/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5623080
CRT shaders are getting pretty good. Once they figure out how to emulate pixel bleed in 4K and emulate refresh rates on faster monitors, we might get something better.

Otherwise, I use nothing.

>>5623090
>emulate refresh rates on faster monitors
Doesn't RetroArch support freesync for that purpose? Change refresh rate in real time so that it matches the platform?

>>5623080
I don't like the ones that try to replicate scan lines and CRTs but some of the more artsy ones can be fun.

>not emulating games on a CRT monitor and using a CRT filter on them

looks good for once, op
eb works well with filters though

>>5623080
what's the point of a barely noticeable crt filter

>>5623136
increases apparent resolution without inventing information.

I like CRT-Royale-256-composite for SNES. It looks pretty close to the real thing.

>>5623090
Isn't that already possible with shaders + reshade?

>>5623090
>emulate pixel bleed in 4K
CRT-Royale does this (see pic) unless I don't understand what you mean.

>>5623090
>>5623326
That's phosphor bleed. Phosphors are not pixels, and pixels do not map directly to them.

>>5623335
So what's pixel bleed and why would a CRT shader emulate it ?

>>5623350
idk, I was clarifying something for both posts. Maybe a distorted signal, like composite video, could be called pixel bleed?

>>5623326
I like pixels.

>>5623080
Depends on the filter, depends on the game, depends on your monitor, it just fuckin' depends. I use them, but I can't just tell people "yes, I use filters, you should to" because what works is different for everyone - and there's no reason anybody should have to get a proper filter set up if they don't want to.

>>5623115
>not using layers upon layers of crt filters until every part of the screen is covered by a scanline or dotmask, until you have a black screen

>>5623326
Royale looks fuckin' sexy but everything runs like shit when I use it.

>>5623735
Try briefly toggling fast-forward. That usually fixes it for me.

>>5623080
crt-pi shaders on Retropie are beautiful
curved ones.. Dont look good on my flat VGA monitor

>>5623747
I'm aware of that trick, but royale is the one thing it doesn't work with. I might just need a better GPU.

>>5623080
I use a combination of lottes and image adjustment and tweak them so it doesn't look shit.

>>5623735
What GPU are you using?

>>5623925
Integrated. Since I got my computer just to emulate shit and play Team Fortress 2 and Doom I didn't think I'd ever need a proper card. Guess I was wrong.

There's some decent ones like CRT Royale

>>5623930
Did you try the fake bloom variant of crtroyale? It's supposed to be way faster with barely noticeable visual difference.

The only things I let slide are resolution scalers, framerate improvements, or things like removing sprite limits.
I'm the kind of person that gets annoyed at LENS flare and motion blur being in games already, so when you start emulating imperfections of other physical things, I'm not happy with that either.

I understand the argument for the cases where the art was designed around some of this, but I find that to be the exception rather than the norm.

>>5624054
Experiments are cool too though. Forgot about that.

>>5624031
I'll have to look into that. Thank you.

>>5623080
if you sit a reasonable amount of distance away from your TV you don't need them at all and the image quality will reward you with a sharper and snappier picture.
filters look like smeared butter shit. back then we didn't have a fucking choice with CRT TVs so we had to take and accept things as they were.
this will get me a lot of (You)s considering on which board I'm posting but the picture quality of CRT TVs was utter dog shit compared to what we have now and yes I owned several Trinitrons (PC monitors as well as TVs)

>>5624290
Myopic and stupid. Hell of a combo.

>>5623080
I never use them on emulators, but occasionally try them with PC games with stuff like reshade. Even then I don't really use them. They're a fun novelty, but it wears off quick for me.

>>5624501
Almost no one had aperture grille computer monitors. Even Apple's were dot mask.

>>5623080
I don't like them, and emulate and play my own vidya without them.
Yeah, it "wasn't what the developers intended", but who gives a fuck about that?
I'm nearsighted and astigmatic, and being able to have a crystal clear image with no distortion or warping in image or color appeals a lot to me.
I don't want to look at a game and constantly feel like I'm not wearing my glasses, I already hate 3D screens and chromatic aberration effects.

>>5625158
It depends on the display, so on your end sharp pixels might look ok. Depending on how big the display is / high res / viewing distance it might look better or worse. Blurrying out the picture too much in order to make it look more "authentic" is not always the best approach.

The worst shit in my opinion is fake thick scanlines. I have a CRT TV I could stare at for a good period of time without noticing and yet there's a lot of CRT shaders with scanlines that will make me want to look away after a few minutes. And this is sitting considerably close to that CRT. I feel the effect is sometimes exaggerated and requires that you're watching that across the entire room. I don't even think playing on an HDTV it would look all that good either.

Without shaders

>>5625407
With CRT-Royale.

Notice:
1. The reflections on the text.
2. The texture on the inside of the shield.
3. The slight difference in skin tone.

>>5625410
Holy shit, the jail bars in this picture are absolutely stunning. I literally started clapping when I saw it.

>>5625410
God, CRT's are just beautiful. There's just nothing like the real thing.

The day will come when they make a hybrid of plasma/CRT screen that is affordable and gains a wide market.

>>5625410
crt-easymode-halation can look good too.

>>5623080
Since I'm not an oldfag, always try to use pixel blending / rounding and if, not possible, a simple blur. Ok, now You can curse me

>>5625138
I don't know if it's the common opinion but I always liked my dot mask displays more.

>>5625410
dot matrix emulation for the win

>>5625415
Try viewing it full size instead of non-integer scaled.

i don’t like the idea of trying to make one type of screen look like another. i just want the pure image sent to the screen. if I want the crt look that badly, I use a real crt

>>5626446
The whole point of "emulation" is putting something on a system it wasn't meant for. So what's the problem with "emulating" the TV that we all remember playing them on?

>>5623080
I don't care about them at all. I remember pressing my face against the TV as a kid and seeing the "pixels", but that's not how I remember my games looking like. My imagination made them look better than what my crappy TV could display.
At this point, I'm more interested in seeing the raw images the artists worked with.

>>5626751
I think there's anything wrong with it inherently, but shaders add another layer to the emulation. You're not only emulating the console, but now the display too.

It's just a matter of preference. To me, no matter how complex and "accurate" these crt shaders get they will always just be some cool novelty. I could never see myself playing through a whole game using them. If I really feel like the crt look is that important, I use a real CRT, otherwise I don't bother and don't use any filters.

I've got this Torrid Gristle shader, I'm liking how it looks. I don't know why I'm playing Ninja Kid, either.

i'm a weirdo who likes to use ntsc filters without scanlines.

>>5627507
What's the filter?

>>5627526
blargg's ntsc filter.

>>5627541
Thanks dog.