any other tip or ideas?

>>5627234
The hydrogen peroxide gel worked for me.
The SNES on the right was more yellow than the other one. Done Dreamcasts and a Japanese Saturn doing using it.
>Got some of it.
>Took the system apart.
>Removed anything electrical.
>Put some paper down
>Spread it all over, with a unused paintbrush
>Left on window ledge during the day
>Wait till it gets nearly dry and add another layer.
>Repeat till its the right colour

You might want to get some rubber gloves as ive been told this stuff stings

>>5627369
It doesn't effect the paint from the printed logos?
>>5627297
It's because I fully appreciate a game in every aspect, you tasteless chimp. Your ignorant post made me laugh though.

I'm considering using the discolouration as a base for a custom design, like the background for this image. Spray in some darker lines in this pattern, hydrogen peroxide off the areas away from the lines to form gradients.

Pure black and white for the buttons/cart slot, like Azel.

>>5627770
Good luck

It's just the plastic getting old its not actually a stain.

>>5627234
You need a magic missle!

>>5627813
obviously, you idiot.

>>5627328
>>5627315
Yeah, that's gonna fuck up the plastic. Last time I tried something chemistry -related I found on 4chan they needed to call an ambulance. Fuck you.

>>5627828
What the fuck do you think you're doing to it by removing the yellow. You're chemically altering via redox reaction with hydrogen peroxide

>>5627838
I'm not a smart man, but I know shitty trollpost when I see one - I don't want to fuck up my consoles and I find it shitty that you're trying to spread some disinfo with buzzwords to make people ruin their consoles.

>tfw snes isn't yellow
NO PEE PEE, JUST POO POO

>>5627840
>I'm not a smart man

obviously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU7vXMezW_I

>>5627840
You are absolutely retarded. Genuinely, hopelessly retarded. Anyway, if you want proof just look at some restoration videos from LGR/8bit guy/retromancave or whoever. It's a tried and true method.

>>5627853
>>5627856

I don't even know why I bother with /vr/ anymore. It's like it's /b/ 3.0 where people think it's funny that they get kids to make mustard gas or microwave their iphones. There used to be good discussions about games here, but now it has just devolved into "watch this troll video it totally works bro!"

>>5627864
If I'm being trolled you've actually succeeded, well done. I didn't even link you a video! I just mentioned 3 channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers that have used this method for YEARS.

>>5627865
> I didn't even link you a video! I just mentioned 3 channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers that have used this method for YEARS.
Yeah, as if people can't do cuts and camera tricks to fool people. All you have is their word. They can be resellers all I know trying autistically bump up their own stock by making people ruin their own consoles. It doesn't take that much to buy some social media subscribers from china, anyway.

ITT: Anons long-form describe an incomplete and wasteful version of the public domain Retr0bright process just so they can sound like the originator of the process

https://www.retr0bright.com/

>>5627874
Ok, now you can fuck off. Did you also know that that bottled water is full of dihydrogen monoxide?

>>5627234
Honestly, try using a headlight restraion kit on it. Onee of the ones with different gradients of sand paper.

It might sound nutty, but that shit works wonders on plastic hesdlights, leaves them looking like new, and literally just sands off the layers of discoloration, then buffs everything.

Obviously, the plastic on any console is very different than the plastic in a headlight, but the basic idea would apply.

Also, considder trying toothpaste. It's aa trick that also works wonders on headlights.

Last idea from.me is to use a glass oven top cleaner. Preferably one without extra flakes of abbrasive added 8n. I have used that shit to successfully resurface PS1 games. And it's a nice, mild abbrasive. So worth a try.

There's retr0bright, which an anon above has already suggested. As for keeping it non-yellow, sometimes it is inevitable even if you keep it somewhere out of sunlight, the plastic will still react with the oxygen in the air. Yellowed plastic will also be brittle; sadly retr0bright does not fix this.

>>5627770
Sounds interesting. I kinda fucked up when I deyellowed my SNES by using that peroxide shampoo method as detailed in >>5627853
The distribution, so to speak, was uneven so I have blotched areas that turned out more whitened than others, Now my point is some artistic-minded person who knows what they're doing might be able to take advantage of that - perhaps get stuff like tie-dye effects.

>>5627828
>Last time I tried something chemistry -related I found on 4chan they needed to call an ambulance
Lmfao

>>5627905
This is some of the worst advice anyone could follow. It's physically destructive and even changes the tangible texture of the hardware.

If it bothers you OP, go out and buy one that isn't yellowed.

>>5628057
>as if it's that easy.

>>5627234
>Is there a way to undo yellowing?

Yes, by consoles which are coloured black.

>>5627283
You forget the part that in 1 year, the console will go back to yellow, and the plastic gets more brittle since you essentially dissolved a layer of it from the top.

>>5627297
To be fair that white Saturn is one of the most aesthetic systems

>>5627856
>>5627838
The guy does have a point. 4chan isn't the place where you want to seek chemistry related advice.

>>5628094
>you essentially dissolved a layer of it from the top.
Nigga you stupid.

Basically, the plastic they used in these things was EXTREMELY flammable and needed something called bromide mixed in to stop it from catching on fire any time the circuitry inside got too hot. Unfortunately at the time, they didn't realize that the mixture of bromide and plastic would start to un-bond eventually and turn the plastic an ugly yellow color. A mixture of hydrogen peroxide and UV light causes a chemical reaction that temporarily re-bonds the bromide to the plastic and gets rid of the nasty coloring. It doesn't last forever, but you're not "dissolving a layer from the top".

>>5627234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Rz-KnTt2w

>>5627234
Watch the 8 bit guy, he does it the 'submerge in peroxide and leave in the sun' thing obsessively.

He trys different strengths and times in the sun ect and posts results, i think his favored method now is to use a peroxide cream then wraps it in cellophane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDY

>inb4 /vr/ has some problem wth the 8bitguy

I cant imagine how anyone could, his channel is the fucking comfiest i know.

>>5627956
That's actually a really helpful idea, thanks anon. I was roughly thinking of using absorbent materials to selectively soak and de-yellow it, but an uneven shampoo application would be way more reliable and easy to set up.

>>5628158
Yeah absolutely this video, he compares several different techniques.

You can see the results in his restoration videos too as more or less everything he restores is pissified to some degree.

>>5627234
just embrace it

>>5627243
have you ever seen a white Saturn?
If yours looks like piss then why wouldn't you at least try to clean it up?

>>5628204
Don't even bother, anon. Half of /vr/ consist of these pathetic faggot horders that get bitched at by mommy for having poor hygiene.

it's an opportunity to start painting

>>5627234
I embrace the yellowing. In fact I looked for the yellowest PC case for my 486 build.

>>5628515
Not everyone is Picasso

>>5628117
That's because most of you retards never actually learned anything from your fucking 7th grade physics and chemistry classes. You paid fuck all attention and are somehow mesmerized and fearful of some of the most basic physical and chemical principles

retrobrite the white plastic, then give it a coat of clear matte to prevent further (and faster) yellowing

>>5627416
I have yet to run into that problem.
>>5627956
Thats why you brush it on.

>>5628094
As far as I know it's not like that. I've researched it for LEGO.

The brittleness is natural. It won't come back. It's probably already brittle.

There's no bromite in these plastics. It's disputed even among LEGO, apparently they stopped the bromite since the beginning of 80's.

What is happening is that the plastics are coming back to their natural state, a chemical reaction is happening, because of heat and UV.

The peroxide will unbound the outer layer of oxygen, making the plastic return to it's natural condition, but polymer bonds will still be all "opened" to a new oxidation.

So you need to raise the ABS plastic to its glass transition temperature with an air oven, that wouldn't melt the plastic, and would make the polymers come back to their original characteristics. I believe that happens around 95º C with plastics.

It's risk, though.

I'm not sure if it deforms the plastic a little bit or not. Theoretically it shouldn't, you're not melting it, but I think it's possible for it to get distorted a little bit.

So, you'd need to remove the outer oxidation and then put it in a air oven into the glass temperature of the plastic and hope for it not to distort.

I want to test it.

I want to buy some old LEGO sets, but most are yellowed, it's risk, but if it works with LEGO it'll work with anything, since LEGO are extremely precise.

I'll post the source in the next post.

>>5628665
https://medium.com/@pueojit/a-look-into-the-yellowing-and-deyellowing-of-abs-plastics-db14b646e0ad

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/7167-brick-de-yellowing-techniques/

https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/74618/what-makes-abs-plastic-turn-yellow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGagdufGvGM

https://community.brickpicker.com/blog/community-lego-blogs/hydrogen-peroxide-solution-to-restoring-old-lego-r17317/

https://www.quora.com/What-is-happening-in-terms-of-a-chemical-process-when-hydrogen-peroxide-is-used-to-restore-discoloured-Lego

>>5627243
that's like my mother. when she started going grey, she refused to dye it saying that she earned every silver strand.

>>5627234
Would removing the innards and soaking the casing in liquid bleach help? What about scrubbin with powdered bleach? The powdered bleach works for my enameled pots and pans.

>>5627416
>It doesn't effect the paint from the printed logos?
Not that anon, but as far as my research goes, yes, it does.

It'll remove the printed parts. The longer you leave it, the more it'll remove the printed parts.

People say it discolor colored pieces too, if left for too long.

>>5627915
That seems to be a clean solution, but I read it's just hydrogen peroxide too.

I read that bleach works too, but it's too dangerous and will also remove the printed parts very fast.

Hydrogen Peroxide IS DANGEROUS. Specially at higher concentrations.

Don't let it fall on your eyes. Don't let it fall on your hands.

>>5627905
That works but your polishing the surface, thus, damaging it.

>>5628130
>bromide
That's disputed. Apparently it was Nintendo spreading misinformation, read the Medium article that I posted.

>>5627234
I read that as PissStation

>>5628681
get hair salon bleach. Much less abrasive and just as effective.

>>5627234

Just don‘t smoke you cancerous faggot if you don‘t like your shit getting yellow.

>>5628684
I see. Nice.

From what I researched the top choice would be Hydrogen Peroxide enhanced by a peroxide bleaching like TEAD, as read here: https://medium.com/@pueojit/a-look-into-the-yellowing-and-deyellowing-of-abs-plastics-db14b646e0ad

Then there's the plastic degradation itself, which is dealt by raising it to its glass temperature.

The degradation processo will start all over again though.

But it'll let it last for a good 20+ years before having to do that again.

I want to test it and post the results, but I need a good air over.

>>5628693
UV light is the culprit, not nicotine deposits.

>>5628693
I only vape you stupid fuck

>>5628684
>>5628695
Also, I forgot to say. Yes, the safer option is the best, it may not be as effective, but be careful with these things.

From what I read, Hydrogen Peroxide becomes simple water after the process, so you can through it away on the sink.

But watch out. Don't let this stuff fall on hands and specially eyes.

I know a girl that almost went blind because she let bleach spill on her eyes.

>>5627283
Don't bother with sunlight and buy cheap uv led strip.

>>5628705
I believe that would be a better option, because heat degrades the plastics.

>>5628708
heat is the active ingredient, UV light is nigh useless.
put your plastics in a ziplock with a bleaching agent inside, then submerge in a tub of water.
After that put it inside an oven at around 60°C for around 4 hours.

>>5628714
>After that put it inside an oven at around 60°C for around 4 hours.
Not sure if I believe that.

Source?

>>5628714
>After that put it inside an oven at around 60°C for around 4 hours.
Not sure if I believe that.

Source?

Heat the plastic would be good if it reaches its glass temperature.

But mix bleach and hydrogen peroxide... Not sure how dangerous is that. Could be dangerous because of the fumes.

>>5628717
saw it on youtube somewhere, not sure who posted it exactly, maybe 8-bit guy or The Retro Future.
heat garners much better results than sunlight or a UV box, provided you don't go overboard and melt/warp the plastic itself. Hence the 60°C threshold, it should be a tad hotter than the hottest summer day.
Sorry that I can't be assed to dig up the source on that claim, but feel free to try it on some useless doohickey, and see the results for yourself.

>>5628720
Okay, I'll check it out.

I'm afraid about the fumes.

The heat would probably be good for the plastic as long as it reaches the Glass transition temperature because that would fix the polymers inside it.

I'll buy an air oven in the future and I'll experiment with this stuff. I want to buy some old LEGO sets and I want to make sure that they won't be brittle.

>>5628725
ziplock and water ought to negate the fumes outright.

If you're in the States, seek out a Sally Beauty Supply store and get yourself this stuff. Be sure to get the clear variety, a clear liquid. The cream version can lead to streaking.

>>5628758
OH, and get the 40 Volume, not the 20.

>>5628665
>a chemical reaction is happening, because of heat and UV.
This would make it a physical reaction

>>5627234
you be better off buying a replacement case.

>>5628726
>>5628714

Okay, I gave it some thought. If Hydrogen Peroxide decompose into water and oxygen, you'd have a bag FULL of oxygen near a flame source.

Oxygen + Fire = Explosion.

I'm not sure if there's enough Oxygen there to cause an explosion, but I'm afraid to risk it.

I find it very dangerous, since I don't really know how much oxygen is produced. Maybe not enough. Maybe enough.

I'll look for that video now.

>>5627840
>>5627828
top kek. What a fucking moron

>>5628714
>>5628720
>>5628726

WTH is your problem?
My logic is correct. This shit can explode.

There's nothing in both channels, this shit can explode. I'm reporting you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HboqxpNUU94

>>5628842
just pop the ziplock with a toothpick then, I'm simply telling you heat works better than UV light.
put the water on a hotplate outside and carefully measure the temps, an oven lets you control it better.
Also, the recommended heat isn't nearly enough to ignite anything, retard.

>>5628775
he probably meant photo-oxidation

>>5628851
I'm sorry anon. I've found the video you were talking about. You meant no ill will.

https://youtu.be/qZYbchvSUDY?t=663

>>5628851
I'm sorry anon. I've found the video you were talking about. You meant no ill will.

But he didn't let it inside a bag. The oxygen wasn't trapped in anything.

He used a bag in other experiments.

[YouTube] Adventures in Retrobrite - New techniques for restoring yellowed plastic! (embed)

>>5628851
>>5628851
I'm sorry anon. I've found the video you were talking about. You meant no ill will.

But he didn't let it inside a bag. The oxygen wasn't trapped in anything.

He used the ziplock bag in other experiments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDY&feature=youtu.be&t=663

>>5628094
>in 1 year, the console will go back to yellow

Bullshit. It takes at least a decade for any yellowing to return.

>>5628980
he's right, the console will go back to yellow rapidly, usually within a year or two.
Best way to circumvent this is to spray matte clear coat on it

>>5628708
Extreme heat, yeah. A day in the sun won't do any damage.

>>5627234
Yes, use stylish black consoles instead of piss stained grey ones.

>>5628553
>>5629418
In time you will have a clear-coated yellow system that's difficult to bleach again

I should also point out to anyone dismissing the retr0bright process that the major reason it incorporates a gelling agent as an ingredient is to make the mixture uniformly applicable with a paintbrush, which is more efficient/less wasteful/safer to discard than total submersion methods. They don't sell this formulation, it's simply the most effective and practical method found to date regardless of what further analysis has determined since then. Its paint-on application is probably even adaptable to any modifications anyone would make to the original versions of it.

>>5629418
That's just not true though. I treated my SNES 3 years ago and it hasn't reyellowed in the slightest since then.

I watched this video a couple of weeks ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P1OVj0IcqY

Whilst I was aware of retr0bright and the like, it seems its actually possible to get surprisingly good results just through the use of direct sunlight and no chemicals at all. I haven't tested this myself however.

>>5628980
Cool story brolet. In 10 years yu'll be old enough to post here.

>>5627287
>makes a lovely piece of living room decore
faggot

>>5627243
I agree with you. I love my pis-snes. It's not some collector's item some fag bought on ebay to have in their background in a youtube video. It's the console I grew up with and played relentlessly.

>>5627828
So you tried to grow some cool crystals did ya?

>>5630092
That's interesting. Does it become more malleable too?

>>5630092
I think that the sunlight restructures the polymers, so it release the oxygen bonded with the ends of the polymers.

So I think it's a slow way to bring the plastics to the original form, just like when it reached its glass transition state.

But since the yellowing comes back really fast, I think that the sunlight is just, somehow, unbounding the oxygen on the outer layer and not restructuring anything?

So it's probably fixing only the outer layer of the polymers, and not inside.

>>5630807
>>5630092
So I guess the "perfect way" to go is to bring the plastics to its glass transition through an oven/hot water.

And do not use the hydrogen peroxide, because it'll increase the brittleness. Maybe the gel is better, because it won't penetrate the plastic microscopic cracks.

But also, maybe, if you bring it to its glass transition, the cracks will be gone and you can safely use the hydrogen peroxide.

>>5630615
>calls me a faggot
>while his GF is in my living room mirrin my Saturn while selecting a game off my shelf butt-naked.

>>5630893
cringe

>>5630893
kek

>>5630893
the sole fact you think of a video game console as a "living room decore" makes me think you never got a girl in your place

>>5631834
How do you even connect those 2? I think your posting out of anger.

>>5627287
Imagine using consoles for decoration rather than playing games

>>5631885
Okay, I'm imagining it. Now what?

>>5631878
>thinking of video games as "living room decore"
come on dude, I hope you're pranking.
It's not even anger, it's just... come on.

>>5631895
I understand, but like I said in >>5627416. I genuinely play it for games obviously but it's also nice to physically have it present along side anyother electronic hardware in the entertainment section of your house. I've also noticed that most of you /vr/gins aren't actively social enough to care about whether your console is setuped & cleaned enough to seem remotely appealing to guests whenever they may visit your livings.

>>5631895
I understand, but like I said in >>5627416. I genuinely play it for games obviously but it's also nice to physically have it present along side anyother electronic hardware in the entertainment section of your house. I've also noticed that most of you /vr/gins aren't actively social enough to care about whether your console is setuped & cleaned enough to seem remotely appealing to guests whenever they may visit your livings.

>>5631980
>I genuinely play it for games obviously
you're not really making it seem obvious, champ.
>I've also noticed that most of you /vr/gins aren't actively social enough
off to /v/ with that bait, nobody believes you're socially active anyway.
Anyway, yellowed plastic =/= unclean. I wonder if you actually own a white Saturn.
Anyway, people have already replied to you: if it bothers you so much, get a black Saturn. But you should have gotten it back in the 90s instead of jumping the bandwagon now.