/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5610281
Definitely skip Chronicles and maybe even TR3 (the level design can get really bad in this one). TR1 and TR4 are amazing. TR2 is great but i think it has too much shooting against human enemies.

>>5610281
Have fun, I guess? And keep in mind that TR1 while fun as fuck, has aged considerably. I personally prefer it to TR2 - it is a more consistent game - but that's just me. Also TR2 starts rather slow. It gets really good halfway through, but you'll be forgiven if you wish to drop the game before you get to the good stuff. And TR3 is quite difficult - sometimes punishingly so.
As for whether should you bother with TR5 - not really. It's not a bad game per se, you've just seen it already. It's in reality an expansion pack to TR4. It's inoffensive and you can give it a go - but you won't be missing much if you skip it.

>>5610294
What's wrong with the shooting humans thing? Does 2 make Lara out to be a psycho or something?

>>5610305
Not him, but for me it's not that. People you kill are evil mafioso cultists anyway, so fuck them.
It's just the combat in TR was always clunky and not particularly fun. TR1 gets away with it with its enemies being melee oriented or at worst throwing slow moving projectiles at you, that you can easily avoid. And there wasn't that much combat anyway. In TR2 you have masses of enemies with hitscan weapons that can mow Lara down before she locks on them. And they are difficult to avoid because of how tanky Lara's movements are. So 90% of the time you will be losing health no matter what you do.

>>5610281
Tomb Raider 1 really gets my balls a churnin, great game.

>>5610305
>>5610318
Should be mentioned that for the creator, it WAS that, though. The reason the enemies in TR1 aren't human is because they didn't want Lara to look like a murderer.

>>5610281
Play on PC, the level design in 3 is so bullshit you'll pull your hair if you play on PlayStation.

>>5610296
There are expansions to TR1 and TR2 as well - and they are fun, but also something you don't have to play to experience the essence of the game and it's evolution.

Is The Last Revalation good?

>>5610281
Play them on pc in order.
Also Lara is the best girl ever.

Test

>>5611047
It's arguably the best game in the franchise.

>>5611047
Storywise definately. I personally prefer TR1 in terms of atmosphere, but to each it's own. Also, I am one of those guys who put TR3 over TR2, so what do I know.

>>5611159
I agree about the first TR - it's aged, but spend some time getting used to the blockiness, and you’ll find it’s still an amazingly atmospheric game.

The lack of human enemies and combat are really in it’s favour. You get the sense that you're completely alone, exploring lost civilisations, untouched by time.

There are some genuinely scary moments that are created by simple use of space and light - exploring under the sphinx, for example.

The sparse use of sound, too - the short piece of music that plays when you uncover a new area is still hugely evocative, and the ambient sounds in Natla’s Mines make an otherwise dull area terrifying.

Yeah, it looks old and controls a bit stiff, but it's big moments - THAT lost valley bit, approaching Tihocan’s tomb, when the lights go on in Atlantis - make it all worth it. Play it and let us know what you think, OP.

IMHO, the series really declined after TR2. The original soul and atmosphere of the game was completely lost after that. I'm not sure what happened over at Core or Eidos or whatever, but starting with TR3 the franchise got really sloppy and each new sequel was like a disjointed series of ROMhacks. The Lara character also underwent significant changes along the way, having little to no consistency to her origins.

So I would recommend you play through TR1 and 2, then check out the first Crystal Dynamics reboot series (Legend, Anniversay, Underworld) and pretty much stop there. If you still need a fix for classic TR, then also look into some of the official custom levelsets released for personal computers, like Golden Mask and Lost Artifact. Those were actually okay.

But by all means, try the games for yourself and stick with what you like. If you're playing any of them on PS1, it should be easy enough to score Greatest Hits versions with demos of other TR games on them.

>>5611379
Eh, I dunno. I like TR3 and TR4. Quite a lot actually. Sure, some TR3 levels are wonky, but overall it is still a good game. Or it might be my nostalgia talking, with TR3 being the first TR game I've played. Personally, I am not that fond of TR2 - something in this game doesn't mesh, I just can't put a finger on it.
I definately wouldn't recommend skipping TR4 though. That's a rather strong entry into the series, with some great atmosphere.

tits

>>5610665
What's wrong with 3?

>>5610281
beware of the cream churro

>>5613330
Bad level design, stupid save system for the PS1 version.

After the last thread I decided to play through them.

Got through TR1 by myself and it was a lot of fun. I was stuck for a while n a few places because I was looking in the wrong places for a while. Some of the water levels were very claustrophobic.

TR2 felt like a big step up in difficulty. The opera house was the worst for me by far whereas the monastery levels were bit tedious but manageable. I got the impression in the last thread that people didn't seem to like the rig levels but they were probably my favorites. The diving suit is cute af. I didn't really follow the story so I had no idea what was going on with the last few levels, but whatever.

After that I did TR3. I had it years ago but never played it seriously. Got through India and Nevada on my own, but I gave in when I got to the Pacific and used a guide for the rest of the game. I'm probably just a scrub, but I don't think most people could get through London without one. Antarctica was much easier though. The cut-scenes throughout the game made it easy to follow the backstory.

I started TLR, but I was pretty burned out by that point. Got past the training levels but decided to give it a break after that.

So far I'd say TR1 > TR2 > TR3, but they all had fun parts.

One thing I really hate is how dark the games are after the first. Flares also seem to get worse with each iteration. I did think about that in TR1, how you're in some lost tomb and it's practically daylight everywhere but I wasn't complaining.

>>5613353
What is the source of that anyway?

>>5613437
Oh thats a pre-kazaa era animation, something having to do with lara croft and mammary intercourse. A quick search using more explicit wording will surely yield results.

>>5613423
>I didn't really follow the story so I had no idea what was going on with the last few levels, but whatever.
The story for TR2 is... weird. It's needlessly convoluted and simplistic at the same time. It pretty much boils down to "some asshole needs a McGuffin to turn himself into a dragon and take over the world. Lara also wants the McGuffin for shits and giggles. So 80% of the game is spent looking for yet another McGuffin to open the plot door". Also - why an Italian mob? Wouldn't the chinese mob make more sense from a story perspective? I know Core wanted Lara to go to Italy - but italian mobster going after ancient Chinese artifacts seems so random.

>>5613423
I've played the first five games in a month, back in 2015 or 2016. The first game where I _had_ to use a guide was TR3. First time was in the London level. There's a section on the outside where I couldn't figure out where the hell was I supposed to go. It's that part where there's one or two big boxes on the ground, sort of a big alley between 2 buildings. Also the beginning of Antarctica, at that part where you need to go back to the beginning with the snow mobile.

The only thing I didn't like about TR2 was the amount of human enemies. There's just too many, and they're pretty hard to dodge consistently. There's a pretty cool way to dodge fire, but because of the tank controls, you can end up falling to your death: run towards the guy, jump over him and turn around in mid-air. You can kill almost everyone without taking too much damage, but it's not really foolproof. Sometimes you fall into the water, down a hole or there just isn't any space to run.

Weirdly, although TR4 really felt like it needed a guide, because of the interconnected stages, I didn't need to use any guides.

TR Chronicles is a downright mess. It's not a bad game at all, but it's so short, and sometimes so braindead that you'll think it's just scrapped levels from prior games. Well, in a sense, they are scrapped levels.

If you're playing on PC, I recommend getting the expansion packs, specifically for TR1 and 2. The only expansion level I didn't like was TR4's, where it's just a single, very easy level. It was promotional material for something, I think.

So disgusting. If I were to rip open Lara’s shirt, I’d wanna get black eyes from the milk silos that jump out at me like a snake in a can of nuts. Speaking of nuts, when I see the Tomb Raider movie I wanna cream my fuckin jeans so goddamn hard that my zipper pops open and sprays semen everywhere, the fly acting like a thumb at the end of a garden hose. I wanna close my eyes and pump out milky loads all over myself, relishing in the thick, sticky cum splattered across my face and arms. But noooo, those fucking BITCH BLUE HAIR SJW’s RUIN EVERYTHING

>>5613462
google does nothing

>>5613423
>I started TLR, but I was pretty burned out by that point.
Yeah, it's not a good idea to marathon them, happened to me too.

>>5611118
>Also Lara is the best girl ever.
This.
nuLara is shit.

>>5613992
And she didn't even fight a dinosaur. Lame.

>>5613730
Cmon mang.

>>5613462
>>5613730
>>5614962
I laughed way too much at this.

>Tomb Raider 13 sold good\
>Rise of the Tomb Raider sold okay
>Shadow of the Tomb Raider sold like shit
>The nuRaider movie flopped
So...does this mean we'll get old Lara back? Or a new design based of off her? Surely Square realizes that no one really wants nuLara anymore.

>>5615767
Not how corporatism works
If progressivness didn't work out means it was not progressive enough and progressivness should be doubled.

nunuLara would be explicitly lesbian.

>>5615767
They will probably shelve the franchise and that would be it - similarly to Deus Ex and Thief. Fans don't want nuLara and it doean't sell, SJWs and journos call old Lara "sexist" and they can really fuck up your day if pissed off. So Square doesn't know what to do with the franchise.

>>5615767
It's what the other anon said - they are going to simply shelve it indefinitevely.
The whole point of Eidos buy-out by Squenix was to gain their library. They've used said library to profit on established brands (which is the only thing Squenix can do as a company) and each time given brand stopped being a cash cow, they've simply shelved it. In case of Thief it took just one game, in case of TR it took three. If Rise would sell slightly worse than it did, they would end up the reboot at 2 games, so at least now all the shit from reboot is wrapped up with three games.
And the reboots for Eidos titles are important here, because this is how you alter copyrights into your favour - not just making a sequel, but changing the "source material" into your own. They can now legally claim that TR is theirs and always was theirs. So good luck pulling something like IO Interactive did with Hitman (breaking out and going on their own before Squenix enforced reboot on them), because now it's literally impossible to get the copyrights from Squenix unless they decide to sell them for some exorbant sum.

>>5615825
>Being this fucking stupid

>>5616417
Damn, being a property of Squenix is worse than death.

>>5613992
Kill yourself
>>5615767
Nope, you'll never get old Lara back.
Meanwhile, a new NuLara game is in development. Seethe more.

>>5619548
>a new NuLara game is in development
Proofs?

>>5619548
The franchise got officially canned 3 months ago. Try harder, zoomer

>>5619548
Not sure which one of you is more deluded: a guy genuinely still awaiting Core Lara 17 years in or an idiot implying a bomb like Shadow (with Squenix being very busy pretending it never even existed) is getting a sequel.

>>5619548
>Kill yourself
you are the kys reatard who has an emotional meltdown every time someone point to the fact that nulara is shit
>kyskyskyskyskys
pathetic
>Meanwhile, a new NuLara game is in development. Seethe more.
this is just your imagination going wild. Proofs or fuck off to tombraiderforums where you belong

>>5619664
>got canned
>they're working on a Definitive Edition for Shadow and a Croft Manor DLC
Based retarded 50 year old.
>>5619679
The devs themselves said there's more to come.
>>5619791
Kill yourself and also stay the fuck here and stop shitposting my threads, you seething nigger.

>>5617619
I know. I am a Thief fan.

Dont worry guys. Animo is making a Lara game.

>>5620286
Who?

>>5611242
We lost and gained like all things. This can applied to tons of old games.
I really dislike some aspects of the primitive controls and jankiness, but love the primitive shit like pure exploration.

Games play themselves today with how careful they are with holding the player. You cant even fail jumps, and one of the most fun things I remember from playing classic lara was thinking " can I make that jump?".

Trying and failing, and sometimes succeeding and even breaking some maps.

>>5620123
>Existing game is getting re-release due to contractual obligations
>Franchise is still canned and no plans for next game are even sketched, due to poor sales
You were saying something about being retarded, didn't you?
And different anon, but which devs, you fucking idiot? Crystal is discontinued from future TR projects on their own decision, while their replacement, Eidos Montreal, was so far proven to be bunch of lying cheats, being caught on claiming shit twice already. Like their "working on new game" turned out to "working on a DLC, but we love to brag".
I would suggest learning how this business works before you start shitting your pants about next games being made, because a Codemonkey Nobody said he's working on something big.

>>5620123
Seething zoomer.

>>5611047
Yes but the open world aspect makes the game slow as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>5620123

Why would you want more of this?

They have removed every single shred of fun form the games. Even the sexiness.

>>5620407
Because new good old bad.

>>5620412

I want to see "spin-off" Lara in the main series.

Well the way I see it with IP laws. If people are really passionate just make their own spiritual successor with enough differences.

A new brunette with dick sucking lips cant be hard to make.

>>5620434
I strongly suggest learning how actual IP law works and then you can thank to Disney Company for that.
Said that, if you would go Core Lara route, you would be less likely to get called on copyright infringement than for touching LAU or nuLara. And as long as you aren't doing it for profit, anything goes, really. But who is going to put out an actual game out of charity, so go figure that too

>>5620454
I know any of my own country much less others.
But maybe it will become so unbearable people make variations.
Good games with females leads are scarce now and modern ones are all afraid of sexiness and feel neutered. saying this in the case of a game that sells itself by sex appeal of the MC and platforming.

Well if mid tier devs ever return to gaming, there is a whole lot of possible platformers, action adventure games with girls that can be made from shit like heavy metal magazine covers.

There was parts in Haydee for example that reminded me of Lara, the no hand holding jumps that you could fail, puzzles etc.

>>5620429
Me too.
I also wouldn't mind some mesh between nu-Lara and CORE Lara in the next games. She can still be nice and social like nu-Lara, while badass and a daredevil like the CORE Lara. There must be some middle ground here.

>>5620471
I honestly never fucking cared about her personality.
She was a just there to play the game. All I need is a voluptuous appearance and we are set.

And I like good stories and characters. But Tomb Raider for me, at least the classics, are the first prince of Persia 3D experiment, in which you need the bare bones to make it work. Unlike nulara being bootleg uncharted.

>>5620471
>She can still be nice and social like nu-Lara, while badass and a daredevil like the CORE Lara.
That's literally LAU Lara.

>>5620482
Yeah, and they should've stuck with her. She was fine. Instead we've gotten Katniss Everdeen only even more lame.

>>5620470
>aying this in the case of a game that sells itself by sex appeal of the MC and platforming.
So basically Haydee, which you brough up yourself
>Well if mid tier devs ever return to gaming
Hahahahahahahaha... My sides are flying. That shit is not going to return. Just not gonna happen, unless we are talking passion projects and early KS stuff. Which isn't mid-tier anyway.

>>5620471
>She can still be nice and social like nu-Lara
>nu-Lara
>nice
>social

>>5620491
And are you surprised by that turn of events? I mean TR'13 was literally targetted at Hunger Games crowd, but before it was released, said crowd already dispersed. Yet they've remained stuck with the concept of selling to said crowd next two games, with progressively worse results, since, duh, no crowd to sell existed.

>>5620498
But she's a literal goody two-shoes with all those errands in the last game.

>>5620470
>modern ones are all afraid of sexiness and feel neutered
People are just tired of developers using cheap pandering to sell shit games. If a female lead character isn't a scantily clad supermodel, then faggots like you cry censorship and hyper feminism. No one cares about your shit opinions anymore. And quite frankly, I didn't care for this kind of shit when I was growing up with retro games either. I mean, it was fine that Lara was a big boobed bimbo because that wasn't the sole focus of the game, and the games were actually pretty damn good. But then the marketing department took over and tried to sell the franchise through sex appeal alone, and they really fucked up by doing this. So it's perfectly understandable for Square Enix to want to shy away from that kind of character design and marketing. We don't need another AoD or Chronicles.

>>5620540
... and anti-social jerk on top of it in general.

>>5620548
Not him and playing devil's advocate here (since I agree, Core games sold and maintained relevance on being good, not on sex appeal). But still, nuLara is the bad extreme in the other direction. They shy so much from any sort of accusation of making her an object or just plain play-up the fact she's attractive, along with sellign the game as "girl next door's globetrotting adventures" that ultimately pays disservice to those games. Because you either sell them as "girl next door" or you fucking have someone that can afford all that shit and going to places, along with getting more shallow as a character the more they try to add depth.

>>5620493
There are a couple of mid tier people appearing out there.

>>5620548
>If a female lead character isn't a scantily clad supermodel
I specifically said earlier there is space for everything anon, I didnt even mention feminism. Dont be dense.

>>5620548
to add
Just like they wanted to make Garrett in Thief batman?

I must be immediately be one of those alt righters.

>>5620579
... such as?
No, go on, name me mid-tier companies out there. Let's all have a healthy laugh

>>5620584
What do you mean by "wanted to make"? They fucking DID make him a god-damn Batman. Which was downright insulting.

>>5620589

Tons of euro jank studios. They might not go anywhere, but with stuff like that Plague game is a good direction regardless if you or I like the game.

Spiders devs, the guys form Vampyr, polish studios, I might be wrong but I think mid tier will come back in a way as more triple A go multiplayer.

>>5620595
Thats what I meant. The redesign of both nuLara and nuGarrett are almost on the same level of crap. Although I did like Jensen. What a shame.

>>5620602
I'm not sure you understand the concept of "mid-tier" studio, anon. Pro tip - nothing of what you've listed qualifies, they are all pretty big.
Want mid-tier studio? Then we are talking about guys like Logic Artists and their kind of weight league.
Aka extinct and relic of times long gone, further put out of misery one after another ever since KS lost momentum.

I gotta ask, how’d you guys beat TR 3 and 4 when they first came out? Strategy guide?

>>5620617
I asked a friend to get through High Security Compund and all of London for me in TR3.
Then we played together through TR4 ever since we both hit the same issues at Karnak temple complex (we didn't even realise the levels were inter-connected and got confused). So it was a lot of trial and error and random tips from the internet (we couldn't find any kind of walkthrough, just tips)

>>5620614
I am amazed you didn't tell me to kill myself. Or seethe or wtv the fuck.
Well have fun with nulara.

>>5620639
Why would I tell you that? And nuLara is thankfully dead. I didin't even bother with the latest one, since Rise burned all my good will. I even finished AoD upon release, just to give some perspective how nuLara games turned me away

>>5620673
Fuck even the names of the games are cringe.

I like AoD.
It's even my favourite tr.

>>5620678
I find it deeply ironic how predictable they were, along with the obvious from the start canning/rebooting once they are "done" with doing overly long origin story for Lara than nobody even asked for.
Hey, remember when it was Cambodia in the middle of civil war and a little British girl roaming around with a German archeologist in one of the biggest minefields ever created and none of it being part of the game, just fun exploration of famous ruins? Those were the fun times. Rather than literally wallowing through shit and mud with open gut wounds to make it "more real", while repeating like a mantra "I can do this"

>>5610281
Play the ngage version, its the only true way to play tr1, tr1 and 2 on zodiac are also acceptable.

>>5620617
Determination.
I was very young, very persistent and had a lot of time on my hands.
Also, some asshole told me that you'll see Lara naked after collecting all secrets in TR3. You have no idea how motivated I was to beat the game.

>>5621827
I guess either large number of players were weirdos back in the day or I was the weird one. Since I never understood the whole "you will get naked Lara if X" stuff. I mean how's that important to anything or looking good given the game graphics, even for contemporary standards.

>>5620673
>And nuLara is thankfully dead
no she ain't

>>5620412
Nope, more like old good new good.

>>5619679
>genuinely still awaiting Core Lara 17 years
Like it or hate it, she was the only iteration of Lara that was very successful both with sales and popular culture. Plus, I believe I stated "a design based off of her" i.e. not exactly the same.

>>5621827
>>5621994
In the WAD file for Tomb Raider 1, there's a nipple texture. So I'm guessing at one point there WAS a nude "code" (but it was only in developer builds as a joke or something a dev put in because he was bored one afternoon), and never any commercial release of the game. All it would take is for a developer to offhandedly say that such a code existed without mentioning any specifics, that person tells another person, and eventually it became an urban myth.

>>5621994
Most of us playing TR games were horny teenages during the times where you didn't have quick access to boobies in the internet. So you would take what was given to you.

>>5620717
I respect that. Don't agree, but I can see why some might like this game.

>>5620717
AoD it's not the best TR, but i hate the stupid meme "uuuuuuuurrrrrrh, it's the worst game eveeeeeeerrrrrr"
It's was always a decent game, with a top tier atmosphere.
https://youtu.be/3oqktia7NLI

I'd say nu-lara went from a 6 with the first to a 7.5 with the last game, getting rid of things that made the first a chore, and sticking more to atmosphere and delivering a story at a quick pace.
I enjoyed all nu-Lara so far, I'm still lightly irritated when remembering the original series and even the many games that I've actually all liked, even AoD, but they're still good fun.

My little sister and girlfriend both love nu-lara which is great to see, my little sister even finished all 3 and then went to some fantasy fair dressed up as nu-lara which was fun to see. I guess I'm just happy they're keeping such an old franchise from dying, maybe eventually we'll get something that is made for us salty /vr/ boomers.

>>5622252
This, people don't realize that when we played Tomb Raider, we couldn't really sit behind a computer and jack off to porn whenever we wanted, watching a big breasted Lara Croft run around in short khaki hotpants was as much action as most of us were getting. Tomb Raider was never about objectification, not were these old games ever, horny men would just buy your shit only to possibly get a glimpse at some nudity, which is why the comics sold really well for doing exactly that.

I feel betrayed with nu-lara that they refuse to even recognize this, I don't need big boobied and lots of suggestive moaning, but we can at least recognize that Lara Croft used to be one of the sexiest video game characters to a lot of us.

>>5610281
Just beware that some parts of the classic Tomb Raiders can become a long boring slog, with moments of genius in between. The vehicle driving parts are particularly bad. There's also a known bug in TR3 where if you complete one of the Antarctic levels while holding the accelerator down on the vehicle the textures on the next level will screw up. So make sure you have a save beforehand.

>>5622232
I'm not sure you understand my point. I have nothing against Core Lara and TR4 was the peak of the franchise.
But it doesn't change a fact waiting for that Lara to be back or having more games is deluded, if not demented. And if you don't go directly for Core style, then you end up with LAU, both Lara- and gameplay-wise

>>5622252
>>5622307
So you are saying you had serious sexuality issues as teens and were jacking off to a game? M'kay, no more questions...

>>5622307
>watching a big breasted Lara Croft run around in short khaki hotpants was as much action as most of us were getting

Speak for yourself, Anon. Your lack of social progress isn't an excuse for developers shoehorning fanservice into these games. Not everybody wants overt sexuality forced into literally every aspect of their hobbies or daily lives.

Turn off your computer, go outside and get some real human interaction for a change.

>>5623015
That's a lot of words for what pretty much amounts to "have sex".

>>5622994
>So you are saying you had serious sexuality issues as teens and were jacking off to a game?
As if you haven't at some point. Don't play coy with me here.

>>5620281
I bought the reboot for £2 just to see how bad it was; I payed way too much.

>>5623039
I haven't. And I don't know in person anyone who ever did, either.

>>5623036
He didn't suggest getting laid, instead he suggested human interaction. But apparently sex is what you desperately want anyway.

>>5610305
TR1 has only several plot-specific enemies, which you engage strictly in self-defence, and which are framed like a fairly big deal in the context of the game. TR2 goes completely cross to that attitude.

>>5623160
>>5623165
Cringe and bluepilled

In a way, Tomb Raider 1 only had one true successor. And it's not even Galleon. It's Mirror's Edge 1.

>>5623036
>That's a lot of words for what pretty much amounts to "have sex".

That's not what I'm saying at all. Media fanservice and pixelated body parts is no substitute for real human interaction and the complexities of social relationships. You think these developers are doing you some kind of favor by including this sort of content, but they're not. You sound like you're just too damn lazy to put any effort into connecting with other people, so you turn to cheap thrills instead.

Unless you're a schizoid or bound to a wheelchair by a debilitating physical condition, then go outside and meet someone.

Now come here so I can shit into your mouth.

>>5623184
>>>/r9k/

>>5623329
When did this conversation went from "I liked to watch pixel boobies when I was a stupid teenage kid" to "I am totally socially incapable of meeting nice people, so I jack off to Lara Croft"?
It feels like someone is projecting here. Or putting words that nobody ever said into their mouths.

>>5623329
Real people can't compete with Lara though.

>>5620548
Only feminist scum are. I want my big boobed woman with dick sucking lips raid our tombs.

>>5623015
fuck off normie scum

TR2 is more like their take on Indiana Jones, but instead of Jones shootan Nazi scum, it's Lara shooting cultists.

It's fine. TR2 was my first foray into the series and it didn't detract from then playing TR1 aside from 1 being slower paced. (Things not shooting back at you)

>>5615130
I laughed at the bizarre nipples wtf

>>5624047
>>5624051
People like you are the reason why I'm given shit ever since, just because we both play vidya and somehow this connects me with subhuman like you.

>>5624060
TR2 issues isn't about lots of combat (TR3 has even more), it's in Venice, Oil Rig and Maria Doria levels. The game doesn't really get good until you hit Tibet, which is mid-game mark.

In TR1, find elevation to deal with enemies. Most can't climb and don't have hitscan attacks. Using back/side jumps to evade attacks works too but it's less safe and you can still get caught occasionally. In 2 you want to move in close and keep rolling while shooting to force the goons to constantly reposition. If you don't do this every encounter will be a DPS race. 1-4 are fantastic, you're in for a good time. IMO 2 is the worst of the four due to gimmick levels, tons of hitscan enemies, barely any tombs and too much action instead of puzzles.

>>5624975
soiboi got triggered

steam or emulator?

>>5625647
GOG. Or Polish Ultimate Edition.
There should be links somewhere.

>>5625337
>IMO 2 is the worst of the four due to ... barely any tombs
When's the last time you played? The levels are literally mostly tombs, caverns and temples. There's very little in the way of urban landscape.

It was a big deal when the game first came out, because people who had mastered the original TR were excited about taking some of the action into modern architecture. But that doesn't even account for half of the game's content.

When was TR2 is bad meme started?

>>5626110
Nobody ever said TR2 is bad.
But people throw legitimate complains against first half of the game, the Venice-Ocean-Wreck part of the game (especially the fucking oil rig part of it). For quick comparison - have you ever met anyone who complains about the second half of the game?

>>5625704
Here:
>>5487316
>>5487371

>>5625539
>If you aren't socially inept wizard, you are instantly onions
M'kay

>>5610296
>has aged
Video games don't age.

>>5626203
>Common mistakes /vr/ makes: 101
TR1 managed to be aged by the time TR3 was released.

>>5610294
Shooting humans? that made it all the more fun if you ask me. Made me fall in love with the Lara character more. Just bidding time and hoping I can get her as a digital collectible thanks to the ECOMI team.

>>5626209
That's a cheap cop-out excuse for when a game has inherent problems.

>>5626295
...?
You sure you replied to the right post?

>>5626203
Retard

>>5620617
The hard way, pure elbow grease. 20 years ago I had no internet access, and no guides were being sold here in my irrelevant country, it was all done trough trial and error, hours upon hours of tedious experimentation. You know, the standard procedure for the 1990's internet-starved kids. Many hours of fun were had, at least.

>>5626072
I played it last month. The great wall is a tomb, the temple of xian is a tomb, and catacombs of the talion/ice palace too. The rest are not. Venice isn't, the opera house isn't, the water levels aren't (rigs and sunken ships are not tombs), and most of the tibet areas are either monasteries or outdoor snowmobile shenanigans. TR3 has this problem to a lesser extent but at least you're usually progressing towards tombs in each area you visit.

>>5626125
10 of the 17 TR2 levels take place in either modern or occupied manmade structures. I specifically remember on my first playthrough around 2000 being hyped getting past the water levels and into tibet, only to get stuck with a gimmick snowmobile level as the introduction. Then you move to the monastery which again is a gimmick level. The last five levels of the game are great but it's not half. It's not even 1/3rd. IMO only the great wall and the xian temple levels are great.

>>5610281
1 is the most enjoyable, 2 is good, 3 is a nightmare. 4 I've played once, too generic at that point.

>>5620617
We didn't it, I gave up on the series after playing the first level of TR3 and beat it 12 years later.

>>5620617
Trial and error. 3 was harder than 4, but there was one point in 4 that I got stuck and needed to backtrack and scour multiple levels to find what I needed. It wasn't a problem though, I love games that don't hold your hand. 3 was only difficult because I played on PS1 and had limited saves. I'd sometimes die and need to replay 45 minutes of a level.

>>5628231
For me the Tibet levels felt almost cathartic after the horrible mess that was oil rig and wreck of Maria Doria

>>5628678
>Do I fit in already, /vr/?

>>5629126
The Deck was the only badly designed water level IMO- I had to climb back up to the top way too many times on my first playthrough. I got sick of the tileset by the end, but overall I think the level design is better than Tibet. I just think it's a shame that there are six long water levels back to back. There's nothing exactly wrong with the water areas other than the repetition, the deck's one-way layout and maybe the start of 40 fathoms.

>>5626130
upvoted

>>5629168
Oh, the deck had that shitty mandatory drop onto the boat that forces you to lose 80% of your health too. Really shitty for no medikit runs.

>>5630132
>Really shitty for no medikit runs.
At least they had the decency to put a large medkit next to it

>>5631236
That's the thing. For someone who isn't doing a no-medikit run it's a completely pointless section. It's designed purely to screw over challenge runs through laziness/shortsightedness. They could've just made the ceiling dip down a little further so the drop isn't quite as extreme. Fall damage spikes quickly for even a single block's height.

>>5631245
Anon, nobody forces you to be a retard that is pushing for the "git gud" meme and stupid challenges. It's solely on you. So you literally have no right to bitch about your fantasy challenge being impossible as "bad game design", because the game was never organised around your challenge to begin with.

>>5631245
I think they thought that game was already hard enough with medkits and all these autistic challenges became a thing only later.

>>5631350
The stopwatch in Lara's inventory has a "medikit used" counter shown as a numerical value (small is 0.5, large is 1.0). It also has a timer that counts up in realtime including seconds. They were fully aware of these kind of runs, as they were popular back in the original along with beating the game pistol only.

>>5610281
Are there any mods or fan levels for these games?

>>5631559
The end of the game has a results screen that displays how many health packs you used. I remember a magazine at the time, might be the official ps1 mag, had a competition that asked readers to send in a photo of their results screen showing no healing used. This was pretty soon after release, before 3 came out.

>>5631685
trle.net

>>5631695
What are some good ones? Any recommendations?

>>5614962
das dat ole shit awww yissss

>>5626135
It's true 95% of the time. May as well bet on easy money.

>>5631695
I want her tits back, bros... it's not fair.

>>5631680
>>5631689
>If I will imply long enough utter bullshit, I will convince someone
So far you managed to convinced yourself. I wonder what an autistic idiot like you would do if the game had % of aiming. Shot only from point-blank and while stationary to have magic 100% number that nobody gives a fuck about?
Go see a doctor. Mild autism can be treated

>>5631732
Literally anything with rating of 9 and above is god-tier.
Anything above 8.5 is great.
8+ if you aren't picky.
You can pick any of those levels blindly, based solely on the rating

>>5631780
So you've lost. Now give money.

>>5624975
>it's in Venice, Oil Rig and Maria Doria levels
>best levels are bad for me
Shitty taste my son

>>5631915
>Being this much of a contrarian

>thread about games with the most beautiful girl ever
>barely any pics

>>5632314
This was one of the first games I played as a kid and I never developed any sexual attraction for Lara for some reason. She’s more of a mommy.

>>5632314
I want to lick all the sweat up while she calls me a disgusting freak.

>>5632314
most of us would prefer you take your waifu perversion shit back to /v/ or /vg/

>>5632314
>muh pixelated faps

Have sex

>>5631915
I don't think he meant specific levels, rather the sections of the game as such. Personally, I fucking loath the oil rig levels and the wreckage is extremely uneven in terms of design

>>5632658
>>muh pixelated faps
>Have sex
Leave the board, retard. I swear you are like that keep repeating ad nauseam the "funny word" they learnet the day before.
also, provide some, or stfu

>>5634749
>Leave the board
You first. No one cares about you autistic waifushit. We came here to discuss retro TR games, then you dropped in out of nowhere and demanded the thread should cater to your teenage fantasies instead. This site already has plenty of boards for that kind of content, and /vr/ isn't one of them.

the only TR game I have played is Legend
is it really worth going back to the originals with their tanky controls?
TR Legend felt so smooth, even on that chunky OG xbox controller

>>5634904
You should try the last revelation at least.
>>5634835
The only autistic person here is you, god forbid to post images on an imageboard.

>>5634904
If you feel uneasy about controls, then start from TR3 and above. TR1 and 2 had a very limited control scheme and lacked some "obvious" moves, so they feel even weirder for newcomers.
If you don't mind the controls, then you should play them all

>>5634749
>>5634835
>>5634927
Both of you need to grow the fuck up or get back to /v/

>>5634904
Yes, definately. Tank controls being what they are they may take a while to get used to, but once you get a hang of it you'll appreciate how tight and precise the controls are. And CORE TR games are legit fun even after this much time. There is a sense of epic adventure to them. They are difficult, but there is a sense of accomplishment after you beat the level - which IMO Legend lacks.

Also, what's wrong in liking Lara both as a character and as an eye-candy? This "stop having fun, you guys" approach is getting tiresome.
I would've posted some cute Lara pics, but I've burned through them all in previous threads.

>>5634904
Let me put it this way - those games still hold up as challenging and exciting stuff to play. The controls do take a while to master, especially if you never experienced them back in the day and always just played WSAD+mouse controls. But like of the anons pointed out, the controls are also super-precise and once you get them, this leads to having tonnes of fun.

>>5634951
Different anon, but I think it's the classic case of two retarded extremes meeting together. On one hand, you have people that are for 20+ yo fap material and nothing else. On the other you have those "super serious very adult" people who will shit on anyone trying any sort of escapism out of anything (while we're talking TR, out of all things). Get them together, prepare some popcorn and just watch as things start to fly.

>>5628105
Yeah, I guess the game loses quite a lot of charm when using a walkthrough. I used a walkthrough to find all the secrets in TR2, up until I realized that I am not really having fun with the game. I guess trying to figure out your own path has it's own merits. And not so long ago I've beaten TR1 for the first time without an online guide - mostly because I had no internet connection whatsoever, with me moving to a new house and all that and had a time of my life trying to figure out what the fuck the game wants me to do now.

I lack the will to play vidya and it hurts
but I like Lara's games
shame the movies are poo

>>5635227
C'mon, Angelina Jolie movie was the shit. It wasn't exactly Indiana Jones, but you can tell that both Jolie and Craig were having a ball.

>>5615767
None of that has anything to do with /vr/. None of the games mentioned are /vr/, and no new game would be /vr/.

>>5635234
EVERYONE was having a ball with the first one.

>>5610294
>skip TR3
Faggot alert

>>5635234
Plus Ian Glen

>>5635227
First one was the shit. Cradle of Life took itself way too serious, which was a mistake

>>5636023
F AJ's diddies

>>5611047
Core's best.

>>5637524
No tiddies, no sanity. Shame

>>5635281
Fuck off, this board is the only place to discuss anything Tomb Raider without having obnoxious zoomers start talking about how much they yank their monkeys to Lara getting fucked by animals.

>>5610294
Came here to say this. TRII is alright but the original and Revelations are by far the best of the Core developed Tomb Raider games.

>>5640425
>Let me bring shit that is the main topic and draw-bait for zoomers to a board without zoomers
>While doing so, let's also violate one of the core rules of entire board toward posted content
>What could possibly go wrong

What's your favourite TR comics issue?

>>5610294
>skip TR3
Pleb detected.

>>5610281

>playing stupid big titty game with tank controls
>2019

>>5642145
>Not knowing actual game content
>Still bitching about it
Yeah, definitely 2019

>>5641985
I have all of them on my shelf as a part of Tomb Raider Archives, so I don't have to choose.
Those 4 volumes cost me half of my Eastern European salary.

Still, I guess I like the Medusa one.

>>5642435
Yep, Andy Park is unparalleled when it comes to depicting Lara.
Why are prices so different for different volumes though?

>>5619679
old Crystal Dynamics Lara was great and faithful to the original's

NuLara isn't even the same character. She's not from aristocratic background iirc.

>>5642494
No idea. That's kinda ridiculous price spread. All volumes costed the same in my comicbook store.
Availability, maybe?

>>5642575
>Availability, maybe?
Yep, you're probably right. But why 3rd issue is cheaper than the second? Did people lose interest midway the series?

>>5642568
She does still live in a mansion in the most recent three Crystal Dynamics games.

>>5642568
>>5643121
You guys better to sit.

>>5643159
I mean I don’t know about all that but I’m going by her mansion that you explore in the bonus content for Rise of the Tomb Raider.

>>5642560

>>5643159
>this pic

Reminder guys, have sex.

What a fucking freak show.

>>5643342
What does having sex have to do with it

>>5643204
Not sure that's how that snarky comment works...

>>5643204
>>5643554
I think it wasn't snarky and there's a good chance that "lau/lara croft and .." Lara will get back.

>>5643543
Because people responsible for that shitfest clearly didn't. And this is the resutl

>>5640425
>FUCK OFF I DON'T CARE IF IT'S AGAINST THE RULES, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS
Combine that with that thread of people talking about how they come to /vr/ not because they have an interest in retro games, but just because they view /v/ to be a shithole due to memespam, and then try to explain how a bunch of /v/irgins invading and acting like they are on /v/ will NOT turn /vr/ into /v/.
Literally retards going to drive a board into the ground just like their homeboard, just because they haven't realized THEY are the problem.

>>5643110
Maybe? Because while volumes 3 and 4 weren't as good and the first, those were still really fun.
This reminds me - I really need to re-read the comics again. Haven't read them in a while. There were some pretty nice issues - like the one when Lara dies and get trapped in Egyptian underworld or something like that. And writers were legitimately creative in justifying drawing Lara without clothes.

>>5645324
>And writers were legitimately creative in justifying drawing Lara without clothes
Nigga, we are talking TopCow here. They were ALWAYS creative about this stuff. And if they weren't, they had enough self-awarness to turn it around into a joke.

>>5610305
>>5610663
She's straight up a murderer in the original game concept art

If Lara was disowned, where did she get that big manor which she refers to as "home"?

>>5649818
Doesn't being disowned means you don't inherit, rather than being thrown out?

>>5649969
I have no clue about British laws, but I think it would be a logical thing to do.
Also it's 2 weeks already, thread is on autosage.

>>5650073
Not sure myself and on top of that I'm ESL, so go figure. But at least that's what disowning (in literal translation) means in my language - losing ability to inherit.
As for the mansion, nobody said it's her parent's or related with her crest. Could be just as well her own accquisition. She's rich one way or another.
Fuck this autosage system. It solved nothing, while bringing new problems

Bye Lara, 'til next time.
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